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anghraine · 2 years
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Sparing a brief thought for my other beloveds, Faramir and Éowyn, and Tolkien emphasizing in the letters that both are motherless. It’s interesting that he seemed to consider this important, despite saying almost nothing about it—though, of course, there is the iconic imagery of Faramir giving Éowyn Finduilas’s mantle.
The parallels between the ruling families of Gondor and Rohan are hard to miss (both in terms of the similarities and polar oppositions) and Faramir corresponds to both Éowyn and Éomer in multiple ways, so while I’m not a super enthusiastic fan of dead mothers, there is a structural logic to both Finduilas and Théodwyn (who incidentally were also related) being dead. In any case, it’s interesting to think about the significance this had for Tolkien in terms of how Faramir and Éowyn relate to each other.
(Naturally I wish this was ... actually in LOTR, lol, and not just in letters. Éowyn doesn’t seem to mentally link herself to any other women, whether Théodwyn, Morwen, or anyone else, and despite the pretty obvious suggestion that Faramir’s gentleness comes from Finduilas, he is much more overtly and consistently linked to Denethor in the body of the novel. But nevertheless, it’s an intriguing possibility to explore.)
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marblecarved · 4 months
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swordoaths · 8 months
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@marblecarved spoke: do you remember what i told you? / from Théodwyn to Éomer
Unscathed was he in body, for skill and fortune had blessed him, but his eyes had seen much and his heart had felt even more. A shadow of the darkest kind had taken much from their kin long ere the fierce song of the Rohirrim came in answer to Gondor's call for aid. And though good prevailed and the Age of Men came shining with hope renewed, such victory did not come without a price.
Éomer King rode through the gates of Edoras surrounded by his riders and a gathering crowd that welcomed their return. Accompanying him was the body of Théoden King, pulled by the free will of the Mearas who bore the late King's weight for the last time. Éomer looked to his people--- a sea of faces with stern resolve who found in him reason not to despair, but to hope again. Almost instinctively, perhaps, he found his mother's face there amongst the masses. And though there was gladness in his heart at the sight of her alive and well, there was also grief--- for his uncle--- her brother.
The procession brought the body of Théoden King to rest in the halls for the last time before burial. And as Éomer emerged from the gathering crowds, his tall form singling him out as Théodwyn's son, he made his way to her.
"I could not forget what you have told me in song," he answered, hands reaching to clasp her forearms both in greeting and assurance. Hers were the words sung to steady the grieving heart of a young boy whose father did not return. "Théoden King rests now in the halls of our fathers. We honor him with our lives." Still, there was a knowing look there in his gaze. Something of shared sadness, long endured.
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Can Éomer read???
The text of LOTR suggests the answer is no (Aragorn says in Two Towers that the Rohirrim are strictly an oral tradition society) but, if you’ve seen my latest fic, you know that my personal answer is yes. Here’s why:
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Éomer’s grandfather lived in Gondor for years, married a Gondorian woman, and had his children there before returning to Rohan to serve as king. Since Gondor is a highly literate society, I think it’s extremely likely that those children, Théoden and Théodwyn, would have been taught to read and write, and they would have passed that on to their own children, Théodred, Éomer and Éowyn.
I also think it’s highly likely that the ruling family of any large kingdom would put some priority on basic literacy if only for the practicality of communicating across long distances. It would be significantly harder to transmit and receive effective messages to/from your (literate) allies in other lands if every single word and detail of each message had to be memorized and recited back. Heck, it would be much harder even to communicate back and forth with detailed updates and news between Edoras and other parts of Rohan! So reading and writing in Westron for the leadership, at least, seems like an expediency that would probably have been recognized even if the main Rohirric culture remains based on oral traditions only.
All of which is why, in my head canon, Éomer is literate. That doesn’t mean I think he relaxes with a novel on a rainy Saturday or even that he’s an especially *good* reader—I think he knows the fundamentals but he might be tripped up by long or unfamiliar words, and if he read out loud he would still have that kind of hesitant cadence that we hear in younger readers. But he definitely *can* read that battlefield intel report or (much more importantly!) write a sweet love note when needed!
