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olderthannetfic · 7 months
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The main problem that I have with Youtubers who attempt to approach media analysis and fandom through theory and academia is that the vast majority aren't academics. Just being in undergrad isn't actually enough, contrary to the thoughts of many. Reading a Wikipedia article and reiterating what one may find in some Google, even Google Scholar, searches. Ideally, these would be topics approached by people involved in academia as a profession, people with doctoral degrees, who can discuss complex topics in a way that is easily understood by the masses. "What is the negotiation between gender and sex in BL?" "How does CMBYN articulate/complicate hierarchal roles within the gay novel?" "Could SnK express an alternative reading of the formerly isolated Japan?" These are complicated questions they attempt to answer in their video essays when they seldom ever understand the theories they employ.
Yes, I understand this can sound elitist, but as a Black afab person who is currently in a doctoral program for literature, there aren't "easy" answers to any of the questions they attempt to pose, and many Youtubers who primarily make long-form video essays lack the life experience and expertise to sufficiently discuss anything. They're usually too set in their thoughts to answer or explore the broader implications of their claims. Defending a dissertation forces you to do this. Forming a committee of experts in various fields and convincing them to aid you in the development of your dissertation forces you to do this. Being in academic and cordial communication with your peers from all over the world in your field forces you to do this. It's not easy to constantly intake new information from various eras and nations (depending on your topic), meld this information into a coherent essay, and continually make edits as you learn new information, thus changing your outlook on things. Also: it's really petty of me, but it's also incredibly annoying to grade poorly researched undergrad essays who, after some prompting in office hours, say they got these ideas on books, movies, and shows from breadtubers like Somerton, SZ, FD Signifier, or hbomberguy. Cue: me going to watch their videos and realizing they have no idea what they're talking about 88% of the time in terms of theory and application of said theory. Even the ones who frame themselves on being educators in real life, like Signifier, lack any nuance, depth, or media literacy to make a compelling argument if you know even the slightest bit of information. On the bright side, I now know why I've encountered several students with ideologies that are basically conservatism with a veneer of progressivism, or "conservatism in a queer hat."
This concludes my long-winded way of saying "Don't turn to Youtubers for media analysis. You're better off just reading articles by people who have to actually know what they're talking about. The majority of Youtubers (especially the breadtubers) don't have the bandwidth to discuss anything more complex than an episode of Blue's Clues."
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I mostly agree, but I'd point to a slightly different problem. I'm hesitant to say that the PhD itself is the deciding factor, but I do think a lot of video essayists are insufficiently prepared.
I'm a big fan of Folding Ideas who does have some formal schooling in film, but I don't think it's that education per se that makes him great. He sets himself apart from other video essayists by actually doing his research and having an in-depth approach to his subjects. He doesn't resort to clickbait, and—here's the key—he often takes months or even a year to work on something.
Honestly, I think that's a big part of it: the hoops most youtubers who want to make a living at it have to jump through involve a lot of clickbait and pandering and a fast production schedule. They don't involve reputable peer review except by the court of shriek-y public opinion on twitter.
They'd like to present themselves as documentary filmmaking (which is essentially what Folding Ideas' longer videos are), but they don't actually live up to any of the usual standards of that either.
I think it can be elitist to say that someone needs to have certain letters after their name, yes, but what really strikes me about your average youtube media analysis type and the fanbase is that they want shortcuts.
Exploring the whole history of the gay novel so that you have enough background to talk about CMBYN means reading quite a few novels. Even if you decide to throw out all past scholarly opinion on the topic (which you shouldn't), if you're going to have a meaningful personal theory, you need to have read a lot of novels first. How can you hope to be the person providing the neat overview of the whole genre if you haven't familiarized yourself widely with said genre, and not just through a summary by someone else? That amount of reading doesn't happen overnight.
The trite, surface-level media analysis online is often from people who want to be hailed as great intellectuals but who aren't willing to put in the years it takes to do all the background reading and to develop their skills in argumentation, writing, etc.
Grad school is a convenient and probably faster way to go about all that, but I think you could do it outside of a formal framework... But you would need to actually do it.
I think it's driven by a bunch of people who were The Smart One in grade school and never learned how to work hard on long-term projects instead of pushing through in a sprint. They're used to relying on being the smartest to cut corners and do things before they get bored, only they probably aren't the smartest anymore anyway, and they mistake being smart at one thing for being smart at all things.
There's a real lack of respect for the entire concept of expertise.
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silvyysthings · 12 days
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Hi, I’m writing bc I have to let go some things. Firstly, I’ve followed Tim since 2017/18 so I know all the ladies before KJ but this is too much. Maybe we perceive him wrong, maybe he is a hoe for good looking girls. In our minds he’s still a kid from CMBYN but he isn’t and he never was. Therefore, I think it doesn’t matter whether he really dates KJ or not bc it says a lot about him anyway.
