So since the tinhats have to follow each other with everything, kfs has followed Abby with their own essay response to the same anon ask. So time for another tinhat breakdown!
I was going to respond to an ask and reply found on @ajw720 blog (reblogged below), however, I thought I would do so as a post.
Both the ask and the reply are brilliant and state the facts as we CCer’s believe.
Just because CrissColfer shippers believe something does not make it a fact. A fact is something that is proven to be true. Nothing tinhats say can be proven. It is opinion and conjecture.
I found this transaction had a peacefulness to it which stimulated thought. To me this is what supporting D & C is all about. The words are sincere and non-inflammatory while stating personal opinion. This is how, in my view, asks and replies should be – sticking to the facts as we know it, while trying keeping emotion out of it.
When have tinhats ever kept emotion out of anything? If you were keeping emotion out of it, you would not be so angered by the mere presence of a woman who has never done anything to you.
Now, don’t get me wrong. I know keeping emotions out of things is hard. We are all human after all. The question is, how do express them? Negatively or positively?
I have been advised by several CCer’s to ignore what many call ‘hate”, but I prefer to call it negative emotion. These types of emotions are often meant to provoke or will provoke an equal response. To be perfectly honesty, there are many of our posts which, I believe, impact us CCer’s in an adverse fashion. In my opinion, these emotionally charged replies or independent posts makes us look bad.
“I prefer to call it negative emotion”....is this tinhat trying to gaslight their own fandom? Is this what is happening here?
And FYI, every single Tinhat/ CrissColfer post makes you all look bad. Because every single one stems from hate and is based in insults.
That said, I have to admit, I found what I call CCland through a nasty tweet from M directed at @ajw720.
Does anybody have any idea which tweet they might be referring to here? I haven’t heard this fabricated story from tinhats before. Seriously, Abby would be screaming about this 24/7, if Mia had tweeted her. Unless, of course, Mia was responding to something disgusting Abby had said. Also doesn't Abby constantly scream not to contact the “players” directly? This story here does not add up- like everything else in CC Fantasy land.
I do no know if @awj720 responded to that tweet, nor do I know what M was responding to (therefore you were making assumptions on something that you did not have all the information about) however, it captured my interest. Such word (M’s) tend to be defensive and defensive people usually have something to hide. <---- This here is exactly gaslighting.
I searched for @awj720 and what I found gave me reason to stop doubting what I thought about D’s sexuality and his love for C.
You found other people willing to validate your fantasies without any actual proof.
I have been involved long enough to see what is being said on the many sides of the CC discussion. Those who oppose us, call us ‘haters’ and we call them ‘haters’. They sprout nastiness and we sprout nastiness. Lately I have been considering my place in this fandom. A few weeks ago, I posted about ‘Hate’ and I found it disturbing how some in this fandom allow their ‘hate’ of one person or a group of people influenced their responses and posts. Hate is a negative emotion which consumes and blinds. As a Buddhist it is an emotion which clouds the minds to bigger and better things.
If you are so opposed to hate, then why do you engage with people and blogs who do nothing but hate?
We state we are here to support D & C. What is support?
But you are not actually supporting them in any way, unless we are talking financially when you purchase tickets, books etc. You are sustaining them in any way, or bolstering them or assisting them, because you are not a part of their life.
When I look at this list of words, I do not see negativity. I see positive. In my experience, I have found that negative emotion tends to breed two things: 1) usually negative emotion, 2) and, perhaps later, compassion. Positive emotion has a habit of breeding positive emotion. Anything that is negative can be made positive with careful thought and craftsmanship of words and deeds. It only takes one rash action to take something positive and make it negative. Reaction with emotion is easy but turning it into something positive can be difficult.
Let’s just add lots of words, when only a few would suffice, to make me sound like I know what I’m talking about.
Seriously, how long is this post?
Trashing a bar because of who owns it or ripping at what one person or photoshopping trashcans on someone’s face does not paint a good picture of us CCer’s. All these things galvanize those who oppose our point of view making them angry and replying in kind. I am going to be blunt–it is childish. However, we can take the high road and make something negative a positive. That takes calm thinking and careful play with words. The idea is not to respond or post kind but to use calm, thought provoking words.
So you are calling out your fandom, but I bet you are going to continue to reblog the people doing these thing, thus reinforcing their choice to be cruel and nasty. This makes you no better than them. Practice what you preach, tinhat.