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emyn-arnens · 11 months
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In honor of @genworkjune, I've put together a list of some of my favorite LOTR gen works. Works are organized by whether they take place before, during, or after the War of the Ring. If there is overlap between categories, the work is located in the category that fits the majority of the work. All works take place in book canon.
PRE-WAR OF THE RING
dark water burning through your bloodline by @rarepairnation (T, Faramir & Boromir, Faramir & Denethor, Faramir & Gandalf, Faramir & Aragorn, 4.2k):
Since his childhood, since as long as he remembers, Faramir has dreamt of a wave. It is not a dream of creation, nor of hope. It is the draining of the coastline before the flood. It is the inevitability of the fall. He watches the marble and gilt of Númenor drown countless times before he knows what Númenor was. Before he knows he is watching his forefathers die.
Daughters, Sisters, Wives by rhymer23 (G, Éowyn & OFCs, Éowyn & Théodwyn, Éowyn & Lothíriel, 4k):
"I should have given you sisters," her mother said. "This is such a place of men." This is a tale of Éowyn and the girls and women who might have been friends in the years of her childhood, the dark years of her growing, and in the years yet to come.
WAR OF THE RING
Called, I Answer by lynndyre (G, Aragorn & Faramir, ~900):
Aragorn heals Faramir and calls him back to himself.
Elegies Unwritten by nonisland (T, Merry & Éowyn, ~500):
Éowyn and Merry, on the road to the Pelennor Fields.
Last Summer by rhymer23 (G, Frodo & Sam & Merry & Pippin, 5.4k):
It is one year on, and the Shire has never been more glorious. But to the hobbits of the Fellowship, even the sweet taste of summer can stir memories of the winter that has passed.
theft and shrubbery by @southfarthing (G, Frodo & Sam & Merry & Pippin, 2.7k):
Hobbiton's notorious poetry society decides to hold its meeting in Sandyman's front garden. At midnight. Rather loudly. Frodo can't say he's particularly sorry about it.
The Road from the South by Evandar (G, Boromir, 1.4k):
Boromir hasn't truly rested since he left Gondor, and he knows that it should rightfully be Faramir on this quest, but that doesn't stop him from following the road north to Imladris.
Waiting on the Wise by rhymer23 (G, Boromir & Gandalf, Boromir & Merry & Pippin, Boromir & Elrond, 6.4k):
Boromir endured much hardship on his long journey to Rivendell. What comes after, in the quiet and safety of the House of Elrond, could prove yet harder to endure.
POST-WAR OF THE RING
The Swallow by rhymer23 (G, Merry & Pippin & Éomer, 4.3k):
Having said his last farewells to the Shire, Merry visits Edoras and its King one final time.
What the River Carries by dearfriendicanfly (G, Frodo & Merry, Merry & Pippin, 5.2k):
"I was just thinking that you aren't talking much." "...I'm talking to you now, aren't I?" "You are," Pippin admits. "But... you're not really saying anything, if you understand what I mean." The quest is over, and Merry is home, standing a whole foot taller than when he left. But with Frodo gone and Pippin coming of age, Merry isn't sure how he fits into anything anymore.
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dreambigdreamz · 4 months
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Written in the Stars — by Karliene
Um, so enjoy my not-so-great gif edits. I guess. It's mostly just for me to procrastinate on my fanfic hehe and there's more to this. Like I have in mind to make some more for Théodwyn & Éomund, as well as Nimbrethil Lothíriel's parents and something for Elfwine as well. I just love this song so much. Please listen to it! It's grand. Like no I cannot imagine anyone as destined as these two, goodbye. I am hopeless, you can well see.
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warrioreowynofrohan · 8 months
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Favourite Female Tolkien Character Poll - Round 1, Match 27
Morwen Steelsheen
The mother of Théoden, and of two daughters (one older than him and one younger). She was from Lossarnach in Gondor, and was seventeen years younger than her husband Thengel.
Éowyn was slender and tall, with a grace and pride that came to her out of the South from Morwen of Lossarnach, whom the Rohirrim had called Steelsheen.
Théodwyn
The youngest daughter of Morwen Steelsheen and Thengel, Théodwyn was the mother of Éomer and Éowyn; she died of illness when they were children, not long after her husband Éomund was killed in battle.