If he does or not it still damages what he achieved, there’s a wave of hate and nobody is taking him seriously. I don’t understand why is he doing PR? Why an actor who is well paid, plays in blockbuster movies do this kind of shit? Not enough money? Not enough fame? What he wants?
I don’t believe he’s covering his sexuality or sth (he might be queer, I’m just telling this PR isn’t for that). Either he’s really in love with her (and all the girls before) or the only things he can think of are fame, constant rush around him, making more and more movies and be “the best” in Hollywood. Just as he would like to win a race you couldn’t win bc there isn’t a race. Maybe someone should tell him that being respected and making a good art is better than simple fame? Idk, it’s just my not-amercan-LA-cantered perspective.
PS I still have a soft spot him 💜 I’m not a hater, I just wanted to add something to discussion about him.
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I gladly publish your ask and I respect your thought that isn't mine. It's not his fault if we project on him our expectations. He isn't Elio and in the last wonka and dune promo he seemed to me the delightful boy he always has been obviously grown up and more guarded but it's normal. Let's wait to see
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sizzlingpatrolfox · 6 months
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Deleted an ask that was wondering why Jimin only ever recommends straight movies. My initial reaction was to reply that no gay I know watches or loves gay movies.
Right now, more than two days later of deleting that ask, I'm still thinking how no gay man I know loves gay movies 😭 This is not about Jimin anymore but about my Personal Opinions and Feelings as well as a general commentary about Life. It just got me thinking that gay men I know would probably say fight club is their favorite movie before even saying something nice about call me by your name.
They do love women in pop tho. That's a very well stablished stereotype for a reason.
As crazy as it might sound, the target audience for movies about gay men is... literally women lol. A huge % being STRAIGHT WOMEN, at that. They're the main audience and they're the ones who spread it all across the internet and make the movies/shows known to other people. There's a reason all those gay movies that have come out in the past 5 years-ish are so "male written by a woman" because that's exactly what they are lol. Written by women, for other women.
I like women but I don't like 95% of movies about lesbians, either. They're all BAD and BORING. Like portrait of a lady on fire? ZZZZZZ or the best thing about blue is the warmest colour being Adele's face and some of their promo photos:
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Bottoms is not even meant to be a serious a movie and it's, actually, a better movie about lesbians than most of the "critically acclaimed" lesbian movies.
They try so hard when in reality all we want is just How to Lose A Guy in Ten Days (objectively an awesome movie) Lesbian Version. OHHH and the chemistry. If you've watched how to lose a guy in 10 days you know what I'm talking about. The sparks 💘 These actors in gay roles don't have any chemistry at all between them. As good looking as some might be, they couldn't sell me a pen with their on-screen chemistry.
Chemistry doesn't even have anything to do with sexuality. Straight men can have lots of chemistry between them too. Joe Locke and Kit Connor are both queer but to me their acting is bland and uninspired. While Timothy and the other guy are both straight and I actually liked their chemistry on cmbyn.
My favorite movies haven't changed in 20 years, and pretty much all are straight movies. I didn't watch heartstopper when it first came out because I thought the actors were ugly and I only ended up watching it with a friend when we were both drunk and awake at night (it's a really cute show tho 10/10 for a quick, drama-free, leisure watch). Some of the lesbians movies I've watched, I also watched only because they looked attractive to me. Sometimes it's just okay to want to watch two pretty people kissing and that's it. I won't even get into the fact that gay roles (whatever the gender) seem to go only to straight actors, and maybe, just maybe the content is so bad because the acting is also bad.
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fanficandtheories · 2 years
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This is so not capri related AT ALL but I need to weep and I can’t think of a better way than moping on Tumblr. I read ‘Call Me By Your Name’ after a lot of deliberation. I never tried to read it because I didn’t want anything to dull the film for me. I never wanted to say shit like “the book is better than the movie”. CMBYN was the first film I truly deeply loved and cherished. I don’t know what that says about me, but I like it on an unhealthy level. It’s too precious for me and the idea that anything would make it smaller in my mind was so devastating.
Anyway, I did read it and you did not ask, but I will tell you (!!) the movie and the book fucking complement each other. There are a lot of plot points that are different and they work wonderfully in both ways. The movie’s script is obviously written with the intent to Please on a screen, but the book, holy shit the fucking book. No one, I mean.. absolutely no one has the right to do that to me. It’s so brutally offensive how Andre Aciman made me weep… weep through the end of it... The fucking audacity to write the way he did… nuh-uh.
The writing is too beautiful, Elio is even more relatable and loveable. You see a lot of things you don’t in the film, the more evasive ideas, they’re detailed in Elio’s narration. It’s too GOOD to be a real book. And not to mention, when my imagination failed to capture the beauty of a scene, guess what, my memory of the movie provided it!! Fucking hell. So it’s easy to break down and cry over the overwhelming flood of emotions in my throat.