Supporting D & C is not trashing those who control him but rather by looking at these words and using them to advocate, sustain, bolster, buoy, stand behind the two of them.
Yeah, again, you cannot actually do these things because you are not really there for them. Your platitudes are all for nothing.
I see us doing this by highlighting the fact D loves to sing. C loves to write. They both love to act and have each won awards. Yes, D goes to that bar to sing but he loves to sing. I believe he is there as part of a contract, but it is love of singing and his fans which keeps him from losing it.
You do realise that you are speaking negatively about Tramp Stamp Granny’s by implying Darren is forced to be there? I thought that you said people need to be positive, not negative?
Yes, there are things D (and perhaps C) must do for the sake of his contract and that is what is posted the most on SM. We do not see D or C out there enjoying themselves -It is only tinhats who never see these two enjoying themselves because your intense bias prevents you from doing so- (especially with each other- ummm, never with each other. Because they have nothing to do with each other.), or with friends unless it has been approved for release. (Well, we might if some passer by happens to capture it and post it.)
I have to remember that the media industry and the entertainment industry walk hand in hand, and they will not post or print things which hurt their brands. Thus, the common people see the PR story and they have to look elsewhere for the truth.
“Common people”. More gaslighting here. The common people, who are below those in CC Fantasy Land, right? Because anybody who does not subscribe to your version of the truth must be lower than you, right?
They find us, and then they see the negativity. Does that excite the or turn them off? I can’t speak to that, but we have to remember these things. We have to remember we CCer’s are part of the PR apparatus, even though we are volunteers and not backed by a massive industrial machine. We want to have the other side of the coin out there, but we have to play the game as well.
And now they bring in the tinhat inflated sense of self-importance trope. Believing that they actually play some kind of role in Darren and Chris’s life. You are not a part of the PR machine. You are a small fandom, sharing vile lies and insults. You are not playing any game. You are not making ant kind of difference.
To that end, the ask and reply I noted above, is an outstanding example of good PR from our point of view. It did not make me angry. It made me think. The result is this post.
When it comes down to it who is right, who is wrong. While I believe D is fighting to have a bigger say in his public life, he has an uphill battle on his hands. We must always remain aware that only those personally involved know the truth.
^^^^^^^^^^^^!!!!!!!!!!!! In this whole long ass post, there is literally one sentence that makes sense.
They have seen the contracts and know what must and must not be done. Until we see these contracts, or it all becomes public, all we have is our interpretations of pictures, videos, and comments on SM. None of his will stand up in a court of law. But wait? Didn’t you start this post by talking about the facts that CCers believe? Are you now saying that none of you have facts?
Then I have to think, what D & C, their REAL friends and families feel about what we post?
1. Real friends? You just said that only the people personally involved know the truth? You have no way of knowing who the real friends are etc.
2. THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT WHAT YOU POST. THEY DO NOT SEE WHAT POST!!!!!!
Do they laugh or does he cringe because he fears the backlash? We have to remember that what we post has a ripple effect and we already suspect there have been repercussions.
There is no ripple effect and there have been no repercussions. You are not that important. Sorry.
I and others, have concerns matters will become worse as those who oppose our point of view dig in. Let those who oppose our views speak with negativity, because it only hurts them. Let us show them the other cheek and be crafty with our replies and posts. Again, this is a public forum and there are others, reading along or silently observing, who may or may not like the negativity. There are those who are watching our words for legal reasons such a lawyer from all sides. We must always be aware of repercussions.
Wait? What lawyers do you think are watching your words?
This does not mean we can’t state our opinions, but we need to do it carefully. If the end is truly on the horizon, we need to ensure we support D & C in a positive manner. A good PR team crafts the message with polish.
But when you state your opinions in a way that is cruel and insulting, that is a problem. And even if you don't say them directly yourself, when you are supporting those that do, you are validating them.
Now, to be clear, this post is a statement of my opinion and I know it may not be popular in some circles. However, I believe we be a positive force in support of our beliefs in D & C. If you feel your hackles going up, step back take a breath, have a tea and then go back to it. Craft your words well and with meaning. Do we always succeed in this, no. Am I innocent in curtailing my negative emotions? – HELL NO– Can I choose to change the way I respond to asks or posts – YES. Do I want to change – YES. I choose to do so because I think this is how we support D & C.
