#the possibilities for a yunmeng bros reconciliation if jc can read wwx's thoughts) ..... and he grows as a person and realizes how valued he

[wangxianficfinder]

Fic Finder

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1. Hi! I hope you can help me find this fic.

Wangxian is married here. Lan zhan was cursed to forget his love to wei ying and wei ying did everything (like studying the curse) to lift it out. I remember in the end, Lwj remember his love to wei ying and apologized to wwx for treating him bad. He felt guilty and resentful to himself but wwx assured him that its fine since he was cursed

NOT FOUND! stuck under the moon by perilously (E, 13k, WangXian, Not Actually Unrequited Love, Temporarily Unrequited Love, Angst with a Happy Ending, Cursed LWJ, Non-Penetrative Sex, Post-Canon)

FOUND! could be "an effect (without a cause)" by astrobandit, which is deleted from ao3. If this is the fic they are looking for, i have a copy.

NOT FOUND! Blue water by huxiyi (E, 24k, WangXian, Post-Canon, Temporary Amnesia, Case Fic, Curses, Cultivation Sect Politics, Established Relationship, Angst with a Happy Ending, References to Depression, Discussion of Grief, Discussion of bodies, Explicit Sexual Content, Dom/sub Undertones, Under-negotiated Kink, Additional Warnings In Author's Note)

NOT FOUND! Unavoidable by diamondbruise (T, 18k, WangXian, Post-Canon, Amnesia, Jealousy, Misunderstandings, Falling In Love, Again, Happy Ending)

NOT FOUND! tonight i can write the saddest lines by sarahyyy (G, 3k, WangXian, Post-Canon, Established Relationship, Amnesia, Falling In Love, Domestic Fluff)

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2. Can anyone help me find a fic where part of it talks about how if he'd asked, JY would have done WWX's hair for him like she did JC's, but he never asked so he learnt on his own (possibly to avoid YZY's rage?)

FOUND? Always walked a very thin line by tucuxi (T, 22k, NHS & WWX, JYL & WWX, WangXian) It's a small bit that happens when NHS is brushing WWX's hair, and WWX thinks that nobody's done that for a long time

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3. Hello!! I'm looking for a jiang wanyin/lan xichen centric fic where jc is stuck in a time loop??

He repeats his lives 5-6 times and lan xichen remembers all the timelines where he actually already loved jc

But he married meng yao as a friendship marriage in one tl

In another tl jc murdered meng yao and lxc witnesses amd goes into seclusion because of it

combining the lxc/jc + the time loop tags yields only three fics so it should be easy to find the right one (i haven't read any of them so i wasn't sure), and looking for lxc/jc + searching the word 'groundhog' turns up one more fic but it doesn't seem relevant to the ask

NOT FOUND! Incrementally by xxdz (M, 15k, WIP, XiCheng, Time Loop, Horror, Murder Mystery, Inspired by Happy Death Day (Movies), Post-Canon, Blood and Injury, Hurt/Comfort, Temporary Character Death, Character Study)

NOT FOUND! there is no one beside me by h0ngcha (Not Rated, 16k, WIP, XiCheng, Time Loop, Angst, Hurt/Comfort, PTSD, Suicide, Mental Instability, Depression, Mild Gore, Canon Divergence, Suicidal Thoughts, JFM's A+ parenting, Bittersweet Ending)

NOT FOUND! silver bell by willowcatkin (G, 8k, XiCheng, Post-Canon, Time Loop, yunmeng bros reconciliation, Sort Of, Canon Divergence, Angst with a Happy Ending, JC-centric)

FOUND! Four Out of Five by castieldeansangel (T, 9k, XiCheng, WangXian, XiYao, One-sided ChengQing, Time Travel, 5 Times, Fix-It of Sorts, XiCheng endgame, Angst with a Happy Ending, JC-centric, Butterfly Effect, Dubious Morality, Canon Divergence)

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4. you guys are wonderful! thank you so much for all your help finding fics!!! i have a half itmf/half fic finder question --- any angsty dark lan clan fics that focus on wei ying, but especially one where they break his soul bond(?) with Lan Zhan --- i think i remember one where later on they need WY's help - any suggestions greatly appreciated! (also in an Itmf)

FOUND? Say my name and his in the same breath by ataratah (M, 38k, WIP, WangXian, Canon Divergence, Soulmates, Soulmate-Identifying Marks, Rejection, Mutual Pining, Found Family Feels, Temporary Character Death, magical baby aquisition, Angst with a Happy Ending, No Golden Core Transfer, Somebody Lives/Not Everyone Dies)

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5. hello! theres this fic i know i read on ao3 but cant seem to find in my history or bookmarks. i hope it wasnt deleted. its post canon, lan zhan and wei ying go out on a mission but lan zhan gets infected or hit with a curse without them noticing, and starts gradually losing all his senses, starting with hearing, then i think sight, then so on until he cant move or do anything at all and he’s at risk of death. wei ying and lan xichen figure out together how it happened and they save him so lan zhan is completely healed by the end. i believe it was either M or E rated bc there were a couple sex scenes early on but i dont think they were very explicit. i hope you can find this fic, thank you so much!!

FOUND! shadows in the sun rise by Yuu_chi (E, 24k, WangXian, Post-Canon, Night hunts, Curses, Intimacy, Light Angst with a Happy Ending, They're married and they're in love)

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6. Hi! I read this incredible fic a while back and forgot to bookmark it - it's about WWX losing his memories when he comes back and getting to know LWJ as Mo Xuanyu while he tries to uncover his past?

FOUND? Love Song In Reverse by timetoboldlygo (T, 237k, WangXian, Amnesia, Canon Divergence, Angst with a Happy Ending, Emotional Hurt/Comfort, Non-Sexual Intimacy, Falling In Love, Slow Burn, agressively mixing and matching novel and cql canon, No Homophobia, Mentions of Starvation, Parental WWX)

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7. Hi! Can you help me find these 2 fics? I tried filtering out but can’t still find it.

A) Modern Au. Wwx left the jiang family and then met Lwj. I remember the two started living together but then as the time passed by, wwx notices that lwj isolating him to outside world. I also remember wwx broke up with lwj but lwj is stubborn keep coming to wwx school. He even threaten wwx about the jiang family so he’ll come back to him.

B) Modern au too I think? I only remember Lwj saw wwx burying a dead body (i think it was wen chao) and assist him on it.

Thank you so much!