Emotional wreck, forever moping woman. That’s what I am reduced to now.
Between this and getting turned on by ‘girl in redI’, I’m starting to question my sexuality, well, nvm. Anyway, here’s a bunch of quotes that I found tooo heart-wrenching, sweet, honest and something.
He was more me than I had ever been myself, because when he became me and I became him in bed so many years ago, he was and would forever remain, long after every forked road in life had done its work, my brother, my friend, my father, my son, my husband, my lover, myself.
“Did I have a spot?” he asked with a half grin.
“You’ll always have a spot.”
I wanted to tell him that the pool, the garden, the house, the tennis court, the orle of paradise, the whole place, would always be his ghost spot. And you’re suddenly there, lighting up your first cigarette of the day—twenty years ago today. For as long as the house stands, this will be your ghost spot—and mine too, I wanted to say.
All I knew was that I had nothing left to hide from him. I had never felt freer or safer in my life.
I responded, getting all worked up myself over someone I had almost entirely stopped thinking about. Time makes us sentimental. Perhaps, in the end, it is because of time that we suffer.
“You are the only person I’d like to say goodbye to when I die, because only then will this thing I call my life make any sense. And if I should hear that you died, my life as I know it, the me who is speaking with you now, will cease to exist. Sometimes I have this awful picture of waking up in our house in B. and, looking out to the sea, hearing the news from the waves themselves, He died last night. We missed out on so much. It was a coma. Tomorrow I go back to my coma, and you to yours. Pardon, I didn’t mean to offend—I am sure yours is no coma.”
We rip out so much of ourselves to be cured of things faster than we should that we go bankrupt by the age of thirty and have less to offer each time we start with someone new.
I’d stare at the water that evening and for a split second forget that he wasn’t here any longer, that there was no point in turning back and looking up to the balcony, where his image hadn’t quite vanished.
I can, from the distance of years now, still think I’m hearing the voices of two young men singing these words in Neapolitan toward daybreak, neither realizing, as they held each other and kissed again and again on the dark lanes of old Rome, that this was the last night they would ever make love again.
Whom else would I ever be able to call by my name?
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euphorial-docx · 2 years
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your fic really made me want to buy cmbyn but I have to decide which books I'm going to buy
this might be confusing considering my fic, but i cannot recommend the cmbyn book.
i thought the book was boring and uncomfortable to sit through. i had to set it down and take breaks more than with any other book in my entire life. it took so much willpower for me to get through it.
in my personal opinion, the movie is way better. maybe i just need to the give the book another chance, but that’s my current stance on it
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lfg1986-2 · 1 month
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Series VS books
Not in the sense that the series/movie is better than the books and vice versa but in what is more "fun" to hook (except when the character dies, you have to wait months for the sequel to be released, etc. 😒) books and series in general not only related to fandoms.
You can read books anywhere, your imagination is stimulated, if it is a physical book you can get violent and throw it at the wall if you get angry.
With the series you can go to bed and enjoy, you can see the landscapes [insert gif of your favorite character in your favorite scene as a landscape], if it is canceled a production company can rescue it.
With both, if you're watching it with your cell phone over your face and you start to get sleepy, it falls on your face 😅
Omg I’m so sorry I missed this the other day 🙈
I used to be really big into reading books when I was younger. I don’t really know when or why I fell off of that, but now I basically have to do audiobooks because otherwise I just won’t be able to force myself to read a physical book (although sometimes I’ll read a physical book WHILE listening to the audiobook at the same time, which is what I did with both RWRB and CMBYN.)
I’ve always gravitated more towards series or movies because I think I just personally get more out of visual media.
I’d say the obvious middle ground for both would be fanfiction lol. I’ll devour a 100k fic in a couple of days and be desperate for more, because I can combine the visual of what we have from the movie/show with the written words that still can stimulate my imagination enough to keep me invested.
Thanks for sending this 😘
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softhecreator · 1 year
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♋️////
Salutaitions (omg giving- 🤓)
I messaged you last night then I’m not kidding like a brick wall I got the worst fuckign migraine I think of my life, I have no idea where I am/ what I’m doing lmfao I’m dead-ass just a leaf 
Signing up a man to any sport class sounds fun just to se ether reaction low-key- gonna put that the to do list. 
‘it’s like going to war, but I love it - I always feel like I'm about to faint after those showers I think the water might be too hot but I spend like 5 min sitting on the floor trying t regroup into my body lmfao
The more depressing/ existential the movie gets- the better the letterbox comments, those are so fufcking good, The ones for Bones and all are good too. 
Reading Bell Jar rn… yk what that means… I don’t even know hat that means but I kinda hate that I slightly relate to her. 
