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notalkingbusiness · 2 years

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TWD’s Women – Who Gets to Live?

In TWD, female characters are unlikely to survive if their connections to blood relatives or romantic units are severed. Even partial destabilization of the family unit is enough to set the trend in motion - if just one blood relative dies on-screen then the odds of a female character dying increases. It’s a subtle but consistent trend.

Take a look at the list below. . .

Some Notable Adult Female Character Deaths

S2 – Patricia dies following the death of Otis/her husband.

S3 – Lori dies following the death of Shane/her lover in S2 and the breakdown of her relationship with Rick in S2-S3 (Rick and Lori are as estranged as their apocalyptic living conditions will allow at the time of her death).

S3 – Andrea dies following the death of Amy/her sister in S1 and the breakdown of her romantic relationship with the Governor in S3.

S4 – Lilly dies following the death of Meghan/her daughter and the breakdown of her romantic relationship with the Governor.

S5 – Beth dies following the deaths of Hershel/her father in S4 and Jimmy/Zach/her romantic interests in S2/S4. Beth is estranged from Maggie/her sister from S4 onwards.

S6 – Deanna dies following the deaths of Reg/her husband in S5 and Aiden/her son in S5.

S6 – Jessie dies following the deaths of Pete/her estranged husband in S5 and Sam/her son in S6.

S7 – Sasha dies following the deaths of Tyreese/her brother in S5 and Bob/Abraham/her romantic interests in S5/S6.

S9 – Tara dies following the deaths of her biological family in S4 and Denise/her girlfriend in S6.

S9 – Tammy Rose dies following the death of Kenneth/her son.

S10 – Mary the Whisperer dies following her sister’s death in S9 and is estranged from Adam/her nephew from S9 onwards.

Listen, I get it, it’s a zombie show - people are going to die. And I’m not saying that it would have always made sense narratively to keep any of the above women alive. But do you see the pattern here?

In TWD, it’s strikingly rare for a woman to survive in the long term if she is not strongly linked to a stable familial unit or an existing romantic relationship. Remember that Carol was destined for the above list. The writers considered killing her off in S3 (no boyfriend/husband/partner & no biological family = fair game for killing off). Thankfully, the writers changed their minds and Carol has been allowed to buck trends and genre conventions over the show’s run.

Carol survives the death of her husband in S1, the death of her biological daughter in S2, the deaths of her adopted kids in S4 & S9, the breakdown of her marriage in S9, and she remains romantically unattached for large periods of the show’s run. This is unprecedented within TWD. Carol has survived against the odds, survived when so many other female characters have been killed off following the collapse of romantic/familial units. Note that by S10/S11, the majority of the other surviving adult female characters are either someone’s sister (Kelly, Connie, Yumiko), someone’s girlfriend (Princess, Stephanie) or someone’s mother (Michonne, Rosita, Maggie, Nabila, Pamela Milton).

Carol has been chronically underused in some seasons (S11 has been painful), but it is significant that Carol has been allowed to just survive for her own merits, rather than being promptly killed off after the deaths of her children. I appreciate that this is an incredibly low benchmark, and it speaks to how bad things are for female representation in post-apocalyptic media that I have to comment on this at all.

We shouldn’t have to justify the existence of female characters with “they’re x’s partner” or “they’re y’s mother”. Female characters like Carol are interesting and important in their own right. Out of curiosity, is the argument that male characters are too detached or isolated ever made? Did anyone make this complaint with Negan, a character that was biologically and romantically unattached (Savior wives and Alpha don’t count because they weren’t real relationships) up until he was given his insta-wife in S11? Did anyone ever make this complaint with Daryl, who has been unattached to blood relatives since Merle’s death in S3 and has been without a canonical romantic partner for the majority of the show’s run? I suspect not. And this is because we’re used to seeing standalone male characters on-screen.

Us Carylers obviously want Carol and Daryl to ride off into the sunset because they belong together and S10 reminded us repeatedly that New Mexico was their idea of a happy ending. It’s not because Carylers don’t appreciate Carol as an independent character or because we think that female characters only have narrative value if they’re paired up with someone.