7A)

FOUND! It had to be Fate by darkbrokenreaper (E, 4k, WangXian, Modern AU, College/University, Emotional Manipulation, Gaslighting, Rape/Non-con Elements, Obsession, Possessive Behavior, dark!LWJ)

7B)

NOT FOUND! release me from the present by merlinnn (E, 34k, WangXian, Modern AU, College/University, Explicit Sexual Content, Dark Academia, Also Light Academia, Studying,Lots of it, Implied/Referenced Sexual AssaultV, iolence, Murder, Dead Poets Society, brief homophobic language, body disposal, Mildly Dubious Consent)

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8. Hello! The fic I am looking for is one where Jiang Cheng somehow erases Wei Wuxian from existence. Jiang Yanli lives as a consequence, but now everyone is subjugated by the Wen, as without WWX the Sunshot Campaign lost. I have only seen this fic in passing and really want to read it but now I can't find it lol. I remember that there was a tag for "Lan Zhan | Lan Wangji / Wei Ying | Wei Wuxian", so I assume at some point they get him back, but I cannot remember any more details other than this. Thank you so much for your help and I hope you have a wonderful day!!! @coffeeshopdragons

FOUND! The Way It Wasn't by KouriArashi (T, 72k, WangXian, XiYao, Canon Divergence, Angst with a Happy Ending, Fix-It, (eventually haha), Slow Build, Family Feels, Moral Ambiguity, Eventual Happy Ending)

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9. hi ! me again 😅 i was wondering if any of you know the fic where lan wangji forgets about his love for wei wuxian (i think he got cursed?) and is very indifferent towards him. It starts with him forgetting to buy chili oil for wy to him not wanting to spend time together anymore. At one point he asks wwx “why did i marry you?”. I think lwj was conscious the entire time he was cursed and was heartbroken bc he could see how everything he said and did was hurting wy. I knew i read it recently but i cant find it in my history for some reason. thanks so much you guys are amazing <33 @makkachiin

FOUND! Does anyone even read work titles? idk what to call this by Nighttdust (M, 14k, WangXian, Curses, Hurt/Comfort, Angst, though not to much, Both get hurt both get comforted, Established Relationship, Post-Canon, Happy Ending, Protective WWX, Insecurity, a bit only)

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10. Hello! Currently looking for a fic in which LWJ and WWX spent a night together in a tent and there was misunderstanding when LWJ woke up thinking he forced WWX to have papapa-

JC ends up threatening LWJ if WWX ends up preggo then he will not be allowed to see them (I think Wuxian was a carrier??), because JYL then entered the tent right after LWJ left and saw WWX all bruised up (it was hickies) whilst passed out (sleeping only) and assumed LWJ SA her Xianxian. JGY and LXC are also there-

FOUND? The Teapot Plot by ToxicAngel13 (M, 51k, WangXian, Misunderstandings, protective Jiang siblings, Golden Core Reveal, Golden Core Transfer Fix-It, Idiots in Love, Post-Sunshot Campaign, Pre-Burial Mounds, Potential for M-Preg, Fix-It, Emotional Hurt/Comfort)

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11. Hi, I'm looking for a fic where wei ying starts out in the modern world as a doctor who has fallen on hard times and can't practice as one anymore because of previous mistakes. He dies in a lab explosion and gets sent to the canon-time cultivation world, where everyone believes he's an evil megalomaniac. Lan zhan realizes that wei ying isn't evil and takes him back to cloud recesses, where wei ying learns cultivation - there is some smutty dual cultivation involved, then comes happy every after. @annie-booksforfood

FOUND? Transverse by Kytrin, Mslead (E, 192k, WangXian, ChengSang, ZhuiLing, ZhenYi, Dimension Travel, Implied/Referenced Rape/Non-con, Enemies to Lovers, Transmigration, Past Lives, Canon-Typical Death, Don't worry - he gets better)

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12. Hiya! I saw on this post for Medium Blues over on WangxianFicRecs that there's a short sequel to the fic, but I haven't been able to find it anywhere. I looooove the fic so much and would really like to read the sequel, so I'm wondering if anyone happens to have more info or a copy? Thank you! @gentil-minou (the author may have deleted the sequel because medium blues had been deleted before - Mod C)

Oooh I do remember that a medium blues sequel was begun but I think only a chapter or so was posted?

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13. Hey, can you please help me find a series?

It's about a-Yuan, and he could see ghosts/spirits. He could see WWX, he drew Madam Lan, and he spoke about YZY to JC when he was in Lotus Pier and called her violet spider. @utxqia

FOUND! 🧡 Lan Sizhui Sees Dead People Series by darkbrokenreaper (T, 30k, WIP, WangXian, LWJ & LSZ, JC & LSZ, Canon Divergence, Fluff, Kid Fic, Hurt/Comfort, lsz sees dead people, Paranormal)

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14. Hello, this for the “Find a Specific Fic” tag. I’ve been looking for fic staring a older Lan Wangji who gets sent back to the cloud recess ark, and meets his younger self who becomes jealous. The younger Lan Wangji is jealous because Wei Ying is no longer pestering him anymore, opting to instead follow the older Lan Wangji who spoils him. Hopefully this helps, and thank you for your hard work. Sincerely, Bianca. @biancabaryonx

FOUND? vinegar jug by dandelion_san (G, 7k, WIP, WangXian, Time Travel, Humor, Awkward Crush, Jealousy)

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15. Hello, I'm trying to find a fic where both Mo Xuanyu and Wei Wuxian get cursed. All I can remember is that Lan Wangji ends up in the woods and WWX helps him getting out, but when he tries to thank him WWX disappears. LWJ then finds the Jiangs and inquires about him but they can't actually remember him: they only remember they had a brother once (I think?). Hope this makes enough sense and thanks in advance

NOT FOUND! Second Summer by Anonymous (M, 142k, WIP, WangXian, canon, Post-Sunshot Campaign, Mystery, Amnesia, Memory Loss, Curses, Somebody Lives/Not Everyone Dies, somebody lives/somebody else dies, Golden Core Reveal, canon-typical lack of lube)

FOUND? never been away so long by sundiscus (G, 905, WangXian, Modern AU, Pre-Relationship, First Meetings, Ambiguous/Open Ending, (but a happy ending in the endnotes!), Ghosts, crossposted from Twitter)

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16. needing y'all's help again i cant remember the fic where wwx agreed to transfer(??) or visit or help a school/workplace bc he gets to use a mass spectrometer. i can't remember the plot, just that tidbit T_T thank you so much

NOT FOUND! The Best Gift by Lan_Wangjoe (E, 45k, WangXian, Modern AU, Mistaken Identity,Miscommunication, Romantic Fluff, Family Fluff, Family Dynamics, Falling In Love, Idiots in Love, Nice LQR, Fake Science, Science Husbands, Adopted Sibling Relationship, Adopted Children, Marriage of Convenience, Secret Marriage, Didn't Know They Were Dating, Himbo LXC, Everyone Is Alive, Good Parents JFM and YZY, Genius WWX) it doesn’t have a spectrometer as such, but I think it might be this one?

