#respuestas

[anghraine]

thatinsufferableb-st-rd said:

@anghraine so i have read the books multiple times and am an avid fan of the movies. I enjoy both for what they are. I think the main difference is that Peter Jackson was very open about what they chose to cut and why from anything I've ever seen. They even have Sam give a nod to the book readers by saying "by rights we shouldn't even be here". No I'm not happy about what they did with Faramir and Glorfindel got jipped, and I would have lover to have seen Elronds sons but at the end of the day there were acknowledgments of what and why. Rings of Power to me has always come off as hiding from any criticism by using the shield of "well if you don't like it it's because you don't like POCs in it". To which I genuinely could not give a fuck less, like there are so many branches of elves that went different ways so that could make sense within what Tolkein established. But don't hide behind that when your writing is just "Sauron is evil. We know. And we know she knows. But we have to make it seem like she's the only one who Has A Clue so we must all try to shoo her off to make a plotline"

@lesbiansforboromir has already correctly and politely pointed out that you are doing the very thing we were criticizing in that post—intruding on ROP fan discussion to unfavorably contrast the show to the Peter Jackson films, while also applying a degree of scrutiny to ROP that the Jackson films are rarely subject to in a remotely comparable way and could not bear. Frankly, @lesbiansforboromir is nicer and more restrained than I am about this, but you chose to tag me as well, so I'll also respond.

We (lesbiansforboromir and I) were talking about being excited about costuming in S2 of ROP and disliking the fandom meltdowns over ROP's costuming looking (somewhat) different from the films' aesthetic. Since it had already come up in their discussion, I added that I'm not convinced by the anti-ROP contingent framing their seething hatred of the costuming and design as just caring so much about fidelity to Tolkien's vision. I pointed out that Tolkien fandom broadly cares far more about their preferred, film-influenced aesthetics than Tolkien's actual descriptions and gave some specific examples of this.

There's been a lot of talk, for instance, about how the universally long, flowing hair for Elves preferred by the fandom and used in the films is actually totally canon according to Tolkien even if it's rarely mentioned in LOTR proper. This is inaccurate. Galadriel's brother Aegnor is typically depicted in the fandom/film-preferred style rather than per Tolkien's description of his hair as "strong and stiff, rising upon his head like flames" (indeed, in general neither Aegnor nor anyone else is ever depicted this way, and this description rarely shows up in the lists of "no it's about ethics in adaptation" Tolkien hair quotes).

Tolkien repeatedly describes Elvish, peredhel, and Dúnadan women as wearing their hair bound up in braided coiffures with jeweled hair pieces/nets rather than loose and flowing à la the films and the fandom. Nobody cares, any more than they care about Tolkien's description of Arwen's clothing as soft, grey, and noticeably devoid of ornamentation apart from a belt and netted cap (i.e. the opposite of her highly elaborate film costuming and typically loose, unbound, uncovered hair in the films and most illustrations).

Meanwhile, my fave Faramir's hair is nowhere near long enough in the films or most art to mingle with Éowyn's as Tolkien describes. It's usually also depicted as blond, reddish, or brown rather than black as in the book; in Tolkien's LOTR, all described Gondorians have dark or black hair, with the only difference in coloring being that some Gondorians are dark-skinned and some are pale. Again, almost nobody in the fandom cares about this when they're going on about costume design and casting to reflect Tolkien's vision, and male Gondorians are overwhelmingly depicted with short or shoulder-length hair in the films and in Tolkien illustrations.

Popular depictions of Gondor, including the Gondor of the films, very rarely reflect Tolkien's description of Gondor's aesthetic as similar to ancient Egypt, the Byzantine Empire, and the Roman Empire. Film Gondor has, at most, extremely vague allusions to Byzantine architecture amidst the general and deliberate westernization of Gondor's design—as just one example among many, Tolkien's explicitly Egyptian-based design for the royal crown of Gondor is converted to a generically western European-style crown in the films and overwhelmingly in the fandom.

I then pointed out that it's been very noticeable that ROP haters tend to have a powerful double standard wrt fidelity when it comes to the Jackson films. For over 20 years, most film fans have been constitutionally incapable of tolerating even slight criticism of the films without jumping in to defend their greatness and condescendingly explain the most basic elements of adaptation. (Yes, we know film is not the same medium as text, we know changes are part of adaptation to another medium, we all know that, we all know that a word-for-word adaptation would suck and never be made, this is not new information and does not make the PJ films' every choice a good one.) Yet most film LOTR fans who vocally despise ROP display none of the charity towards ROP that they demand for the films (demand even from someone like Christopher Tolkien, a dead man the entire fandom is deeply indebted to, whose dislike of the films still leads to regular attacks on his character from Jackson film stans).

This hypercritical yet hyperdefensive tendency in the fandom is neatly illustrated by the fact that you responded to a conversation about the double standards in evaluations of ROP's costuming vs the films' to go on about how ROP is objectively bad for reasons entirely unrelated to costuming, how you're totally not racist (something nobody was talking about), and to quote you directly, "Like the show was just Bad." Truly, an incisive critique. Meanwhile, your concessions with regard to the Jackson films are mainly about extremely minor and defensible omissions like removing Glorfindel and the sons of Elrond rather than the serious and fundamental problems that lesbiansforboromir and I have with them, or even the ways they do pretty much the exact same things you're lambasting ROP for.