We have to remember, we are responsible only for ourselves, as individuals, because we have no control over what other individuals think or react.
Then stop putting yourselves in a position of responsibility over Darren, his team, Mia etc.
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I heard some s*ns*n shippers complain that their ship didn't happen on the show because D & D cast an actor who's twenty years older that book!S*ndor. But I also heard that GRRM himself approved of this casting choice and when fangirls protested about that in his LJ, he said that S*ndor is a lot older than Sansa in the books too. Could that mean that s*ns*n was never supposed to happen even in the books? What do you think?
Hi anon!
To my understanding, Sandor Clegane is in his late 20′s in the books where Sansa is 11. Sandor is about 5 years younger than Gregor Clegane, and the latter was 17 during the time of Robert’s Rebellion(which took place 15 years before the events of AGOT) when he was knighted. This would make The Hound ~27~ at the beginning of the series. ACOK(2nd book) would have occurred a mere year later making him ~28~ and Sansa ~12~ when the unkiss happened.
Considering the actor was in his late 30′s at the beginning of Game of Thrones I think 20 years is an exaggeration. Most of the characters were portrayed as older than they should be in the show, Ned’s generation especially. Sean Bean(Ned Stark) was in his 50s when they filmed the first season despite Ned being in his mid 30s in AGOT. Similarly, Peter Dinklage was in his 40′s when they started filming despite Tyrion being in his late 20′s and yet the Sanrion marriage was an important enough factor to include - the only difference being they didn’t make the actors undress and thankfully so for Sophie’s sake.
I don’t really get why they would complain considering I was under the impression that some of the sansan shippers claim they ship the older versions of themselves after a reunion where they would both be consenting adults. If that’s the case then an age bump would scarcely make that much of a difference. There are some things the show missed out in terms of how accurately shot the scenes they meant to replicate are, but that applies to the entirety of the show as well. The gist is still there, they wouldn’t have discarded scenes if it was that important in the endgame unless they knew they could afford to not adapt it. But I empathise with the disappointment.
As for whether or not I think Sansan was never supposed to happen in the books… that’s tricky. I never saw The Hound as a suitor for Sansa, he was always more of a character to shake her out of the disillusionment. Are there romantic undertones to him saving her from the mob and his interactions? Sure. But I fail to see GRRM’s romantic intent behind Sansan. So when you ask if I think it was never supposed to happen it’s not a straight answer for me because on one hand, I’m sure everything GRRM put into the books was done so with intent but as for Sansan developing further than what’s established, I see no narrative point.
Whether or not they reunite - which I hope they do too for the heck of it - is another issue but it almost feels as if that would border on fan-service, to have these two characters reunite and realise how much they both have changed. Admiration could of course follow but again, is there room for a Sansan endgame? Considering how important a factor Sansa is being the key to the north, and even if in the books Jon succeeds Robb as his heir, I have a feeling Sansa would still be made to embrace her title as the Lady of Winterfell - bearing importance on her claim once more. Would it be wise for her to enter a marriage with house clegane when she understands the importance and dire need of alliances for the north?
Much as I want Sansa to have agency(which she will, to a degree - much like Lysa Arryn had a choice) in choosing a suitor, I don’t believe she will marry someone solely out of love. Her arc has built her up too much and nailed in herself that her marriage would be done out of duty and the thing is, Sansa herself comes to acknowledge this in ASOS and decides she’ll make it work, “If I give him sons, he may come to love me.” She is content with her role and while the realisation that they want her claim saddened her in the beginning, she chooses to look forward to the life she can build with her future lord husband anyway.
**Similarly, in a case where Jonsa happens - which would, of course, be my preference - Sansa would first and foremost be marrying Jon after parentage reveal for the sake of safeguarding his position over Winterfell and The North, through her claim. This means that it’s a political marriage first before anything, but one exceptionally done out of love. Whether you choose to believe it’s romantic love(which would come at a shock considering they both were not aware of the prospect of a marriage between them until a few moments prior - though if there really was a repression of emotions not deemed appropriate which the books would make clearer, then parentage reveal would give way to catharsis), or a more platonic love that sees her wanting to protect him, love is still involved, and love can come into fruition after.**
In short I don’t see Sansan happening at the end of the series because I think that if Sansa were to survive, she’d have a much bigger role to play especially in the reformation after the war, and if season 7 was any indication to where her arc is headed(and I take this with a grain of salt), then I think we’ll see a better(because of her Vale plot) fleshed out version of this Sansa in the books to follow as well.