FOUND! 🧡 CSI: Gusu Edition Series by Stratisphyre (M, 39k, WangXian, WWX & LQR, Modern with Magic AU, College AU, Golden Core Reveal, Single parent WWX, Good Uncle LQR, Hospitalization, Allusions to violence and murder) the first fic in csi gusu has the mass spectrometer :>

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17. I'm back, like any other wangxian addict, for more ficfinding expertise!

A) always a girl WY is emperor LXC's concubine, who he shares with LWJ. Of course the 2 are in love and when LXC starts to tire of her and politics get in the way, they stage a withdrawal/escape and live happily ever after far away from the emperor in the south?

B) CR study arc, where LQR gives WWX the same advanced tests he gives LWJ. After, NHS complains about how his cheatsheet tips didn't make sense and that's how WWX found out about the harder test. @mreisse

17A)

FOUND! Red Lotus Blooming at Sunset by janewritesstuff (Jane_de_Plaine) (E, 18k, WangXian, XiXian, Jadecest, Implied Others/LXC, Royalty, Historical, Female WWX, Concubine WWX, Harem, Threesome - F/M/M, Porn With Plot, Consensual Infidelity, Voyeurism, Angst with a Happy Ending, extended tags in author's note, Dark LXC)

17B)

FOUND! Just Say Yes series by edenwolfie (M, 338k, wangxian, canon divergence, matchmaking, pining, cloud recesses study arc, getting together, fluff, humor, hurt/comfort, everyone lives au)

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18. Hi hello, I'm struggling to find this wangxian ao3 I'm hoping that it was not deleted. I don't really remember much but wei ying didn't die but got save from falling of a the cliff and when he gain consciousness he can't remember his name that's why the one who saved him gave him another identity and his been living that identity for years. On wangji side, this is still part of the story he raises lan yuan by himself, actually no one died in this fic jiang yanli is still alive

FOUND? Until The End by abCEE (M, 365k, WangXian, Canon Divergence, war changes people, resulting to OOC, no pinning, Established Relationship, Mpreg, Good Uncle LQR, a little grey LWJ, a bit of JC bashing from LWJ, BAMF JYL, 16 years of yearning, mainly CQL verse but has scenes from the novel as well, LSZ is WangXian's Child, WWX Has a New Golden Core, Canon Rewrite, Happy Ending, Fix-It of Sorts) WWX awakens in chapter 16 and his new name is Gengxin.

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19. Hello! Good day! I hope you can help me find this fic. I don’t know if it is a time-travel fic or not. All I can remember is that Madam Yu got pregnant and the sect leader, jiang yanli, jiang cheng, and wwx were happy. But eventually they learned that madam yu cheated (i forgot if its a wen or not) so the baby is actually not sect leader jiang’s child. I think they learned this after the masscre of lotus pier when madam yu ranaway.

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20. Hi. I'm looking for a fic that I was pretty sure was luckmoonly's and was in the many lan babies series but now I am worried about my brain because it's not there and the traces of it are gone, to the point I think I hallucinated that fic. But if I remember the title was "The fault in my core" and WWX was supposed to get his core removed but they found a core baby near it so they didn't continue the operation. Pls tell me I was just looking at the wrong place with my f-ed up memory 🥹 and the fic is somwhere out there and I was just too stupid to find it. Thank u in advance! ❤️

FOUND! The fic was deleted. All your informations (name, author etc.) were correct. I have a copy, if you want one. - @bluekittenfire

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#wangxian #mdzs #wangxian fic finder #wangxian fic search #the untamed #wangxianficfinder #long post

[mistypluie]

SANGCHENG CHERRY MAGIC AU!!!!! (basically: jiang cheng is still a virgin when he turns 36* and he suddenly gains the ability to read people's minds when he touches them)

#*changing it from 30 to make this post canon lol #sangcheng #jiang cheng #nie huaisang #mdzs #the untamed #misty.art #so this picture takes place shortly after jc's bday nhs is visiting lotus pier for a cultivation conference or something #and jc reads his mind and realizes nhs likes him!!! bro is having whole ass fantasies about him meanwhile jc is having a sexuality crisis #bc u know hes been justifying this by saying he doesnt have time and he doesn't want to marry some random woman but. hes never really #considered men before.......granted he probably hasnt rlly liked too many ppl before (demi jc rights!!!!)... #(he told himself that teenage crush on lxc was just admiration 😔😔😔) #but he gradually realizes that.....people care he 🥺🥺🥺 his disciples look up to him his nephew loves him his brother misses him (THINK of #the possibilities for a yunmeng bros reconciliation if jc can read wwx's thoughts) ..... and he grows as a person and realizes how valued he #is and how its important to do things at his own pace bc hes only now having the time to live his life without worrying about so much shit #and of course he. eventually loses his virginity and the ability to read thoughts and has to learn how to communicate his feelings w ppl 🥺 #anyway. cherry magic owns my soul now and sangcheng is my fave i simply had to make an au......ill never write it tho but if anyone wants to #PLEASE do 👀🥺 #also dont @ me about lazy coloring i didnt feel like coloring this lol the lineart was enough work #r yall proud i didnt use mint green ad a background color again??? i was going to lol but then i changed it #this color scheme has more cherry vibes 🍒🌸

[lecinea]

Regarding you yunmeng bro reconcilliation post-canon post (I'm sorry if I'm intruding, I saw it on the mdzs tag). First, I'm not really fond of JC, I try not let this taint my judgment, but it's hard so take it with a grain of salt (I'm also not pointing out WWX's mistakes but we know what they are so i think it's okay). I agree with what you said about the people they are coming from who raised them but I feel like that's precisely why they can't have a relationship anymore. JC can't let go, he just can't. He spent years hunting and torturing people that he thought could WWX. He kept WWX's flute as bait. He blamed everything that went wrong with his life on WWX even things I'm pretty sure he knew wasn't WWX's fault. He holds resentment close to his heart as if his life depended on it (just like his momma). Yes, he's traumatized and I will never take that lightly but people who loves you don't have to put up with your abuse just because of that. WWX and JC value different things, they have completely different priorities, they always had. After 13 years, after knowing the truth he looked at it as WWX wanting to be the hero and not doing it as an act of love. He's so worried about what WWX will think if he tells WWX that he saved him that day because if it was the other way around he would think WWX was doing it to outshine him. JC is bitter, and yes, i get that he suffered and you shouldn't compare your pain to others but so did everyone else. Especially WWX. Sometimes people have been in your life for years, sometimes they're family. And sometimes they don't belong with you anymore. JC and WWX were only supposed to come together in WWX's past life, and WWX grew out of that. WWX deserves to be happy and if that means he should be far away from someone who comes from a home that he was abused in, then so be it. They were all kids and it's okay if he wants to leave all that behind.

