#weird how influenced we are by parasocial relationships
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Okay because I keep seeing these posts, I am just gonna cartwheel in here and say something.
It is not inappropriate to be attracted to real people.
Like, entirely setting aside the question of if you think a fantasy character block men is hot, if you are looking at the photos of a real streamer and you've got hearts in your eyes, I can't overemphasize how normal that is. You're good. Don't worry about it.
These people are funny, and they have good voices, and we watch them be entertaining for hours at a time. This is prime real estate for a little crush. And having a crush is fine, the question is about your behaviour once you have a crush.
I am seeing people thinking that having a crush on a streamer means they're dangerously parasocial, or somehow predatory, or abusive, and that ever breathing a word of it is basically sexual harassment. And like, no. Being attracted to real people is not weird. That's arguably less weird than being attracted to fictional characters. The only question is like, once you know that you want to smooch the real person, how do you then treat that person and the people around you?
Seeing a photo of a famous person and thinking "oh hell yeah I want to hold their hand": this is a celebrity crush. I am aroace and I've spent enough time in some people's streams that I start to go "oh man I wonder if they'd like if if we played D&D together" (medusa-flirting). This has happened to regular people looking at attractive famous people probably since someone in the cave man clan was a particularly good hunter and got praise for it. Thoughts in your head don't hurt people. This is fine.
Seeing clips of a famous person and having sexual thoughts about them: this is still a celebrity crush. Your average boring office worker does this with movie stars. Half the people on the bus are doing this with instagram influencers. Runnning a nice r-rated movie in your head is fine, and doesn't hurt anyone. Thoughts in your head still dont' hurt people. This is still fine.
Collecting photos of a famous person and going GOD they're hot to your friends where the famous person won't see it: still a celebrity crush. There is a standing joke in I don't know how many healthy relationships that your partner gets a certain amount of freebies where you could totally cheat if it's Idris Elba, because it's IDRIS ELBA, that's not cheating that's just sense. You can aknowlege someone's sexiness to your friends, and even joke about it, and you're not being predatory, and you're not being inappropriate. Desire is not a crime. People can publically talk about being attracted to a person, and as long as they're not making it that person's problem, they're fine. Having a "hot people" tag on your blog with careful photos gathered from someone's public instagram where they deliberately posted photos of themselves looking hot? I can't over emphasize how fine this is. If people don't want to see hot people on their dash I guess they can unfollow? But you're literally being totally appropriate still.
Getting a nice private group chat with friends who like to talk abouta famous person and talking about how you'd like to knock him up: Look, what else are group chats as adults for? Are you seeing a trend here? As long as you are keeping your attraction to yourself and not making it other people's problem, as long as you're not bothering the real person with it, as long as you aknowledge to yourself that this is never going to happen and this is just a fun fantasy, this is just like, how attraction works. See pretty person, talk about pretty person, have fun with the fictional imaginings you're having— as long as you're not forcing this imagining on someone else, making it their problem, trying to make it real, as long as you know the difference between fiction and real life, you're fine.
Going up to someone's chat and talking about their dick: This is where you cross the line.
Putting NSFW work in someone's fan art tag. Wearing a shirt with porn on it to a meet and greet. Untagging your fanfic so that people who want to read g-rated works about someone are confronted with e-rated works. Asking one of their friends about their relationship status and if they smell good. This is the bad stuff. Don't do THAT. Keep it away from the real person.
The problem is not the attraction, the problem is forcing the attraction on other people. Like, use your brain. There's a segment of attraction that you can put on main, and then there's a segment that you can put on main but you'd better be sure that the person you're talking about is not going to see it, and then there's a segment you should keep for the group chat, but that's just a very basic sliding scale of "how sexual am I being" correlated with "how private am I being about this". If you want to run a full on porn video in your head starring Wilbur Soot, you're not bothering other people with that, you're not being inappropriate. That becomes inappropriate if you are a) putting that in tags where people who don't want to see the porn video would see it b) talking to Wilbur Soot about it. Those are the boundaries. Wait also c) talking to Wilbur Soot's friends about it, don't do that either.
If the person you're attracted to is an adult famous person, like, people being attracted to them is just part of the landscape. I promise an adult celebrity is not sitting in their room being traumatized because people might be thinking about them romantically or sexually. Putting it up in their faces? Bad. Very bad. I hate it. Don't do it. But I see people freaking out about thoughts. Thoughts aren't real. They do not exist in the real world. You can do what you fuckin' want in your thoughts and you are not hurting people.
Like I know we don't want to be inappropriate with streamers, but that doesn't mean that any sexual or romantic thoughts about them are forbidden, or that mild "GOD he's cute" or picspams on main are hurting people, or that off in a closed group of fellow adult enthusiasts you can't be like "so I think streamer would be submissive if I was domming him" and everyone can be like "oh you'd dom him so well". As long as you're keeping it away from people who are bothered by it, you're fine.
