@madharemuses replied to your post “((I have a headache so I'm watching an FE:Engage...”:
[I want to enjoy Engage. I like the art design, I like the characters, I like the gameplay, but for some reason I just can't really bring myself to enjoy it. Also, it lacks replay value compared to most previous titles, so I feel like I spent too much on it.]
@gensokyogarden replied to your post “((I have a headache so I'm watching an FE:Engage...”:
ENGAGE GOOD
((Ayyyy we have the big two(tm) opinions here! Joking aside, I reply to these responses in the same post because I want to share some general thoughts. I'm not trying to pit you against each other by highlighting your opposing opinions lmao. Even though it's been a few days, Engage has been swirling around in my head for about a week or so now, and I do want to give my thoughts to you two, who responded to me, at least, so that post I made doesn't just become a big jebait or whatever the term is. So, spoilers, Zane's thoughts, and etc. etc. beneath the cut. Oh yeah, and it's long so don't read it unless you want to know what I think of a game I've not played, that a lot of people have been dismissive towards.))
I am writing this across several sittings. At the time of writing this statement, I'm watching the Avalanche map, so basically I'm right near the end. (I've also seen some supports, but the guy whose playthrough I'm watching is doing them offsceen because he doesn't want to waste his audience's time with grinding.)
This isn't going to be a structured review, it's more of a slightly-edited thought-dump.
My overall thoughts of this game so far, which is an impression unlikely to change, is this:
Fire Emblem Engage is a game unfairly criticised as worse than it actually is. It's not a super good game, but it does not fall as far below the 'average' standards of the series as much as people say it does.
Before I get into the full swing of things, I need to offer a disclaimer: I am out of touch with the series. I've played FE3-12 and Echoes, which means I'm missing FE1, the game that started it all, and Awakening and Three Houses, two immensely popular games that made big changes to the way Fire Emblem works, brought many new people to the fanbase, and generated a lot of attention. (I also haven't played Fates, but it's a bit less relevant to what I have to say.) I have never been interested in Awakening or Three Houses, but they changed the Fire Emblem 'landscape' so much that I would consider myself out-of-touch simply because I haven't played them.
Addressing some common criticisms
The two main complaints I see first-and-foremost on the internet that dominate over the better-formulated criticisms are: It's too anime and the writing sucks.
Now, the anime thing is stupid. Fire Emblem has always been anime; it's a stale and tasteless counter-argument, but it's objectively true. Most Fire Emblem games at least partially reflect the anime style popular around the time they were made, and all of them draw some influences from anime in general. The designs are too colourful and fancy for my taste, but I still find them enjoyable (Chloe and Etie are probably my favourites? Not super fond of Etie's Archer outfit but the player I'm watching made her a Warrior and she looks fine). In fact, I think this design choice was good; they clearly wanted to deviate from the grimness and seriousness of Three Houses, and can they be blamed for that? Making that sort of story can get heavy at times, so for an anniversary game I feel like going for something lighter was the right choice. Overall, the presentation in this game is excellent; not enough to make me love it like I loved Echoes (which was carried by the presentation alone for me), but good enough that I enjoy seeing it on my screen.
The second criticism is the writing, which is semi-valid. It's almost-good in a lot of places, but there's always one or two tiny details holding it back in my eyes. It's frustrating, because I feel like Engage would actually be quite well-written with a few fairly small edits that remove some of the issues or make the stupid parts (Chapter 10-11 Time Crystal) less stupid. The issue I have with the criticism is not that it's wrong, it's that people act like all of the other games in the series are god-tier writing or something. This is objectively untrue; most Fire Emblem stories are fairly straightforward or cliche plots carried by a cast of one-note, but enjoyable and likeable characters. Liking the characters makes you overlook the flaws in the plot. Just think about how many Fire Emblem games are about awakening or summoning some kind of all-powerful dragon or dark god (or both), and then think about how often that actually bothers you simply because you like some of the characters.
Let's talk about the writing for a moment, since this is an RP blog and therefore revolves around writing
It sounds to me like Engage's writing is actually really average by Fire Emblem standards (it can't be worse than the GBA games at least, if you ask me) but it's issue is that it came after Three Houses, a game which tried to be very different from the rest of Fire Emblem when it comes to writing. I haven't played Three Houses but I have seen people react to it. The amount of time people spend debating and arguing over who's in the right or wrong, beyond just which lord/house they like, shows that the game provoked more thoughts from its players than just "Oh I like this character more than this other character." Engage clearly has not done this, and parts of it that could form a good running theme just don't quite connect. The dots don't quite link up and the stars don't quite align. It falls just short.
In my head, I'm comparing it with other Fire Emblem games and I don't think it's that much worse than some (fairly well regarded) entries in the series. For example, in FE7, everything Ephidel does doesn't really make sense since he's formenting a rebellion in Lycia to gather Quintessence for Nergal to summon dragons... even though Nergal already has enough Quintessence to summon a dragon. In Sacred Stones, Eirika is supposed to be the diplomacy route, and yet everywhere she goes, stuff(tm) happens and she gets dragged into fights because Fire Emblem requires things.exe to happen so that each chapter can be a fight. In Binding Blade, the big exposition was Jahn explaining Idoun's backstory... through the medium of Roy seizing like 20 thrones in one chapter. In Monshou, the big main idea of Hardin being turned evil was great and executed pretty well, but most chapters are "So you're fighting dudes loyal to Medeus or Hardin" and the story is mostly about Marth trying to figure out what's going on in Akaneia. It's not bad, but it's hardly some god-tier story that has the player hanging off the edge of their seat at every chapter.
By comparison, Engage has an issue with build-up and payoff. The payoffs are often good, but the build-ups often don't do them justice. For instance, Morion was a good payoff because while what happened to him was quite predictable, Alchryst and Diamant's boss conversations with him are great. What's lacking is the fact that he gets captured by Hyacinth like... one chapter after he's introduced, after raising a million death flags. If he had been a green unit (or even a playable character with a big "Morion will go back to ruling his kingdom after next chapter" warning, or his stats transferring over to Diamant like with Nils and Ninian in FE7) for a while to let the player get to know him better, then his death would have been more impactful. Let Alear agree or argue with him about certain things; Alear needs to interact with Morion's pretty strong force of personality (that I think is pretty well demonstrated, even if it's quite one-note, in his first appearance).
