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rivertalesien · 9 months
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Kira throwing her coffee mug right into Dukat's face with total contempt for that sorry sack of shit is something DS9 could have done on a weekly basis and I would have lived for it every time
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writergeekrhw · 1 year
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ties of blood and water is one of my favorite ds9 episodes of all time do u remember anything from the writing process from that!!! the part where kira's dad keeps talking about how the cardassians destroyed his garden as he died and then we see kira bury him in this like patch of rlly rough desolate ground and then when she returns to bury ghemor Its Literally A Garden . She Turned It Into A Garden . that part had me actually in tears. i love the way the cultivation of the burial plot almost mirrors the treatment of the space station imho, the way it was this like rough around the edges place but so much love ended up being put into it that it turned into a place of love and everything. and im so glad ghemor got to come back for another ep! one of my fav characters <3 you guys really did a lot of great stuff throughout the series with the themes of loss and grief!!!
"Ties of Blood and Water" was very much about me processing my own guilt for missing my mother's death. I was at grad school in L.A. She was fighting colon cancer in S.F. The last time I called her to check on how she was feeling, she said she was feeling good and I should stay for finals week, then come home.
She died the next day.
I've always regretted not coming home early so I could see her one last time, and that's the basis for that episode.
As you can imagine, it was a tough and deeply personal story to write, and I'm glad it ended up as one of your favorites.
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The only time Weyoun drinks kanar, he doesn't enjoy it
(sure, this particular glass is full of poison, but I think he's really objecting to the kanar itself)
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Weyoun drinking poisoned kanar. "Oh my, that is quite toxic, isn't it?"
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savameh · 10 days
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so hypothetically what if I edited and posted a deleted scene I wrote from Ties of Blood and Water as a little one-shot treat
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sshbpodcast · 1 month
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Character Spotlight: Kira Nerys
By Ames
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We’re moving on in our character spotlight series from our favorite war criminal captain to one of the most well developed characters from the onset, Colonel Kira Nerys. From the moment we meet her in “Emissary,” we know exactly who Kira is, and the show wisely sends her on a complex journey within that grey area between terrorist and resistance fighter. Get you a Bajoran who can do both.
Ensign Ro may have set the mold for the Bajorans, but Kira grew outside of it and we’re so glad to get her perspective. So pick up your Bajoran phaser and get ready to take aim at some fascists as we celebrate A Star to Steer Her By’s favorite crinkly-nosed, red jumpsuit-clad militia officer in our Best and Worst Moments list below and on this week’s podcast (jump to 56:47). Walk with the Prophets, my child.
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What other show gives you a zombie space pope? There’s more going on for Kira in season one than for other characters because she really rocks it from the start. And Nana Visitor has the chops to give that special nuance to a character like this, especially in emotional scenes like her breakdown when she accidentally gets Kai Opaka killed in “Battle Lines,” and the moment she has with her reanimated corpse is nothing short of stunning.
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If I leave here, I’ll die Speaking of great moments from season one, Kira makes the hard decision in “Progress” to save Mullibok’s life by ruining said life. Over the episode, she bonds with the obstinate Jeraddo farmer by helping him build his kiln only to destroy it in the end and set fire to his house to force him to relocate, and it’s clear it tears her up inside. Bajorans really never win.
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Enough good people have already died. I won’t help kill another. But perhaps the best thing to come out of the season (and to some, the whole show overall) is her character arc in the stunning “Duet.” Kira spends so much of the show battling her Cardassian demons (figuratively and literally), that seeing her grow to accept that some individuals may be redeemable is captivating, heart-breaking, and truly impressive (and have we mentioned it’s only season one?).
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A new meaning to being selfish We would be remiss if we didn’t include at least a mention of the excellent and mesmerizing performance Visitor gives as Intendant Kira in episodes like “Crossover.” Say what you will about the mirror universe (and we have), but Kira is a wonder to behold and the chemistry between her and herself is like lightning in a bottle. Zap!