Carylers recognize that Carol matters in of herself. I can only hope that the decision makers at AMC will be able to do the same.

#caryl

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luxeberries · 10 months

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jerry twd deserved his own origin story episode because like first off. how did he come to serve ezekiel in the kingdom. what were his motivations. like i could guess - ezekiel is a like-minded guy and maybe jerry was left without a purpose and he found one in being ezekiel's protector. but i NEED the full story. was it an immediate ride or die thing or was that relationship slowly built up? and secondly, who was jerry protecting before he found the kingdom? because that man is a PROTECTOR, he is built that way physically and emotionally. at some point he must have, in his eyes, failed to protect his people. he's alone in the kingdom, he only has ezekiel (and nabila, later) and when ezekiel is about to be killed, jerry literally CHOPS THAT MAN IN HALF with a warrior cry. he was not failing his people again. 'you dont need to call me that', ezekiel says, when jerry calls him 'your majesty. 'yes i do', jerry replies, hacking at steel chain to keep that man ALIVE. he doesn't truly believe that ezekiel is this Mighty King Figure as someone would traditionally see a king, but he does respect the fuck out of him and he allows the both of them to believe in the fairytale that they both need. u know what i dont need an origin story actually his behaviour tells me everything i need but he still DESERVED one because how do you live in that world and come out as kind and good and genuinely sweet as jerry he is everything to me

#twd #whenever i write a post about a character i like i always end up jus gushing about them #AGH i lovehim so much #he cut a man in half he sacrificed himself to find ppl that might have been dead already bc a little girl was worried #his hugs look warm and healing like his big strong arms could put you back together just by squeezing u tight #sobs

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letterstotheflre · 1 year

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nabila and jerry are top 5 twd couples btw

#i love them sm #tina watches twd

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ivegotalongmemory · 1 year

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Twd 11x23 thoughts (I know I'm not emotionally prepared for this) ((spoilers)):

-it doesn't feel like this is the 2nd to last episode, I can't believe it

-that shot of all the weapons in one box is iconic honestly

-lori, CARL, RICK AND MICHONNE mention, yeah I knew I wouldn't be able to handle this

-she put the hat on R.J's head😭

-rosita is gonna be a ruthless bitch this episode right? Please give me that

-oh dianne is here? Where has she beeeeeeen all this time

-that tiny little crumb of ezekiel saying goodbye to nabila and gracie?? Literally a crumb but I love it

-daryl literally cannot say no to Judith can he. And then there's lil r.j who just has to get passed around between the babysitters

-yay mercer go fuck shit up<3

-"is that your faith talking?" "In you, yes" okay look I never cared about rosita/gabriel but I have to admit that was cute

-i feel so bad for aaron and his lil group, like everyone else is back together and then there's these guys still out here, they better be back with the main group before the end of the show. Actually I just had a depressing thought, what if they all die and never make it

-"yet I smile" stop I will cry, ezekiel really did beat all the odds

-"you all are better than me" okay look I am not a negan apologist and I dislike how some people literally suck his dick and forget everything he did, but i do love his arc lately of being self aware and knowing that he did shit and trying to be better for no reason other than to be decent, that little conversation with ezekiel really did pull at my heartstrings

-omg did Maggie hear all that too?

-all these conversations about the Grimes fam are making me emotional

-lmao @ mercer and yumiko acting their asses off in front of this other commonwealth girl

-LYDIA OH MY GOD???? NOT HER

-oh my god don't cut to another scene and leave me hanging like that???

-jerry yelling "dude stop" in the most dire of situations is the most Jerry thing ever

-that scene was almost unbearable, wtf

-lydia is gonna regret all the time she spent hanging out with Aaron because now they're twinning

-jokes aside, oh my god, I mean I'm glad she hasn't just been killed off completely because it could have been worse but yikes

-so sick seeing the whole group working together to infiltrate, reminds me of the earlier seasons

-variant walkers u are cool but this is NOT THE TIME to mess things up

-oh no eugene is fucked

-oh he's not fucked, GO EUGENE!

