#watching fatws

[kayvsdoodles]

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#uh oh guess who watched fatws again. for the trillionth time. this bad television show where my friends sambucky live

[faeriecap]

what the hell is this???? did marvel authorize this bullshit??

#SICKENING #i just know the white dudebros wearing this one see steve rogers through whedons weird old man republican lens and have no knowledge of his #actual character or beliefs nor do they recognize any other cap ngl probably don’t even KNOW steve rogers real name #anyways steve rogers would throw a brick at a cops nose barehanded if given the opportunity #comics bucky would help! x #all three caps would hate this shit are you MAD #sam literally had an entire speech about captain america being for the people not the establishment #like did u even watch fatws or #not my captain america #as always: #black lives matter #acab #defund the police #i speak #tw police #anti mcu #marvel #anti marvel #anti disney #captain america #captain america shield

[logicheartsoul]

Bucky Barnes Being Distracted From The Fight By Watching Sam Wilson as Captain America

#tfatwsedit #bucky barnes #sambucky #tfatws #fatws #caatws #gif #my gifs #inspired by every post pointing out bucky was so distracted by staring at sam he almost got impaled by a piece of rebar lmao #finally i got this done and i leveled up my color correcting skills in the process #that dark blue filter overlay is just asfdjlkfasjklsfj but you know i'm proud of the clarity #the amount of screentime he just stands there watching is...so long

[kayvsworld]

everything i learn abt infinity war and engame makes me feel like i am actively hallucinating

#hi. i just spent an hour trying to understand steve's ending and i am laughing hysterically #HE WHAT. HE DID WHAT. HE WENT WHERE. WHAT #''maybe i should watch these to understand fatws/the next cap movie better'' #no false wrong faux incorrect. i was right in abstaining im allergic to time travel and i hate it thank you #very funny very very funny. why'd they do any of it. fascinating #i watched th. the. th. old cap scene old elderly cap and i do not know how to process this. real media that's real and exists #ANYWAY friendship ended with mcu avengers now avengers assemble/fatws is my best friend #jesus #kayvswords #I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND I DONT UNDERSTAND THE DIRECTION. OF IT. THE DIRECTION THEY WENT IN #also imma need to look up some stucky enjoyer opinions on this because hi. joint hatecrime movie #they killed my boy they killed that ship in a back alley. bewildering #ALSO I W. I WENT TO WATCH EXPLANATION VIDEOS ON YOUTUBE ABT IT #just confusedly typing ''captain america old endgame ending. explanation'' in my searchbar with increasing desperation #and this dude says that due to something something time travel. something something branching alternate universes #that thanos. dies in 2014 and there's a BRANCH OF THE TIMELINE #WHERE NOTHING POST CACW HAPPENED?????? #but we don't get to live there we have to live in the old steve dead tony dead nat universe. okay alright okay #anyway if i see endgame steve its on sight that mans an imposter and i dont trust him <3

[bisexualbuckleyy]

it’s so funny to me that zemo is all like “i don’t suppose either of you bothered visiting the memorial?” to bucky and sam like bestie neither of them were even there they had literally nothing to do with that

#yes i’m rewatching falcon and the winter soldier and also watching the boys and i can do two things #i’m also watching ted lasso with two of my roommates #and watching merlin with one of my roommates #i watch a lot of things #but yeah like i get where he’s coming from but it was not their fault #also because it bears repeating: FUCK john walker #god i hate that bitch so much #the falcon and the winter soldier #fatws #fatws series #tfatws #sam wilson #bucky barnes #helmut zemo

[itwasthereaminuteago]

Bucky trying to keep a straight face in public when you send him a video of fooling around with Matt in bed~

ARE YOU SERIOUS?!

CAN YOU IMAGINE THE CONSEQUENCES? WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WHEN HE GOT HOME AND- AND-

💀 🔥

"Thought you wouldn't mind..."

"Think again."

#omg i need to watch fatws again this instant #thank you again for this you always pick the best time to send these to me and im so grateful!!!! 💐 #howling

[eggbreadboi]

srry this is in reference to your tags on an old reblog of a post but i just wanna say like yes i agree so much!!, bucky barnes & steve rogers' stories and rife with trauma at the hands of being exploited by state(government) powers and (serious) writers simply CAN'T write a good story about Bucky and/or Steve without veering into deeply anti-American politics (ESP bc the story blatantly uses analogies of real life USA human rights abuses!)

too bad pretty much all of the marvel franchise in films tv anim/LA print etc can't ever actual commit to the inextricable politics of the story and try to have their cake & eat it too and p much every story circles back to "ooh we luv cap'n murica and his shield is the symbol of all goodness ooh 🇺🇸", and as such, Bucky and Steve's stories never get the actual exploration they deserve, because their too intertwined with being surveilled/exploited/experimented/incarcerated/monitored by the state and the marvel franchise can't commit to the politics of what that means

i mean... obvs the war stuff and human experimentation and torture and slavery are much worse abuses in the grand scheme of things, but writing this made me think of the D+ show scene where they literally have Bucky be monitored by the carceral state and have his autonomy denied in ways that is textually identical to how the real life US prison system abuses people... and yet it's framed as "bucky deserves it" unlike the good military man who's being inconvenience by this POW who was experimented on by Nazis hired by the military apparatus he works for. the D+ show acts as if the carceral state is benevolently "keeping Bucky in check".. like that's such an authoritarian & fascist & specifically American stance to take WRT the US prison system. all bc marvel can't stomach portraying the government's human right's abuses as abuses within their works. the franchise keeps circling back to defending the agents of the state and only giving grace when characters act as agents of the state and treating noncompliance/resistance to the state as character flaws to be grown out of at best

Ok first of all I am HONORED to get such a thoughtful and long response, I really appreciate the dialogue.