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Éowyn was a member of the House of Eorl and the niece of King Théoden of Rohan. She was renowned for slaying the Witch-king of Angmar. She was the daughter of Théodwyn, Théoden's sister, and Éomund of Eastfold; her brother was Éomer. Following the end of the War of the Ring, she and Faramir were married, and she bore one son, Elboron.
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Source: https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Éowyn
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brigwife · 8 months
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Tolkien: Théodwyn succumbed to grief after her husband died
Me: so what you're saying is, she killed herself and Éomer found her. And it fucked him up nice and bad.
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masterofbiography · 9 months
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Née en 2995 T. , Eowyn perdit son père Eomund, maréchal de la Marche, dès 3002 T. , tué par des Orques. Sa mère Théodwyn, décède peu après. À l'âge de sept ans, Eowyn et son frère aîné Eomer, partirent vivre à Meduseld auprès de leur oncle Théoden et de leur cousin Théodred. En 3014, le roi Théoden tomba malade, empoisonné par son conseiller Grima Langue-de-Serpent, qui servait le magicien Saruman. Eowyn fut obligée de rester au palais pour soigner le Roi, alors que son frère et son cousin combattaient pour défendre les frontières du Rohan. Le 25 février 3019, Théodred fut tué lors de lla première bataille des Gués de l'Isen. Le 2 mars, Eowyn vit l'arrivée à Meduseld de Gandalf, Aragorn, Legolas et Gimli. Gandalf libéra Théoden de l'emprise de Saruman, alors qu'Eowyn demeurait fascinée par Aragorn. Eowyn tomba amoureuse de celui-ci, descendant d'Isildur. Mais elle n'aimait de lui qu'un espoir de renom et le cœur de celui-ci était déjà lié par l'amour qu'il vouait à Arwen Undomiel depuis leur rencontre à Imladris bien des années auparavant et leur serment prononcé en Lothlorien. Déguisée en cavalier et sous le nom de Dernhelm, elle participe secrètement à la bataille des champs du Pelennor le 15 mars 3019 T. , accompagnée de Merry son fidèle ami. Elle fut confrontée au seigneur des Nazgûl, le Roi-Sorcier d'Angmar, qu'elle détruisit avec l'aide de Merry, accomplissant ainsi la prophétie de Glorfindel, selon laquelle, le seigne des Nazgûll ne serait pas tué par un homme. Son oncle Théoden s'écroula sous le poids de son cheval Nivacrin et mourut. Amenée aux Maisons de Guérison, elle y rencontra Faramir, intendant du Gondor depuis la mort de son père Denethor II. Eowyn est plutôt douce et on ne l'imagine pas se battre sur un champ de bataille. Cependant, elle est la première à vouloir se battre pour protéger son peuple. Elle cherche à être digne de son père et de son oncle le Roi même si elle doit mettre sa vie en danger. Elle est un mélange entre la douceur et la rage de vaincre. Dans de rares cas, je peux adapter Eowyn dans le contexte de Game of Thrones. Le « pays » d'où vient Eowyn ferait partie de « l'est » Arya souhaite voyager à la fin de la série). Les marcheurs blancs pourraient aussi bien menacer Westeros que le pays d'Eowyn ainsi que la menace Saruman qui pourrait menacer Westeros dans son désir de conquête. Je ne fais pas un copier/coller des films non plus, je m'en inspire beaucoup et change également beaucoup de choses pour rendre Eowyn encore plus présente.
Joue avec : Aragorn
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marblecarved · 7 months
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sleepily thinking grandma théodwyn thoughts,
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swordoaths · 7 months
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Going off the previous post of how important the spoken word is to the people of the Mark, it does merit a bit of discussion on the effects of languages used in the Royal House. Because there was a bit of contention!
So, people of the Mark speak Rohirric, but "the speech of Gondor" started to appear in the Royal house when Thengel King married Morwen Steelsheen, Éomer's grandmother. Morwen was Gondorian (and side note, it's through Morwen's line and her Dúnedain heritage that gives Éomer his height of 6'6"-- more about that here).