-i love u jerry please dont die but also i feel like hes gonna because he just said the cursed words "see you on the other side"

-ahh yes the usual killing of all the redshirts while all the mains somehow dont get shot

-and now mercer being arrested? oh this is all going to shit isn't it

-i love a good gunfight though

-also just thought how terrifying it must be for connie who literally can't hear any of this???

-OKAY GIRLIES THIS IS WILD PAMELA WHAT THE FUCK??? Judith literally shoved maggie out of the way to save her?? Stop it rewind right now

-but love how everyone went absolutely psychotic trying to shoot Pamela after she did that, it's what she deserves

-negans reaction to the variant walker just about sums it up

-love luke running up with a smile but like sorry bro we don't have time for smiles and reunions right now

Okay holy shit this whole post was a mess but

-judith shot? everyone desperate to kill Pamela? some guy accidentally opened the gates and let the walkers in? the walkers climbing the walls? Everyone penned in surrounded by the massive horde? Mercers been arrested? Aaron, Lydia, Jerry and elijah all still out there somewhere? We still don't know wtf happened to the oceanside people? now this is the kind of absolute chaos I want for the finale! Also I'm so glad amc apparently aren't releasing the finale early because for once in my life I can avoid being spoiled a whole week early

#twd #the walking dead #twd s11 #the walking dead season 11 #twd spoilers #the walking dead spoilers #11x23

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akajustmerry · 1 month

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did you ship anyone else in twd besides richonne?

hello! I actually dislike/feel nothing about the great majority of romances on the show lmao, which I guess is part of why richonne is such a big deal to me. like, I know this is contraversial but.....I didn't feel any way about Maggie and Glenn (mostly cos I didn't and still don't like Maggie that much). I DID really love Jerry and Nabila 🥹 it's a shame they weren't in the show more! Magna and Yumiko were VERY cool, honestly the show's best gays imo honestly, they really tugged at my heart with how ride or die they were. omg I did love daryl and connie and thought they were cute, loved the chemistry between Norman and Lauren, and loved Daryl learning asl - but it was kinda obvious the show was too obsessed with daryl being a loner figure so I never actively wished for them to be together.

I know you didn't ask but I feel a mighty need to say there is no couple on TV I've hated more in history than fucking Gabriel and Rosita oh my GOD. they made no SENSE, the actors had no chemistry, the characters didn't even seem to like each other, and the show just had most of their romance happen off screen so we were just dumped in the middle of the most nonsensical pairing ever and we're expected to believe it? naur. not to mention nothing they did even mattered plot wise. literally my dad and I would fast forward their scenes because we found it so annoying. the only other couple in the show who I had a similar amount of genuine vitriol towards is shane/lori but at least they served a fucking narrative purpose.

#also I'm not a rick/daryl shipper but I respect their beliefs (bi rick grimes)#the walking dead

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onlytwdfanficstories · 3 years

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Friends and enemies part 7

Nabila "You must love your brother, right?"

Merle "Well, let's just say we're tense at the moment."

Jesus "Well, sometimes it can be. Especially if your brother is younger than you. Or I don't know if he is, but I assume he is."

Merle "Yeah, he's 5 years younger than me."

Jesus "That explains that thing."

Merle "Well, but we've been tense between us for a long time."

Jerry "Have you done anything to your brother?"

Merle "If you mean that I have been violent towards him, so I'm not. He's just angry about it when I have not been his support when he needed me the most."

Ezekiel "And it's because of what?"

Merle "Well, let's say that I have made wrong choices in my life and because of it I have forgotten him."

Belle "Did you use?"

Merle "I used what?"

Belle "Drugs, Did You Use Them?"

Merle "Yeah, I used and I'm not proud of that."

Belle "I can identify with your brother. My brother used drugs too."

Merle "Where is your brother now?"

Belle "He's dead."

Merle "The Walker?"

Belle "What about the walker?"

Merle "Did the walker bite him or how did he die?"

Belle "I wish It had been a walker, but no. He died of a drug overdose."

Merle "I'm sorry."

Belle "No, do not be. It was his choice."

Merle said nothing.

Belle "I'm just trying to tell you that maybe you and your brother should try to fix your situation."

Merle "I think it's too late already."