Attraction to real people is normal and how attraction works. You're not hurting people if you think they're cute. You're not hurting people if you want to fuck them, either, as long as you're not making them interact with that desire. This is just a simple matter of keeping the higher-rated material away from the people involved.
Attraction to real people isn't inappropriate. You're fine.
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Feel free to ignore this if you're done with the parasocial topic but this ask is just to give my perspective:
I have very much been hyperfixated on RTVS since I stumbled across them 3 years ago bc of HLVR. Unfortunately though, I feel it has also blurred my understanding of what is too much and what isnt boundary-wise, leading to parasocial thoughts about them in the past that i had to tell myself not to feed into.
I believe that being Autistic makes you a lot more vulnerable to developing parasocial relationships by that blurring of the boundaries. And, unless I'm misremebering, there have been studies proving that belief true. This is absolutely not an excuse to be weird however. In my opinion, I think its very important that Autistic people know how to see and respect the boundaries of influencers. Otherwise, that way of thinking only will spiral out of their control. Just my point of view as an Autistic person.
As an autist myself, i understand your feelings. Just as i said before, demonizong others for their thoughts is not the way to go, as parasocial relationships can form by mental factors we cant control. Thats why we should focus on teaching ourselves about it, knowing when the thoughs become actions.
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The Card Games Overview - Part 1
"I would have wanted to be Joriiiiiiis, to be able to do my shoooow!" - The Hypermage's Blues
Joris, as discreet as he is efficient, is the emissary of the king of Bonta.
Already we're starting strong with the first card here, because, and you will never believe this, — the implications for lore this has are huge.
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It is a parody of this song, "Le blues du Businessman", which implies that: (and I beg you to forgive me for taking this silly little song reference so seriously. I am neurodivergent about this. It gives me pleasure to overanalyse things)
Within the World of Twelve, this song is about being a huppermage, and the pain that comes with it. (They are called here "hypermages", because this was their name in 2009-2010, when their lore was still being developed).
Someone in the huppermage class community has formed a parasocial relationship with Joris?? Imagine namedropping princess Diana in your depression song.
It makes me wonder what other famous huppermages' names could be used in the World of Twelve version of this song. "I would have wanted to be Juliiiith, so I could shout who I am!!" or something??? Would Bakara be name-dropped (actually, she probably would... she does have a parasocial fan in Dofus MMO, despite probably having been dead of old age for centuries)? Does this song make Joris cringe so much he almost dies?
This seems very rebellious, considering huppermages have what seems to be a very... conservative, rigid in-culture, that is against outside influences, and somewhat in favour of in-group hazing, (Wakfu quests — professors' reactions to students being attacked within the huppermage temple amounting to "you'll get over it." + what I've heard about institutionalized huppermage on huppermage violence that happens in Julith et Jahash comic.)
The other thing that makes it seem rebellious is the fact that Joris probably isn't welcome among his own people, with his independent personality, relation to Julith (this one is a mixed reason: during his youth, she was hated, — but as of Dofus MMO times, she was seemingly a figure that was revered just as strongly as Jahash, among huppermages), and affinity for other classes' (ecaflips) cultures and beliefs.
Another lyric that includes the word "artist", "I would have wanted to be an artist, to have the world to remake, to be able to be an anarchist, and live like a millionaire" makes me insane in this context. This fits him so well because this fucker doesn't give a shit about huppermage rules (he hits people with a log to give them concussions instead of using magic), and lives like a millionaire (smokes expensive blunts while drinking Chateau Lafite Rothschild in his nasty room filled with plushies and cartoon figurines).
These are the only two crepinlore adjacent cards in the Wakfu TCG, so, we will move onto Krosmaster:
You can't just tell me that, by ecaflip standards, Atcham is considered disabled and expect me to be normal about it. This confirms a lot of what I already thought: Atcham feels scorned for a multitude of reasons:
People think he's bad looking, he can't have a romantic relationship (if he didn't have Kerubim to blame for everything, god knows he would have become an incel. And I don't mean that as a joke. I mean it in the "blaming people being awful to you bc of your looks/neurodivergency/social skills — on other, random people, because the pain of being unable to change your situation is too much" way. He already does that. In canon.)
His lack of fur actually causes issues with his health. (we didn't need a card to tell that, but feels good to have it acknowledged. Just google how vulnerable sphynx cats are to temperatures. I feel bad for him.)
He feels... "uncute". Catboy body dysmorphia is both real, and fucking depressing.
There isn't any lore here, but I want to acknowledge something: Isn't it weird that he never wears pants as an old man, except in his first 2 official arts in Krosmaster? Isn't it whacky that he speaks in one episode as if he does wear pants? I am haunted by this, folks.
His dice have a wrong design on the first art here. Sorry for noticing insane things like that.
I have so many thoughts, and none of them coherent.
The scales, the fangs, Atcham's sword, the fact that it's called "draconian crisis"... I am in loves. Also "strange little boy" is on par with other things Joris gets called in canon. Like "funny little man" and "weirdly endearing for a curtain twitcher".