When Thengel married Morwen, there was some contention amongst the people of the language being used. It is said in Appendix A that Thengel "proved a good and wise king; though the speech of Gondor was used in his house, and not all men thought that good."
I want to take a bit to explain that contention, and it derives from the fact that the people of the Mark are orally based, and their word and language is the centerpiece of who they are. There are no written words about the people of the Mark, and when there is nothing of that kind, then the words they speak and the language they use become all the more important. And so, there's an arguable understanding as to why the people of the Mark may be less inclined to the thought of another language being used. If, say, Sindarin was historically used in the Royal House, and the vast majority of the people who live in the Mark do not understand it, then how can they trust the word of their King? How can they trust his honor?
Okay-- so then Thengel and Morwen have Elfhild, Théoden, and Théodwyn. Théodwyn is Éomer and Éowyn's mother, so you can see the way the Gondorian connection falls down the line.
Whether Éomer knows Sindarin is not specifically defined, though I would imagine he does understand the language to a certain extent. Certainly he uses Westron, or Common Speech, for others outside the Mark understand him, and only the people of the Mark speak Rohirric.
I don't believe he would default to the use of Sindarin, because Rohirric, to Éomer, is part of his identity and heart. Not speaking Rohirric would be akin to not accepting his culture and heritage. But he certainly is not ignorant of Sindarin. I think his background and family upbringing makes him less suspicious of the language than others may be.
Théodwyn may have used Sindarin in speaking with him, or in singing him songs when he was a child. When Éomer comes to the Royal House and is raised by Théoden, there could have been some Sindarin used there, as well. And then, when Éomer marries Lothíriel, there is yet another connection to the Sindarin language, and arguably a balancing of Rohirric and Sindarin used between them as they raise Elfwine, who is a child of two different cultures. And I do tend to think that Éomer likely spoke in Rohirric and Sindarin when exchanging marital vows to Lothíriel because he comes from an understanding of how important the spoken word is, and therefore wishes to honor her through the way she speaks.
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Did You Ask Me About Théodred’s Mom???
To the lovely anon who sent me an ask about Théodred’s mother—Tumblr randomly won’t let me post the incoming, but here is your answer regardless! All the below is my personal HC about Elfhild. (And it’s in my plans to write something about her soon-ish!)
Elfhild came from one of the most prominent families of the Westfold and was close kin to both Elfhelm and Grimbold. She was a great lover of lore and knew more of Rohan’s old songs and poems (those that documented their history and culture) than nearly anyone else. Because of the inherent link between history and music in Rohan, she was also an accomplished musician and a crafter of instruments. As an artisan, she was considered top tier, and she earned a fair amount of money in the instrument trade even though she didn’t really need to work because of her family’s wealth and prestige.
Thengel handpicked Elfhild to be Théoden’s wife, and it was really awkward for them at first because they hardly knew each other. As they spent time together, though, they built a great friendship and did come to love each other romantically. Théoden’s beloved youngest sister, Théodwyn, lived with them and, still being a child at the time, she looked up to Elfhild as a mother figure. Théodwyn particularly loved to sit on the terrace of Meduseld with Elfhild at night, where Elfhild would point out formations in the stars and make up little tales about the people and animals she saw there.
It took several years for Théodred to be conceived, and Elfhild was both ecstatic and relieved to find out she was pregnant. She spent happy months preparing for his arrival, and she composed him a bunch of songs and lullabies, including many based on the little constellation stories she had invented for Théodwyn. Late in her pregnancy, though, she began to have premonitions that it wouldn’t end well for her. She didn’t say anything about it to anyone, but she took some quiet steps to prepare, just in case. For example, she asked Elfhelm to move to Edoras so that her son would still be raised around someone from her family, and she taught Théodwyn all the songs and lullabies she had written so that Théodred could still hear them even if Elfhild herself couldn’t be the one to sing them.