I mean, if we're going to talk about action hero Elves in ROP vs the Jackson films, what about the action hero-ification of Legolas in the films? He was described by Tolkien himself as the Fellowship member who accomplished the least, so super badass battle-skateboarding Legolas hardly represents fidelity to Tolkien's vision. Why should that get a pass while film-stanning ROP haters seethe about ROP!Galadriel being too special, even though Tolkien described her as one of the most special Elves to ever live and specifically as remarkably athletic and insightful?

Meanwhile, film Gimli is reduced to comic relief, the only dwarves taken seriously are conventionally hot ones in The Hobbit films, and Frodo's expressions of strength and fortitude are consistently removed to glorify other characters. Film Gondorians were deliberately designed to seem like useless tin soldiers (which they are in the films, as well as whiter and blonder than Tolkien wrote them) rather than the physically imposing and highly effective fighting force of the book. ROP imagining Elvish rituals upon approaching Valinor that aren't based in Tolkien canon but don't directly conflict with it is absolutely trivial compared to the films' handling of Denethor and Faramir.

The point is not that you, personally, are not allowed to like the films or dislike ROP despite all this. Many people do love the films, including most of my followers. They do have their strengths, though they are extremely racist and few film fans will acknowledge this without soft-pedaling it in some way (esp, since you brought it up, given the context of the truly unhinged degree of racism that has accompanied much of the broader discourse around ROP).

The point is that film fans who hate ROP are constantly showing up in our conversations to be "well actually ROP is just objectively bad, unlike the films, because the show has failings that are also in the films but it's totally different there because of the contents of Peter Jackson's soul" or whatever. The point is the absolutely glaring and obnoxiously hypocritical double standard of defensiveness about the films and obsessive nitpicking of ROP that leads to ROP haters continually going on rants to ROP fans that are unwelcome, uninvited, and usually (as in this case) irrelevant to what was even being discussed.

#legendarium fanwank #respuestas #anghraine rants #legendarium blogging #pj critical #tv: lotr #ondonórë blogging #long post #jrr tolkien #aegnor #arwen undómiel #peoples of middle earth #letters of jrr tolkien #faramir #legolas #galadriel

[somos-deseos]

Yo fui la persona que le mostró que realmente podía ser amado y él fue la persona que me mostró que yo necesitaba amarme de verdad.

R: También sufrí de eso... No más.

#ask anon #send anons #anon ask #anonymous #seguen responde #seguen #seguen oriah #respuestas #dinamica

[suenosyfantasmas]

"Las únicas respuestas interesantes son las que destruyen las preguntas".

Susan Sontag.

Arte: MAVi.

Sueños y fantasmas. El arte de soñar.

#fotografía #arte #mavi #frases #preguntas #respuestas #imaginación #sueños

[s-a-d-h-u-m-a-n]

Antes quería encontrar una respuesta, pero ahora me doy cuenta que no hace falta que pregunte, porque cuando miro atrás, cada detalle es una respuesta...

#respuestas #toxic relationship #relacion toxica #toxic love #escritos #letras #soledad #ansiedad #infeliz #esfuerzo #amor #notas tristes #sociedad #textos de dolor

[by-yls]

No logré saber cuál fue su perspectiva, ni ella la mía.

Me quede con una infinidad de preguntas y con tanto por decir.

Pero no podía quedarme así, debía expresarlo de alguna forma aunque no llegara a su destino, comencé a sacarlo a letras. En cada escrito lograba expresar la emocionalidad, pensamientos y reflexiones. Logré comprenderme y aprender a través de la escritura, fue una gran aliada en mi proceso de duelo.

Y al final te das cuenta que no hace falta esa conversación. Ya no hace falta ni interesa.

#escritos de desamor #by-yls #notas #cosas que escribo #pensamientos #sentimientos #escritos del alma #desamor #duelo #frases #escritos #ex #preguntas #respuestas #Perspectiva #Spotify #resiliencia #desilusión #wlw

[psychopath-99]

Considerando salir de ahí :((

#escritos tristes #pensamientos #notas #escritos #tristeza #notas de vida #sad boy #notas de noche #cosas de la vida #fragmentos #respuestas #amor y dolor #red flags

[welele]

#preguntas #profesores #respuestas #w3

[heart-in-pieces-95]

¿Alguien de ustedes, me podría decir que se supone es ser un buen amigo?

#un escritor dice #un escrito más #sentimientos #soledad #pensamientos #notas tristes #sentimental #notas #pensamiento #escritos #respuestas #no pensar #pensamentos aleatórios

[cartas-de-luchi]

¿Vale la pena arriesgarse tanto por alguien?

Pues creo que no hay una respuesta correcta para eso, ¿sabes?