That being said, I understand wanting Sansa to ride off into the sunset with a lover of her choice, but that’s not likely to happen. I would remind you however, that with GRRM carving her out to be an unreliable narrator, Sansa seems to rewrite her memories with a romanticised touch - the unkiss being an instance - but this doesn’t mean the interaction between her and The Hound was meant to be taken by the readers that way because we know more accurately what happened. Sansa tends to avoid thinking of certain events and rewrites her memories, and that’s her way of coping with traumatic events whether she acknowledges it or not. GRRM does well in portraying ptsd and the different ways it affects his characters, look to Bran and how he cannot come to terms with his fall and can’t bring himself to piece together how it came about - freezing over and experiencing a knot in his stomach whenever it’s brought up.
I’ll leave you with this wonderful and thought provoking meta @shinynewrevulsions wrote regarding seeing Sandor Clegane and Ser Dontos - along with the other men in her chapters - and what they represent in Sansa’s arc :)
“I’m certain that, after re-reading the Sansa chapters where she interacts with the Hound, he is not supposed to be a character who is meant to be viewed in isolation from the other men in her story. It’s about the Hound and Dontos together, representing two extremes, one cruel and the other foolish. Both are drunks. Both guide Sansa through her journey. Neither are relationship material.”
Thank you for the ask! x
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Shipwars
Excuse me while I drink wine and nag at you bishes.
Seriously?
Shipwars?
In one fandom?
It's like cannibalism.
Am I making sense?
It has been spreading like fire in a fking forest lately that Jikook shippers are starting a shipwar among other ships. Are you really going to push that button child?
So far Jikook is one of the peaceful tree hugging ships I've met, they're only savage and wild when you provoke them. So why start a meaningless rumor? I mean we can all see the ASK Jikook shippers are getting from a "certain" ship spreading all negativity ever know to the world. (Whoever is sending those childish ASK please grow up or if you don't wanna, go to neverland bish)
Let's get things hard and straight dearies. Our ships come from ONE GROUP. They are a group. I repeat they are a GROUP. So what is the point of fighting over who belongs to who when they belong to the same realm and it is expected that they'll be close and cuddly and touchy.
I ship Jikook and I respect all other ships, Vkook, Vmin, 2seok, Namjin, Yoonmin, Vhope, Yoonseok. I seriously do not talk shit about anyone unless I'm pissed right off planet earth. I personally have no grudges against other ships since I know how they feel, I mean I'd go berserk if I see my ship sailing. If your ship isn't sailing at all, be a a good human and pray for it to sail rather than shooting bazookas at other ships.
Seriously people stop fighting over something as childish as this. If you have time to start a war in between ships, drag your ass out of the fandom because you are ruining it.
Now stop fighting and spread the love bts wants us to spread. Drag your asses to your chairs or bed or anywhere where you can VOTE for them on MNET.
If there's a war we should be fighting, it's not among our ships or fellow army, it's against that lying, unshaken, shamfull, cheating ass of a voting company who's dragging our votes along with its reputation. It's about time we prove them wrong for messing with us.
Seriously go VOTE and stop fighting, don't make me castrate you all.
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Appearing before the Dramacourt: Hwarang: Poet Warrior Youth Eps 13-14 (we decided to combine these two eps because yet again there wasn’t much happening in ep 13)
***If this is your first time browsing The Drama Files, please read The Rules section first for our reviewing and rating system***
Issues:
Whether armies are useless when it comes to hungry peasants?
Whether the Hwarang are actually useless?
Whether it pays to be nosy?
Whether the best way to flush someone out is to start killing people?
Whether anything has really happened in this drama so far?
The Rule(s):
Always. Look up anything in history. Peasant Mobs > Armies.
Apparently so. What were you guys doing while Scarface/Peasant Mob was stealing your food and gifts?
It never pays to be nosy. Minding your own business keeps you out of unnecessary trouble.
Not really. There are much better, more effective ways to flush someone out than killing people. Carrots > Sticks.
Again, not really. It’s been 14 episodes and the plot has quite literally CRAWLED. Nothing earth shattering has happened.