Don’t Worry! You’re not intruding. I put in the tags that I welcome discussion, as long as it stays civil (because insulting others over fictional characters is dumb). I find it fascinating how differently we all read Jiang Cheng and his relationship with Wei Wuxian and I actually had a lot of fun responding to you. I tried to touch on everything you mentioned, give my point of view, so it did turn out quite long. I will put most of the post under a read more. The main points that I will discuss are the following:

- Jiang Cheng’s inability to let go - The Guanyin Temple breakdown - Wei Wuxian’s feelings on the matter - Why I think a post-canon reconciliation is possible (and to me the logical place for their relationship to go).

Lets go!

So, let’s start off with how Jiang Cheng cannot seem to let go of the past. It’s definitely something that you see a lot with MXTX’s antagonists (and the love interests, both Lan Wangji and Hua Cheng have a long memory and do not forgive easily. I cannot talk about SVSSS because I haven’t read it yet.) and are in stark contrast with the protagonists, who have the (mostly) healthier approach of letting go of the past and moving on. But I think it’s important to think about why someone cannot move past their resentment. Jiang Cheng’s inability to let go of his anger, his refusal to believe that Wei Wuxian is truly gone and his doggedness in pursuing demonic cultivators have a few different reasons that all got tangled up in a ball of negative emotions that, at the end of the novel, he has to start to detangle before he can heal.

The first reason I’ve identified is that Jiang Cheng doesn’t know why everything post-sunshot campaign spiraled out of control, and that torments him. Why didn’t Wei Wuxian talk to him when something was clearly wrong with him? Why did Wei Wuxian refuse to use his sword when the demonic cultivation made the entire cultivation world nervous? Why did Wei Wuxian abandon him? To protect the family of the ones that destroyed his no less. Why did Wei Wuxian lose control? He was the brightest mind of their generation and he lost control and Jiang Cheng’s sister died. Why? Of course, we know why. Wei Wuxian didn’t have a golden core and the resentful energy he used was slowly eating his soul alive. But Jiang Cheng doesn’t know this until Wen Ning tells him. Only then the can piece together what actually happened a decade ago. Before that, I think Jiang Cheng blamed everything that happened on Wei Wuxian’s arrogance that he thought he could handle the negative effects demonic cultivation has on your soul and demonic cultivation itself. In that context the hunting of demonic cultivators seems a lot more logical, almost justified even. If Jiang Cheng blamed demonic cultivation on everything going wrong, it makes sense to try your best to eradicate it. Understanding what happened is also one of the things necessary to letting go. And that is something that can happen now that Jian Cheng knows the truth.

The second reason why Jiang Cheng holds on to his anger is because it’s a survival technique. A way of coping with his mountain of trauma. After Jiang Yanli died, Wei Wuxian lost control, killed thousands of people in his grief and anger, and if Lan Wangji hadn’t saved him, he would’ve died there. And that only delays the inevitable, we don’t know much of what happened those few months between the Nightless City and the Siege of the Burial Mounds, but I’m pretty sure Wei Wuxian just got lost in his grief. The only the thing novel says about Jiang Cheng right after his sister dies is that he holds her body, not fully realizing what has happened yet. But it makes sense that after reality sets in, he also gets consumed by grief and anger. Which he utilizes to storm the Burial Mounds. But then Wei Wuxian is dead, and nothing is better. So, Jiang Cheng has two options, lean into the grief or redirect his anger to a new target. He holds onto the anger because it keeps him going, gives him purpose. And he needs to keep going, because he has a sect to run and a now parentless nephew that he feels responsible for. It’s not healthy, it’s not good. It makes him bitter and miserable. But maybe he thinks he deserves that.

Which leads me to my final reason. Jiang Cheng does not hate Wei Wuxian and he hates himself for it. I think there are hints of it spread throughout the novel. Jiang Cheng doesn’t allow dogs in Lotus Pier, and he keeps Chenqing (which I do not think he used as bait, since no one knew he had it.). He refuses to believe that Wei Wuxian is truly gone even though he saw him die (or was at least close by). When he finally has Wei Wuxian in his grasp, he sets a (well-trained) dog in front of him and the only thing he seems to want is for Wei Wuxian to apologize and to take him back to Lotus Pier and make him kneel in front of the ancestral shrine. Now, is using Fairy to keep Wei Wuxian under control cruel? Absolutely. But at no point did he have Fairy attack him or hurt him in any other way. It’s not nice, but it’s not the horrible torture that you would expect from Sandu Shengshou. However, what really convinced me that Jiang Cheng doesn’t hate Wei Wuxian is his breakdown at Guangyin temple.

And here it is clear to me that we read Jiang Cheng’s outburst in the temple very differently. Because where you read Jiang Cheng interpretating Wei Wuxian’s sacrifice as an act of heroism, proving that he’s the better man, I saw the scene much more as Jiang Cheng tearing himself down. He uses the most effective technique he knows, the one his mother always used (and his father to a lesser degree). The way that his parents made him feel like shit. Comparing himself to Wei Wuxian, and always coming up short. And I do think there is a subtle difference between the two interpretations. Because in one, Jiang Cheng keeps blaming Wei Wuxian, in the other, he’s placed the blame on himself. He starts naming all the bad things that he could trace back to Wei Wuxian, there is a desperation to him when he does it. This is what he has held onto for thirteen years, the anger, the bitterness. But most of these grievances boil down to Wei Wuxian leaving, and Jiang Cheng not knowing why. He keeps repeating that he’s ‘supposed to hate him’, but what’s notably absent is him actually saying that he hates Wei Wuxian. That’s because he doesn’t. He’s hurt and he’s angry, but that’s not the same as hate. And now he knows that most of the things that he has spend over a decade blaming Wei Wuxian for, all happened because Wei Wuxian gave him his golden core. So really, the one to blame is him. “Why is it that now it’s like I’m supposed to have wronged you.” He says and the anger he felt for so long is no longer righteous and so it’s losing its grip on him. He knows that Wei Wuxian did it out of love because he did the same. If he’d still been angry, that would be the moment he would reveal his own sacrifice. Because that would bring this nebulous blame back to Wei Wuxian. But he doesn’t. He’s no longer angry and now the only thing that remains is his grief. He asks Wei Wuxian why he didn’t tell him, repeats the dream they had, the dream he had, of them leading the Jiang Sect together. There’s intense sadness there. Maybe, if he had known, things would’ve turned out differently (though honestly, I don’t think it would’ve. I think that if Jiang Cheng would’ve taken Wei Wuxian’s side the Jiang sect would’ve been eradicated along with the Wen remnants, but maybe that’s just me being a pessimist). In the end Wei Wuxian apologizes to him and Jiang Cheng lets out a laugh and mockingly says what a fragile person he is that he needed an apology after all this time. The one he’s mocking is himself, because he did need to hear his brother acknowledge that he hurt him. That validation of feelings is also a step in the right direction of closure and healing.