If I saw this on the rack I would piss my self laughing, I saw someone on twitter say finally can afford Mugler and they just copy pasted their HC store front onto white tops LMAO 
Man I never knew about that side fo the fanbase, that sucks to much bc he truly doesn’t deserve anything less than praise for that performance in CMBYN…also why not like be fan of someone who is LGBTQ? I think that’s more respectful to every party involved, there are so many good queer actors too
Ouuu that remix is really good dayum! Yeah I havent heard much from Ariana maybe she’s focusing on family rn?? But yea I just noticed I haven’t seen her for a while 
Dude people always stare at me with my mask on its so freak bc I have my hood up so the airport germs don’t touch my hair, its like psychotic but make sense to me, but fr they do sometimes help to slide off DL. Omfg, last summer when I was traveling I took the elevator- WORST MISTAKE EVER- and this woman started COUGHING I like held my breath turned into the corner, and they kept looking at my face idk why, tbf it is scary to see someone in a hood and a mask facing a corner, and I literally was about to scream to stay away from me lmfao- fucking 2020 really did a number on my brain... 
Me watching that video was the equivalent to an old person seeing an iPhone for the first time, HOW THE FUCK IS THAT REAL??? Also I wonder if she saw it… 
This week went by crazy fast, I thought it was Wednesday for 3 days straight like the Wednesday aura was in the air. Also, have you been to Rio? I really want to go there this year- I think reusing the bum bum cream made me want to travel somewhere tropical. 
ouuuu salutations! it really is giving 🤓
girl omfgggg i’ve been having the worst migraine for the past 3 days, it just comes and goes. i’ve been popping ibuprofen and rotting in my room with the blackout curtains down while watching dubai bling.
it really had never been THIS bad, i was nauseous and crying at 5 am from how bad i was feeling.
i kinda wanna sign one of my guy friends to an indoor cycling class, in the studio i go to i’ve never seen a guy take the class, lowkey don’t think they could make it all the way, but it be really funny see them try.
‘i spend like 5 min sitting on the floor trying to regroup into my body’ - no literallyyyyy, it gets to a point where the hot water makes me feel dizzy and i start leaning into the wall a little lmaoooo
fr the more life altering the movie gets, the better the letterboxd comments. it’s like a coping mechanism to deal with the trauma.
ouuu man, i’ve always thought sylvia plath is kinda controversial. her racism is very shocking to read, i get that it was the 60’s, but she ran with progressive circles, she had wealth and access to different education, so racism was not something forced into her, and that’s something that has always shocked me, and never sat right with me.
anyways, those controversial subject are always present in most classic books/novels, so there’s not much to do besides being critical while reading them.
i remember the first time i read the bell jar, i had bought a really pretty and cheery illustrated version of it, and i was romanticizing the shit out of it, until i started reading it and was like wait a minute💀
i agree, timothée’s performance in cmbyn was absolutely outstanding, ffs the man got an oscar nomination for it!!! yet, some people decide to overlook that and focus on a “totally real and secret relationship with his costar, where they’ve been giving us hints about it for the past five years” 😤😤😤
yk, i don’t really keep up with ariana, but from what i was reading they said she’s been preparing to play glinda in the new wicked film that is gonna like like a few years to be fully filmed or something like that.
‘fucking 2020 really did a number on my brain’ -no same, i am always on my vigilant shit while i’m in closed setting with lots of people. ALSO, i am terrified of airplane bathrooms, i feel like that’s where you can catch the most diseases, it’s like asking for it. i’d rather let my bladder explode on in a 12+ hour flight that going into the airplane’s bathroom, you’ll never catch me inside one of those.
no i’ve never been to Rio, some of my friends and i really wanted to go and started planning it for new year’s, but then they kinda discouraged us saying it was not the safest place for like a group of girls to travel to, so we just kinda let it die down🤷‍♀️
honestly if you’re looking for tropical places, some of my favorite that i’ve been to are fiji, barbados, costa rica, cozumel and cancun, jamaica is also pretty chill.
rn i top travel destinations are seychelles, or south africa, or saudi arabia but specifically to that habitas alula hotel, it’s sooooo fucking pretty, have you been to any?
anyways, how was your weekend? hopefully better than mine tho.
btw i need to send you the anon i just got the other day, it was something😳
ALSO!!!! WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE💗🪄
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hemmoangel · 3 years
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for personal reasons, i will be donating all of my funds to the production of this film. 🥺🥺🥺
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woodnrust · 2 years
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I know some of y'all aren't gonna like this but the movie Call Me By Your Name was never as outstanding as some of y'all are claiming it to be and I just feel like you're setting the bar for gay media kinda low, considering that the author of the original book is straight and that people who read the book said it felt almost as if it was written with a woman in mind and just had the pronouns switched out which made the reading experience very inauthentic, and was only somewhat made better by the movie adaptations. So let me redirect you to better media cause we can do better than this.