Application:
RedRosette J: Guys. Honestly, this drama is really starting to get on my nerves. Whenever I think of Mondays, I now associate it with Hwarang and the annoyance of having to watch it. It’s not cute anymore and it’s just dragging its feet. When you have a very busy schedule, this snail’s pace plot doesn’t help. Episode 13 was especially brutal and slow except for the major plot development as far as I’m concerned being the kiss that we were Ban Ryu-Soo Yeon shippers were all waiting for! Yay! Finally. It was a bit of an awkward kiss, but I love these two so I’ll take an awkward kiss over no kiss. And omg smiling Ban Ryu will be the death of me. Thank you. Other developments in episode 13 was this whole thing to send the Hwarang guys on a road trip with the Pointless Princess and Sun Woo getting more of an inkling of Ji Dwi’s secret.
Jubiemon J: I agree too that Hwarang is beginning to feel like a chore. After I finish an episode, I always wonder whether anything has even happened. I keep asking RedRosette this question as well. Has the plot even moved along? Nothing major comes to mind. Episode 13 at least had that cute kiss.
Girl who’s team are you on???
BOO!
This scene was super cute!
*rolls eyes*
Ye olde road trip
*squeal*
*even more squeals*
OMG that smile!!!
RedRosette J: Episode 14 was even harder to get through. The whole robbery thing and the evil Crown Prince and it was all so meghhh. The only decent thing in episode 14 was we got to see Soo Ho and Ban Ryu bond and it turns out that Soo Ho knows about Soo Yeon’s crush on Ban Ryu. Super cute these two. We also got to see Ban Ryu making the choice to stick with the guys rather than follow through with his dad’s nefarious plan. You Go man! #teamHwarang. There was some other stuff with Han Sung and Dan Sae and a bunch of stuff with the Queen that I just skipped (Ugh!).
Jubiemon J: Episode 14 . . . was cringe-worthy because of that robbery. Hungry peasants vs army . . . hungry peasants win? All of a sudden . . . Hyungsik said not to kill them and then they run off. Later at night, the peasants steal food and Hwarang did nothing? Huh?! What a mess! And now from light-hearted bromance stuff we were promised, we have the heavy political things going on. Aiya.
:)
LOL!
Aww look at you guys bonding!
Please just get over it and be friends already!
When you and your bro about to get told off by gramps…
Not totally cringey…
Issue 1: Whether armies are useless when it comes to hungry peasants
RedRosette J: I would argue yes. Angry peasant mobs are quite effective in achieving results. If anyone has seen any episode of Spongebob, they would know that those angry fish people mobs are super effective achieving results. Similarly, hungry and angry peasants are way more effective than armies. I would think that it would also render an army ineffective against them. That is, a well disciplined one; an army led by a tyrant probably wouldn’t give a shit and would just kill everyone, but one led by a leader with half a brain would be unlikely to kill off all the peasants. Also, if people’s revolutions have taught us anything, its that common folk do have the power to get what they want. The only caveat to this is that is almost always involves some sort of violence. or Twitter. So yea, arguably an army would be useless when confronted by hungry peasants.
Jubiemon J: I think so too. In the end, they outnumber the Hwarang. What bugged me here was that the peasants spontaneously backed away after Ji Dwi was saying that they couldn’t kill them. That made me think that it was pointless for the peasants to have tried to steal food. The next day, Hwarang peeps were saying how all the food was stolen… Okay . . . so you guys were in charge of guarding stuff and you just let them take things . . . ugh…. I mean I know the peasants are starving, but the way they phrased it seemed like Hwarang was totally ignorant of people coming in to steal things in the middle of the night.
Dem peasants tho
Issue 2: Whether the Hwarang are actually useless
RedRosette J: So there’s plot hole that bothers me in this. These guys are supposed to be the smartest bunch of people, yet they are outsmarted by Scarface and his posse of hungry peasants? Really? You expect us to believe that they left a whole carriage of gold and expensive treasures and food unguarded while they were on a road trip to a neighbouring kingdom who may have threatened war on yours. Hmmm. Let’s think about that for a second. Does this make sense? considering that these guys are supposed to be super educated and receiving all this warrior training that they would make such a rookie mistake? I’m sorry but if you really needed to advance the plot in this whole ‘lost everything while on the road’ direction, you could have done it so much better. Have the peasants steal while distracting them or something. This whole scene was iffy and wasn’t working. It made the Hwarang seem useless. If they can’t safeguard a carriage of gold, how are they supposed to safeguard a whole Kingdom?