Now I’ve spent over a thousand words on Jiang Cheng’s feelings and while I could go on about his other, older traumas, that would only make things even longer (if anyone’s curious, you can ask, and I may write more), so now we’re going to switch to the other side of the story, Wei Wuxian.

I will go in less detail with Wei Wuxian, because most of MDZS is from his point of view, so we all know a lot more about his motivations. Let me be very clear that I also love Wei Wuxian. I have kind of latched on to Jiang Cheng as a comfort character (because I do have a weakness for sad assholes), but that does not mean that I dislike Wei Wuxian in any way.

Now, I’ve read a lot of anti-Jiang Cheng posts, and meta against a reconciliation and there are two points that I see come back a lot. Which is that Jiang Cheng is abusive towards Wei Wuxian and that Jiang Cheng abandoned Wei Wuxian when he needed him most, so of course it would be best to cut such a toxic person out of his life. The thing is, while his fans might feel that way, I don’t think Wei Wuxian shares those feelings. Though of course, this is my interpretation of the book and of course I think I’m correct, but you do not have to agree with me.

I think everyone can agree that Madam Yu physically and emotionally abused Wei Wuxian when he was a child/teen. She took the frustrations of her failing marriage out on a kid that had nothing to do with it. She was completely wrong to do so. Meanwhile Jiang Fengmian did not do enough to stop it. You know who did try his best to stop his mother? Jiang Cheng. But he was just as much a kid as Wei Wuxian and couldn’t do much. And he does this with others as well. His harping on Wei Wuxian to behave, to not start trouble, to not play the hero are attempts to keep his brother safe. And I absolutely think that Wei Wuxian knows this. He doesn’t listen, because in the end, Wei Wuxian does what he thinks is right, no matter the consequences and Jiang Cheng does get frustrated by that. But that’s not abuse, and I don’t think there is any point in Wei Wuxian’s first life where he’s scared of Jiang Cheng hurting him (maybe the exception being when Jiang Cheng strangles Wei Wuxian after his parents die. But that is a moment of madness in grief, not okay, but abuse generally implies a pattern of behavior and that’s not what that is.) In Wei Wuxian second life their roles are different, and I do think he’s a bit scared of what Jiang Cheng might do to him. But again, I wouldn’t classify that as abuse. Wei Wuxian also very much does feel responsible for Jiang Yanli’s death, so he doesn’t blame Jiang Cheng for blaming him. Several times he defends Jiang Cheng when others talk badly about him. And the only time he gets upset with his brother is when Jiang Cheng directs his anger to someone other that Wei Wuxian. Wei Wuxian also never feels abandoned by Jiang Cheng because he doesn’t. This one is always a bit weird to me. Like, I do get being upset that Jiang Cheng didn’t openly support his brother after he took the Wen remnants, it was an awful situation and Jiang Cheng was a young sect leader of a still recovering and vulnerable sect. Immediately after Wei Wuxian frees the Wens, Jiang Cheng does try to defend his brother’s actions, but gets steamrolled over by the other sect leaders, until Mianmian stands up and defends Wei Wuxian, then she leaves the Jin sect and goes rogue. But she is just a simple person and her support is really only for that meeting, she doesn’t go to the Burial Mounds to join Wei Wuxian, so she’s not a threat. But if Jiang Cheng were to support Wei Wuxian it would just broaden the target to include both the Wen remnants and the Jiang sect. Jin Guangshan is not going to allow Wei Wuxian to just exist, not if he has the tiger seal. That is what Jiang Cheng tries to convince Wei Wuxian of when he visits the Burial Mounds. He literally says, “If you insist on protecting them, I cannot protect you.” Because he knows what is going to happen. And Wei Wuxian also knows, but he accepts the consequences because it’s the right thing to do. By cutting himself off from the Jiang sect, he is removing the risk that the people of Yunmeng Jiang become collateral damage. Jiang Cheng is the only reason the Jiang sect still exists, he cannot distance himself in a way that would support Wei Wuxian and bring no danger to his people, so he accepts Wei Wuxian defecting.

But make no mistake, the one who feels abandoned here is not Wei Wuxian, but Jiang Cheng. When Jiang Cheng apologizes to him in Guanyin temple, Wei Wuxian dismisses it, because he thinks there is no need for Jiang Cheng to apologize and urges Jiang Cheng to move on and let go, because it’s a lifetime ago. And maybe in that moment Wei Wuxian does mean it as moving on from each other, because he still felt like he had to repay the Jiang sect in some way and giving Jiang Cheng closure is a way to do that. And maybe Jiang Cheng takes it that way and convinces himself that it’s for the best that they each go their separate ways. But that’s not necessarily what they want.

So now we are post-Canon. Wei Wuxian does not have any negative feelings about Jiang Cheng, maybe still a vague feeling of responsibility and guilt but that’s it. Jiang Cheng has given up on his anger and can finally go through the other stages of grief. It might take a while, especially because I do see Jiang Cheng as the type to keep busy to distract him from pesky feelings and Jin Ling will definitely need guidance in restoring his sect. But eventually Jiang Cheng will reach acceptance and can look to the future, instead of being held captive by his past. And that is when I think he’ll reach out to Wei Wuxian. Because I don’t think they value different things. They both want to protect, Wei Wuxian wants to protect everyone, especially the weak and helpless. Jiang Cheng wants to protect his family and sect. Those aren’t different, it was the sad circumstance that in the political climate after the Sunshot campaign, it was impossible to do both. That is where things went wrong. Neither Wei Wuxian nor Jiang Cheng was capable at the time to express their thoughts and emotions in a way that the other would understand, so they talked past each other, and withheld information. The lack of communication was detrimental in a world that seemed intent on tearing them apart. Because Wei Wuxian was a wild card that they didn’t want around, and Jiang Cheng was struggling to keep his head above water as a sect leader and couldn’t stand up to it.