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Cardassians LOVE cosmetic surgery Speaking of mirrors, imagine waking up and the face looking back at you in the mirror is the thing you hate most. Kira’s relationship with Cardassians continues to evolve in the wondrous “Second Skin,” in which she bonds with her fake daddy Tekeny Ghemor, foils a Cardassian plot, and discovers a resistance cell within Central Command – her favorite!
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I was playing a married woman This is one of those cute little Kira moments from the show that tickles us, but in “The Way of the Warrior,” it is just too hilarious that her response to being wooed by Lancelot (assumably while playing Guenivere) in the holodeck is to slug him. It’s so in character that we have to applaud it. Kira is always the first to choose violence, after all, though sometimes that can be a downside.
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Major, tell me another story Kira spends the second half of “Starship Down” tending to a badly concussed Sisko, and working through character conflict. As I harped on in the Sisko post, Ben is double-fisting roles as both space station commander and Emissary to the Prophets, and that comes with deep significance to Bajorans like Kira, and this is her chance to talk to him about it. Love that for her!
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The life you’re choosing isn’t for her There are a ton of great moments between Kira and Ziyal, from saving her life in “Indiscretion” to encouraging her painting in “Sons and Daughters,” but the one we’re highlighting comes from “Return to Grace.” Kira sees that Ziyal is on a dangerous path if she stays with her father, and the bond they’ve established makes her advocate she move to DS9. There’s truly no safe space for the girl, but Kira does all she can.
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The baby just had a change of address Thank the Prophets the show didn’t introduce yet another baby when Nana Visitor got IRL pregnant. That’d be way too many babies, so it was rather ingenious to move the O’Brien baby over to Kira in “Body Parts.” And it also highlights just how like family this crew has become. Kira really takes one for the team by agreeing to incubate Kirayoshi for Keiko. Now if only their characters talked more…
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I owed it to my father to get it right this time Yet another great character-development episode for Kira comes in “Ties of Blood and Water” when she learns that Tekeny Ghemor – her fake dad and one of our favorite Cardassians! – was up to some shady stuff in his past. And while this alters the relationship between the two of them, Kira again accepts how he’s changed since then to be with him as he dies.
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Romulans gotta scheme! Come season seven, the Romulans have gotten added to the mix thanks to some nefarious doings by Sisko and Garak. And Kira is left to deal with their constant scheming. Typical Romulans! Throughout “Image in the Sand” and “Shadows and Symbols,” Kira stares down Senator Cretak in a huge game of galactic chicken, and Cretak blinks first.
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Don’t drink the Kool-Aid Our final great Kira moment is also the last time she ever sees Dukat. In “Covenant,” he’s leading his own little pah-wraith cult, and when the going gets tough, the tough gets really Jonestown-y. Kira literally leaps in and stops the whole assembly from ritual suicide, revealing that Dukat had a placebo pill for himself and he’d had them all charmed. Stupid sexy Dukat.
Worst moments
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Maybe the ends justify the means? One of Kira’s strengths is also frequently one of her biggest faults, and that’s how very wide her ethical grey area is. She’s able to justify doing lots of pretty messed up things, like a certain captain I could name, and we see this pretty early on in “Babel” when she intentionally infects Surmak Ren with aphasia disease and holds him hostage to find a cure. That’s pretty brutal.
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Bajor is not Kentanna For most of “Sanctuary,” it’s rather nice watching Kira befriending Haneek and the other Skrrean refugees. Until they express interest in immigrating to Bajor, and then Kira’s NIMBY side really comes out. It’s not a good look, Kira, especially for someone whose people were in a very similar plight until very recently. And frankly, Bajor could use the laborers.
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It’s like stepping on ants, Odo Because of that wide ethical grey area, we’ve noticed that Kira is almost always the first person to advocate just killing whatever the danger of the week is, no matter the consequences. In “Playing God,” an episode about killing Cardassian voles, she’s quick to jump to the option of killing the tiny proto-universe, even when Dax expresses she’s found sentient life in it. Yikes.
