#So you don't know when JOC are actually uncomfortable and a lime is being crossed

[bijoumikhawal]

People discussing Israel's racist policies and Israel's policy of fucking over non Rabbinic communities and fucking up the transmission of diaspora cultures (such as the teaching of languages) is not the time to go "we don't need gentiles in our intracommunity politics". Foundational to Israel is "maintaining a Jewish majority". These communities are attacked in lathe part because they are seen as not being as Jewish as White, Ashkie, Western European Jews (with respect to how Eastern European Jews are also often mistreated), or their Judaism is otherwise seen as deficient. The maintenance of this majority is also why Palestinians generally, cannot really get an Israeli citizenship, even if they wanted to, and sometimes even if they can prove they are of Jewish descent. "Who is a Jew and what is a Jewish culture" is a constructed boundary: for the past 70 odd years it has been a boundary used for violence. If you want anti-zionists to have politics informed by the needs of Jews, they must be party to these discussions.

#cipher talk #Also seeing a post like 'talking about racism in Israel feels bad bc it casts Ashkenazim as evil elites imo' #(Person saying this WAS white AFAIK and that's very funny given not all Ashkenazim are white- and most posts I've seen #Are made by Jews or POC focusing on whiteness more than 'Ashkienormativity') #Then seeing a post like 'I don't believe you care about Yiddish if you only use it to attack Hebrew >:(' is nuts #Which is it do 'gentiles' care too much about Ashkenazi culture and use it as a weapon or do they pick on them as the acceptable group of #'Bad jews' (as people like to put it)? #And ngl any white person pulling this right now definitely doesn't care that much about JOC normally. If they did they'd let them say when #They're uncomfortable lmao because thar is the point of reference you need when discussing racism here #Otherwise you're just doing the 'white person shuts down conversation about racism because they feel upset' thing that everyone does #Including gentiles. Including gentiles who belong to groups (like white Latinos white Irish and Scottish people etc) who have faced #Marginalisation discrimination and genocide #And if you as a white person aren't doing that that tells me you either don't care to pay attention or you don't talk to JOC #So you don't know when JOC are actually uncomfortable and a lime is being crossed #And that's pretty bad because there's quite a few Mizrahim who are aggressive Zionists lmao and would love for you to use them as shield