Belle "It's never too late to try."

Merle "Why try to fix what you can't fix?"

Belle "I don't know."

Merle "That's right."

In the meantime, on the other hand.

Andrea "Hey, has anyone seen Merle?"

Emily "Maybe he's still sleeping."

Andrea "He's not sleeping."

Alice "And how do you know that?"

Andrea "I went through all the tents and Merle wasn't in any of them."

Amy "He's definitely somewhere here."

That's when Jim came to them.

Morales "Good morning, Jim."

Jim "Good morning. Have any of you seen my wheelbarrows?"

Morgan's "Your Wheelbarrow?"

Jim "Yeah, my wheelbarrows. They're mysteriously lost."

Amy "How can wheelbarrows mysteriously disappear?"

Jim "I don't know, but that's what happened."

Andrea "Well, your wheelbarrows aren't the only ones that have mysteriously disappeared."

Jim "Has anything else disappered mysteriously?"

Alice "Yeah, so to speak."

Jim "Who else is missing then too?"

Emily "Merle."

Jim "Merle? He was Daryl's brother, right?"

Alice "Yep and he's gone too."

Morales "I flashed."

They looked at Morales.

Andrea "What flashed?"

Morales "What if Merle has taken those wheelbarrows and disappeared with them?"

Amy "I don't understand."

Morales "Don't you realize this combination? Lost wheelbarrows and lost Merle, it can't be a coincidence."

Emily "What the hell would Merle have done with the wheelbarrows?"

Morales "I don't know, I just said."

Rick walked over to them.

Rick "Good morning!"

Andrea "Good morning."

Rick looked at Jim.

Rick "Is everything all right?"

Jim "Yeah everything's fine, except that my wheelbarrows are gone."

Rick "That is not a big deal."

Andrea "It's kind of is."

Rick "What do you mean?"

Andrea "Well, Merle is gone, too."

Rick "Merle is missing?"

Amy "Yeah, it looks like."

Rick "And you thought Merle had take wheelbarrows along, right?"

Morales "It could be possible. I mean, lost wheelbarrows and lost Merle, can't be a coincidence."

Rick "But what the hell would Merle do with wheelbarrows?"

Andrea "That's what we'd like to know, too."

Rick "Have you asked Daryl?"

Jim "Not yet."

Rick "Maybe we should."

That’s when Daryl and Carol walked over to them.

Daryl "You should ask me what?"

Rick "Well, that Merle is gone and so are Jim's wheelbarrows."

Carol "Is that so?"

Rick "Unfortunately."

Daryl "Well, I have no idea about that."

Rick "So you don't know anything about it?"

Daryl "Isn't it obvious I don't know."

Jim "That's weird."

Daryl "What's so weird about this?"

Jim "Well, you're his brother, so shouldn't you know?"

Daryl "I might be his brother, but I'm not his damn babysitter!"

Shane "And some asshole has been drinking my beers!"

Rick turned to look at Shane.

Rick "Maybe you drank them yourself, but you don't remember it."

Shane "I haven't touched them, but someone else apparently is."

Rick "We have a worse problem than your lost beers."

Shane "And what problem could be worse than my beers?"

Rick "Well, the fact that Merle is gone and so are Jim's wheelbarrows."

Shane started laughing.

Rick "Shane, this is not funny."

Shane "You know how ridiculous that sounded? Lost wheelbarrows, don't bother."

Rick "It's not ridiculous if Merle is missing."

Shane "Well, maybe that wasn't, but it was ridiculous when you said that Jim's wheelbarrows are also gone."

Morales "Don't you realize Shane?"

Shane "Realize what?"

Morales "Lost wheelbarrows and lost Merle, can't be a coincidence."

Shane "But why the hell would Merle take the damn wheelbarrows with him? I don't realize that."

Amy "None of us realize that."

Morgan "Maybe we should go looking for Merle."

Jim "Hey, what about my wheelbarrow?"

Morgan "Also them."

Rick "We can't go looking for Merle or wheelbarrows now."

Morgan "And why not?"

Rick "Because I promised Maggie that we would be in their community today."

Anna "We're not going to stay there, are we?"