An error I noticed: he isn't wearing the tights/stockings he wears in Aux Tresors de Kerubim. I can see that because they coloured his knees the same colour as his shoulders/hands.
(Yes, yet another insane "I had watched Dofus Aux Tresors for 83492734 times" detail only I would ever notice.)
He is so, so,,...
A discussion with a friend made me want to present to you the next scenario: imagine Joris, being offered to play boufbowl as an adult. He would say "No, I shan't, I really shan't", before defeating everyone in record time. Just because he's smug like that, and loves to show off how cool and awesome he is, but in a subtle, quiet way. Athletes unironically hate him.
He should listen to Speedfreaks FM while running around.
Big news for Joris Pain enjoyers: Grougalorasalar can inflict nightmares upon people. And personally, I want him to have done this to Joris. Repeatedly.
I have a lot of emotions about her...
I wish more people took her alcoholism as more than a joke. I think it's fucking depressing that she's around 20yo, already an alcoholic, doing the whole huppermage thing just because of her brother, and the pressure of other people, and the only other stress relief she has besides alcoholism, is Violence. Jesus fucking christ.
I will probably write many more words on this topic, when we get to the movie, or to a particular comic, — but that will have to wait.
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okay so being a little more serious about today, I do think is a little weird that so many of you are ready to pass judgement and take sides on a break up that, at the end of the day, we don’t know a single thing about.
opinions on the Damiano/Giorgia break up below the cut, a little critical, read at your own risk
Yes, seeing your ex kissing someone that was close to them only a few days after you break up is shitty. But it’s also not Damiano’s fault since he wasn’t the one to put out the video. He was a dummy for thinking people weren’t gonna record him but that’s also not his fault. He probably felt safe around those people and someone betrayed his trust. Also, “acting like a harlot in the club bc you’re sad” is very me coded so I can’t be harsh on him for this lmao
At this point all we can do is wish the best for both of them - I’m sure we will know more/be force fed information in the next few days - and not act like fucking animals on Damiano’s, Giorgia’s or Martina’s socials. No one did nothing wrong, it’s not a criminal offense to break up with your partner and/or make out with someone at the club.
That being said, some of you gotta stop being
1- Weird and too parasocial. You weren’t involved in this relationship whatsoever. I get liking a couple, but chill the fuck out. Giorgia/Damiano is not your friend that was broken up with or something. I still can’t believe that there were girlies having anxiety attacks and going to the hospital bc a celebrity couple is no longer together, please go outside a little lmao
2- Naive. Just because they looked like a “””perfect couple”””* on IG doesn’t mean that the relationship was perfect at all.
*I put a lot of quotation marks because I think there’s a deeper conversation here about how lifestyle influencers kind of milk their private lives - and the private lives of their partners/family - for this sort of “relatable” content and how much that sort of personal exposure must suck for people around them. Like, girlie was literally recording stories from their bed at one point. People could guess they were no longer together because that’s how much locals (not stalkers, normal people) knew the inside of their apartment. I wouldn’t last 2 weeks with someone like this. This is not an attack on Giorgia exclusively, it’s an attack on influencers in general.
3- Nosy. Listen, I love a good gossip, I’m not gonna lie, and I do think that we will know a little more about it in the coming days. However, we have to make peace with the fact that we will never know everything that happened and that’s not only okay but normal. They don’t owe us any sort of explanation about this or an apology like some weirdos on twitter were suggesting
4- If I see a single person blame Vic for anything related to this I will personally show up at your house with a machete
Anyways, that’s my opinion so please don’t send the police after me. I wish both of them the best and I’m excited for Damiano’s single era, I just know he’s gonna serve CUNT
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Hey ya’ll. Just wanted to get real for a sec.
Reminder that Presidential elections are this year, and there’s something about young voters that bothers me today. Many of you believe there has to be a “perfect” candidate to run this country, and you must understand that that is simply not a possibility. Politics do not grant us the better of two goods; it grants us the burden of choosing the lesser of two evils. And that sucks, but it’s reality.
Young leftists swear that “blue no matter who” is the only way, but we also preach that the Right needs to progress…and then when it does, we don’t reward it. This time around, there may actually be a viable Republican candidate, and it’s not JUST because she’s a woman…but my god it helps.
If a politician has policies or ideologies you disagree with, please keep in mind that presidents do not have absolute power over the country. If someone is a safer option than TRUMP, OF ALL THINGS, with a few policies you disagree with, that’s still better than just electing Trump or not voting at all. Because things that a candidate may try to pass as president could be blocked by House/Senate or whatever.
People have this toxic absolutist mindset that if someone messes up or isn’t handling every single thing gracefully, or not every single view aligns with theirs, that that person shouldn’t be or shouldn’t have been the President when they’re literally one person trying to run a country that, at this point, literally influences the entire world. There are going to be mistakes, there are going to be lines that don’t meet in the middle, and sometimes the solution they come up with for a problem is also a “lesser of two evils” situation, and when we have to face the consequences of that choice, we can’t see the bigger picture of how a different answer may have been worse.
