#But I'm now enamoured with the idea of who actually did give me my weird ideas about mediaeval Catholicism

[thelreads]

So I was rereading spy x family and your liveblogs (even tho I've read them a few times, your reactions are always funny), and I got some thoughts about Fiona and Camilla.

First with Fiona: I think the saddest part about Fiona is that she really... Doesn't seem to like twilight. Like, she doesn't enjoy being in love with him. Her thoughts are constantly on the hypothetical twilight who is in love with her--a twilight which does not exist and will never exist. And then when that fantasy collides with reality, she ends up feeling hurt (and even though she only has herself to blame, it's still sad to see her cry :'( ). The best interaction the two have, I think, is at the end of the tennis mission where they're driving home and they high five at a job well done--thats really the only time Fiona seems to be enjoying twilight's company, which is also the only time she's not shown to be thinking about "potential love interest twilight". Compare with twilight and yor: even though they're not romantically involved (yet) they enjoy each other's company. They like being together because they're being together with each other, not thinking about someone who doesn't exist.

And it's really ironic because you'd think it'd be the other way around; yor only knows loid the psychiatrist, and twilight doesn't know yor the thorn princess. Fiona, who knows both twilight the spy and loid the hospital psychiatrist doesn't really seem to care for either; only for "twilight who will be her husband."

Then about Camilla: I think the reason why I dislike Fiona and Yors interactions but find camellia and yor's to be kinda cute is because yor is never upset by camellia's words the same way she's upset by Fiona. Camellia just says stuff that a lot of other people say--that yor is weird, or airheaded, or a shit cook. Even the "massages" comment doesn't seem to upset Yor (even though it crossed a line, even for a tsundere); she just takes it as "oh if people knew I did "massages", of course they'd think it's gross, that's normal." All of Camellias comments are about Yor not being "normal"; Yor knows she's not normal, so even though she wants to be normal and it makes her sad that she isn't, she has accepted it.

However, though Fiona never says anything as outright bitchy as Camellia does (the closest she gets is "your husband complains about you and says--" before she's interrupted), Yor still gets the sense that Fiona is insulting her abilities as a wife and mother. Yor has accepted not being "normal", but it hurts her deeply to be considered a bad mother and wife. So even though Camilla is more of an outright bully, I can't help but prefer to see Yor and Camilla interact over Yor and Fiona.

Also I think it's funny that the Camilla/Yor dynamic is like: Camilla thinks yor is a weirdo and annoying but yor is just like "this is my good friend Camilla, she says I'm a treasure and that I'm pretty [chapter 2], she invites me to her parties, she warned me about being targeted by the SSS, and she gives me cooking classes so I don't ruin my marriage." Camilla is so utterly ineffective at making yor feel bad that I can't take her insults seriously.

Yor still needs better friends tho. Someday...

Now, I wouldn't say Fiona doesn't love Twilight, but I must say that she's more enamoured by the idea of being loved back. She seems like she craves affection and acknowledgment, and that's why she pushes too hard to make Twilight impressed, she probably believes that she must be the best because that's the only way that she will be worthy of being loved.

She seems a bit similar to Damian in that aspect, she definitely went through similar experiences.

Now, Camilla... That's one character I don't like, and I must say that it's mostly caused by the switch due to weird installment weirdness. It seemed like Endo wanted her to be an actual villain to Yor, a hostile antagonist in her fake normal life, but after a while decided that she would work better as a modern Tsundere.

See, the Camilla that wanted Yor to be arrested, tortured and god knows what else by the SSS simply for the lolz of getting rid of the "weirdo" and that tried to permanently scar her with burning hot food because she didn't liked that said "weirdo" had a super hot husband, and the Camilla that is a bit rough and mean but likes to help even though she doesn't want to admit it are two completely different and totally incompatible characters.

I understand why people like either of those sides, and being honest, both of them work perfectly fine on their own, I would like her as well if it was just one of them, I just think that without a huge amount of character development we shouldn't have both of them happen. In the end, I don't like her because of this fact.

Dudeminic deserves better.

#inbetween #SXFC38

[subtext-bycalvinklein]

Soooo... I have realised no one mentioned this tibdit of information and I feel it's Very Important for the sake of fanfic, so I'm here to bring y'all what a few hours of very focused research after ep 9 of the gifted graduation dropped brought me.

And there's no better place to post this than my tinhatting corner, isn't there?