After thirteen years the air has finally cleared and the sting has been removed from Jiang Chengs wounds and if he finds the courage to reach out to Wei Wuxian, I’m pretty sure Wei Wuxian would be nothing but happy. Letting go of trauma and sadness doesn’t have to mean letting go of everyone that was involved in that. They both hurt each other, but they also care deeply. And maybe now they’re ready to be honest (maybe with a little help from Jin Ling). Eventually Jiang Cheng can tell Wei Wuxian why he was captured by the Wens, without it being an accusation. Maybe Wei Wuxian will realize that Jiang Cheng didn’t care about any kind of repayment to Yunmeng Jiang, that Wei Wuxian has value just by himself, that Jiang Cheng just wanted his brother, but didn’t have the words to say so.

I don’t know, I just think it would be nice for them both.

#jiang cheng #wei wuxian #mdzs #cql #yunmeng shuangjie #mdzs meta #this is 4 pages in word and took me several hours to write #God I hope I got my point across #If you disagree with something or I remembered something wrong from canon feel free to message me #Or if you agree with me that's also nice to know #this is pretty much my yunmeng bro magnum opus #There is more to talk about I hardly touch on their childhood traumas here #and there is the role Jin Ling Lang Wangji and Wen Ning might play in any past and future interactions #but there is already so much #whatever your opinion please be kind #and if you can't be kind just block me #the untamed #fuck i forgot that tag oh well

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If Wei Wuxian Grew Up In Different Sects (or with our lovely Rogue Cultivators)

ft. fanfictions I’ve read for each of them - excluding Yunmeng Jiang Sect

Warnings: Spoilers for MDZS, Canon-typical Yu Ziyuan and her treatment to WWX, a few uncensored cursing

Yunmeng Jiang Sect

Clearly, we know that he and the Jiangs have a- complicated relationship. With Jiang FengMian it’s on a thin line, and though it’s clear he cares for WWX - JFM still sees WWX as just a disciple, not a son because the last words he says to WWX are “A-Ying, A-Cheng... you must look after him.”

With Madam Yu it’s clear that their relationship is unhealthy, she basically abuses him. With Jiang Cheng it’s also unhealthy - as much as I loathe to say it, they will NEVER get the reconciliation we want because WWX has done too much for JC to forgive and JC and his anger issues are not safe for WWX. The only ACTUAL healthy relationship he’s got in the Jiang Sect is with Jiang Yanli. She forgives a lot and it’s clear she loves WWX.

Gusu Lan Sect

Ah - yes, this one. In all honesty, if he WERE to be found by the Lans he would’ve probably be well-behaved since he was just a child and easy to, how do I say it - teach. 

He might still have his playfulness but it would be toned down quite a lot. I also like to think that he would get along with Madam Lan and most probably prevent her death. This may be an unpopular opinion, but he and Lan Xichen would get along well, and LXC would be the one to make him comfortable first. WWX would still grow close with Lan Wangji of course, but if anything happens he would not go to LWJ first.

If they grew up together, I’m sorry - but I can’t imagine that he would date LWJ then. But, you can think the other way around! I don’t boss you and tell you who to ship and who not to ship! 

Fanfiction: ‘Some call it kidnapping. The Lan Clan call it adoption.’ by IceBreeze 

Summary: “Lan Zhan, Lan Zhan, look!” Wei Ying did a twirl. “I’m the same as you now! Am I pretty? Say Lan Zhan, am I pretty?”

Huan muffled a laugh behind his sleeve as A-Zhan said “Mn,” eyes never once leaving Wei Ying. There was something a little like awe in his stare, like Wei Ying was the only one in the world to him at that moment, and if Huan hadn’t already known that his little brother cared deeply for Wei Ying then that look would have been all the confirmation he needed.

(If A-Zhan knew what marriage and romance was beyond the vague explanations he’d heard then he’d probably already be courting Wei Ying, with all the dogged determination he shows everything he puts his mind to. It’s adorable, and Huan supports it wholeheartedly, no matter what direction it heads in the end).

Or: an AU Wei Wuxian is taken in by the Lan clan instead of the Jiangs.

Qishan Wen Sect

Hm, this one is quite complicated. To be honest, WWX would probably fit in well in the sect, and Wen Ruohan most possibly cares about power, and WWX is powerful so he’d care for him AND Wen Xu. Wen Chao is just there in the background being bullied, I like to think.

WWX would make Wen Qing their head doctor and give her more power, while he would also help Wen Ning with archery. All and all he would be alright in the Wen Sect, but there would still be a couple casualties here and there, because of Wen Chao’s jealousy.

Fanfiction:  ‘ He was brighter than the Sun’ by AncientOceanmelody

Summary:  Wei Wuxian was the head disciple of Yunmengjiang Sect, he was the pride of Yunmeng. Jiang Fengmian see him like a son, everyone (except Madam Yu) love him.

He would do everything for those who were dear to him.

So why do is feel horrible when Uncle Jiang didn't hesitate when he offer himself to the Wens instead of Jiang Cheng?

Why is he crying?

After all, he was just the son of a friend, the son of a servant, is was obvious his Uncle would prefer his Sect over him.

Qinghe Nie Sect

Again, I’m gonna be honest, but this sect would be the BEST one for WWX to grow up in. Nie Mingjue would get along great with WWX (we’re ignoring canon GROWN WWX) and Nie Huaisang has another brother :D

NHS and WWX would use their time to cause mischief and plot stuff while NMJ is like “These are my brothers. They’re annoying. Don’t you fucking dare lay a finger on them.”

Just - THEY WOULD BE THE HEALTHIEST RELATIONSHIP EVER IN ALL THE SECTS! NMJ taking care of WWX and NHS, NHS constantly worrying over WWX and NMJ because they fight (you know- war I mean) and WWX just being the self-sacrificing moron he is and protecting NMJ and NHS

Fanfiction: ‘shades of grey’ by cl410

Summary: This was why he didn’t like to leave the Unclean Realm, Nie Mingjue thought with dismay. Guileless dark eyes blinked up at him, tiny hands clutching at his robes.

Or: Nie Mingjue comes across Wei Wuxian before Jiang Fengmian, and decides Nie Huaisang could use a friend.

Lanling Jin Sect

OH BOY! I just love Jin Zixuan getting along with WWX and being an older brother to him. I would think that if JZX (Not Zixun, I despise him) grew up with WWX they would definitely get along and have a healthier relationship than the Yunmeng Bros. Jin Guangshan would definitely not see the point in having WWX in there, and Madam Jin is much more empathetic and she would be the on to take care of WWX.

You may be wondering - Jin Zixuan is Jin Zixuan. Wouldn’t his pride get in the way of things? He’s not called a peacock for no reason, and yes! I can see why you think that! But look at MianMian! She’s JZX best friend BECAUSE she probably grew up with him, and it’s clear in terms of temperament she’s better than JZX and she might even rival him in swordsmanship. If given the choice to grow up with him, WWX would have an amazing brotherly relationship with JZX, and would most likely accept the fact that WWX is amazing and would be PROUD of him. 

