#taylor and olivia

[tonymarias]

cold as you by taylor swift //// the grudge by olivia rodrigo

#taylor swift #olivia rodrigo #moodboard #web weaving #mine #idk man i think the songs are similar leave me alone #taylivia #taylor and olivia

[irrelevantlymusing]

Connecting some dots... Taylor and Olivia

**This is PURE speculation and just an opinion about Taylor’s stance, and given that we often speculate on this forum I hope it’s taken as such. Feel free to share your view too.

So we’ve talked about what really occurred between Taylor and Olivia Rodrigo before, but whispers of a falling out were always rebuffed by reasonable explanations like ‘Olivia needed to focus on her own identity so they distanced’, ‘Taylor wouldn’t care about getting into something with such a young artist, she still supports her from afar and it was done intentionally/by mutual understanding’.

I posit that Taylor will never outwardly express anything other than polite/professional admiration for a new artist, but we have enough clues to figure out what she really thought about Olivia, not just in the context of Deja Vu but the overall fallout from Sour – the various claims of copying and overlap with prominent artists followed by the enormous and widespread awards, industry recognition etc.

We all know Taylor uses her words wisely, she embeds clues and signals, and likes making statements without explicitly doing so. She plays an important role in the industry and has been a vocal supporter of new artists– but she also champions ‘good’ artistic values, creator rights, IP rights etc. I really don’t see her agreeing the enormous adulation and runaway success afforded to Sour and 'not buying it' when Olivia stepped on so many toes in the process and perhaps still can’t conclusively own all the merit for it. Here’s why…

July 2021 – As you may know, Olivia had to give Taylor and Jack co-write credits for interpolation from Cruel Summer and more specifically the layered vocals in the bridge section that goes “I love you ain’t that the worst thing you ever heard”.

December 2021 – Taylor wrote, “I will never forget that I’m standing on the shoulders of giants” in her note to Don McLean when she broke his record for the longest number one song. To me, this was intentional and an implicit jab at Olivia for stepping on musical legacies without enough consideration. Taylor was making a subtle/pointed comment about her own values being different.

Olivia seemingly addressed/responded to it in her own speech accepting the Billboard Woman of the Year (March 2022) trying to smooth it over: “It's not always easy being a young woman in the music industry, but I've found so much strength from the female songwriters who have come before me and paved the way and opened doors for so many young women like me. (Olivia also seemed to make it a point to celebrate her music influences in the months that followed on tour, telling Avril Lavinge she “looks up 2 u so much” on April 22, 2022 and cosying up to Alanis Morisette rather overtly.)

My favourite clue – in October 2022 Taylor releases Karma… and the layered pitched vocals in the Karma bridge are SO telling: “Ask me why so many fade…but I’M STILL HEREEE!!” Quite a pointed and intentional musical choice by Taylor IMHO. Taylor may not have felt entitled to the De Ja Vu credits exactly, and likely the co-write was driven by her label, but I still think she would be unimpressed by the artistic choices made on Olivia’s part, esp. after her request to interpolate the chords for 1 step forward 1 step back. Combined with Olivia’s overall obvious attempts to imitate Taylor’s persona and musical approach in general, I think Taylor would privately disapprove the lack of authenticity and obvious copying/bootstrapping method to success by a new artist who already has so much talent, over so many other young talents – especially when her debut record is then heralded as a deeply innovative artistic achievement/over the top praise for Olivia like woman of the year, etc. by the same industry in which Taylor has carved her own spot.

Most recently – Jan. 2023 Taylor signed Paramore as an opener for her Eras tour (which I found interesting and not necessarily on par with other opener choices). She specifically praises Paramore for their “writing, originality, artistic integrity”.

I find this very telling…a clear affirmation of team Paramore in the debate over Brutal and whether it was properly attributed or not. It’s also a very Taylor move to try and impose justice in her own way by giving Paramore a special platform on her tour/show support and align them with her.

Full quote: “I just remember being constantly floored and inspired by their writing, originality, and artistic integrity. Hayley is such a riveting performer because she’s so multifaceted – bold and playful and ferocious and completely in command. It’s a dream come true to join forces like this.”

Also, Taylor openly loves Gracie Abrams (Gracie being another young artist but one who clearly has a distinct and authentic artist style). It’s hard to ignore the contrast to her radio silence on Olivia since Sour’s release– and nearly impossible to ignore the likely conclusion that she doesn’t exactly approve and/or consider Olivia to be authentically expressing her artistic vision in those songs.