Here are more thoughts:

Marvel, as a whole, *wants* to tackle American imperialism, especially in the recent Captain America releases. This is a partially inescapable consequence of the original comics, which did quite a lot to critique the American system(ie. making Cap himself a fairly outspoken socialist), and partially just a result of recent social shifts. However, in the MCU mores than in the comics, this falls flat for a couple of reasons:

The Avengers, are, when you cut to the bone, an American paramilitary group, in the MCU (I would argue this is not as true in the comics, though it is less applicable.) therefore, any critique of the system critiques the very existence of the Avengers, and by virtue of yk.....storytelling and needing them to exist, the MCU cannot delve too far into that critique, lest its portrayal of the Avengers veer closer to the portrayal of The Seven and other villainous "hero" groups. The Avengers must be the heroes, and therefore the system that put them into power cannot be completely unjust.

The MCU resolves this by writing stories that emphasize WHO is in charge, not the system that gives them power. SHIELD is a threat BECAUSE it is led by Pierce after Fury's death.

Falcon and the Winter Soldier runs into this cognitive dissonance, HARD. In essence, because the villains are right. Not morally, ofc, but ultimately, the Flag Smashers, putting aside the murder, are working for the good of people, and the establishment is not. However, the establishment cannot be seen as the source of the rot, so:

In FA:TWS, Captain America is a threat, not because the concept of one man having so much authority is deeply horrifying, but because the man in the mask is Walker, not Rogers. An unworthy king cheating a just system, who must be replaced by the rightful heir.

Steve and Sam are good captains, and so is what they represent, because the values of the system are defined not by the system itself but by the symbol at the helm. ....Its an easy cop-out. "Sure, the results of the system aren't good" Marvel says. "But don't think about the system itself. If we have the right symbol at the helm, if you're responsible enough, compliant enough(don't get captured and brainwashed by nazis), everything will magically right itself"

In short: Helmut Zemo is right, and not just right, but illustrates the issue at the heart of Avengers stories beautifully. He's a refugee from a small, economically disadvantaged (putting Sokovia somewhere between Latvia: 2021 GDP of 39.85 Billion USD and Serbia: 2021 GDP of 63 Billion USD to the US's 23,315.08 Billion USD in 2021), war-torn country, that is completely destroyed by the actions of a United States paramilitary organization. His entire ideology boils down to "Supremacy is wrong, military interventionism is wrong". And because his ideology threatens the entire foundation of the MCU, the conversation HAS to stop at "he killed people, so he's wrong". The same applies to Karli. (and OFC murder is wrong, but we're talking their baseline ideologies) Marvel's storytelling falls flat because when the audience asks why these people did what they did, the writers can only shrug their shoulders and say "I guess they weren't good enough to believe in symbols"

Symbols don't feed families, and they don't repair wartorn land. Reparations do<3

#watch egg get on ALL the watchlists in one marvel post lmaooooo #I am itching to write smth that addresses this stuff...yk a fic or smth #sorry for getting so off-track from bucky and Steve lmao.....I watched FATWS again and its just another blatant example haha #but yes everything you said about Bucky #mcu critical #mcu politics #fatws #bread answers #hes not trigger happy if anything hes trigger sad #star spangled falcon #former father current pain in the ass

[thatwitchrevan]

It's not even just that I like Cloak and Dagger because I do or that it has better characterization than most of the MCU franchise put together because it does but honestly FATWS could lose against absolutely anything in the canon, it could be knocked over by the lightest breeze, it is such an utter waste of a show that She Hulk probably beats it in some way but I refuse to watch to find out. Putting it against Cloak and Dagger literally should be absolute murder and yet.

#honestly the only disney marvel series that could ever hold a candle to pre disney ones is moon knight okay #it's the only one that even tried. even showed up to the competition. even remotely #moon knight was good #for some wild reason disney decided to actually write a script for that one and that one only #also the netflix and other series aren't immune to stupid shit!!! #i hated jessica jones season two despite season one being absolutely gold! #defenders was honestly silly! #i will still not watch iron fist! #and runaways got so unbearably goofy in the finale arc #they would still absolutely kick fatws' ass without breaking a single tiny bead of a sweat

[bedlamsbard]

CATWS really does become retroactively a worse movie, not through any fault of its own, but because the MCU systematically blew up every single thing in it, only occasionally literally.  I can’t think of a single element introduced or established in CATWS that didn’t get torched by the MCU somewhere down the line, up to and including whether Nick Fury still has an eyeball.