Also JZX’s relationship with Jiang Yanli may improve JUST BECAUSE WWX is there

(I might just be biased, idk)

Fanfiction: ‘Twin Treasures’ by crossdressingdeath

Summary: When Madame Jin happens to come across Cangse Sanren's orphaned son on a trip to Yiling, she can't bring herself to leave him there. Wei Wuxian finds a somewhat different family. Jin Zixuan finds a little brother. The course of history changes accordingly.

(Some things are written in fate, but even fate itself changes.)

Rogue Cultivators - Song Zichen and Xiao Xingchen

Let me point out first that Xingchen is ETHEREAL! HE’S THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PERSON ON THE PLANET! (Song Jiyang is amazing istg I’ve never watched The Untamed but I’ve SEEN clips of them like 哥你怎样那么美). 

ANYWAYS, BACK TO THE POINT! Xiao Xingchen and Song Zichen would be amazing parents, don’t deny it. SZC would be rocky at taking care of WWX at first but he would get the hang of it and be the most over-protective person on the planet and would KILL ANYONE who hurts his family. Xiao Xingchen on the other hand would be the doting and loving parent. He spoils WWX but not as much as SZC (though he would never admit it). SZC and XXC would be the best if you want WWX to have parental figures.

Fanfiction:  ‘Frost moon's sun’ by RenaFair

Summary: Xiao Xingchen and Song Lan had dreamed of founding a sect together, that is until Xingchen heard what happened to his shijie. The two then decides to put their little dream on hold as they care for a pair of tiny hands between them, protecting the little boy with a sunshine smile as best as they can.

Alternately; Xiao Xingchen and Song Lan adopted Wei Ying after his parents' death.

#the untamed #mo dao zu shi #wei ying #wei wuxian #jiang cheng #jiang wanyin #jiang yanli #mdzs #jiang fengmian #yu ziyuan #lan zhan #lan wangji #lan xichen #wen qing #wen ning #wen qionglin #wen ruohan #nie huaisang #nie mingjue #madam jin #jin zixuan #jin guangshan #song lan #song zichen #xiao xingchen #and his ethereal beauty #yunmeng jiang #yunmeng family #yunmeng siblings #gusu lan

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The Untamed fic recs

For @cosmoglaut, who enjoys the wuxian setting and mentioned "Anything that is post-canon that gets into their last separation, the timeskip, the reunion later… or anything that gets into JC and WWX’s relationship… or LXC and LWJ’s relationship.. or things from LWJ’s POV (if that’s possible!).. Arranged Marriage AU I can try!"

Okay, this got really long (huh. I've been reading a bit lately) so we're going to group them into rough ideas.

Post-canon stories

With Absolute Splendor (43533 words) by Lise Or: the one with sibling reconciliation, brother-in-laws from hell, and Jiang Cheng trying to sort through his feelings while acknowledging them as little as possible. JC insisting that if WWX is going to get married, then he's going to do it right -- even if that means JC has to organise it himself. (Honestly, all the Yunmeng Bro feels, and I take a weird joy from JC and LWJ absolutely not getting on.)

but love is impossible & it goes on despite the impossible (25413 words) by gaystcr

Jiang Cheng is planning on avoiding Wei Wuxian after things blow over, but life has a way of fucking plans up, and so Wei Wuxian comes to tell him that he's getting married to Lan Wangji. By throwing himself into half-planning a wedding and having conversations with his nephew(s) and other members of Wei Wuxian's found family, Jiang Cheng navigates through his complicated feelings and realises that something new can be built with his brother, and that he is far less alone than he had thought. (Because the only thing better than one JC-plans-WWX’s-wedding story is two!)

Five Dogs, One Cat (13443 words) by ryfkah People start gifting JC with puppies. This is as adorable and hilarious as it sounds. It captures so many characters so well.

everyone else is spring bound (18353 words) Lise This is a gorgeous post-canon look at JC and finding a way to repair his relationship with WWX. Just... oh, I can never get enough of post-canon Yunmeng Bros.

some good mistakes (18348 words) Lise Wei Wuxian has been wandering alone for six months when he suddenly stops writing. This is deeply concerning to at least a few people. Jiang Cheng is not among them. No, really, he's not. WWX stops writing, so LWJ and JC go out to save him. So much bro-in-law squabbling and JC being my favourite crankypants.

little a-ying (16556 words) by byeollie A night hunt goes awry and WWX gets turned into a four year old. An adorable four year old. Basically, this story is an excuse for the juniors and LWJ to be utterly charmed by little WWX.

hunters seeking solid ground (23633 words) by Attila “Hanguang-jun,” Wei Wuxian repeats. His heart clenches. He wants—but he’d really meant to have this nightmare stuff down before they met again, so he wouldn’t find himself relying on Lan Wangji’s nearness. He’s not supposed to go back yet. But he’s so tired, and his will crumbles. “Yeah,” he says. “All right. Take me back to Gusu with you.”

Linger by the Door (I've Always Been Yours) (78447 words) by piecrust Wei Wuxian travels the world alone, finding homes in unexpected places, and loving Lan Zhan one letter at a time. There’s a lovely slow pace to this one. I do love getting to see WWX figure out his own feelings and then return to LWJ.

your words upon my lips (17831 words) by uchiuchi (In which Wei Wuxian and Lan Wangji investigate a curse and get cursed instead. Everything they try to say comes out of the other person's mouth. It can only go downhill from there.) I love the viewpoint in this, how WWX may play at being shameless but he takes his responsibilities to the juniors very seriously, how much he adores LWJ and also recognises how much more there is to LWJ than the reserved, graceful surface that the juniors see. 

Arranged Marriage AUs Because this is a canon where marriages are arranged for political reasons, but that doesn't actually make it easier for people to figure out they're in love.

seldom all they seem (24930 words) by Fahye He bows to Wei Wuxian, sword in hand, sleeves falling properly. Wei Wuxian bows in return, and the sect leaders begin the opening courtesies, and for all of ten minutes Lan Wangji is under the impression that he is betrothed to a boy who is perfectly normal and acceptable apart from an unfortunate tendency to fidget with his clothes.That impression does not last. Even knowing you’re betrothed to someone doesn’t make it easier to get through everything. It does make WWX leaving with the Wens even more heartbreaking, though.

a stone to break your soul, a song to save it (180247 words) by rikke When the entire cultivation world turns against Wei Wuxian, Jiang Cheng comes up with a plan to save him and arranges a marriage between his brother and the Second Jade of Lan, Lan Wangji. Long and involved and surprisingly plot-focused, this starts as JC arranging a marriage to save WWX reputation and the Wens at the Burial Mounds. Honestly, these two are champions at managing to marry someone and then yearn for them.