People today hate the fact that few things are black and white and when it comes to politics, there’s no perfect answer… but there are wrong answers, and those ought to be obvious. People also develop such weird parasocial relationships with politicians and it’s embarrassing… Presidents, senators, Speakers, etc they’re not your friends. They’re your leaders and they are here to do a job. Some are not fit, and some are more corrupt than others. You don’t have to like someone enough to die for them in order to deem them worthy of a job.
I’m not telling you who to vote for because i don’t know who I’m gonna be voting for either yet and it IS a personal choice, but I’m trying to inspire you to have an open mind and be reasonable. Think about the bigger picture and weigh the options one candidate may present.
That is all.
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Theory: Because Jojolands takes place in the year of our lord 2021/2022 and has massive themes of making money I believe there has to be a reference to American millionaires or the millionaires themselves will appear. Think Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk, it would just be weird but it makes sense.
I can see that being a major possibility. Jodio can use an irl reference to a rich person as an example to explain his desires to be filthy rich, possibly worshipping and being in parasocial relationships with them. Arguably, we got a sort of reference to a rich millionare of sorts with the Rohan Kishibe arc and we've seen how Jodio admires him (albeit for his works rather than his wealth).
That being said, I had a theory that the main villain would be a wealthy social media influencer that Jodio looks up to becaue of the former's wealth. Said influencer could be a localized reference to someone irl.
This main villain started as a YouTuber who gained a massive following and became known for not only his content but for his wealth. Despite gaining the followings and the money, they are very unsatisfied with their life. Being wealthy, public, and also a philantropist, they feel obligated to give back, remain inspirational, and the haters sometimes say they're not "doing enough" if they don't speak out on one thing or not donate enough on another thing. This ends up putting them onto a path of being a main villain, specifically one who tries to address the dissatisfaction and it causes more harm than good. The main villain can serve as a warning to Jodio, making him realize he needs to change his ways before it's too late.
A social media influencer villain would also put a spin on Jodio being betrayed, because he could have seen the influencer as someone he worshiped on a pedestal and considered a friend (maybe they were online mutuals). Minor villains could be rabbid fans who are ride or die with the main villain. Lots of interesting potential for sure!
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I'll be completely honest, sometimes I have the same thought as the previous anon. Them still going through the effort to conceal it confuses me too sometimes. I know that they are against a "public" relationship because of the unnecessary pressure and opinions, but also, I don't traditionally consider just knowing that people are in a relationship as being all that "public".
Think of ANY figure you know who is in a relationship, and while we get occasional photos, appreciation posts, or a one-off video together, they don't share any intimate details about their day-to-day relationship, so fans have nothing to really attach themselves to and speculate about. Anthony, Amanda, Kimmy, Markiplier, Jacksepticeye, Eddy Burback, Ted Nivison, Jacksfilms, Alanah Pearce, James and Elyse Willems... those are just off the top of my head, but there's COUNTLESS people who are just okay with the world knowing.
So I'm always thinking, like, why are S and C so different in that regard?
I get that there might be some strange speculation and parasocial creeps, but like... S and C get that ANYWAYS, so how does that change by making it public knowledge at the bare minimum? I'm sure other creators also get weirdos in DMs, especially women (I def know Alanah Pearce gets weird comments on her relationship). But for S and C, the weirdos who wanted to find out (me, I am weirdos, lol) already found out, and they learned to tune out weirdos in all other aspects, so... I don't get why they don't just rip the band-aid.
But I know there's also another angle to it. The nature of S and C's job is very parasocial at its core. They had entire series on Pit diving into their dating lives and went into otherwise pretty imtimate details. Even beyond dating lives, they've had to share a TON of info about their lives simply for content. I think they both are ones to deeply appreciate keeping some things to themselves for that reason. And if their relationship is one of those things, then that's totally cool.
There's also some other less-expected reasons they might keep it private.
It's just a fact in the industry that women and fem-presenting influencers who *appear* single get more attention and followers. If people knew C wasn't single, she would probably lose male followers on IG instantly. How MUCH she would lose is debateable, but... that's a very real problem they might consider.
Another reason is C stated they've dealt with a stalker before, which got to the point of legal action, and that's a very traumatic experience. Not trying to upset any of her aggressively creepy fans can also be a good reason.
C might also want to conceal it because she very outwardly promotes her bi/pan identity, so she might want to avoid any snide remarks about her being in a "straight relationship". Yes, bi-exclusionary gay people are still out there and are still very annoying.
C might just not want any speculation about her role and successes at Smosh being attributed to her relationship with S. She's a very talented and dedicated performer, writer, and director, and she would probably prefer to keep that attributed to her and NOT her relationship.
At the end of the day, you're right, they have no obligation. However unnecessary we might think it is, or however different they might think they are from every other online creator who we know is in a relationship, it's their choice and we should always respect that.