Likewise, Lumera died too quickly. We needed a few more chapters for her and Alear's relationship to ripen. If the game had opened with Alear sent to Firine (upon Alfred's request, to help deal with Corrupted and bandits), with Lumera accompanying them but not helping them in battles to help him readjust to being awake, then it would have probably worked out better pacing-wise. Little happens character-wise in those chapters, so slotting in some Alear-Lumera interactions would have helped establish Alear's personality and motivations for the rest of the game. After Firine, they could return to Lythos for a little bit of R&R with Lumera promising to teach Alear more about the Emblems. Then the attack happens, she dies before she can, and the game proceeds with Brodia after that. It makes Lumera more impactful because the player gets to see her relationship with Alear more, and it makes their feelings for her stronger too, since they now have time to experience how she's their mother and acts like it.
One last example I will give is Zephia. Her whole death scene is kind of invalidated by the fact that she's been speaking as if the Hounds are her family for the whole game. I think a little tweak could really have fixed it. Take 'family' to be the theme of the story; a lot of Fire Emblem games place emphasis on bloodlines and family. Engage could have taken that both ways: that sometimes, blood family is important (e.g. the royal sibling pairs in the game) but sometimes your found family is just as important (Lumera and Alear) and sometimes your family can be abusive and bad for you (Sombron and Veyle, Zephia and Marni). How does Zephia fit into this? Well, imagine if her dialogue was tweaked ever so slightly. The idea is that she misunderstands how family should be because of Sombron (what he said during the time travel part). She longs for a real family, but because of Sombron she thinks that family should be abusive. Seeing Alear and Veyle helps her appreciate what family should be, and she helps them because of that. She dies thanking Griss, and hoping that Marni will forgive her in the afterlife. There we go, a villain given a better redemption than the weird one she got in the game, and completing a theme/story/lesson for the game as a whole.
Zephia also suffers from the buildup thing. The Hounds have a lot of screentime but they don't really do much with it; Griss and Zephia get their motivations and backstories infodumped as they die, and Mauvier spends the first half of his appearances being all "I am a knight I follow orders" when he should have been dropping hints that his true loyalty was to Veyle, rather than just mechanically following orders. If some of that screentime had been used to develop that Marni wants familial love, while Zephia misunderstands what a family should be, and Griss thinks of Zephia as his mother/older sister but struggles to convey that since his world is dull when he's not feeling pain, then it would have made them more compelling than the four big mooks you knock over 13 times throughout the story. Oh yeah, and of course, they do the "I must retreat" thing way too often. Fighting them feels completely insignificant because they never die until they suddenly do.
Lastly, the characters are all quirky and... oh boy. I've seen people complain that the Engage characters are more one-note crazy than usual. That... doesn't feel true to me. They feel like they're less serious than usual, but that's Engage being light-hearted. I've seen serious stuff (Alfred's illness, Hortensia's feelings about stuff) but mostly it seems to be on the lighter side. I don't mind, but I think it should have perhaps been a bit more of a balance. I will say this thought: of the supports I have seen, character motivations at least seem to make sense and stay decently consistent.
Some of my other criticisms
I would argue that there are a few things holding the game back. The writing, I have already mentioned. While there are plenty of good individual moments, there's often a lack of good build-up or connectedness that makes the whole feel like wasted potential and staleness. The gameplay, I think might actually be the most tactical in any Fire Emblem game so far; you can't just air-drop a god-unit into any situation with 1-2 range as easily because of Weapon Triangle breaking, and chain strikes mean that positioning actually matters, and tanking isn't infinite. This might not be a good thing, however, as I get the feeling that the average casual Fire Emblem player... doesn't care about gameplay much. It can't suck, but a lot of the time they do just want to make their favourite unit into a god and drop them into whatever situation.
One of the biggest problems is the Emblems, however. They're not really written as themselves. They're more like echoes or shadows or ghosts of the character they're meant to be. They often feel like they were written by someone who'd only read a synopsis of what that character was like, instead of seeing and analysing them (which... is probably what happened). The Emblem ring bond supports are bland and soulless most of the time, with often no connection between the character and the Emblem based off their commonalities (though to be fair, writing 12 Emblem supports for each character would have been hell). Regardless, all of the Emblem characters feel way too superficial to actually matter most of the time, they mostly exist to reference their own games a lot or provide the same basic statements about things. The advice they offer in the story is... logical but kind of bland and uninteresting. Sometimes they feel right, but most of the time they feel... not very good, which is not great when they're meant to be a big selling point of the game. It's like the Emblems are supposed to make you so excited about seeing your favourite characters that you don't stop to think if they're acting in-character. I won't comment on them too much gameplay wise, since I think that as much as they are meant to somewhat represent their own games (e.g. Sigurd being mobility and canter, Lucina having dual strike stuff) there's a limit to what you can do since most Fire Emblem games play quite samey.
Another issue I think that Engage has is the lack of post-game. Relying on DLC and Multiplayer to create replayability for a single-player game is just... objectively a bad idea? It's not what people are mostly there for. Watching the playthrough made me think "If I were playing this game, I'd want to run some of the other characters in side battles to see their supports and find out more about them." A post-game would be good for that, maybe with a bonus series of maps like Thabes was in Echoes. As it is, I've seen no evidence of that sort of thing.
I want to say some nice things
So I actually quite like Alear. Not a lot a lot, but a fair lot, if that makes sense. Based on everything shown about past Alear, and the way Alear loses their memories, their character makes sense for most of the game. Past Alear was emotionally stunted because Sombrero is the worst Fire Emblem dad in the series, and present Alear has a serious case of no-thoughts-head-empty at the start of the game. Given that everyone treats them super well (worships even...), it makes sense for them to develop a positive outlook on life, a strong fondness of their friends, a solid sense of duty towards everyone counting on them, and also feel kind of creeped out at being worshipped. Alear also feels a little more complete as a main character to me, oddly enough? I haven't played those games so I can't say for sure, but Robin and Corrin both often gave me a weird vibe like they're meant to be the player's self-insert but didn't commit to it enough. Like they wanted to make a self-insert character but then realised they needed to insert more character for supports, interactions, and story beats. Alear, on the other hand, feels like they wrote a complete character and then had to shove the self-insert in, to their detriment.