Canon-divergent AUs / Fixits This is a canon where there are so many spots where someone could have done something differently and everything would have worked out? (Or would have hurt in different ways, sometimes.)

The Fire Lapping Up the Creek (66299 words) by notevenyou Wei Wuxian travels to Lanling for his nephew’s one-month celebration alone, without Wen Ning. Lan Wangji lives with the consequences. The idea of LWJ joining WWX inthe Burial Mounds and helping with the Wens makes me so happy, and this story does a lovely job of exploring that.

And Time Is But a Paper Moon (139032 words) by sami Time-travel fic. Or more accurately, WWX finds a way to travel back into his own past and tries to fix events. (My favourite part of this is how much earlier LWJ/WWX would have happened if WWX didn’t spend their teen years laughing all the flirting off as a joke. A little bit more courage and steadiness, and they would have come to an understanding much earlier.)

Vaguely Fairytale Yiling Patriach stories Look, I love a good fairytale, and it turns out that there’s a few set in the Burial Mounds/Yiling Patriach setting that I find lovely. I say fairytale, but these are set within the cql/untamed universe. They just... follow familiar patterns of stories.

what else is there? (12917 words) by mme_anxious Jin Guangyao transforms Lan Wangji into a swan. Only an act of love will break the curse. This is really good. And while it’s an old Swan Princess retelling, I completely believe that there probably are curses that can transform people and this is exactly how LWJ would react -- determined and annoyed.

the shadow of a name in skin (8995 words) by iliacquer Wei Wuxian doesn’t let the Wen Remnants hand themselves over after Jin Zixuan’s death. Instead he makes one last sacrifice to ensure they survive. Months later, a Lan cultivator kneels at the edge of the Burial Mounds, ready to offer himself to the feared Yiling Patriarch. Or: Sacrifice is an old magic, but love is even older.

the stars in the hazy heaven tremble above you (64362 words) by cicer In which Wei Ying, a fugitive from justice, sneaks into the palace, steals from the imperial family, and eats his words. Cinderella AU, where WWX sneaks into the palace to steal (so the Wens can survive the coming winter) and unintentionally falls for the Second Prince. Honestly, it’s delightful.

And this last one is a cheat. It’s not set around the Yiling Patriach time, but who can really resist LWJ as Cinderella, sneaking out of Cloud Recesses to see WWX before he marries someone else? all your life you'll dream of this (22668 words) by Attila Lan Wangji should refuse. He should. He looks back down at the mask. Beneath it is the soft creamy paper of the invitation. He could present this at the door and slip into the palace and— “Go see him, Wangji,” Lan Xichen says quietly, and Lan Wangji feels his resolve crumble beneath him.

#the untamed #fic recs #copying and pasting these links took an hour #it's so much easier to share individual fics from AO3

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i hv to say i disagree respectfully with the last ask saying the jiang siblings turned away from wwx! the way i see it, jc has always been showing how he cares abt wwx, he was the one to pick up pieces after wwx messes up, he lost his golden core to protect wwx, he went to burial moulds bc he wants to protect wwx, he didnt tell wwx he lost his core bc he was trying to protect wwx & make wwx feel guilty... & i agree w your reply, cause jc is a sect leader he cannot afford to do things 1/?

like wwx, he has too much to consider. i honestly cant see how jc has turned away from wwx. & jyl was always the most selfless & kind, she cared for her brothers so much, she only got w jzx after he became better, he was a jerk when hes young but he even agreed to let wwx come to see jl, he really did love jyl, he didnt even do anything that terrible. but the point is how could we say jyl turned away from wwx when she literally DIED FOR HIM? 2/3

anyway i am passionate abt jiang siblings they could hv been SO much more, i loved their dynamics & yunmeng shuangjie will forever hv a place in my heart, healthy relationships are maintained by all parties & none of them are faultless because they are human ! 3/3

i’ll chuck my answer under a keep reading! 

i agree with you 100% i think the yunmeng bros relationship is very complicated and there’s a lot of factors that actually play into it 

the thing is he does sorta turn away from wwx in the end though, the whole reason why lwj is so antagonistic towards jc is that he didn’t do more when he could’ve, showing his support for wwx as a sect leader and as a brother would have meant a lot more than the bare minimum lwj was able to do (he blames himself for it too but that’s another lwj character study to go into that will get way too long here) 

yes he does do a lot to protect wwx esp at the start when they’re ‘estranged’, he makes sure wwx gets to see his sister in her wedding clothes he does truly care about him because they’re brothers at the end of the day but he also lets the gossip and sect leader talk get to him and to me that’s his biggest character flaw 

and his incapability of talking about his emotions but that’s apparently common for everyone alskdjasd 

there’s a fine line to walk between not caring about what others say about him, yunmeng jiang and wwx and maintaining his reputation and respectability as a sect leader; he’s allowed to not let what others say behind their backs get to him and still be a sect leader, he didn’t have to have such violent reactions and let everything people say affect him so much but that’s literally just jc’s personality, he cares about wwx but at the same time he’s thinking ‘why did you have to go and do this, why are you making it so hard for me to try and help you’ and it quickly turns into pretty ugly thoughts 

when wwx comes back, his first reaction is ‘why didn’t you come home to lotus pier the minute you came back to life’ and he’s so majorly pissed off about it, it shows that deep down he does care about him and he misses his brother but tbf it’s been 16 years (or 13 years in mdzs) and he’s spent every waking moment searching for any sign of demonic cultivation and literally just torturing them + jin ling is a reminder every day that wwx is reason why his only nephew doesn’t have parents any more SO i can see why he is a little bit more emotionally inept than usual

i personally don’t think reconciliation is possible for them in the future; respectfully maintaining distance and not at each other’s throats, yes, but i don’t think they can ever be what they were before (doesn’t mean i don’t enjoy reading yunmeng bro reconciliation fics alskdj) they’ve both said too much and hurt each other beyond their breaking points and i just don’t think a relationship that’s broken down this much can ever really be repaired 

i honestly don’t know what my point was i’ve gone on such a tangent i’ve like lost track BUT IN CONCLUSION jc is a complicated angry grape and while i’m not his biggest fan (personal opinion) i can recognise that beneath all that there’s a little part of him that will always care about wwx and value his wellbeing even if he hates seeing wwx with lwj lmao 

QUICK NOTE ABOUT SHIJIE, in this household we stan shijie and all the women in the untamed who all deserved better but unfortunately mxtx hates women

#i honestly had a point when i was writing this #and i like lost it three sentences in #jiang cheng is an interesting character y'all #i don't like him #bc i'm protective of wwx #but still #asks #replies #k-ths