A reply to a post I can no longer see
Congratulations on graduating from begging Gabe to reconsider breaking up with you and desperately trying to find an answer to what was wrong (other than your own mistakes) because your dating was the best happiness you've ever experienced to demonizing every aspect of your relationship with Gabe and his other partners to the point of lying to strangers on the Internet for sympathy.
Things you said that are straight up lies:
• You were not in a relationship with Gabe when Sam asked him out. He had told you about having a crush on you when you two met. You had a casual friends-with-benefits relationship from Gabe's perspective. Then he had his Pride date and later got with Sam and Hungeren. Only after then did you ask Gabe out and begin dating him. He did not "inform" you or "ask your permission" to be poly because you asked him out while he was already dating Sam and Hungeren, and your being okay with poly was implied by YOU asking HIM out.
• Gabe did not "only" accept Sam's asking him out to also get Hungeren, he wanted to date Sam at the time as well, but decided after dating Sam for a few months that they were not compatible dating and had a friendly break up.
• I (Kaitlin) was never not Gabe's QPP/life partner. He broke up with me due to badgering from our roommates and other stress and later resolved that he didn't want to end our partnership completely, just that he needed more personal space, which I agreed to. I was not his "roommate" during the first date night you mention, I was his life partner.
• All of us, Gabe and Sam included, all agreed that you got shunted on that date night. You were initially included and we all assumed you would be part of it the whole time, but Gabe made the mistake of lighting the fire, not thinking about it needing tending. All of us agreed that he fucked up in that instance and we all felt bad for your situation that night.
• The October event was initially planned on being a large group even with You, Gabe, Me, Hungeren, and one of your friends. He stayed by my side for most of the event because I would otherwise have been alone and I am disabled, and when I left to sit for a while you did get time alone together. This is also not the only date you got, as you mention in the next paragraph.
• You were not initially invited to the concert due to me being the one doing the inviting and I had expressed to Gabe (which he confirmed he brought up with you) that I (and others) were uncomfortable with the way you two acted together. Gabe didn't invite you because it was my event.
• Hungeren isn't the one who offered you Sam's ticket, Gabe is. You made a stink about feeling left out, which Gabe wanted to reconcile, and it worked out that Sam was not going to be able to make it. Gabe made the decision to invite you, with the agreement that you two would not be too touchy-grabby next to me and Hungeren.
• Gabe was incredibly affectionate at the concert and at dinner immediately prior. While you and Gabe found parking and walked back, he was affectionate and close with you.
• He did not ever suggest you were invading a date with his other partners. He brought up the date as an example of dates other than the previous one.
• You were not barred from seeing him in January, you just happened not to. He is busy with work and housekeeping, especially since I was under-medicated and having negative side affects AND we had two extra people living in the house who did not contribute to the chores. Gabe refused your visiting because he was busy with housekeeping and you demand his constant attention while visiting, often to the point of physically blocking his way to his chores.
• Gabe does not avoid you for "a few weeks" after VDay, you visited our house no more than 10 days later on the 24th when you broke down on the couch. He did not treat you coldly that night. You were actively trying to impede him doing chores, which is why he had previously denied your request to visit that day, and demanded his attention anyway. When you started crying about not wanting to go home, he consoled you and treated you kindly until you left.
• He was unable to schedule therapy the night he asked for a break because he does not currently have a regular therapist and it takes time to get set up with one. He has been actively seeking out therapy since asking for a break.
• He did not ignore you for a week and a half before you complained in his DMs about the break, you started complaining less that 12 hours later that same day.
• He does not blame you for feeling bad about the break or needing a place to vent. He explained further how he is not the kind of person who can provide attention at the frequency which you desired.
• He never said you were too immature for polyamory because polyamory is not about maturity. He said you were not fit for polyamory because of how you handled your jealousy toward his other partners.
• He said he doesn't "have the capacity to date" you because you asked for more attention than his other partners. Even while living with him, Hungeren and I do not ask for his attention as much as you did.