She did, in fact, die in childbirth, and her death created a real crisis in Meduseld because Théoden did not handle it well. He retreated fully into grief, and because he couldn’t separate the birth of his son from the death of his wife, he had difficulty bonding with baby Théodred. As a result, Elfhelm and Théodwyn provided a lot of Théodred’s early love and care. Thengel died two years after Elfhild and had always urged Théoden to marry again so that Rohan would have a queen and Théodred a mother, but (as we know) he never did because he never fully got over Elfhild. Fortunately, though, Théoden did learn to put his grief in perspective and came to embrace Théodred and take over a more active role in his life. In gratitude to Elfhelm, Théoden put him in charge of Edoras’ forces (where we see him still at the start of LOTR—the functional First Marshal of the Mark whenever Théoden himself wasn’t around), and in gratitude to Théodwyn, he told her she could live with him for as long as she wanted (she stayed, keeping watch of Théodred, for another 10 years before she met Éomund and left to get married).
Théodred grew up with his mother very present in his life through the stories and memories shared by Théoden, Théodwyn and Elfhelm. When he was old enough, he got a tattoo on his chest of his favorite of the constellations from Elfhild’s songs/stories, and he frequently visited her grave just to talk to her and give her updates on his life. He remained extremely close to Théodwyn until her death and got his love of plants and gardening from her, and he learned riding and fighting at the knee of Elfhelm. When he came of age and was made a Marshal of the Mark, he made his base in the West-mark to be close to his mother’s people, including Grimbold, who became a top lieutenant. Grimbold and Elfhelm were both there when Théodred died and fought the forces of Isengard for possession of his body, which was then buried in the West-mark. They thought he would be happy to rest forever in his mother’s ancestral home.
Éomer is married to Elfhelm’s daughter (one of the very few canon non-compliant aspects of my HC), through which means the heir of Rohan still has some of Elfhild’s ancestry despite Elfhild and Théodred’s untimely deaths. All musical ability in the family was always attributed to her/Elfhelm’s genes.
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emyn-arnens · 3 months
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For the five sentences ask game: 'Théoden would not have minded being dead but for the fact that he could not attend his niece's wedding in the flesh.'
The Halls of Men permitted those it housed to view the lives of those they had left behind, of course, but it was a poor substitute, looking at the misty threads of the Tapestry of the Living, when he had thought—in the days before Gríma began his leechcraft—that he would see his niece resplendent with joy on her wedding day and thus fulfill the promise he had made to his sister on her deathbed to see her children grown and settled. 
But doom had set a different course for him.
Théodwyn’s hand, incorporeal as it was, settled on his shoulder with a warmth he had not thought possible in their current state, and she said, “Éowyn knows that you are with her, and that you hoped for nothing more than to see this day.” Compassion shone in her eyes, for she knew the sorrow he bore at having been able to fulfill only half of his promise to her.
Théoden reached up and placed his hand over his sister's, and with Éomund, Elfhild, and Théodred gathered about them, they watched as Éowyn, a vision of joy, took her husband’s hand and smiled as Théoden had seen her so rarely smile while he had still lived, and his heart stirred with a joy that he had not known since he had found his way to the halls of his fathers.
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dernhelmalso · 10 months
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i like to think that théodwyn is the one who told éowyn stories about the shieldmaidens of rohan and how they rode to battle alongside the men, and that it was she who encouraged éowyn to learn swordplay when she naturally started to show an interest in it. ultimately it was her father, éomund, who "allowed" her to pursue acquiring such skills, but it was her mother who first put the idea in her head.
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"Then, Éowyn of Rohan, I say to you that you are beautiful. In the valleys of our hills there are flowers fair and bright, and maidens fairer still; but neither flower nor lady have I seen till now in Gondor so lovely, and so sorrowful."
― Faramir, The Return of the King, "The Steward and the King"
"Do what you will; but I will hinder it, if I may."
"Hinder me? Thou fool. No living man may hinder me!"
― Éowyn and the Witch-king, The Return of the King, "The Battle of the Pelennor Fields"
Éowyn was a member of the House of Eorl and the niece of King Théoden of Rohan. She was renowned for slaying the Witch-king of Angmar. She was the daughter of Théodwyn, Théoden's sister, and Éomund of Eastfold; her brother was Éomer. Following the end of the War of the Ring, she and Faramir were married, and she bore one son, Elboron.
She was also known as the Lady of Rohan, Lady of the Shield-arm, the White Lady of Rohan and Lady of Ithilien
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