#my feelings about captain marvel are that as an individual movie it's fine but it retcons literally everything about fury's backstory #that's established in catws. literally everything. #the hell was that. #sam doing mercenary work in fatws sits really poorly with me too #oh sorry 'military contractor' i think is the polite term #bedlam watches the mcu

[skeletonsinboth]

Very funny to me that Bucky never really liked Sharon 💀💀💀

#im watching tfatws finale and he made me laugh #but im not getting deep on this topic rn bc my thoughts are........ uhhhhh #bucky barnes #marvel #fatws

[quibbs126]

So out of pure curiosity, where exactly do we rank each of the MCU Disney Plus shows?

Like what’s the general consensus? Which is considered the worst, and more importantly, the best?

#I don’t think I can even remember them all #there’s been a lot #I’ve watched them all #but Loki was the only one I watched more than once #and that was bc my friend wanted to watch it but didn’t have Disney Plus #and we rewatched about half of moon knight #anyways #not counting ms marvel since that’s not done (and I haven’t seen past Episode 3) #from what I remember/gather #I think Falcon & the Winter Soldier is considered the worst #and Loki the best? #is that right? #well anyways #mcu #mcu disney+ #wandavision #falcon and the winter soldier #fatws #loki #hawkeye #moon knight #ms marvel #did I miss any? #if I did I’ll add them #questions #what if

[faeriecap]

SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK ARE THE NAMES OF BUCKYS OTHER TWO SIBLINGS DID MCU FORGET ABOUT THEM OR ARE THEY DEAD I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF THEY JUST GENUINELY FORGOT CONSIDERING THEY WROTE THEM INTO ONE LINE IN THE SMITHSONIAN VOICE OVER IN CATWS AND BUCKYS SERIAL NUMBER IN CAFTA INVALIDATES THE SAME VOICE OVERS CLAIM THAT JAMES BARNES ENLISTED IN 1941 AND ALSO THAT THE IMAGINEERS LITERALLY GOT THE LIST OF STEVES MEDICAL AILMENTS WRONG LIKE THEYRE JUST FUCKING GOOGLING SHIT ON MARVEL WIKI AT THIS POINT

#we can’t even get confirmation from a tie in comic or book??????? lord please 😭 #remembering when someone (i think cole) told me fatws writers admitted they didn’t even watch catws anyways 😭😔 #updated the post to make it more clear im specifically talking about the mcu storyline and not any others :) #i speak #bucky barnes #rebecca barnes #the barnes siblings #catws #captain america the winter soldier #captain america

[logicheartsoul]

Alternate shot of Sam Wilson Making His Speech As Captain America in Marvel Studios’ Assembled: The Making of The Falcon and The Winter Soldier (2021)

#tfatwsedit #sam wilson #anthony mackie #justsamwilson #tfatws #fatws #caatws #flashing #gif #my gifs #my coloring minimized the flashing as much as i could but i can't remove it completely so #even though this is a behind the scenes shot that camera in the front could be explained in universe as from a tv station and not a studio #or as i've like to joke POV: you are bucky watching sam giving his speech in front of the GRC (and the world)

[kayvsworld]

my problem is that fatws was not actually that good and i have infinite issues with it However. i desperately need another season oh my god

#i have a disney + subscription now against my fucking will and better judgement and. i am predictably watching fatws Again #and. I LOVE THOSE GUYS. I LOVE THE VIBES THE ENERGY THE CONCEPT #kayvswords #i think it's because like. it's slower than marvel movies are now bc it's a show #so they have more downtime and they pause and do things that aren't Move The Plot Along devices #so it feels like ur getting like. a phase 1 movie #idk idk i miss those dudes

[that-sokovian-bastard]

My very quick she hulk review:

I did in fact stay up until 2:40 am watching all of she hulk. I enjoyed it! Definitely a little different. I understand the cgi complaints but it wasn’t bad enough for me to bitch. I also 110% understand why the incels hate it, but I think that’s kinda the point.

totally on board with matt and jen. I hope she’ll get a lil cameo in the daredevil show :D also I LOVE Renee Elise Goldsberry and I am so happy with how much she was in this. Her hair and outfits were killer.

my favorite line was “we’re hulks, we smash things. Bruce smashes buildings, I smash fourth walls and bad endings. And sometimes Matt Murdock 🤙🏻”

#here’s my review no one asked for #she hulk #she hulk spoilers #marvel tv #marvel spoilers #not my favorite d+ show but I did like it. wandavision is still 1. then probably ms marvel then FATWS #the rest are tied #disclaimer I have not seen moon knight yet #and now I will be watching all of daredevil #(I’ve seen the first season. just gotta finish it)

[inconvenienceismylife]

Ryan… I think you missed the point of Bucky’s character

#I prescribe Ryan a rewatch of the Captain America series plus FATWS #man was literally traumatized and hated what he did as the winter soldier #it’s like he didn’t actually watch FATWS #about to be a fence rider after both of their takes #yes I am a Bucky stan #tumblr top 5 #sambucky #stucky #bucky barnes #bad take Ryan