If it's the older aesthetics of cmbyn that you like, Maurice is a movie adaptation of a novel written by E.M. Forster. The original draft was written in 1914 but was never published due to homosexuality being illegal at the time that it was written. It had several revisions over the years as Forster improved the story, and was finally published in 1971, a year after his death. The movie itself was released in 1987 and was a topic of debate since this was at the height of the AIDS epidemic and people were worried about the movie "promoting homosexuality" and even the actors recieved backlash for taking on the roles. The movie sticks pretty closely to its source content so is a very accurate representation of the time period it was written in. And fun fact! The novel was loosely based off of a gay couple that Forster had known, Edward Carpenter and George Merrill.
If it's the countryside and open fields that you like, look no further than God's Own Country, which is a story about growing up gay in Yorkshire, and was partly based off of Francis Lee, the writer/director's, experiences with having to make the difficult decision of staying to help with the family farm or to go off and pursue his dreams. But a heads up for anybody interested in watching, it goes fully into the day-to-day lives of farmers so it is not for the faint of heart.
And finally, if it's the air of young romance that you're after, you might enjoy The Way He Looks, which is a Brazilian film about the story of a teenage boy who is blind and trying to navigate his way through life and be more independent. And part of his journey is meeting Gabriel, who is able to introduce him to the freedoms and experiences he's always longed for. Side note, this movie is in Portuguese so if you can't speak the language, take advantage of subtitles.
And P.S., all of these movies have happy endings. (Or bittersweet, depending on how you look at it)
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mafaldaknows · 3 years
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You would think that someone who believes for a fact that Charmie isn’t real and/or possible would have no problem acknowledging the value of CMBYN. Irrefutably, this movie had a major impact on both of them. They have stated that time and time again. So? That’s not inherently related to Charmie. So why are they so threatened by a film that made an impact on them being brought up? Why the insistence that they don’t care about said film anymore? It’s because deep down they know. They both have so much love for CMBYN, Luca but even more so each other. Who cares what Charmies think if they are clearly so wrong? Why waste time on it?
Ironically, I’m in another fandom where there is a subset of fans that think a celebrity is in a fake het relationship and is actual in another real same sex one. That is more complicated but without going into much detail, I don’t believe that’s true. I think the relationship this celebrity has been in for years now is real. Being in this fandom and in others, I know the signs of a pr relationship when I see it by now and I don’t believe this celebrity is participating in one. I say all this to say, I’m not going to send hateful anon asks to people in that fandom who believe it is pr. What’s the point? This sounds arrogant or something but I know I’m right (haha wow) so it doesn’t bother me that they think differently.
Antis see it but don’t want to. They know the truth deep down but they don’t want to acknowledge it. That’s why they get upset whenever one or both of them talk about CMBYN. Because it IS what started Charmie. It’s quite clear to me...
Hello, Anon:
This odd response by antis, Lilothee and other haters, to something so completely harmless to their own cause, if it is indeed as frivolous as they claim, is a defense mechanism, to protect their (collective) ego. The more credible evidence surfaces, the more threatened they feel, and the harder they push back against us, hunting us down in our own little world, which they claim is not an accurate reflection of reality, and yet somehow still feel the need to destroy.
I don’t know how anyone who hates love could possibly feel so threatened by this little movie:
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I agree, Anon. We Peaches and Charmies tend to stay in our own lane, no need for external validation from the opposition, yet antis and Lilothee actively seek us out to convince us that we’re wrong, mostly in our inboxes, under the security blanket of anonymity. That need for anonymity alone tells us everything we need to know about the strength of their convictions.
BTW: Actively calling out anyone who opposes us in the public sphere for their beliefs about CMBYN and Charmie should be antithetical to our philosophy, imho. It’s just not our style. So if this weird anti/Lilothee/hater backlash is the result of any of us seeking out haters to harass them, please stop. There’s simply no need for it. We’re better than that.
Love is what unites us in the Charmiesphere. That’s the difference.
Thanks for your observations. 😊
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icecoldstrangers · 3 years
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I don’t really post very often but its been on my mind. Queer films (specifically MLM centered films) are so poorly represented nowadays. Top two films that people don’t shut up about? 1. CMBYN (gross) 2. Maurice (bad). I wish there was more appreciation for other films. Sure majority of them are of the “it’s heavily implied and maybe mentioned once” variety but please god anything other than those two films. I’m literally only posting about this to talk about my faves.
Victim (1960), tragic portrayal of a man who’s career is in jeopardy due to a gay scandal. This movie hit so much closer to home with Dirk Bogarde as the lead.
Wilde (1997), Oscar Wilde pseudo biopic. This isn’t even that unknown. I just really enjoyed it. Stephen fry was masterfully cast in this movie.