So good for you to mentioned Alanah. She just posted one of the comment on her IG stories that's pretty much in line with what you said. It's related with her BF (Rahul Kohli) that just met up for a dinner with Mark Hamil who's costar with him in a movie.
As you can see she's pretty chill from this kind of comment and even post some occasionally. But this definitely different from people to people for sure. I'm sure Court and Shayne can handle it but maybe this is one of the reason why they're still effort to be private.
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Even if it's never known how intimate the convo was or which details she shared. It is certain that she talked to minors as young as 13yo. That alone is unacceptable. Those kids idolized her, so think about the influence that gives her over them. Kelly, in her thirthies, should understand that such power disbalance is not correct. kids have peers and adults in their lives to learn from. Sure, Idols can symbolise dreams, bring comfort or be an escape. But parasocial relationships with an idol that goes beyond all boundaries can be harmfull. //Either way, we have proof that the group exists/existed and that she would often update them on her life, which, sex talk or not, is still pretty weird.
This. If what that anon said is true, I’m glad their mom stepped up even if she got blocked.
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While we’re talking about boundaries, I have a question!
In one of the asks you mentioned that we’re strangers and so tones and intent can sometimes be misconstrued etc. and I realised that I do have a little bit of a habit to feel a certain level or friendship like comfortability when interacting with writers I follow here, forgetting that I’m just an anonymous asker and whilst I may feel as though I know you (or the you you display online, anyway) and am comfortable joking with you, in reality you don’t actually know me at all… and so that might not be reciprocated.
For instance, I tend to express my compliments or support through phases like “I have a crush on your brain” when I feel particularly in awe of your writing, or say it’s “hot” when you dismantle someone’s rude ask etc, things like that. And whilst those are phrases I use with my friends often it has just occurred to me that it might make you uncomfortable since we are, in fact, strangers!
And if that’s the case, I AM SO SO SORRY if I ever made you feel uncomfortable!!!!! That has never been my intention, and SO I just wanted to check in about your boundaries when it comes to compliments and jokes and just general interactions? 💖✨
lol i appreciate wanting to check and like. again there's not like any hard and fast rules + i can only speak for myself, but usually i don't mind comments like "i have a crush on ur brain" etc bc they r usually so silly + over the top that it's like. pretty clearly a joke.
idk it can definitely be weird figuring out how to navigate an online space especially in the midst of like....the norms of celebrity or influencer culture where developing parasocial relationships is sort of encouraged as a marketing tactic etc. i think some of that parasociality can definitely carry over to fandom spaces but i don't feel like it's really been an issue for me so much as i've seen it become an issue for others; every once in a while i'll get a message that feels a little weird but i usually just ignore anything that does cross a boundary, because i know none of it is ill-intended.
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Parasocial stuff is still confusing for me, like what counts as parasocial. Is Tumblr a parasocial experience? Or is it just celebrities? We see the public stuff mutuals and fandom members put out and our brains go "hey friend" about it, does that count?
And the really confusing thing is that we have to make up all the rules, like how and when it's ok to communicate or just be there. I spent a looong time once trying to figure out the Tumblr etiquette of mentioning someone in a post and whether it was appropriate at all to do and I still don't know o_o
IRL people are hard enough to get already T_T
the panic over online interactions is so real like its the same for me as real life where in the moment i’m very “fuck it” but i stress about it before and after like DO PEOPLE THINK IM WEIRD AM I VIOLATING THE UNSPOKEN RULES OF ENGAGEMENT?!??
parasocial relationships being defined as one sided is strange in the context of online community? like the mutuals you don’t speak to directly (messages/asks what have you) vs the mutuals you do actually speak to- but in the context of a community that we have all opted into its so blurry?? but also the feeling of “oh a friend” without acting on it isn’t weird it’s just… the human experience of wanting to find people who are like you. The desire to slap ominous labels on different normal aspects of Just Being a Person man, like can i feel things without having to analyse them and categorise them, please? (i say while i aggressively analyse everything i think and feel- i’m a hypocrite as well as a little shit)
but also with mutuals on tumblr a thing im always very fond of is the anonymity of the whole thing. especially considering that lately the internet has been turning towards monetising your existence/ influencer culture - which is a whole other can of worms for the whole parasocial thing but luckily its a genre of content i dont really care about so i’ve not given it much thought. but yeah, love being able to be absolutely feral on here and it being an outlet for a very specific slice of my personality without being too “exposed”.
(even though i link my portfolio, look man being a freelance illustrator makes you open to whatever way you can be found)
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Hello 2023 and welcome to one of the new series that will become a regular on this blog~! I won't be focusing on any celebrities in particular, but more so the themes within pop culture, the entertainment industry, the world around us, etc. It's nothing new, but it's something that I always enjoy peeking at.