I also need to talk about Yunaka. I think Yunaka did something no other Fire Emblem side character (non-main character) has ever done: she immediately made me want to read about her supports to learn more about her backstory. Most Fire Emblem characters show up and I'm like "Okay, so this is this character's vibe. I'll find out more in the supports, I bet." Yunaka though... as soon as I heard her battle/crit quotes and saw how much that differed from the quirky "OwO I am cute thief" personality she was projecting, I was immediately like "There's more here. I need to know what her deal is." The game immediately shows that she's good at acting, and as soon as you put her into combat you see a side of her completely different from the one you saw before, and that sparks curiosity. That's good. Fire Emblem doesn't do that, instead it tries to establish the one note that its one-note characters are based around in a good way so that the player knows what that character's deal is. This time, it did that, and more. I haven't seen all of Yunaka's supports yet, but I will go through all of them when I get the chance to. I must know.
The music and voice acting are pretty good. The presentation and CG art is good. I don't think I need to elaborate on this, I think they're presented in a way that accentuates the atmosphere they're trying to create most of the time.
I'm hesitant about this last bit, but I think the game conveys its characters well. This is something Fire Emblem has never really had trouble doing, so it's not really a thing in Engage's favour, it's just another thing the game is not bad at. The supports (or those that I've seen at least) are good at showing what each character's deal is. That's not hard to do, though it is occasionally not done well (Vaida and Dorcas... a support that shows what their characters are like, but repeats the same joke dragged out three times in a row without really resolving anything).
Edit: Oh, and I can't believe I forgot to say that the really cheesy and campy moments are amusing rather than cringe to me. I think they just barely toe the line at times, but like... given how often the games try to shoehorn the 'Fire Emblem' into it, this really isn't even the worst.
Conclusion
This is the part where I pretend to have a conclusion so it feels structured. I already said what I needed to say at the start, so this is the part I put a bow on it.
I feel like it's hard for me to assess this game. I haven't played it, and I haven't played Awakening and Three Houses, two games that I feel like probably influenced both the fanbase and Engage a lot. But I can't help but feel like it's better than all of the hate it gets. I don't really think it's god tier, but it's definitely not as bad as it's said to be. I think if I did have the opportunity to play it though, I'd enjoy it at least as much as I enjoyed FE6, FE8, and FE11. With the others I played, I think it'd be a bit more up in the air.
If I had to say though, there's enough problems for it to be disappointing, but enough good for it to not warrant the amount of hate I've seen. I feel like the hate it gets is often an instinctual rather than logical thing; rarely do I see people fully explain how they feel, and sometimes some of the people criticising it talk like they're series veterans but it turns out they've played like... 4 games. Still, I can't help but feel like if this game came out after Fates rather than Three Houses, people would have a better view of it.
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my ocs' enneagrams, updated mbti, moon and rising signs + more!
.. okay, let's just say that i do NOT know much about enneagram, i did read about it in the past and i found it very interesting.. but also confusing hfjdksdkls SAME WITH MBTI i'm sorry for being an astrology girl anyway, here's more random info about my ocs, including new ones!
their classes:
avery: 2-A in both rsa and nrc (classmates with austin, kalim and silver)
vance: 1-A (classmates with minnie, ace and deuce)
merrill: 3-B (classmates with cater and idia)
allen: 2-A (used to be classmates with avery)
roland: 3-C
fake!jay: 1-B
austin: 2-A (classmates with avery, kalim and silver)
minnie: 1-A (classmates with vance, ace and deuce)
hayden: 3-A (classmates with leona and rook)
riley: 1-B (classmates with jack and epel)
angel: 2-B (classmates with bunny)
bunny: 2-B (classmates with angel)
new ocs' mbti:
minnie: estj
hayden: infj
riley: intp (I RELATE TO HIM A LOT SO YEAH INTP IT IS and i think he really does have intp vibes?) (shares mbti with real!jay)
angel: enfp (shares mbti with allen haha red flag)
bunny: istj
their hogwarts houses:
avery: gryffindor (i used to think he's a slytherin tbh)
vance: gryffindor
merrill: slytherin
allen: slytherin
roland: slytherin
fake!jay: ravenclaw
real!jay: hufflepuff
austin: ravenclaw
minnie: gryffindor
hayden: slytherin
riley: hufflepuff
angel: hufflepuff
bunny: ravenclaw
their moon and rising signs:
avery: taurus moon, cancer rising
vance: capricorn moon, gemini rising
merrill: leo moon, scorpio rising
allen: libra moon, leo rising
roland: capricorn moon, taurus rising
both jays: virgo moon, libra rising
austin: leo moon, aries rising
minnie: cancer moon, virgo rising
hayden: gemini moon, virgo rising
riley: aquarius moon, taurus rising
angel: aries moon, pisces rising
bunny: taurus moon, capricorn rising
explanations:
in short, if you don't know, moon signs show what makes a person feel calm and safe and also it shows what's going on deep inside, meanwhile rising signs show how this person acts around people and which personality traits they show to others, basically it's how they act on the outside.
explanations for the moon signs:
avery and bunny are taurus moons (AYYYY ME TOO), so stability makes them safe and they hate changes. it's also hard for them to accept themselves and they should learn how to do that so that their lives can become easier and more peaceful.
vance and roland are capricorn moons, being useful to others is what makes them safe. vance really wants people to respect him and stop seeing him as this cute boy with a childish personality, meanwhile roland wants to be a cool upperclassman figure and simply a better person. they also tend to feel useless and unloved, especially if they get ignored by others (a reference to roland's club having not that many members and him being an abusive boyfriend in the past, also vance being treated like a child by others).
merrill and austin are leo moons and being praised by others makes them feel safe, however, when they actually do get the reaction that they wanted, they tend to feel lost and confused. they also have a deep fear of criticism and not being liked by others. i especially loved how one website said that they perceive everything as praise or insult, YES THAT'S HOW THEIR LOGIC WORKS
allen is a libra moon and being social and having relationships make him feel safe. however, most of his relationships tend to be quick and shallow and he ends up not feeling anything. also i read that libra moons have really good musical abilities and yeah, that's definitely allen.