So. I know we've all read about That Song. We've all read the translation and it's been life changing to see the way the whole scene is shot like a romcom, and how well the song fits the theme of the scene, but my tinhatting brain couldn't stop there. I had to notice that both Pang and Wave sing some parts of the song. Wave does it in the beginning, before Pang comes in, and Pang does so once he's sitting with the earbud on. And, right there and then, the urge to know which part of the song they were singing about came to me. I was especially interested in knowing what Pang was singing, because he's just singing it under his breath, and he does this weird thingy where he's singing the last word, looks at Wave, and then smiles this small smile as he looks away. Which is already... Como se dice,,, pretty romcom-y of them, and I have questions to Nanon about his soft heart eyes and to the screenwriters about their stage directions, but like... It's chill. It's cool.

It gets progressively less cool as one goes to read the parts they were singing.

Let's start with explaining the instruments I used (and, while we're here, let's thank Vale who helped me find all this stuff, she's an angel), bc as a firm believer of science I need to explain my method in case anyone wants to repeat my mistakes: first of all, this is the lyrics sheet I've used for translation. I've put it in this app, which is super useful in that it gives you the translation for every single word and their transliteration, which is extremely important for those of us (me) who don't understand Thai alphabet. To make sure I was using the right lyrics, I've used this version of the song to follow along to, and then, once I was confident I put on the right lyrics, I started to follow along with the episode. And it was... An interesting experience, to say the least.

So. What were they singing, and why do I feel like it's so relevant I had to make a post about it?

Let's start with Wave.

First, he sings this line:

The translation of the sentence is a bit messy, but it corresponds to "there may be times where we meet someone new". That's... Honestly kinda irrelevant to the whole Pangwave business because, well. There's no new people involved? But after that, it kinda gets interesting.

Then, he sings:

The translation for this one according to Google translate should be "but we still have our hearts not afraid" which... Doesn't make much sense to me unless we translate it as "but we still have (keep) each others' heart, don't be afraid" (or maybe "but our hearts are still not afraid", but that seems like too much of a stretch to me), but I'm not sure if I'm just misconstruing stuff, so please feel free to correct me. Now THIS sounds like a sentiment Wave, the guy who's listening to a love song after a fight with his "friend" while drinking his absent friend tea, could relate to.

The final part we hear Wave sing along to is this one:

(Note: I've crossed out the part that Wave doesn't sing because it was part of that same verse)

This one is the trickiest to translate, as Wave gets interrupted mid-phrase, but it's basically the bridge of the song. According to Google translate, we should translate it as: "What I want is keep us always watching / if we accidentally forget-". I guess it could be "what I want is for us to keep being careful [with our hearts] / if we accidentally forget to [...]"

So, all in all it's pretty clear it's a song about two lovers who are momentarily separated, but despite that, still enamoured with each other. Pretty fitting for Pangwave's situation, right? But what really, truly, absolutely made me lose sleep it's not the fact that Wave chose this song, or which parts he chose to sing of it, but what Pang sings. Did I have an inkling before researching the exact line he sings, that it would devastate me? Yes. But did I know how much? Absolutely not.

Here, this is the line Pang sings under his breath:

Once again, Google translate tells us this means "always take care and keep your heart", which is more of less something romcom-y but not romcom-y enough to make me go as feral as I actually went. You want to know what made me actually want to ask a few questions to anyone involved with the scene? It's the fact that the one word Pang murmurs under his breath while looking at Wave, the one word he sings, and then SMILES AND LOOKS AWAY FROM WAVE? it's. This one.

I urge you to look for it yourselves if you don't believe me, but I can assure you I've watched it enough times to be very sure, and I'm still asking myself how is it possible that Pang sings a word which means "heart", "sweetheart" and "beloved one" while looking at Wave and then. He looks away. Like. I just wanna know what was the idea behind this whole scene, because to me it just looks like Pang accidentally on purpose called Wave sweetheart and then realised and got nervous about it.

So, yeah. That's all, and if y'all needed an excuse to make Pang use pet names for Wave in fics, here it is: it's basically canon.

#pangwave #tgg #the gifted graduation #pang #wave #i just wanna ask what was nanon's process while he was acting this scene because i don't understand in what universe you can think #oh yea I'm just gonna sing this word that is also a petname to the character bff's face #but it's all extremely platonic! #i rlly need to know if it was him who decided to do that or if it was a stage direction