• He took me out on a "date" the next day because it was my birthday and he was celebrating with me. He initially was considering it being a group celebration but I wanted to not invite others because I didn't want too many people there and didn't want to specifically leave anyone out.
• He didn't "rip into you" for breaking down in his DMs. You asked him a direct question about what changed in your relationship between VDay and then, and he told you the truth in response.
• He didn't claim you were the "biggest issue" in your relationship. He said your needs were different to the point that he could not emotionally keep up.
• He had told you previously that his roommates were uncomfortable with your excessive PDA. He did so to attempt to establish a boundary which you promptly ignored (and blamed on my sex aversion which was not present anymore)
• He tried to set boundaries with you. He told you to chill with the PDA and you didn't. He told you he couldn't give you the amount of attention you requested and you kept on asking for it, every week. Also, how can you say he "never enforced" boundaries immediately after saying he never set them?
• Him asking if you would participate in his kinks is not pushing your boundaries unless you told him not to. You knew going in that Gabe enjoys casual/group sex. Him asking if you would be amicable to that is not pushing a boundary, especially when your response is "I'm not ready for that." Him asking again later is also not pushing boundaries because of your previous response not being a hard-limit setting. (Also, he was asking about group sex primarily for YOUR benefit, not his.) (He also has expressed that if he HAD pushed your boundaries, he would accept that as his fault, but he generally did not feel like you established that boundary.)
• He said he only dated you for easy access to sex with a safe person early in your relationship. It is completely in line with Gabe's personality and general attitude about sex. If you had qualms with it, you should have mentioned it to him directly.
• He never said he had to be high to feel like seeing you. He told you that he has a hard time socializing with anyone while not high, you included.
• He did not tell you to seek therapy "for being upset during a breakup." He told you to seek therapy because you have made it incredibly clear to all of us that you do not know how to process breakups, and that your previous relationship experience was potentially traumatizing to you. He firmly believed you needed therapy waaaay before breaking up with you.
• He said he was dating you for selfish reasons and you said the same back to him. Most reasons for dating, between most people, are selfish. People don't generally date for altruism.
• He did not get you kicked out or ostracized from either of the servers you shared. I was the one who suggested removing you from our house server, because several of us were not comfortable with your behavior since the breakup. The other server reprimand was prompted by other people who were also uncomfortable with your behavior since the breakup. Both of these happened without Gabe's prompting and were due to your childish actions.
Other issues with things you said:
• Gabe "showering you with attention" is not in contradiction to him establishing that he may be more distant with you due to his medical situation. He put forth the effort to be affectionate with you because he valued your relationship, and it is something YOU wanted from the relationship, not because he is naturally affectionate. He tried to establish a reasonable expectation for your future relationship, which you decided he didn't mean because of one weekend.
• Him letting you borrow a toothbrush because you were staying the night without planning is not an exceptional situation. That is a completely normal thing for even friends to do.
• Gabe slept through your Valentine's Day date because it was scheduled in the morning when he is usually still asleep due to late work hours. He has always had an issue with making appointments, particularly ones early in the day, and is something everyone close to Gabe recognized as a flaw of his, understands and generally plans for.
More context for other issues:
• Gabe never once tried to influence any of his friends/roommates opinions of Tony. He tried very hard to keep his opinions away from ours so we would potentially stay Tony's friend.
• If Gabe had known Tony was suicidal the first night they hooked up, Gabe WOULD NOT have slept with him then. He would have talked Tony through his emotions and helped set him up with medical assistance instead. Gabe would have recognized that sleeping with him in such a state would cause severe emotional rebound and unhealthy attachment to Gabe (as it clearly did).
• Tony blaming the general discomfort those around him felt towards his constantly groping Gabe on my sex repulsion is ridiculous because I had previously made a decision to stop being repulsed by sex, and by then had had sex with multiple people and no longer consider myself sex repulsed.
There's so much more to say about this but man. I'm tired of thinking about it.
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