both jays are virgo moons and what makes them safe is order and clarity. they also have some kind of a "hidden dark side" that they don't like and refuse to show it, even though it's not that dangerous, just a bit weird, but still valid. if they continue to hide it like this, it will get much worse and might actually become dangerous.
minnie is a cancer moon and what makes her feel safe is being surrounded by family (she most likely sees the ramshackle gang as her real family now), her home and domestic activities. she can be a good friend, but she also can be quite strict and it's hard for her to forgive people. other people also tend to rely on her a bit too much.
hayden is a gemini moon and changes make him feel safe. he also should learn to share his feelings with others to feel more peaceful. he's good at social situations and he can easily see right through people, but it's still hard for him to actually make friends. i also love how that same website said that gemini moons know how to keep a cool head, but their cold heart can discourage others, get it, because frozen and hans vibes jdkslslshsdj
riley is an aquarius moon and being surrounded by people who understand him makes him feel safe. he represses a lot of his emotions, mostly negative ones, which can lead to others saying that he has no right to get sad or angry when they display these "bad" emotions. he's also good at understanding people's motives and feelings and he really wants to be able to express himself freely.
angel is an aries moon and and they tend to do things as quickly as they possibly can, even if there's no deadline. they're way too energetic and don't know how to slow down. they also almost never feel pain and they can easily recover from their trauma, but because of that, it's hard for them to understand other people and they don't pay attention to their feelings and struggles.
explanations for the rising signs:
avery is a cancer rising and he is so emotionally vulnerable that he feels like he has to protect himself all the time and create a whole new personality, his "shell". he cares too much about his past and he tends to take things too personally. he can even become possessive if he learns to trust someone and falls in love with them.
vance is a gemini rising and he's a very curious type of person, who wants to learn as much as he can. gemini rising people also tend to have way too many interests and they end up being not particularly good at anything, but they still enjoy their hobbies and they prefer to have many of them, rather than just one or two. vance is also capable of understanding things very quickly and he's much smarter than people think.
merrill is a scorpio rising and he has this mysterious and charming vibe. he's good at making people reveal their secrets to him and do pretty much anything for him. he also can appear serious and even intimidating, but he definitely has a fun-loving and passionate side. in fact, he can even be too intense for some people. but he also has some mental darkness hidden deep inside.
allen is a leo rising. he's a creative boy and he desperately needs to be loved, understood and complimented. but the thing is that other people think he's too weird, so they prefer to simply ignore him. he's generous, talkative and optimistic, but he doesn't know how to be independent and he just hopes that someone will "fix him" one day. but if no one is coming to fix them, leo rising people end up feeling bitter and disappointed.
roland and riley are taurus rising and they're very patient and have this relaxed and chill vibe. if someone says anything bad about them, they just ignore it and don't think too much of it. they don't rush and prefer to slowly plan things out. however, they can also be so slow that they stop trying to change and become better, because they think it's pointless and they don't have any energy to continue. like cancer rising people, they tend to get way too possessive as well.
both jays are libra rising and they really need more balance and harmony in their lives. they like everything to be planned out and they can be so indecisive that they can ask other people to do things and decisions for them. they're mostly polite and friendly, but they also have a spoiled side and their expectations can be too high. if someone starts arguing with them, they feel awkward, they have no idea what to do and ask others for help.
austin in an aries rising, he's confident and has a really quick temper. he tends to make impulsive decisions and can be quite selfish sometimes. however, he is still a kind and understanding person and thanks to how hardworking he is, he usually manages to achieve his goals. he prefers to spend time with intelligent people who knows what he's talking about, because this guy is IMPATIENT.
minnie and hayden are virgo rising and they tend to criticize both themselves and others. they are obsessed with everything being perfect and they don't think that someone could ever fall in love with their imperfections. they're very logical and ambitious, but they also have a secret soft side and they actually can be very romantic and loving.. if only they learned to express affection properly.
angel is a pisces rising and OH BOY DO THEY LOVE ESCAPISM. they're very creative, just like allen, but they can also end up completely ignoring their reality and forget about other people who care and worry about them. they also have this obsession with fixing people and making them perfect, but they usually end up making everything worse.
bunny is a capricorn rising and she's a cautious and serious person. very organized, loves stability, but has problems with managing her energy, so she gets tired often. wants her efforts to be recognized and also tends to ignore her emotions and bottles them up. and when she finally lets them out.. yeah, it's not a pretty sight.
their enneagrams:
okay, so, i wrote their enneagrams like this: i wrote all three subtypes for each of them, their levels and what instincts are most and least important to them.
avery: (self-preservation + social) 4w3, unhealthy level: 7, (one-to-one) 6w5, average level: 6, but it becomes a 4 when he starts trusting this person more.
most important instinct: self-preservation
least important instinct: social
vance: (self-preservation) 7w8, average level: 5, (social) 7w6, average level: 5, (one-to-one) 9w8, healthy level: 3
most important instinct: social
least important instinct: self-preservation
merrill: (self-preservation) 3w4, average level: 5, (social) 3w2, average level: 5, (one-to-one) 8w7, healthy level: 3 (can be 2 at its best)
most important instinct: social
least important instinct: self-preservation
allen: (self-preservation) 2w3, average level: 5, (social) 7w6, average level: 5, (one-to-one) 2w3, level depends on the person and allen's mental state, it can be level 2 at its best and level 7 at its worst.