Jubiemon J: Hwarang doesn’t seem to be very effective because as soon as they all hear that Aro is imprisoned, they start fighting the guards. Okay, Ji Dwi was like no, you cannot use your swords, but you are still fighting? Same thing as provoking some war? Ugh. Really, the evil Prince from the other country was right. They were all fighting for 1 woman that was accidentally imprisoned? Lol . . .
Nice move guys -_-
Issue 3: Whether it pays to be nosy
RedRosette J: No. This is like a basic grade school level concept: MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. Again, they have to go and make Aro a martyr character who makes friends with the “help” and tells stories to the “poor” and is so perfect and nosy that her nosiness gets her in trouble. Ugh. It doesn’t pay to be nosy. Why are you in everyone’s business? I think even if you had to be nosy, you need to think about it carefully before you act on it. Aro’s actions put everyone in jeopardy. There’s a difference between being a nice person and then putting an entire Kingdom at risk. I’m not a fan of Aro and her shortsightedness. *sigh*
Jubiemon J: I feel like Aro is the type of person that thinks she is super smart but in reality she is not. (Pet peeve here.) I mean look at V’s character. He knows he’s not as bright as others and accepts it. Aro, on the other hand, often has a know-it-all vibe. Unfortunately, she doesn’t think deep enough or far enough.
All this means is that you’re a gossip -_-
*rolls eyes*
This is what happens when you don’t mind your own business!
And this happens
Issue 4: Whether the best way to flush someone out is to start killing people
RedRosette J: Not really. Killing people just creates so much unnecessary drama and can cause international incidents. It’s one thing to try to get someone to confess to being the ‘Faceless King’ or whatever, but it’s a whole other story when there’s diplomacy on the line. In this case, the delegation from Silla went to Baekje to avoid going to war and if the psycho Prince of Baekje starts killing off citizens from Silla for a pointless reason, I think that that would be a reason to go to war. But then again, this is when it’s looked at from a modern diplomacy point of view. I guess during Ye Olde Times, a few peasants getting killed probably wouldn’t warrant an “inter-Kingdom” incident. I still think that there are much better ways to try to get the King to show his face rather than killing people. They could have taken Aro hostage (which is essentially what happened anyway. Those poor peasants were collateral damage *shakes head*). Or they could have induced him with some kind of benefit (not that that would happen given Ji Dwi’s character, but still it would be worth a shot). Regardless of the strategy, anything has to be better than killing people. It’s so extra and unnecessary.
Jubiemon J: I guess what the show really wanted to illustrate was how messed up the Prince was? There’s just more drama when you start doing mass threats. It’s kind of funny in a way because he went from . . . Princess, marry me and then after a few mins, he changes to . . let me kill all these peasants. -0-”
The delegation
The psycho
Issue 5: Whether anything has really happened in this drama so far
RedRosette J: Jubiemon and I were talking about this because we’re both so frustrated about how slowly this drama is moving and about how nothing really seems to happen in the episodes. The plot is very very slow and as for the significant developments, I can count on one hand the major things that happened. We’re currently at episode 14 and nothing mind blowing has happened. *sigh* It’s very disappointing considering that there was so much hype around this drama. I also recently found out that there are 20 episodes and not 16 like I had initially thought. OMG. I’m not going to be able to write anything decent on these posts unless the plot picks up in the next episode -_-
Jubiemon J: Yup, I’ve mentioned this before but this drama is just so boring now. I liked the bromance between Do Ji Han and Choi Minho, but now that there’s so much heavy political tension . . . *yawn*. I also think Aro and Sunwoo’s romance hasn’t even been fully developed or nothing interesting or cute has happened between them. Sigh. Can’t we keep it lighthearted for once? Skip the politics.
Our expressions are worse than this every time an episode starts
RedRosette J Aside: The only other characters apart from Soo Ho and Ban Ryu that I like are Dan Sae and the Old Helper dude. Hands up for awkward friendships!
Conclusion: Appeal Dismissed.
Rating: 2 = Yell At The Writer (Please write something, anything to make the plot move faster!!)
File No: Hwarang: Poet-Warrior-YOUTH-EPS-13-AND-14 Appearing before the Dramacourt: Hwarang: Poet Warrior Youth Eps 13-14 (we decided to combine these two eps because yet again there wasn’t much happening in ep 13)
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