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The people have chosen Winn We know from “Battle Lines,” mentioned earlier, that Kira has a super soft spot for Kai Opaka, and also probably feels guilty for trapping her on zombie planet a little. But it’s just a bad idea to let Bareil take the fall for some shady doings in “The Collaborator” because it sets up Winn for the win (wow, I didn’t even try to do that) in the big kai election, lest she sully Opaka’s name.
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The distant memory of a touch It would be an understatement to say Kira’s taste in men isn’t great (and that’s not even including the fascist she ends up with!). The first of her various men is Bareil, who’s fine but boring as hell. Certainly not worth forcing Julian to keep him alive against all his medical ethics in “Life Support.” But Kira’s into the vedek, so we’re forced to watch her push his existence to the edge of morality and cringe at what he’s becoming.
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Do you like me? Check yes or no. Lucky for us, Bareil is a thing of the past by season four (for now), opening up the opportunity for Kira to make more bad dating decisions. While Odo weeps, she sets her sights on Shakaar in “Crossfire” and viewers at home roll our eyes at how high school the whole ordeal is. Why have these resistance cell leaders downgraded to petty relationship drama? It’s beneath them.
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Kira’s edgy artist phase We’ve said it myriad times before, but Bajor is a cultural disaster. When Akorem shows up in “Accession” and declares he’s making Bajor great again by reinstating their rigid caste system, it’s clear that Kira is uncomfortable but still refuses to oppose it. This is a Sisko episode, after all. Even though she can’t sculpt worth a damn, she goes along with the d’jarras like a sheep.
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A little lower While Kira is surrogating the O’Brien baby, she and Miles randomly develop feelings for each other only because of their constant proximity in “Looking for par'Mach in All the Wrong Places.” That’s just gross and unnecessary. Nothing again Miles, but men and women are allowed to be friends without wanting to bone. Maybe it was the pregnancy hormones.
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The phantom of Cardassia This one always bothered me. After several seasons of growth as a character, Kira seemed to have chilled out a little in her constant desire to murder Cardassians. So when “The Darkness and the Light” introduces a blast from the past whom Kira would otherwise have at least some empathy for, it strikes me as a character regression for her to fall back on thoughtlessly killing like she used to.
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Same face, different universe Kira regesses again in “Resurrection” when a new Bareil is barking up her tree. Oh mirror universe, what have we done to deserve this? Sure, mirror Bareil is at least less bland than the original recipe, but who the hell is this Kira immediately falling for a boy in less than a day? That’s just not the character (that’s Jadzia, if anyone, whom we’ll discuss next week). Kira’d kick his ass.
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That’s not what your mom said last night I may have given Sisko a little bit of guff for allowing this too, but I’ve got to give Kira even more. Whose first reaction when Dukat makes a yo mama joke in “Wrongs Darker than Death or Night” is to GO BACK IN TIME to check  on your mother’s sexual history??? What the hell, Kira??? Now the bigger debate is whether she should or shouldn’t have blown Dukat up. And fight.
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Foul ball! Finally, I need to continue venting about “Take Me Out to the Holosuite.” Somehow, Ben held tryouts on a station full of beefy Bajorans, and still put Kira on his baseball team when she can’t even catch a ball. Kira plays springball in her spare time. She’s a resistance fighter. She was raised to have street smarts. How in the firecaves does she not know how to catch a freakin’ ball???
Praise be to the Prophets, that’s all! Keep your subspace communicator focused here for more character spotlights. We have someone who’s multiple characters in one next week when we discuss Dax! You can also go to warp five with us in our watchthrough of Enterprise over on SoundCloud or wherever you podcast, grab some hasperat with us on Facebook and Twitter, and maybe take up sculpting if it’s something you’re actually into.
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“Ties of Blood and Water” is such an underrated episode. It is so heartfelt, emotional and complex that I don’t even know where to begin.