most important instinct: one-to-one
least important instinct: self-preservation
roland: (self-preservation) 8w7, average level: 6, can become 8 at its worst, (social) 2w1, average level: 4, (one-to-one) 2w1, average level: 5
most important instinct: one-to-one
least important instinct: self-preservation
fake!jay: (self-preservation) 5w4, average level: 4, (social) 6w5, average level: 4, (one-to-one) 4w5, average level: 4
most important instinct: self-preservation
least important instinct: social
real!jay: (self-preservation) 5w4, unhealthy level: 7, (social) 6w5, average level: 5, (one-to-one) 4w5, average level: 5
most important instinct: self-preservation
least important instinct: social
austin: (self-preservation + social) 8w7, average level: 5, (one-to-one) 7w6, healthy level: 3 (can be 2 at its best)
most important instinct: self-preservation
least important instinct: social
minnie: (self-preservation) 8w9, average level: 5, (social) 6w7, average level: 6, (one-to-one) 2w1, healthy level: 3
most important instinct: self-preservation
least important instinct: one-to-one
hayden: (self-preservation) 3w4, unhealthy level: 7-8, (social) 3w2, average level: 5, (one-to-one) 5w4, average level: 5
most important instinct: self-preservation
least important instinct: social
riley: (self-preservation) 9w1, unhealthy level: 8, (social) 4w5, average level: 5, (one-to-one) 2w1, healthy level: 3.. but can become unhealthy level 7 if he's pushed too far.
most important instinct: self-preservation
least important instinct: one-to-one
angel: (self-preservation) 7w6, average level: 5, (social + one-to-one) 9w1, average level: 4, but can become 5 or 6.
most important instinct: social
least important instinct: self-preservation
bunny: (self-preservation) 1w9, average level: 4, (social) 6w5, average level: 5, (one-to-one) 8w7, average level: 4
most important instinct: self-preservation
least important instinct: social
OKAY THAT'S IT. now, the explanations! feel free to punch me if there's anything wrong.
avery. okay, so, let's start with avery's instincts. his most important and well-developed instinct is self-preservation because OBVIOUSLY, he's a tsundere boy, he's trying so hard to appear cooler, he acts more rude and cold, he feels like he has to protect himself from others. his least important and well-developed instinct is social due to him not getting along with people and not really caring about it (or at least pretending not to care about it).
i think that avery is 4w3 because avery is actually a very sensitive and emotional boy but he's afraid of showing it. he really wants to express himself freely, but he's scared, he thinks that others won't like him and that's understandable, he's a rsa student, he's not a perfect prince that everyone wants him to be. he can be very mean, yeah, but he actually wants to connect with people and he wants someone to understand him, but again, he's too scared to open up. also i read that type 4 people stop noticing their good qualities once they start believing that there's something wrong with them and that's true for avery. for example, people think that he's very pretty and those who are close to him think that he's actually very kind and talented. but avery doesn't care about all that (or again, pretends not to care), he believes that they're either lying or making fun of him that way. what do you mean, he's pretty? he can't be pretty and even if he is, that's a bad thing because he was usually bullied or betrayed by good-looking people! he doesn't want to be like them! i chose 3 as his wing because of how avery is pretending to be a completely different person and him being worried about what others think of him. even though i like to refer to his behavior as him being a tsundere, avery is actually a very troubled and sad boy and this is why i think he's unhealthy level 7: he hates both himself and others, feels like he doesn't belong anywhere and he's ashamed of himself. now, let's talk about his one-to-one or intimacy type: 6w5. avery is a very loyal person and he will both defend and fight for those who are precious to him. he's loyal because he doesn't want to be abandoned or betrayed again, so he hopes that it won't happen if he treats that person as nice as he can, giving them flowers, sweets and all of that.. or if he just doesn't let them leave him. also, avery becomes more open about his worries and problems around people that are important to him. i chose 5 as his wing because avery is an introverted boy and also he has a fear of being useless to his loved ones. at first avery treats his loved ones very badly, he acts even more rude and he acts like he doesn't care about them, but if they continue trying to get to know him better, he will be much softer around them and his level 6 can go to 4.
vance. vance's instincts are pretty obvious, he's an extroverted boy, he loves spending time with people and he's good at it, so yeah, his most well-developed instinct is social! but he's also not very careful and he doesn't care about his health that much, so he's not good at self-preservation.
let's talk about his enneagrams. i don't think i should explain vance being 7w8, IT JUST FITS HIM SO WELL. also, if i'm not wrong, vanellope has the same type! can we talk about vance thinking that everything is a game as a coping mechanism and refusing to accept that his reality is actually really sad and 7's basic fear being pain. i think it's a nice detail. vance is a very optimistic boy, he finds everything so interesting and he's always ready to have fun! his life is an adventure to him, he hates doing boring things and he always needs to entertain himself with something. i chose 8 as his wing because TYPE 8'S FEAR IS BEING CONTROLLED BY OTHERS AND IT FITS HIM. THAT'S LITERALLY VANCE. THAT'S WHY HE WANTS OTHERS TO RESPECT HIM AND HE'S SO SICK OF BEING TREATED LIKE A KID. i don't talk enough about vance secretly wanting to be in charge and in control AND I SHOULD. this is why he believes that he's actually heartslabyul's "vice dorm leader number two" and he's so serious about it even though others still think that he acts like a child who wants to be seen as more mature. this is why he wants to believe that everything is a game, that would explain his struggles, it's all just a part of his character, eventually he will be rewarded for his suffering and if anything goes wrong, he can always load a different file! he just wants to be in control of something in his life. AND IT'S BOTH SCARY AND INTERESTING TO THINK ABOUT VANCE GETTING WHAT HE WANTED AND FINALLY BEING IN CHARGE. now, about his social type: 7w6. he's still a type 7, but i chose 6 as his wing because he cares about others a lot and also.. type 6's fear is being left without support and guidance. a reminder that vance still acts like a child around others even if he hates it, because 1) he wants to bring them joy and he knows that others like vance's optimistic and bright personality, 2) he simply loves the attention, come on, give him hugs and headpats, he's such a cute little brother and 3) vance knows that people will never take him seriously anyway, so.. why should he even try? let them think that vance is a kid who needs to be protected, let them take care of him even if he doesn't need it that much. now, the final type: 9w8. vance really does act like a type 9 around people he cares about, he's very supportive and understanding. but even if he trusts them, his 8 wing doesn't go away and he still wants to be in control, so.. don't be surprised when he suddenly reveals his more dominant and assertive side.
merrill. OHHHH I'M ABOUT TO PSYCHOANALYZE YOU SO HARD MY E-BOY SON. MY E-SON. okay, so about his instincts: tbh all of his instincts are pretty well-developed? but yeah, social is definitely the strongest one, intimacy comes second and self-preservation is the last one. yes, he's worried about people finding his account and learning about his real personality and interests, but i thought about it in a different way: merrill is ready to do anything to make people look at him. anything. even if it's painful, if he's not feeling good and he needs more attention at the moment, he will do it.