Chapter One's Subject (a request actually!): Will Celebrities Ever Stop Oversharing Online
Deck's Used: Mystical Mondays, Luminous Spirit, Astrological
X of Cups, IX of Wands Rx, X of Swords
Immediately heard ‘I’m bored’, how cute. Obvious signs of a cycle ending and starting a new one, but I think it’s similar to how fashion trends are picked up and cycled through. I don’t think they’ll stop oversharing but they’ll change the way they do it – at least for a good majority of them. What I’m seeing here is a mix of their label / company enforcing that ‘fanbase is a community/family’ idea, and also the actual influence of their family. So for some it can be that what their family members involve themselves in can cause them to pull back from media: they get into controversy because if their relatives do this then obviously you aren’t exempt in some form, they get tired of fighting because you can’t win every battle and you aren’t perfect, constant persecution, going offline unless you’re needed. For others, their fanbase get too comfortable and feel like there are no boundaries and if the artist tries to enforce them after a period of time, they get shit for it, and if they don’t others see them as weird – it sort of circles back into the same thing. For others (cause I only really pulled for general energy), it could be that something else grabs their or their label’s attention. Parasocial relationships are always a moneymaker but a lot of artists had to make their songs go viral on TikTok because that was quick cash, so it’s sort of like that. The celebrity themselves could honestly find more fulfillment offline (which will Still end in criticism, this is media) or another way to get clout will pop up that Doesn’t involve constantly being logged on. This X of Swords doesn’t necessarily feel like pain or betrayal it feels more like someone being pinned down to stay there and they’re not really fighting it, like they’re turning away from the situation and they’re okay with that, and they look just like the person in the IX of Wands.
King of Wands, Princess of Swords, The Devil Rx
Yeah, I can see the cycle will rewind again. They’ll be big and flashy but not without seeming out of touch or saying stuff that won’t catch legitimate criticism. Right now celebrities are, supposedly, trained in great PR. They’re supposed to relate to us and they can’t do that because you just can’t possibly do that once you get transferred into a different lifestyle. You may remember how you started which is fine, but you don’t live that way anymore, which is also fine. However the best image is always the approachable and relatable celebrity, everyone chases after it in everyone they follow even if they deny it. That’s going to go away, which means they no longer have to watch their filter or care for how much money they dropped on a pair of shoes. All the opinions you have of people who ‘aren’t as ethical as your fave’ might fall onto…well your fave, if they’re still around for this, I have to check timing hehe. However I think those battles of who is better than who will also thankfully go away with The Devil here, there’s no longer an obsession with these people because the perception of them has been shattered so while yeah, they’re big celebrities, it’s also like “oh yeah we are from two different worlds, their music is great though”.
Timing: VI of Pentacles Rx
Not gonna happen for a bit, but when the change does happen it’s dragged out? Like some people will still try to cling onto how things are being done now, but I feel like it’s more the label or company trying to keep the train going the same so they don’t have to rework images or anything (VII of Pentacles; yeah a lot of work behind the scenes to either rework a botched image or to figure out where to go after events have taken place).
Anything in particular to cause this?: VIII of Pentacles, The Magician Rx, Queen of Wands
Hm. Don’t like that lol getting a strong feeling that it deals with someone either being very vocal about how they’re very hands on about their work/production only for someone else to come out and tear them to shreds with evidence (hate this but it feels very much like whatever happened with the Beauty community on youtube but not…messy). The Queen didn’t really want to come out so I don’t think they’ll speak up immediately if this is what happens but when they do they’re gonna be pissed. Or another way to see it is someone seen as being very honest with their work and it turns out they’re sleazy (Venus) Hm Okay this is why I don’t like hollywood lol. I mean yeah this can stand for art, but with the Queen and then Venus I think this female energy is being taken advantage of (either their work or legitimately) by someone who has that ‘kid next door’ charm and then the ball gets rolling from there. Since I didn’t like this energy I just asked if everything will turn out okay and I got the VI of Cups. Mm because of the imagery it feels like an issue that gets solved over time (Justice isn’t here but like I’m assuming if it’s over time then legal issues, or if it’s emotional or mental issues then obviously-), and the other interpretation was that they have people in their corner that they’ve worked with before or that are really close to them that have their back so that makes me feel better.
That’s all! Thank you for reading and I hope to see you next time!
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last friday one of my oldest dreams came true and I saw green day live for the first time ever. they’ve been my favorite band for the past 12 years and they’d only been here twice during this time, and in both times I couldn’t go. it’s funny bc my fiancé whom I intend to marry next year and who I’ve been dating for the past 9 years is also a die-hard fan and that’s actually what brought us together but he also couldn’t attend their concert back in 2010. in 2017 my brother, who also considers green day their favorite band of all time (bc of my influence lol), couldn’t go bc of ENEM (the equivalent to SATs). this year we all made an effort to go and it’s so magical that it was a first time for the three of us and we could experience that together. it just made so much sense why I had to wait all this time to see them live. this was how it was meant to happen all along. anyway. I got so close to them I almost passed out just realizing that these people I’ve been loving from a distance for such a long time, these people who have actually shaped me into who I am today, who are responsible for many of the beliefs I hold to this day, these people who made me literally not commit suicide countless times — it was so weird realizing they’re real and not just a fantasy (sure part of this parasocial relationship is a fantasy but you know what I mean). they exist and they’re living breathing beings not much different from me. that was shocking to me truly. I’ve never experienced anything quite like it because this is my favorite band. I know every single song by heart (father of all doesn’t exist in my mind) and even though the ones I love the most weren’t played (except for jos, which was the most magical experience I’ve ever had) every single one of the songs they did play had so many memories attached to it, just so so so much meaning. little teenage raíssa feels so at peace right now. it truly is like checking something off of my bucket list.