Taxi Zum Klo (1980), written, directed by and starring a gay man in 80’s Berlin. It’s such an unsantized view of gay man which was a perspective not often seen. It’s just borderline p//rngraphy with a loose plot but that’s just what makes it good. Compared to the whimsical dramatic films. It’s so raw.
Carrington (1995), uhhh semi biopic, straight woman, gay man, questionably platonic pseudo romantic relationship. Not necessarily queer? Just good. Makes me cry, the score is great.
This post was borderline exclusively so I could talk about movies that I don’t often talk about. Idk. I’m gay, I like movies, I want better rep than CMBYN and Maurice. Queer cinema has so much variety. (I say this as a gay man so it is going to be majority gay male focused)
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charmie-inspiration · 3 years
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I thought I had to be quiet, I thought there is absolutely nothing to say about this. At first because I didn’t think there was anything to these claims because I have been here for awhile and fandom tends to take things too far. 
But this isn’t about that at all. I don’t want to even add to the conversation just like I wouldn’t argue with someone that climate change doesn’t exist. If you aren’t convinced by now then there’s nothing that I can say that would make it better.
The reason I am making this post at all is because I am going through this and if you ask any of my friends, I am sure they would agree on being worried about my reaction.
Because I have been here for almost five and a half years. I watched a 60s spy movie in 2015 and I fell in love with this stupid tall guy with the kind eyes and rumbly laugh. I’m 20 now and realising that a stable like that isn’t what you made it out to be, is hard. It doesn’t matter that he doesn’t know of our existence. I know that there are people out there who have to wrangle with the fact of losing someone close to them through a fucking daily mail article.
It feels like you just got broken up with over email, in a shitty side sentence while he tells you about his new woman. And that’s the point right. This isn’t about those women, it is about him and how he made you feel and those women and how he made them feel.
I don’t drink, I don’t do drugs and I had to wrangle with the fact that he is smoking at all. But that’s something a lot of people do. Drinking is something a lot of people do. And I suppose there’s a way to do so responsibly. However because I have no part in that community I know what it’s like when people that are close to you offer you to drink. And tell you to drink. And question why and how you don’t drink. Again and again and again. I didn’t say yes but I know tons of people would and do every day. They’re your friends, after all. You don’t want to lose them.
And he is Armie Hammer. I wouldn’t say no to him. I know that. And that’s how I know that they can be right, that sometimes you say yes but it’s not a yes. Society has issues understanding that no means no. That a drunk yes is a no. But a community that is largely female should look at themselves and do a fact check. A coerced yes is also a no. And that makes this abuse.
I am speaking up because this is one of the hardest things I have to do. Because if I can look at the 5 years that I spent following this man’s career, rooting for him and having my life changed because of him and still admit that there are things you can’t forgive or forget then so can you. 
Did you know that my first fic that I wrote in English was in The Man from UNCLE fandom? That I learned to speak this language like a native because of someone that I connected to through our love for tmfu and then because of our love for the actors in it. That’s tarnished.
Did you know that the first time that I ever travelled without my parents was to go to Crema? To meet friends I had made because of CMBYN and our shared love for it? That’s tarnished.
Did you know that I regarded Feb, 29th the happiest the day of my life? That after following this man for 4 and a half years I finally got to see him in person because I had been stuck in Europe where you don’t just see actors parading around all day. Not the kind that I wanted to see so badly anyway? That’s tarnished. 
And that when it all started coming together, I looked at my life where he’s in so many nooks and crannies, in the posters on my wall, on the lockscreen of my phone, in the messages to my friends, on every single social media on every single platform that I have used in the past 5 years. And that’s incredibly hard to just let go. I sat there and was like “I don’t know how to hate him.” But I learned to be disgusted by him and the absolute lack of remorse that he has shown. 
It’s hard because we all have our coping mechanisms and these days we rely on them more than anything else. I have lost my sport and I have lost someone very close to me that used to make me smile. And this was always, always something that I could count on. When I felt like absolute shit yesterday I wanted to watch tmfu because it’s the movie that always makes me laugh. And I wanted to read the stories that I had written that I am so incredibly proud of. But I couldn’t because he broke those things. The way I dealt with loss was always turning to those characters and knowing that not only I can’t do that right now but that I never can again, that life is gonna continue to shit on me and I have to do it without him sucks. 
He had a responsibility. He had a responsibility to be a decent human being, just like everybody else.
I am angry, I am devastated. I don’t know how to proceed with those shambles and I know that he hasn’t touched me, that I don’t have to look at myself in the mirror with the knowledge that I let him do what he did to those women to me. But I know I would’ve that still feels fucking shitty.