merrill's self-preservation type is 3w4. he has a strong type 3 vibe: he's charming, acts confident, but he's also very worried about what others think of him and wants to impress them. he can achieve great things, he really is talented, but he can't decide what he wants to be because if he really does become a model or he keeps posting his selfies, he will do exactly what his parents wanted him to do AND HE DOESN'T WANT THAT, HE'S A REBELLIOUS BOY, but also.. he wants attention. he needs it. if he has to use his looks for it, he's okay with that. he will feel disgusting, because again, that's what his parents wanted him to do, but he just wants to be praised and admired so much! i chose 4 for his wing because type 4's fear is having no identity and that sounds a lot like merrill. he already feels different from others and he feels like they will hate him once they find out about him "being a weeb" like idia and using his appearance to get likes, comments and attention. yeah, it doesn't sound that serious, but it's a big deal to merrill. but he still feels like he's missing something and he's not sure what exactly. his social type is still 3, but his wing is 2 this time and it's because i think that while merrill's self-preservation type is more focused on self-expression, his social type should be more focused on getting love from others. merrill's one-to-one type is 8w7 and he becomes much more confident around people he loves and cares about. he doesn't just act like it, he really does feel more confident! however, he still doesn't like to show his more soft and vulnerable side, but in that case he would say something like "i'm sure you can teach me to be more open, right?~". he also has some leader qualities and he's usually the one to be more dominant in romantic relationships. about his wing being 7, merrill has a playful and fun-loving side and he sure does love to show it to those who are important to him.
allen. I DON'T THINK I SHOULD EXPLAIN WHY HIS MOST WELL-DEVELOPED INSTINCT IS ONE-TO-ONE AND HIS LEAST WELL-DEVELOPED ONE IS SELF-PRESERVATION. he's okay with doing anything for his darling, hehe~
allen's self-preservation type is 2w3 and i think that's pretty obvious, he wants to be loved and he's trying so hard to find it because it makes him feel safe and protected. but eventually he gets tired of trying to find his true love and if his crush doesn't return his feelings.. OH WELL. he becomes much more aggressive and he really is angry about it, because come on, he tried so hard, he did everything for you, he gave you so many gifts, he was ready to die for you and you decided to give him nothing in return?? his wing is 3 because of his need for attention, compliments and admiration. he doesn't really pretend to be someone else though and i think that's what makes allen a really fun oc: while characters like avery or merrill try so hard to hide who they really are, ALLEN SIMPLY DOESN'T CARE. his social type is 7w6 and that's because he's a very cheerful and extrovrted guy! he also has a lot of talents, but he's way too focused on romance to work on them and develop them. his wing is 6 because of him needing support, but also being surprisingly reliable: there's a reason why jay respects him so much no matter what! his one-to-one type is also 2w3, but his level depends on his partner and his mental state, so you may either get a very loving and caring allen or a very unstable and violent allen.
roland. his most well-developed instinct is one-to-one because love and romance is actually much more important to him than most people think and his least well-developed instinct is self-preservation BECAUSE THIS GUY IS A HUGE PEOPLE-PLEASER. ROLAND I BEG YOU PLEASE TAKE BETTER CARE OF YOURSELF.
roland's self-preservation type is 8w7 which may sound surprising but it makes sense once you think about his past. roland was a very violent and cruel person, he cared only about himself and he didn't care much about what his girlfriend wanted. he was very controlling and he tried to hide his fears and insecurities that way. he was afraid of his girlfriend leaving him and other students thinking he's weak, so he had to "fake it until he makes it", hoping that he will feel confident enough one day and he won't have to pretend anymore. his wing is 7 because roland also used to be a very spontaneous guy who really wanted more exciting and unique experiences. can he become like this again even now? OH HE CAN, HE ABSOLUTELY CAN. in fact, he still feels like this deep inside. his social type is 2w1 AND I THINK IT'S PERFECT FOR HIM. a people-pleaser who's obsessed with becoming a better person, but also being needed and appreciated by others? yeah, i think that's 2w1 energy. his one-to-one type is the same, but it becomes more unhealthy and he becomes closer to showing his past personality to his loved ones.
both jays. both jays have the same enneagrams, but real!jay's enneagrams are more unhealthy. fake!jay's self-preservation type is 5w4, he's a very curious and smart boy, who's also calm and introverted. but he also has an eccentric and passionate side, though he's very shy about it, so he prefers to hide it. he wants to understand how this world works and learn as much as he can and he also wants to be useful to others. his wing is 4 because of him being a sensitive and reserved person, who wants to find a way to express himself freely. it's fake!jay's self-preservation type because this is pretty much how he copes with being a "not-really-real-person". don't get him wrong, he's thankful to real!jay for giving him a chance to live and not being real doesn't worry him that much, but it feels.. weird. so he wants to understand this world better, how can he make his experience and life more comfortable? how can he act more like a real human? can you teach him? real!jay's self-preservation type is much more unhealthy, he simply isolates himself from everyone and suffers in silence. he can even act rude and aggressive, rejecting potential relationships and connections. his family thinks that he's too dumb and he will never become as great and famous as them, why should he even try? why should he even leave his room? his case is not as bad as vance and merrill's situation AND ESPECIALLY HAYDEN'S SITUATION, his family still loves him, but they just.. ignore him. jay is not talking to them and if he does, he's just being mean to them, so why should they try to connect with him? both jays have 6w5 as their social type. both of them tend to doubt themselves pretty often and they may act anxious and indecisive around others. but they're still loyal to those they care about and their beliefs and they even have a rebellious side. though fake!jay's personality is more soft and polite, real!jay just has no idea how to socialize and that's why he acts like this. i chose 5 as their wing because again, both of them have strong type 5 energy, but if fake!jay is simply a curious person who wishes to know more, real!jay prefers to isolate himself and ignore others. their one-to-one type is 4w5 and i chose it because these boys show their more sensitive side to those they care about (it's especially noticeable with real!jay) and they're more emotional around those people, their loved ones can easily see just how much these boys worry about expressing themselves and trying to find out who they really are.