Kira’s obvious love and adoration of Ghemor, his return of the sentiment; two people that lost their family in the occupation and have found a new family in each other, with the beautiful parallel of Kira showing her not-father her not-son but both are her family! Her crippling guilt about leaving her father to die alone, especially with him repeatedly asking her not to leave, and how seeing Ghemor, her father figure and also a Cardassian, one of those responsible for the occupation and therefor the death of her family, in a similar state, and using his past as an excuse to not visit him in the end before changing her mind. The gentle way Bashir tries to coax her to visit and later his support of her facing her fears and her trauma, not just of her fathers death, but her own guilt associated with it. The beautiful, beautiful ending of the camera zooming out and us seeing that she has buried Ghemor next to her father, on the hillside that was once barren end empty, now covered in bright green grass and beautiful flowers.
I feel like it stands so symbolic that in the end, she also does it alone, seeing as the only person who had come to see her, Furel, has now also passed away. The resistance camp is gone, and so is Furel, and so is the resistance as the occupation is over, and Bajor is healing; grass and flowers flourishing over the once barren rockside, and we know, like it -- Kira is finally healing too. 
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Áustria is Liechtenstein's dad.
(Inspired by the lovely fic 'Ties of Blood and Water' by savwriting on Ao3)
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usstrekart · 2 years
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Watching “Ties of Blood and Water” (S05E19, Stardate 50712.5) this year brings a whole new perspective and appreciation for me. I have lost three family members in the past year, and I resonate so strongly with Kira in those final moments. The closure on Ghemor is solid and we get the return of Weyoun!
For my episode poster I went simple, focusing on Kira finally accepting her role as Tekeny Ghemor's surrogate daughter.
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bluebird-writing · 2 months
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😈 for the writing asks
And 🦅 too. seems appropriate for blue bird writing :)
😈 Has there been a point in a story where you did something just to be playfully mean to your readers?
I’d say Chapter 3 and 4 of Ties of Blood and Water are just that. Putting poor Roderich through hell hehehe :P (he only kind of deserved it)
🦅 Do you outline fics or fly by the seat of your pants?
I’m an outliner! The only exception to this is The Town of Anywhere, which isn’t fully outlined but I have the next 10 or so chapters outlined
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ioannemos · 2 months
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oh lord an uncle i haven't seen since my mom's funeral (going on six years) and haven't like. actually talked to for a lot longer than that messaged me on fb... he and his wife "would love to talk and see how [i am] doing"
and my gut reaction is "bro you haven't given a shit about me for years, possibly decades, why tf are things different now"
BUT
is that true? maybe he's cared this whole time and just didn't know how to start the conversation. that side of the family's kind of a heinous mess. maybe i'm mistaking my depression-induced apathy for a mutual dislike. i mean i'm pretty sure i startled my grandma at my mom's funeral when i barely tolerated a hug from her (oh boy are there some unresolved issues there still) so like. does she love me in some way? i don't want to explore what that would be, given i'm the daughter of her unloved daughter and that's saying something bc my grandma always loved her boys more than her girls...
idk. real life is sticky and unpleasant and i'm having a Real Hard time of things and also tomorrow is my birthday and i... i'm really struggling. i want to... be somewhere else. like heaven.
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Gifs just aren't enough. You have to hear Weyoun's deranged laugh.
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viriborne · 10 months
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Is it ever mentioned that Lilia has an aversion to garlic, mirrors, or water? Bc ik he’s like a pseudo-vampire
I know of his like of “tomato juice” and aversion to light that is mentioned as well as hanging upside-down like a bat, apparently keeping bats(? It’s shown in his battle sprite), and being a night owl. I’m just curious if there’s more stuff tying him to vampirism.
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savameh · 8 months
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So regarding Ties of Blood and Water, I chose to portray Roderich and Erika as autistic, at least in a subtle way. I don’t go out and say they’re autistic but I definitely tried to imply it (ex: Erika’s extreme shyness and meltdowns when she was a child, Erika’s intense stare, both of them stimming in the same way as children in “Guilt”)
I ended up removing the tag about it bc it had no bearing on the plot but yeah they’re definitely autistic in the story
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