#chose this is as the 'equivalent' scene bcus to me that sort of made sense...

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"She was a ruthless woman who injured many, myself and my sainted mother included. She was quite capable of playing the King false, I promise you. My advice to you, Sister, is to forget you ever had a mother like that." Elizabeth caught the note of obsessive grievance in Mary's voice. She knew instinctively that it would be unwise to provoke her further by arguing with her. "Forgive me, Sister, but I had heard otherwise," she said simply. "Then you heard wrongly. She had me sent to wait upon you when you were a baby, and she told those that had charge of me to beat me for the little bastard I had become. How could you think such a one innocent?" "I am very sorry for your afflictions, Sister," Elizabeth whispered, aware more of the need to be diplomatic than of the desire to defend her mother. "They were not of my making, nor my desire." "How could you think her innocent?" "I heard things," she answered, then grew a touch defiant. "The whole world does not think my mother guilty."

The Lady Elizabeth [Chapter 8: 1544], Alison Weir

#chose this is as the 'equivalent' scene bcus to me that sort of made sense... #this scene did not really feel...earned? #and a lot of theirs didn't; really. #because elizabeth never really got her moment to counter #with: well. i was an infant when all that happened. what; realistically; do you think i could have done? #also for tudors week i never got around to doing the edit for my favorite tudor rivarly/siblings. i would have picked them #and also elizabeth's turnaround on AB in BE ; the turn from shame to tenderness was never properly...explained? #i wonder if there is a deleted scene somewhere. where someone spoke well of her. idk. given the script it seems unlikely #also 'little bastard' is odd specifically lol. that's what chapuys referred to elizabeth as. not anne towards mary (ac/cursed bastard. #it was specifically her maturity that was the threat. so...) #'younger even. when i was sent to serve you' honestly that scene is infuriating lol #im less a pendant on historical accuracy or 'authenticity' when there is #at least an emotional honesty to the scene but knowing the actual timeline makes it... #very clear that it's emotional manipulation in a way the actual text refused to recognise #maybe it would have by s2. idk! #i do love the acting in the scene tho. how elizabeth flinches from her and mary clings to her. gahhh #it's similar to the body language of theirs in the field #except then mary clings to her angrily