austin. yeah, of course his most well-developed instinct is self-preservation and he doesn't care that much about socializing. I DON'T THINK I SHOULD EXPLAIN THATBDHDJDJDK
austin's self-preservation and social type is 8w7 and i think that's pretty obvious. austin acts confident, he claims that he doesn't care what others think of him and he knows just how smart and talented he is, that's why he treats other students like.. that. what i think is very interesting is that avery also acts a lot like him, however, avery is more worried about expressing himself, showing his true personality and he pretends to be somebody else, meanwhile austin seems to be.. genuinely confident. he really does think he has a talent and that's not him pretending to be cooler, HE KNOWS THAT HE'S COOL. but.. is austin really happy about it? does he like fixing, inventing and all that stuff? he claims he does, but you can sometimes notice sadness in his eyes when he says that. also, his wing is 7 because austin is actually a very fun-loving boy despite him often spending days in his room and not leaving it. he just needs someone to invite him somewhere and if he does have free time and he finds it interesting, sure, why not? BUT YES BE HONORED AUSTIN HIMSELF DECIDED TO SPEND TIME WITH YOU. his one-to-one type is 7w6 and that's because he becomes much more active around people he loves, he pretty much has stars in his eyes every time he sees them. he gets so excited too, like here, look how many cool things he can do, isn't he so great? about his wing being 6: austin also becomes a bit more quiet around them, he even starts acting more shy. he opens up about his worries and problems, hoping that this person will understand and support him. austin is also extremely loyal to those he cares about, for example, he still wants to have a technology-related job because that's what his family wants and he loves them.
minnie. minnie, of course, cares about protecting herself the most, that's why she acts so strict and she refuses to open up to people. however, she's still quite extroverted, she loves to have fun and she can be a very good friend. her least important instinct is one-to-one because even though minnie absolutely can socialize (even if she acts mean to guys in the process), it's a bit hard for her to form more close relationships.
minnie's self-preservation type is 8w9, SHE'S ANOTHER ONE WHO ACTS COOL AND CONFIDENT TO PROTECT HERSELF. but what makes her different from my other kids is that she doesn't do that "simply because she's insecure", she's genuinely.. scared. it doesn't mean that others aren't scared, THEY ABSOLUTELY ARE, but it mostly comes from their insecurities or them simply having no idea how to act and how to hide their weaknesses. meanwhile minnie is terrified of having to go through the same thing again, she had to grow up too fast, so that she could take care both of her mother and twin brother because her dad left them and her twin refused to help. she knows that "not all guys are like that", but she can't help it, how is she supposed to trust them if most important male figures in her life left her like this? she prefers to act mean around guys, so that they won't hurt her anymore. now, let's talk about her wing being 9. minnie is actually a very caring person and she will help anyone who needs it (even if it's a guy, yes). also, type 9's main fear is loss and separation and.. yeah, that's definitely minnie. she's tired of conflicts, she just wants some peace in her life, so that also can be one of the reasons why she acts so tough around guys, she looks at them and she remembers being betrayed. she can't have peace in her life if they're around, she knows that it sounds dumb, but.. she's scared. also remember how i mentioned that minnie acts extremely nice around girls and people of other gender identities? YEAH THE THING IS THAT SHE HAD TO TAKE CARE OF HER DEPRESSED MOTHER AND LITTLE MINNIE DID EVERYTHING SHE COULD TO MAKE HER HAPPY. DO YOU SEE THE PARALLELS. so yes, even if minnie acts nicer to them, it doesn't mean that she isn't scared of them leaving her as well. in fact, she's trying to do everything she can so that they won't leave her. her social type is 6w7 and YES, i know that it says that sixes act like that because they're insecure BUT LISTEN, minnie dividing people into friends and enemies is very type 6 behavior. she often suspects others, has trust issues and it's hard for her to form relationships because of that. but she still has a fun side and she really does enjoy spending time with her friends, so wing 7 it is! type 7's fear of being in pain definitely fits minnie as well. and now, her one-to-one type, which is 2w1. minnie cares about people who are important to her greatly, but she has learned from her past and she tries not to be a people-pleaser, YES I MENTIONED THAT SHE ACTS LIKE ONE AROUND GIRLS AND EVERYONE EXCEPT GUYS, BUT. that's her way to protect herself, but she takes better care of herself around people she trusts. they're important to her, of course, but she also has some stuff to deal with! when she's free, she's okay with spending as much time together as they want! minnie really is a very loving person and i chose 1 as her wing because of her having perfectionistic tendencies and still having her strict moments even around people she loves.
hayden. hayden is VERY good at socializing, it's true, but i wouldn't say it's his most well-developed instinct. him being good at understanding people's motives and feelings actually has to do more with him trying to protect himself rather than socializing and making friends. hayden is actually terrible at forming meaningful friendships and other relationships, so.. yeah.