Porque a veces va más allá de eso, de pensar en si vale o no la pena, o si la persona lo merece siquiera. Creo que todo parte de la base de como esa persona nos hace sentir, independientemente de lo que la otra persona sienta. Porque cuando quieres a alguien las acciones dejan de sen lógicas y terminas guiandote un poco por ese amor, vas un poco a la deriva.

Yo, por ejemplo, me arriesgué entera por alguien una vez y fue precioso, aunque el final fuese tan amargo como lo fue. Y valió la pena, claro que la valió. Porque ahora tengo los recuerdos más bonitos de mi vida atesorados en el corazón. Pero arriesgarse también es aceptar que algún día puede doler de forma desgarradora e inaguantable. Arriesgarse significa aceptar las diversas posibilidades y los distintos finales que puede haber. Bueno y malos. O ambos a la vez. Y volvería a arriesgarme por otra persona si siento que, ara mi, vale la pena.

Así que, desde mi punto de vista y basándome en mis experiencias, te diría que vale totalmente la pena. Pero que no hay que perderse a uno/a mismo/a en el camino, que nosotros tenemos que ir por delante de cualquier persona que entre a nuestra vida, porque al final del día, solo nos tenemos a nosotros mismos.

#anon ask #ask #preguntas #respuestas #katastrophal #luchi #citas #frases #notas #textos #pensamientos

[anghraine]

cressida-jayoungr replied to this post:

Wait, what's this about squirrels? That's one I haven't run across!

It's one of the many factoids from Tolkien's essay on Númenor in The Nature of Middle-earth! He talks about gender and relationships with animals there:

they [Númenórean women] were generally nearer to men than is the case with most races in stature and strength, and were agile and fleet of foot in youth. Their great delight was in dancing (in which many men also took part) at feasts or in leisure time ... But nearly all women could ride horses, treating them honourably, and housing them more nobly than any other of their domestic animals. The stables of a great man were often as large and as fair to look upon as his own house. Both men and women rode horses for pleasure ... and in ceremony of state both men and women of rank, even queens, would ride, on horseback amid their escorts or retinues ... The Númenóreans trained their horses to hear and understand calls (by voice or whistling) from great distances; and also, where there was great love between men or women and their favorite steeds, they could (or so it is said in ancient tales) summon them at need by their thought alone. So it was also with their dogs. For the Númenóreans kept dogs, especially in the country, partly by ancestral tradition, since they had few useful purposes any longer ... It was men rather than women who had a liking to keep dogs as "friends". Women loved more the wild (or "unowned") birds and beasts, and they were especially fond of squirrels, of which there were great numbers in the wooded country. ...The woods of Númenor abounded in squirrels, mostly red, but some dark brown or black. These were all unafraid, and readily tamed. The women of Númenor were specially fond of them. Often they would live in trees near a homestead, and would come when invited into the house. (NOME 325-326, 335-6)

Conclusion: a) Númenóreans were, as a people, significantly larger than other humans, b) Númenórean women were more similar in size and strength to the men of their people than is usual among humans, and c) these gigantic women liked to befriend normal squirrels.

#just envisioning 6'9" númenórean women setting eyes on random squirrels: FRIEND!!!!! #cressida jayoungr #respuestas #nature of middle earth #legendarium blogging #númenórë #team dúnedain #long post

[somos-deseos]

Como se puede olvidar a alguien que fue tan importante en tu vida? Ayuda.

#anon #anonymous #anons welcome #photo #mood #seguen #escritores #portrait photography #ask #frases #citas #textos #realidad #respuestas #sentimientos #cosas que importan #julio2023 #corregida

[danna8ne]

#frases #textos #alegrias #amor #citas cortas #citas de escritores #cosas tristes #emociones #escritos #explorame #recuerdos #respuestas #el amor #poema original #psicologia

[abril-juvenile-deactivated]

Que tipo de chicas te gustan?

Desde mi infancia hasta hoy, no he sentido atracción fácilmente. Las chicas que me atraían fueron aquellas que destacaban por su inteligencia, su presencia (elegancia), su fluidez al hablar y sus valores. Me atrapa lo mental, espiritual y afectivo primero. Aprecio a las científicas, poetas, psicólogas, educadoras, artistas, etc. Esto no quiere decir que me enamore si veo alguna así. He tenido amistades y no necesariamente siento más allá. uwu

#preguntas #quotes #respuestas #humanismo #nostalgico #ask #opinion #firthunands #question #personal

[sinfonia-relativa]

Tras las preguntas, el tren responde. Siempre responde, pero no descifra las respuestas, solo responde.

Su sonido: un grito sin respuestas, solo me hace saber que existes, que fuiste y que tu recuerdo, insiste en quedarse cerca.

B. Owl🦉

#sinfonia-relativa #escritos #notas #frases #citas #b.owl #noviembre2023 #preguntas #respuestas #pensamientos #sonidos

[betweenthebarses]

¿Se puede tener miedo a la vida?

PR

#amor #dolor #tristeza #vida #preguntas #escritos #palabras #tiempo #respuestas #alma

[welele]

#exámenes #pinga #respuestas #w3