Context for the sexual culture of Victorians, and why it's dangerous to oversimplify it
Acting like Victorian’s sexual culture is just ‘repressed’ is to remove all nuance from the subject. To show what I mean, I think it’s important to look at the reasons we may be seen as prudish right now:
The rates of highschoolers having sex has been on a decline since the 90s (down 15%)
The number of explicit movies shown in theater is on a decline
Social-distancing has caused people to be less comfortable with physical contact, even post lockdown.
There’s been a lot of anxiety that Gen Z and Millennials are too prudish, but this fails to consider the nuances of these facts:
The decrease in sex among teens has more to do with an increase in entertainment available for teens, as well as a decrease in virgin-shaming, due to higher awareness of asexuality and consent, as well as growing anxiety about sexual expectations.
The decrease in explicit movies in theaters is mostly due to the popularity of streaming services, seen in shows like Bridgerton, etc.
People have been connecting non-physically via the internet, so in even though being physically with other people is more difficult, people are still connecting
It’s not that there hasn’t been a rise in sexual-repression per se, but boiling things down to “kids aren’t having sex these days” is a massive generalization that isn’t helping anyone. And viewing Victorian sexuality as this caricature or prudishness isn’t going to give any insight to the actual problems underlying their perception of sex.
This is part of my issue with a lot of historical fiction about the 1800s, they want to give commentary on purity-culture and sexuality, but they can’t conceptualize it beyond a surface level idea of “sex feels good” so it ends up feeling like poorly written smut catered purely to the male-gaze, which they claim is somehow feminist. The sexual repression of women in this time was more complicated than that, the leading factors were:
A female monarch in a committed and intensely passionate marriage after five male rulers, notorious for debauchery
A rise in the Evangelical Protestant Subsect
Better rights for single women as opposed to married women
A Rising number of STD’s, particularly syphilis
A lack of custody rights for mothers
Both a rise in and banning of sexually explicit fiction
Women's Suffrage
The trial of Oscar Wilde
Most of the rumors you hear about the time period, like the idea that tablecloths were a matter of propriety, or that female orgasms were a medical treatment, are untrue. Marriage books from the time claimed that conception was more likely if both partners climaxed. And self-pleasuring was frowned upon regardless of gender.
Although Puritanical expectations were a factor in the sexual repression of women, I would argue that women's sexual repression was mostly due to a lack of contraceptive, STD protection, and human rights.
To be clear this isn’t to say that puritanical culture wasn’t a factor, but it was one of many, and the idea that no women has enjoyed sex is often used to frame sexual pleasure as a privilege that modern women should feel indebted to men for having, and it’s not. Don’t feed into the idea that social progression is purely linear, especially when it’s used as an excuse to silence the marginalized.
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Yeah, people suck. Now that the fandom is on life support, the hate has retreated back into the shadows. Thank goodness! I've read "gen" stories by slash writers where John and Rodney both secretly hated Elizabeth, who was shrill and incompetent. The worst were negative physical comments about Torri (which I never understood, cause the woman is gorgeous).
That’s absolutely baffling to me. I know some people don’t like Elizabeth and that’s fine, not every character is for a everyone, but I don’t get how you can actually hate her
And hating her only for the reason bc she “gets in the way” is just nuts and unreflective.
I’m glad it has become less hateful tho.
But also????? John and Rodney secretly hating Elizabeth? I feel like every slash shipper is always on the look out for the most minute movements, gestures, shots and cuts and scenes between their ship (and i’m guilty of that myself) but you gotta look past that at some point don’t you?
Like for me, I usually focus on one character or one ship the first time watching something and I ignore/forget about 80% about everything else that’s happening but upon rewatches I notice so much more, I realize how full the shows are, how intricate the relationships to other characters, outside the ship!
Also if you don’t ship John/Elizabeth and you want to get her “out of the way” there are so many better things to do than making them hate her😭 a) don’t put her in the story at all. b) make her oblivious to their relationship. c) make her ignore the relationship. d) make her ship them too!
Do whatever the fuck you want but it’s embarrassing to absolutely mischaracterize a woman character for the benefit of *your* ship.
I’m sorry I kinda went off the rails here but that actually bothers me a lot even tho it’s now (mostly) in the past.
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