AURORA YOU WERE SO RIGHT HE REALLY DOES HAVE TYPE 3 ENERGY. hayden's self-preservation type is definitely 3w4, meanwhile his social type is 3w2 and i'll explain why. OKAY, I LOVE HOW HE HAS THE SAME TYPE AS MERRILL?? they actually really are similar, if you think about it! it's just that one of them is an e-boy and the other one is.. a cult member. so, hayden is pretty much a textbook example of a type 3 person: he's ambitious, charming, competitive, he's able to become anything other people want him to be. he needs attention, he needs people to notice him, he needs people to worship him. it's time to explain hayden's god complex: hayden was so sick of his older brothers being more smart, more talented, more loved than him, that he started to cope with it by convincing himself that they're actually worse than him, it's just that his parents can't see it. he also noticed how similar he is to one of the villains his family worships and was like "huh. interesting". angel also encouraged his god complex and was like "wow, maybe you really are better than them!". and now, the sad part: hayden was so obsessed with being better than his brothers (and later, everyone), that he started thinking he just needs to be worshipped and not loved. HE WAS SO WRONG, he simply didn't know about other kinds of love, he couldn't believe that someone could actually love him platonically or romantically. and even if they do, what's the point? he most likely won't care about it. so, why is his self-preservation type 3w4? because i think it should be more focused on self-expression. hayden changes his personality so often that when he finally has some free time and he comes back to his room, he just ends up sobbing on the floor, because he's so tired. yes, he can manipulate others and become their perfect friend, boyfriend, etc, but it's not easy for him. yeah, he definitely does have a fear of not having a "true identity", he's not sure if he even has one. he knows that his true identity is more bitter and cynical than others think, but.. what if it's not the real hayden? he feels different from everyone, he feels like he doesn't belong and he wants to believe that it's because he's just better than them, that's why he doesn't fit in. so for now he will continue pretending to be someone else, while still hoping that one day he will find a persona that he's truly comfortable with. now, why is his social type 3w2? BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS BOY WANTS TO BE LOVED. HE NEEDS IT. this is why he still has feelings for angel, they gave him the love and support he needed, even if it ended up destroying his already fragile mental health. he wants others to appreciate him, he wants to be complimented, but he's also.. scared of it. you see, when his family praised him or gave him physical affection like headpats or hugs, they usually did it before or after they hurt him. so if someone gives him the same affection, they most likely want to hurt him as well, right?.. well, that's fine, his pain tolerance is very high, he's used to it. his one-to-one type is 5w4 and that's when his loved ones find out about his real personality. if you take hayden's god complex and his ability to change his personality at any moment, you get a very sad and scared boy who prefers to isolate himself so that he won't get hurt and also because he's just so tired of everything. he wants to be more useful, he doesn't want to disappoint his family even if he hates them, but.. he just doesn't have any energy and motivation left. he's not lazy, that's just what his mental state is like. however, hayden is still a very smart boy who's capable of great things, so maybe.. maybe he will achieve something one day. his wing is still 4 for the same reason i've mentioned before.
riley. again, this is pretty obvious, this boy doesn't know much about love and romance and he doesn't really understand how it works.. though he's actually capable of forming stronger and more meaningful relationships than his cousin. but it's stiill not as important to him, he thinks it would be nice if he ever fell in love with someone one day don't worry honey you will, but it's not his biggest dream or anything like that.
riley's self-preservation type is 9w1. i'll explain why he hides his emotions later, but let me just say this: riley is a very kind and a very good boy, but he represses his feelings so much, that he's pretty much not able to function properly now. he prefers to block out anything that can make him feel any emotion and he just feels numb. he can't get out of his head, it's hard to make him pay attention to anything. but he's also worried about others thinking he's rude or mean. he's not a bad person, trust him!! it's just.. hard for him to understand how feelings work. he most likely knows about them, but he just doesn't want to think about them. it's easier for him just to nod and agree with anything others say, he doesn't want to tell them his real opinion.. wait, does he even have one? riley's social type is 4w5. he's an honest and understanding boy, but he's also so introverted and quiet that he can come off as rude. just like many of my ocs, he's worried about being able to express himself and he prefers to repress most, if not all, emotions. in fact, he got so used to bottling them up, that now he's not even sure if he ever did experience a real emotion. he most likely did, but he just.. got scared of expressing them. you see, riley is loved by almost everyone. his family spoiled him a lot, many students have a crush on him or at least admire him, teachers agree that he's talented, everyone loves him. except his cousin. and when little riley used to express his feelings, everyone would notice that and react to it.. not in the best way. riley is happy? let's make a huge deal out of it, riley is happy, today's a national holiday! riley is angry or sad? whoever made him feel like this should get punished! why should he show his emotions when every single time he does, people react to it like this? it's not a big deal, yes, he's happy, just smile at him and go on with your day. it's easier to just bottle all of his feelings up so that people won't notice it. his one-to-one type is 2w1. he's a surprisingly good partner, in fact, he actually understands romance better than allen does. he's caring, he's a good listener, he gives as much love as he can give. he's still a bit worried about being a good person though. his loved ones would probably prefer someone more emotional and sensitive.. ah, what's about his level becoming unhealthy level 7? oh, LET'S JUST SAY THAT BEING ALLEN'S COUSIN AND BEING A SPOILED RICH KID LIKE HIM DID INFLUENCE HIM. i mean, look at how he treats allen, he wants them to become closer, he wants to spend more time with him. and he also ruins allen's dates all the time and it's not just him being an annoying or dumb kid. so yes, we have a mix of kuudere and platonic yandere right here.
(angel and bunny's sections are a bit shorter because i made these characters very recently)
angel. they're a social butterfly, who doesn't care about themself, so yeah, that's pretty self-explanatory.
angel is actually very similar to vance: they're optimistic, curious, fun-loving, always ready to party and have fun. their self-preservation type is 7w6, they're very spontaneous, but also can be hardworking if they have to. however, they can also be very indecisive and they actually prefer not to think about their decisions at all and just go with the flow or a random option. is it because they're secretly very anxious and they don't want to make the wrong decision, so they prefer not to think about it? yeah, most likely. their social and one-to-one type is 9w1, they want everyone to have fun and be friends! and they will do ANYTHING to achieve that. if you decide to disrupt the peace when they're having fun with their dorm members, sorry, but you're their enemy now. they will also do anything to make their friends and loved ones happy. they will pretty much force them to be happy at some point and it won't be because they genuinely want to see them smiling, but because angel is just too tired of their loved ones being sad. it's bothering them so much, can't you put on a fake smile for them? don't you care about them at all? but deep inside, angel is also very worried about their own morals. are they doing the right thing? did they manage to fix their loved ones? angel hopes they did.
bunny. AGAIN. SHE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT PEOPLE THAT MUCH DHKSDKSLSLS
bunny's self-preservation type is 1w9. she's a serious and perfectionistic person and it's possible that she's acting like that because she wants to hide some of her insecurities, LIKE MANY OF MY OCS HJDJSKSK everything should be right, everything should be according to plan. oh, angel doesn't agree with that? OH WELL, IT'S THEIR FAULT. bunny is trying so hard, she's doing everything she can for this dorm, but angel doesn't appreciate her efforts! i chose 9 for her wing because bunny also really wants to have a peace of mind and inner stability. her social and one-to-one types are very different: bunny acts like a shy and quiet girl around most people, so that they won't know about her real personality, but she acts more confident around people she trusts and cares about, for example, she teases hayden and she's also pretty open with fake!jay.
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