I don’t know if anybody will read this. I don’t know if anybody will care about this. This isn’t for you or for them and definitely not for him. I still feel nauseous, because I know that he would fucking get off on knowing the kind of control he has over my life. Has had for many years. I am still picking up the pieces of what I went through yesterday. It will take time and I have friends because of him that helped and will continue to help me through this. I am going to be okay, eventually. For me it’s going to be a lesson, getting away with a black eye so to speak. But there are real people who have really been hurt by this.
So I am asking you, if I can go through this because I know it’s the right thing to do then so can you.
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You didn't like Find me ?
omg a cmbyn universe question!! Thank you for existing, Nonny 😍💜
That being said... where do I even start?
I've read it and I've cried on some Elio's pages and I probably had a panic attack trough half Oliver's part but that's more on me than it is on the book.
I think there some interesting lines. Paragraphs. A few pages. Not enough to make it a good book and at thousands miles of being enough to make it a worthy sequel to the call me by your name book. It was a bizarre mix of being a whole other story, of being a sequel to a movie+promo instead of being a sequel to the book and something undefined that didn't really work.
The thing is, even if the movie could work as a stand alone, it was way more calling for a sequel than the book ever has. The book didn't need it. And I think there have been some confusion in that in the project.
I'm not going to lie, saying I didn't want Find Me and wasn't waiting for it, because I was. And I do believe a sequel could have worked but this one didn't. So it's there but I don't think of it as a part of the canon of cmbyn universe.
I've only read it once so there are probably things I've missed so I'll probably read some parts (Elio's and Oliver's) again at some point to hurt me to have a better opinion about it but it will only exists as some sort of a okayish fanfiction in my head.
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Why is CMBYN bad? Sorry I loved the film I'm confused 😔
In terms of the movie, Armie Hammer (obviously) and Timothee are both...problematic? I mean Armie is more than problematic but mmm. 
In terms of Timothee, he worked on a Woody Allen movie and then straight up pretended he had no idea who he was or what he did, which is absurd. Even I knew in high school which was ten years ago. He threw some money at a charity (keep in mind, the Oscar season was on the horizon for CMBYN), yet if I recall correctly, didn’t rule out working with Woody Allen in future projects. He apparently cited his contract as a ‘reason’ he couldn’t criticise Allen but his co stars openly spoke out before he did so....He just strikes me as a bit of an unapologetic social climber tbqh. I don’t trust his ass. 
This is a quote from Woody Allen’s latest memoir: 
"Timothée afterward publicly stated he regretted working with me and was giving the money to charity, but he swore to my sister he needed to do that as he was up for an Oscar for Call Me by Your Name, and he and his agent felt he had a better chance of winning if he denounced me, so he did."
The book, CMBYN, itself is completely fucked. 
A) The author has spoken before about finding 12 year old girls attractive. So...
B) Elio is a teenager and Oliver is a grad student. Refer back to A. 
C) The peach that Elio...you know...is described as ‘looking like a rape victim’ after it’s discarded. 
‘The bruised and damaged peach, like a rape victim, lay on its side on my desk, shamed, loyal, aching, and confused, struggling not to spill what I’d left inside. It reminded me that I had probably looked no different on his bed last night after he’d come inside me the first time.’
Once again, refer back to point A. 
People who love the film want to pretend that the metaphor isn’t problematic because its ‘artistic’ but...if the author has literally said he finds children attractive, writes a book with an age difference romance and says the younger person looked like a rape victim after intercourse...I mean, hello. 
I’m going to need people to stop being pedophile apologists just because someone made a gay movie in Italy, thanks. 
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winderlylandchime · 3 years
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the better late than never Aj fic round up 2020
Call Me By Your Name
Timmy/Armie
like mercury (series, incomplete)
Flo’s Shows (E, 48329 words) Armie meets Timmy when Timmy’s a dancer at an unusual strip club.
I Will Always Have You (E, 4907 words, WIP) Set in Flo’s Shows ‘verse, 5 times Timmy was sick and 1 time Armie was.
to feel the sun on both sides (E, 8950 words) Armie comes home wearing a pair of lacy briefs...porn with feelings ensues.
If you want this, you’re going to have to ask (series, complete)
I’ll just give it to you slowly (‘till you’re begging me to hold you) (E, 4248 words) The one where Timmy waits for Armie to leave their apartment so he can jerk off and then Armie returns home earlier than expected.
Whatever you want, I’ll give it to you (E, 4435 words) In which Armie fucks Timmy in the restroom while Timmy's at work and we also learn how they met. Oh and maybe Timmy's boss walks in. But maybe he doesn't.
I’ll hold you up and drive you all night (E, 3303 words) Timmy, Armie, and Nick make a sex tape. Timmy and Armie make a sex tape of them watching the first sex tape. Timmy and Armie watch the tape of them watching the first tape. AKA sex tape-inception.