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"Then doesn’t that just prove Jess was around to know what that fan did? Also it seems excessive to talk to her for 30 minutes as well."
I'm sorry if I pay to meet Jamie at a convention why am I talking to Jess for 30 minutes? She could be not telling the truth as you stated. But to take pictures with the person the celeb you paid for is involved with is bizarre. Unless both are celebrities or influencers, then that is weird. Anyone would see that is being fame hungry. Jess should not have done that. I don't care if her fans think it is cute or nice. Also, if someone is stalking your boyfriend down with marriage certificates then why are you posing in pictures with her? We don't know this chicken. She may be putting Jamie at risk. Her behavior is so self serving. I don't understand how some fans are hard-core always defending her.
You're right. Even if she didn't know about this marriage certificate thing (which I have my doubts about because Jess is always with Jamie somewhere at these conventions) it still doesn't matter. If she really did have a conversation for thirty minutes with one of his fans (especially that specific fan) it's not normal. Why would she want to talk to any of his fans that long and for what reason? It seems pretty invasive.
Also, if you look at that girl's TikTok account, the comments she left herself, and what others have said about her, I 100% doubt that girl didn't immediately say some creepy/weird shit about Jamie. Which you think would be very off-putting if you were dating him. A normal person wouldn't want to talk to Jess at all and if they did no longer than maybe a minute? What would you even have to say to her? "I love the way you fuck Jamie and your relationship is so awesome". How long does that take?
There's nothing else you can really say to her. Maybe you like her hair or the shirt she's wearing but then what else? How did that conversation last 30 minutes unless it was mostly about Jamie and why would she want to discuss her boyfriend with a fan? That's also weird. You're right about putting him in jeopardy as well. It's very clear this specific fan (and probably more) has a deep parasocial relationship with Jamie. By being that friendly and personal all she's going to do is make this person (or any other with the same issues) really feel like they know her and Jamie and are part of their lives.
Also wouldn't Jess feel very weird that this fan was in the same shirt as her which the girl definitely only has because Jamie has the same shirt? In fact, that may even be Jamie's shirt. I mean, if she knew about the marriage certificate or not it should have been obvious this fan has a really bizarre relationship with Jamie. Didn't this girl just get his signature tattooed on her arm like minutes before this? Nothing about this girl tipped Jess off? I get that Jamie "introduced them" but I think it was in an odd attempt to tell this girl "I'm taken" and to back off. I don't think it was with the intent for Jess to be best friends with her and pose for a photo.
It leads me back to the question I have...what is this girl going to do with this photo/experience when Jamie breaks up with her? Look back on this as a fond memory? Delete the picture and continue her parasocial relationship with Jamie thinking she stands a chance because she looks like Jess and Jess is clearly what he's attracted to so now she has even more of a chance? What is the end game for Jess to do any of this? Why was she not extremely uncomfortable? This is fucking bizarre for Jess to just be okay with when all the warning signs are right there in this photo.
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i honestly don’t think it’s normal for any influencer, celebrity and so on to be in gc with fans. not speaking only abt stas here but there’s a heavy and clear power imbalance and an unhealthy dynamic, especially when so much of influencers’ demography tend to be younger and impressionable fans. quite frankly i side eye any and every artist, influencer, celebrity, etc that are in gcs with fans/stans especially if those fans aren’t theirs per se but by association, which seems to be stas’ case. lbr here, if she n core3 fought and stopped being friends, she wouldn’t be remembered that much and her social media traffic would go down the gutter. like honestly do any of us truly believe those “stas fans” when they say they like her bc she’s “nice and a good person”? or do we honestly just think they subconsciously like her because she’s close to snc and pays attention to them and thus that automatically makes them feel like they’re the ones close to snc?
I agree. The whole gc with these young and impressionable fans is just...I don't know. Weird to me.
I mean, if you pop in once and say, "thanks for supporting me ❤," and then fuck off into the sunset forever, cool. That's really nice of you, and it probably made their day.
But to be habitually hanging out in a gc and, I don't know, gossiping with them?