Also, Olivia has said Driver’s License, was inspired after listening to minor by Gracie Abrams, and when you listen to “I miss you, I’m sorry”, the breaks in the song structure and initial chords feel very similar…it’s not difficult to form the view that Olivia piggybacked off Gracie’s introspective style, her songs as inspiration or a starting point… she even said in an interview with Gracie that she was “obsessed” with Gracie’s songs and “she only learned it from [Gracie]”. Taylor is all about independent artistic vision and doing the work yourself, and its clear Olivia has a different way of channeling her own artistic vision.

Lastly, Taylor is an effusive, expressive person in her support for artists and creators she likes, she even said she’s “a big advocate for not hiding your enthusiasm for things” in her NYU speech. In Olivia’s case these issues were dragged out into the public – it’s not a stretch in my view to interpret Taylor’s view on this. We also know she doesn’t like people who twist and bend certain rules for their own gain, especially if she has tried to follow them herself.

No one could ever publicly admit to any of this – Taylor's too smart for that and there’s nothing to gain from it – especially now that Olivia is established as a pop heavyweight for the foreseeable future – but she can make her view known in other muted ways. I still think she doesn’t hate Olivia, and ‘Nothing New’ was also an implicit nod to the fact that artists like OR can and will “get the map from her” but she still wants them to demonstrate actual artistic integrity and create their own path without using bricks from existing musical legacies so to speak.

Thanks for reading and again, open to hearing your speculative thoughts or comments, respectfully and thank you!

#taylor swift #olivia rodrigo #taylor and olivia #swiftie #fan theory

[dcvina-claires]

i am a tragedy enjoyer before i am human

#the raven cycle #noah czerny #richard gansey #the ballad of songbirds and snakes #sejanus plinth #lucy gray baird #the haunting of hill house #nellie crain #olivia crain #the haunting of bly manor #hannah grose #rebecca jessel #yellowjackets #jackie taylor #natalie scatorccio #laura lee #the umbrella academy #ben hargreeves #the gilded wolves #tristan maréchal #idk if he really haunted the narrative but he definitely impacted things! #la casa de papel #tokio lcdp #travis martinez #always forget one 😔

[taylornation]

The OG 1989 (Taylor's Version) queen herself, Ms. Olivia Benson, wanted to let you know all versions of the Special Edition Vinyl are available at store.taylorswift.com! Shop for the next 51 hours or while supplies last. 👑🩷💚💛🩵

#Taylor Swift #1989 (Taylor's Version) #Special Edition Vinyl #Olivia Benson

[lauriemarch]

and at the end of the day, people will still hate women.

because beyonce is a terrible songwriter who has a good body and nothing more and she's really nothing compared to olivia rodrigo, that stuck-up bitch who steals other people's music, but taylor swift is an old, bitter nothing who clearly hates other girls. and sabrina carpenter deserves to die because she followed her heart, not her brain, and that's exactly why zendaya will never be good enough for tom holland. don't forget about kylie jenner, who's stealing precious timothee's innocence away and dating her is like committing arthouse cinema suicide, or how we said the same thing about miley cyrus and her disgusting profanity, think of the children, poor liam hemsworth, trapped in a marriage with such a horrible woman. lana del rey was hot until she was big and she made trailerpark sexy until her ass got a little too fat. and ariana grande, talentless homewrecker, and selena gomez, jealous and unreasonable, and hailey bieber, even more boring than the blood drying on the knives you are so quick to pull. sophie turner is a bad mom and megan thee stallion deserved whatever was coming to her.

and amidst all of this, we still don't know these women. we cannot fathom the pain of having a public divorce, one where people choose sides and hurl insults at you until the battery on their phone dies. we don't watch them chase after sweet-cheeked children in tucked-away backyards or play board games with their best friends while their chests heave in laughter. we don't know their marriages and we don't know their solitudes. we don't watch them unravel themselves, time and time again, preparing for the battle that we have made of their lives. they can never make a mistake. they can never cry. they can never be who they believe themselves to be.

and we take all of this and we go to work, we ride the bus, we go grocery shopping, we walk in dappled sunlight, and we let ourselves shrivel. i compare myself to every body i see and i comfort in the fact that i can still encircle my wrists with my fingers. food turns to dust in my mouth when i think about the fact that taylor swift thinks she's fat and people still hate sabrina carpenter for sticking by joshua bassett's side when he almost died, for God's sake, and now the people on my twitter feed are saying GUTS is the worst album they've ever heard. i liked it, the tiny voice in my head cries out. she wrote songs that made me feel noticed. they're calling the song i relate to the most a total skip.

so i close the app. i try not to think about the endless profiles screaming about how much they hate a nineteen/thirty-two/thirty-eight/twenty-three/twenty-six/forty-two year old. i try not to think about how much they would hate me, if they knew anything at all.

