#which is literally not written in canon anywhere & only serves to remind me that cornell's writing exists still

[informaticn]

the additions to the red room get more nonsensical as you go down the list when you think about it bc 

first we have the bl/ack widows,   the original   &   only was natalia   &   later yelena joined her rank.

then they added various miscellaneous bl/ack wi/dows that they very often don’t even bother to name much less give any kind of backstory or information on beyond   “ orphan, “   for some reason.   i can think of one that had a name but i can’t actually remember her name rip.

after them,   there’s the red widows,   of which there are i believe only two,   ava   &   a currently unnamed woman who’s part of the winter guard.   ava isn’t actually a confirmed member of the red room   &   it’s implied that her name came from the combination of her admiration of natalia’s strength   &   wanting to be more   “ reliable “   than her,   but the unnamed woman apparently was affiliated with the red room in some way.

we also have the wolf spiders which is the male equivalent of the bl/ack wi/dows that never gained traction bc nico,   the original trainee,   was too uncontrollable   &   they shut it down before producing any wolf spiders.

then we also have recluse who is more or less detached from the red room bc she wasn’t technically trained in or by it,   but who is still affiliated with it bc her mother was a trainer or something in it???

i don’t know what’s happening please marble stop this

#does marble know that it can stop at literally any time #we don't... they don't need to keep adding onto the red room they really don't #i don't fucking know how the red widow slots in bc that's not explained as far as i'm aware #& i'm 99% sure they completely forgot they even had ava when they came up with the unnamed lady #bc she's just nowhere to be seen & red widows were not a thing in the red room before #wolf spiders are fine i guess or they were until everyone started saying that nico had a bad reaction to the biochemical enhancements #which is literally not written in canon anywhere & only serves to remind me that cornell's writing exists still #( as a note on that sentence apparently people believe this to be what happened to nico #bc cornell wrote ivan losing his fucking mind & people attached him & nico together with their enhancements #that is also not written in canon tho but whatever i don't wanna talk about cornell's writing ) #i don't understand the concept of making a bunch of widows & then not using but like one or two in any significant way #like they might as well have left the story alone as nat being the original & only widow if they were still only gonna use her #recluse is just a mess top to bottom from her timeline to her skillset #( which is not a comment to my often stated belief that it makes no sense she could take nat & bucky without breaking a sweat #& more a comment to the fact that she appears to only have a handful of years in training #bc it's implied she didn't begin training until adulthood & she appears to have no espionage skill whatsoever #so i'm not sure what the fuck her skillset is supposed to be for outside of her needing to be a better fighter than nat ) #honestly it kind of feels like marble knows that the red room & the history of it is entirely irrelevant to stories at large #but they want to keep referencing it so people don't forget it so they just keep adding new shit onto it #but they don't bother to think about the shit they've already added onto it so everything all together just makes no sense at all #when will i finish this doc & be free of this nightmare #i haven't even started on the win/ter sol/dier bit bc i have to figure out how to make that vague but slightly informative #( well informative as far as his involvement in the bl/ack wi/dow & wolf spider ops goes anyway ) #for the sake of it making sense but not risking overwriting any specific canon for bucky #ooc / shit posting from marble's basement. #delete.