Rick "Unfortunately, we'll stay there."

Anna "Well, you can count me out. I'm not coming."

Rick "You can't be serious."

Anna "I Am."

Daryl "You can count me out, too."

Rick looked at Daryl.

Daryl "I don't trust them."

Rick "It's not about you or whether you trust them. It's about survival."

Daryl "You can still count me out."

Carol "Daryl!"

Daryl "Someone has to stay here if Merle comes back."

Carol "Well, if you stay, I'll stay too."

Daryl "You don't have to."

Carol "Well, like it or not, I'm going to stay."

Rick "All right. Let's do this Anna, Daryl, Carol and Jessica stay here and the rest of us go there. And if Merle comes back, you'll come there afterwards."

Jessica "Sounds like a good idea."

Then Rick looked at the others.

Rick "Let's go."

Rick looked at Daryl.

Rick "Take care of others."

Daryl "You can count on me."

Then the others went for a walk towards the forest.

Jessica "So, now we're just waiting, right?"

Carol "I think so."

Give "I hope Merle is okay."

Daryl "He always is."

Jessica "You didn't look worried when Rick said Merle is gone."

Daryl "I'm used to it."

Anna "Has he done these before?"

Daryl "Did what?"

Anna "Gone and lost somewhere and hasn't said a word?"

Daryl "Yeah, many times."

Jessica "I guess our siblings relationship is tense, huh?"

Daryl "Aren't the intervals between all the siblings sometimes tense?"

Jessica "I do not know about that. Because I'm an only child."

Daryl looked at Anna.

Anna "Yeah, sometimes my relationship with Rick is tense, but he's my brother and I still love him."

Daryl "I wish I could say the same."

Anna "So your sibling relationship isn't okay, I guess?"

Daryl "It's worse than okay."

Jessica "Do you want to talk about it?"

Daryl "Not now."

Jessica "Okay."

Daryl looked at Carol.

Daryl "You shouldn't have stayed."

Carol "I know, I still stayed."

Daryl "That you can admire my ass again, huh?"

Carol "Stop that."

Daryl "Admit it."

Carol "I don't admit anything."

Daryl "Admit it now."

Carol "No, I don't admit it."

Daryl "All right then. If you're playing a dirty game, then i let you know that I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty."

Carol "I see what game you're trying to play with me and it's not going to work out."

Daryl "You'll see that it works."

Carol "You and your big mouth."

In the meantime, on the other hand.

Jerry "Is your brother nice?"

Merle "Yeah, he is. We are opposites of each other."

Henry "Oh like Jing and Jang?"

Merle "In a way."

Siddiq "Do you still have a hangover?"

Merle "A little yeah."

Siddiq "When we get to camp then I will give you a nausea tablet and also a headache tablet. I am sure that you need them. "

Merle "I'd rather take something stronger."

Jerry "Like whiskey?"

Merle "Yeah, I'd rather have it than some silly tablet."

Ezekiel "You can't drink alcohol all the time. It's not good for you."

Merle "Well, I can and I will. And you can't do anything about it."

Ezekiel "Now I understand why your brother doesn't like you."

Merle said nothing.

Ezekiel "We're there."

Then they went inside the community.

Merle "I thought you only have a small camp and not the whole damn community."

Ezekiel "Why have a small camp when you can have a whole community?"

Merle stared at the buildings around him.

Merle "I could stay living here forever, really."

Ezekiel "Why don't you stay? Nothing stops you, does it?"

Merle "I'll see how things go."

Ezekiel "I understand, yes."

Merle "Did you build these buildings or were they here when you came here?"

Ezekiel "Half were and we repaired them and half we built."

Merle "Sounds awesome."

Victoria "We also have a small pub here."

Merle "That sounded tempting, but I don't think I can drink anything today. Maybe tomorrow."

Siddiq "I'll get you now a headache tablet and a nausea tablet. Wait for it, I'll be back soon."

Then Siddiq went for a walk towards the hospital building.

Merle "He's a doctor here, I guess?"

Ezekiel "Yeah, Siddiq is and he's also an excellent doctor."

Merle "Surely he is."

to be continued...

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