And drive you ‘till you feel the daylight (E, 7426 words) The night of the sex tape, from Nick’s point-of-view.
I Crossed All the Lines and I Broke All the Rules (E, 17687 words) Armie Hammer cannot stand his best friend's fiance. Too bad Italian wedding tradition dictates that as best man, he must kidnap the fiance (whom he calls "the floofy noodle" to himself, to no one else because everyone else loves the kid) the day before the wedding. And who is he to stand in the way of tradition?
‘Cause all I’ll ever be is your dirty computer (E, 24289 words) The one where Timmy and Armie are working on a group project involving a 3D printer. Armie wants an A and Timmy just wants access to the printer to make sex toys to sell to the other students.
tied to a night they never met (aka zoommates) (E, 78438 words, WIP) Timmy, assistant to the SVP of Marketing, is based out of the NYC office of Ivory Advertising and Armie, the Chief Financial Officer, is based out of the LA office. When their company must suddenly transition to working remotely due to COVID-19, Timmy and Armie finally "meet" during an all-hands Zoom meeting. Emails do not always give the most accurate impressions...
Elio/Oliver
deeper than any mirror (M, 6599 words) One time Elio and Oliver did not kiss and five times they did. Set five years after the movie and begins when Elio and Oliver run into each other in New York City. The story of how they find their way back together.
The Possibility of Impossibilities (E, 68572 words, co-written with @lfg1986-backup ) Elio and Oliver wake up one morning to find themselves on the CMBYN promo tour. Meanwhile Timmy and Armie wake up to find themselves in the CMBYN world, except it’s not a movie set.
Good Omens
October First and the World After (T, 699 words) It's October 1st, time for Crowley to wake up. Our delicious duo need to save the world once more. And, always, with a little help from their friends.
Keep Your Enemies Closer (T, 100 words) A Halloween drabble for the ineffable husbands.
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I started writing in the CMBYN fandom late in 2019 and finished my first fic in 2020 (Flo’s Shows). I first watched and wrote for Good Omens in 2020. It’s been a hell of a hellish year and fandom and writing has been one of my outlets. Fandom doesn’t exist without people and there are so many who have come into my life this year as I (essentially) entered two new fandoms. The problem with lists (when one cannot consult AO3 for reference) is I’m bound to leave someone out. So please know this is an incomplete list. I do want to thank those who’ve encouraged me, cheered me on, dragged me along when I was stumbling, and have just provided a place to talk and vent and laugh (oh my gosh the laughs!). Many of our connections span beyond fandom and writing and I’m grateful to you all. @littlesistercharlie @iworshipyou-oliver @bartbarthelme @sheisraging @eliooliver83 @girl-softer @thereisalwaysroom @onlyastoryteller @provenance @germanjj @cmbynobsessed
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lfg1986-2 · 2 years
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Read you last post... I tend to not think that this could possibly be his last movie. Maybe a part of my brain never let that thought come to the surface. But when i read what you wrote, it literally hit me harder than i expected. I have had very less time in this fandom where i actually saw happy days. And before i could even accept that i am actually in love with him... With the boys... With CMBYN and anything and everything related to it, the whole thing just collapsed. Most of the "happy" things i know about him are from the past. I am in love with a version of him which is in the past. I don't even know if he's the same person now. If he still has the same laugh after all he has been through. And now I don't know if i can see that again in future. Even though it is selfish of me, i want more of him and i want him back. I want this whole situation to go back to how it was before i even knew who Armie was.
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Oh honey…I’m so sorry! I never meant for my post to make you so sad!! 🥺🥺😭💔💔
I do understand how you’re feeling, though. I was lucky enough to find this fandom at a good time, but I’ve also had the experience of coming in late when most of the original fans had moved on and there was little to no new content to get excited over, and the desperate desire to hold onto the good things can feel overwhelming when you’re just discovering everything and don’t want to let them go yet.
But please don’t despair! We don’t know what the future will hold, and there’s still a decent chance that Armie will flourish again and we will get to watch him sour to new heights.
And maybe he’s not the same as he was before, but I firmly believe that if anything, he’s now an even better version of himself now. He’s managed to break away from the toxic relationship that was strangling him both personally and professionally. He’s taken some proper time off and made himself and his mental health a priority for probably the first time in his life. He’s had a chance to rest and think long and hard about what is really important to him. And now he finally gets to choose his own path, and live in the way that is best for HIM. And while I do selfishly hope that includes returning to acting, I’m just so proud of how far he’s come as a person in these last couple of years. So I do understand the need to mourn what is lost or changed, because those things are what brought you here and made you fall in love with him. But I think you’ll find that all those important elements are still there, and now he can truly shine on his own without the crushing weight of someone else’s narcissistic expectations.
Sending you so much love and a big hug. ❤️🫂
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