So I have a running interpretation of Mizi as having been quite sheltered as a result of her relatively comfortable life as a pet, hence her being a bit delusional in her and Sua's interview before Round 1 and her shock at Sua's death, despite the humans all knowing that the loser dies in Alien Stage.
Now I'm onto the implications that this has for the whole conga line of longing between Ivan, Till, and Mizi:
The fucking tragedy of Till falling in love with the one person who didn't have a reason to escape or intervene.
Mizi had a good life and was never exposed to the same pain and suffering the others had known.
Sua is implied to have had a pretty empty life as a pet, being treated as an object by her owners, and being very emotionally withdrawn as a result. However, she also didn't have the drive to leave, as the one person she cared about seemed so happy here, and Mizi's dreams were all about singing together and fulfilling the wishes of their owners.
Ivan had known suffering before being taken in by his owner, and even though his life was relatively good as a pet, he still knew how precarious that position was, and besides he had to watch Till be horribly mistreated by his owner. He had enough reason to want to get out of there.
But Till loved and wouldn't leave Mizi, THE ONE PERSON WHO WOULD NEVER LEAVE. So he didn't go with Ivan when they had a chance to escape, he stayed. And Ivan stayed too, because he wouldn't leave Till.
And by extension: the tragedy of SUA falling in love with someone who had no reason to leave, and Mizi falling in love with someone who couldn't see past the world they were trapped in.
Following this interpretation, this is one angle to Ivan's judgement of Sua that I'm stuck on.
Ivan TRIED to break Till out so the person he loved wouldn't have to suffer anymore.
Meanwhile, the best Sua could come up with was following the path laid out by their alien owners, and then dying instead of Mizi.
Sua only aimed as high as the best outcome that their society could allow them, while Ivan was willing to deviate entirely. The only thing that stopped him was Till running back to Mizi.
He could be thinking "the person you love would have followed you anywhere, and the best you could do is die? You couldn't imagine a future with both of you alive and happy? You had everything I ever wanted, and you threw it away."
For their profiles, I like to imagine them as information the aliens give out to the public to get to know them for marketing and such. So that means they were interviewed before hand about themselves, and some alien had to write it all down, which given their answers I can only imagine how that went.
Alien: "So what do you dislike - "
Till: "A l i e n s."
Alien: "Um."
Till: "I hate them all."
Alien: "Uh, okay, so this is supposed to endear yourself to the audience so maybe you shouldn't - "
Till: "Especially Urak; ugh, I can't stand him! I fantasize about killing him everyday; I wish he'd just choke on the air he doesn't even deserve to breathe!"
Alien: *tries not to look at Urak, who brought Till here and is literally standing right there*
Alien: "Sorry, you said you like...toothbrushes?"
Mizi: "Yup! 🥰"
Alien: "...why?"
Mizi: "What do you mean? Because they clean my teeth?"
Alien: "Well, it's just that's not very personal."
Mizi, completely sincere: "Brushing teeth is a personal activity though? Does someone else brush your teeth?"
Alien: *just moves on*
Alien: "Oh! You dislike rudeness?"
Ivan: "Yes?"
Alien: "Sorry, it's just that your file says you follow around that other boy, Till?"
Ivan: "Uh huh?"
Alien: "Well, his file doesn't exactly make him seem all that polite."
Ivan:
Alien:
Ivan:
Alien: "Uh, well anyway - "
Alien: "So what do you dislike?"
Hyuna: "Hmm, nothing really. I'm pretty chill with most anything!"
Alien: "Alright. Well, Luka is coming in after you so - "
Hyuna, gags a little in disgust: "UGH. 😡"
Alien: "????"
Alien: "So, what do you like?"
Luka:
Alien: "Uh, what do you dislike?"
Luka:
Alien: "...Any talents?
Luka, immediately: "The splits."
Alien, happy to finally have someone with normal answers: "Oh, you didn't really mention much about what you dislike; what would that be?"
Sua: "Oh, I'd have to say strangers."
Alien: *a stranger, and is now trying to figure out if that was a dis or not*
Ivan is perfectly capable of being likeable on a surface level. Their teacher says that he gets along with the other kids and is polite to superiors, and his graduation messages indicate he was well liked by his peers.
It's been pointed out before that it's hilarious that Ivan seemingly only behaved in an unhinged way with Till, and how jarring it must have been for everyone around them to see Ivan go from 0-1000 whenever Till was around.
Ivan was observant and KNEW how to endear himself to others. He could have chosen to put on whatever mask was needed to have Till's attention.
He loved Till for being strong and resilient, and seemed to enjoy Till's extreme reactions to things. Till is described as the most sensitive of the group, and he doesn't seem to change who he is for anyone. Ivan loved Till's authentic self.
Did he let the mask drop entirely around Till, because Till was the only person he was interested in having a genuine connection with? Did loving Till, who was never anything but himself, inspire Ivan to be honest?
Is that another tragedy of Ivan? That he truly loved someone enough to be his flawed, weird little self in front of them, and was not loved back?
once again straight yappin so Ivan stayed at the 'cafeteria' just to blatantly stare at Till while he ate that plain white rice for 30 minutes not even bothering to be a little more normal and take up that very empty seat next to Till (that was probably there because he's the only person that sits next to till unironically) what other weird shit does this guy do
Musing out loud in your inbox, so pay me no mind, but I really think that Ivan's primary emotion in round 6 wasn't love, but resentment. Something along the lines of, "My life never mattered to you, so my death shouldn't matter to you either, even though this means so much to me." His first, final, and only "fuck you, dude," the kind you can only give to someone you genuinely care for. Ivan has always been waiting on the sidelines and behind-the-scenes to everything in his own life, passively observing it all, and I think round 6 was meant to be him finally taking active control of his own life, doing something just for him, selfishly, no matter the cost or consequence. So, the first emotion he blatantly expresses in the round is resentment, and then he is shot, and only then does he get his light back as if "oh, no, the love is still there, it didn't go anywhere." And then he smiles.
his first, final, and only "fuck you, dude" 😭
This interpretation is really interesting in the way that it hit me in the chest with how I kind of related to it (no context).
I think the "my life didn't matter to you, so my death shouldn't, either" sentiment was very present in Ivan's mind during that moment. Viewing this scene as one fueled by that specific flavor of resentment is actually one of the most unique interpretations I've heard so far. Not sure that I agree with it, but I resonate with it in some weird personal way. In Ivan's situation, certainly the feelings of resentment would be there. We're only human, after all. Some people can't help but feel it deep inside. I don't think his resentment overpowered his love, though.
"the love is still there, it didn't go anywhere." what if i shriveled like a raisin