That's like a teacher being active in a gc with their students. I don't care if anything outwardly bad is happening or not, there's still an ick factor there. It's definitely the power imbalance, like you said.
core3 gave me a chuckle. I thought their official name was "The Best Couple in the World Plus 1," but core3 rolls off the tongue easier. 🤣
I think there are a lot of people who started out as fans of Stas because of her association with, proximity to, and willingness share content of the Core3. However, I do think her engaging with a lot of these fans and paying attention to them, being active with them, encouraging them etc, caused some of them to develop a parasocial relationship with her outside of her connection to snc. There are a lot of people who glomb on to anyone who they feel is paying them attention and showing them the care they are so desperately looking for, and they develop these one sided familial connections with them as a result.
How many fans do you see saying, "so-and-so saved me?" As hard as that may be to believe with some of these social media influencers who do not produce content for a living, it's absolutely true. These influencers are giving these lonely people that feeling of family, of kinship, of not being alone, that they're searching for. They're finding it, in a one sided way, in these influencers.
Yes, even the ones who don't really do anything.
Which, to your point, adds to that power imbalance and is another reason there needs to be a clear boundary line between stan and fave.
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i think this idea that we can glean a whole and unbiased insight into anyone's life solely from their social media presence is a really weird unconscious bias in general. and i know that's in large parts because of the whole influencer thing and how people have started to monetize authenticity and parasocial relationships, but i think it's good to remind ourselves every once in a while that someone's social media account is only a small, curated and often highly edited slice of a person regardless of how "real" or personable or open they come across. including myself in that because i'm certainly not immune to it lol
#i feel like this IS a bigger issue for the younger generation tho#they seem very used to just putting their face and real name and all kinds of details onlinem#*online#for everyone to see#whereas i guess growing up with the Old Net made me a bit more of a paranoid motherfucker lol#txt
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"she fucking said it in the video."
Hm. Interesting. It's almost as if....
Actions speak louder than words.
Hey Other Anon, let's play out a hypothetical: let's imagine there's a person who's making a video promoting a brand of cigarettes in exchange for money, but in the video, they say "by the way I don't condone smoking."
Or if somebody's robbing a bank but then they say "now before this goes any farther, I gotta admit I don't believe in robbing banks."
Or even if somebody is doing something completely innocent like, idk, attending a party. But while they're at the party, they tell you "Of course, I don't approve of parties."
When somebody says something that contradicts what they are doing, that's called "hypocricy." You mighta heard of it.
You acknowledge that Arryn Zech was intentionally promoting a dangerous "weight loss" tea that preys upon suffering young women and contributes to a viciously unhealthy culture, and that she knew that it was wrong at the time (both because she was actually recovering from being preyed upon by that exact culture at the time AND because she specifically claimed to not believe in what she was promoting in order to cover her own ass from having to face the music) but she did it ANYWAY in exchange for money. That's what you're admitting to.
But since she said the words "oh btw I don't approve of this dangerous thing that I am deliberately selling to you," you refuse to admit that she shouldn't have done it.
I see that Anon 100% subscribes to the RWBY narrative of "whatever the *Protagonist* says is automatically the truth, and if it contradicts what you see on the screen, it must be your eyes that are lying."
One might argue that it's actually kind of weird, how much these stans treat Arryn Zech like some kind of fictional heroine who can do no wrong and whose only flaw is that she cares too much and is just too good for this cruel world. One might even call it, dare I say it, "parasocial," but here we are I guess.
absolutely all of this. arryn doesn't get to hide behind her mental illness or her "telling people that she doesn't support tummy teas" when she is doing exactly that, photoshopping her pictures & getting fillers while not telling her fans. these are all things a ton of influencers are getting called out for, not just arryn. lindsey in the 100 fandom also got called out for selling weight loss gummies so this isn't a targeted attack against her; the very first instances of this came from rwby fans who had eating disorders & were disappointed in her. now it is being used to show a very glaring hypocrisy in her behaviour & the fact that she lies as blatantly as she breathes puts everything she says into question; & this doesn't even address her other lies. the fact that she defaulted to blaming fans of her ex when the call was coming from her own fans shows a lot about her character.
nothing is her fault, & the types of fans that obsessively flood the inboxes, replies & dms of those calling her out like this weirdo has been consistently for a week +, do nothing but enable that harmful mentality she has. she hasn't worked on any of her bad behaviour; she just gives a myriad of excuses.
it wasn't really cheating, miles said it was okay, just ignore that he only said that after she cheated on him & he's a biphobic fetishistic incel.
she didn't really say multiple ableist things, she was just quoting the office. ignore the entire context around that quote & the fact that it was never just a one time thing & that she concocted a whole story of abuse just to cover the fact she was being called out for being ableist to her mentally ill ex who she praised to the high heavens while with him & shit talking her last ex. almost like this is a pattern.
& so many other examples. this is absolutely a parasocial relationship between her & her most deranged fans, just like the parasocial relationship between rooster teeth & their fans that means no one can criticize the show or even look at it wrong for fear of death threats. no one can criticize arryn's bad behaviour without being told they're "biphobic, ableist, abuse apologist" whatever & ever lmao. ignore the fact that she's all of that & more.
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