#this isn't necessarily in defense of the mentioned women #twitter has just been so disgusting in the past week #and everything written in italics is either a direct quote or paraphrased from twitter so that's awesome #so. yeah #what does this mean you ask #i don't know i respond #olivia rodrigo #beyonce #taylor swift #kylie jenner #sabrina carpenter #lana del rey #zendaya #miley cyrus #ariana grande #selena gomez #sophie turner #megan thee stallion

[grandwretch]

i hope the trend continues and olivia continues to get more and more punk and sometimes in 2050 i'm listening to her write songs about setting cop cars on fire and framing her ex boyfriends

#shut up az #olivia rodrigo #if taylor can go from country to pop then liv can do pop to punk #i believe in her #i believe in her journey

[celeb-8008s]

Selena Gomez

#selena gomez #celebs #celeb #celebrities #celebrity #celebrity gif #hot celebrity #hot celebs #sexy celebrities #celebrity news #celebritystyle #ashley greene #anne hathaway #angelina jolie #black and white #le sserafim #emma stone #scarlet johansson #britney spears #vintage #courtney love #news #millie bobby brown #mary louise parker #olivia munn #paige bueckers #uk #youtube #anya taylor joy #emily ratajkowski

[bettysw]

like mother like daughter💜

#taylor swift eras #taylor alison swift #swiftie #taylurking #speak now #folklore #taylor nation #midnights #swifties #evermore #taylor swift fan #i love you taylor #taylornation #taylorstans #taylor swift #taylor red #taylors version #taylor swift cats #olivia benson #taylor swift grammys

[icardigan]

#random icons #site model icons #site model girl icons #kendall jenner icons #kendall jenner #sabrina carpenter #sabrina carpenter icons #victoria de angelis #victoria de angelis icons #maneskin #mandeskin icons #dua lipa #dua lipa icons #taylor swift #taylor swift icons #beabadoobee #beabadoobee icons #olivia rodrigo #olivia rodrigo icons #dove cameron #dove cameron icons #bella hadid #bella hadid icons #icons taylor swift #site model girls icons #taylor swift packs

[lover-praxis]

i love when songs say “stop” and then the music pauses, i eat it up every time

#olivia rodrigo #bad idea right #taylor swift #dress #uhhh those are examples #but there’s more #stop! #hammer time

[bidamonalbarn]

taylor gives me a site to put ppl in the 1989 tv cover and so I put her cats in the 1989 tv cover

#taylor swift #taylor swift cats #benji the cat #olivia benson the cat #meredith grey the cat #benjamin button the cat #cats #1989 #1989 tv #taylurking #swiftie #1989 taylor's version

[damnamour]

LOOKING FOR HER (2022) ― Taylor hires an actress to pose as her girlfriend when returning to her family home for the holidays.

#looking for her #taylor x olive #olivia buckle #alexandra swarens #this movie was sooooo cute! #pls watch it! #wlwsource #wlwgif #filmgifs #mine

[tay-swifts]

Taylor Swift and Olivia Rodrigo applauding Miley Cyrus' win for "Best Pop Solo Performance' at The 66th GRAMMYs (Feb 04, 2024)

#miley cyrus #taylor swift #olivia rodrigo #grammys #userstream #dailymusicqueens #dailyolivia #usermusic #userelena #usersar #nessa007 #userleah #useraashna #usermorgan #tuserrachel #usersita #userquel #usergal #userhers #my gif

[saltair-and-palemoonlight]

it’s me. hi. i’m the problem. it’s me.

@padfoot-lupin77/@ryebreadgf/why am i like this? - orla gartland/the letters of virginia woolf/@dreamer-but-realist/anti-hero - taylor swift/sylvia plath/@jaggedjawjosh /@body-to-flame/making the bed - olivia rodrigo/anti-hero - taylor swift

#lilly talks #Lilly’s weaves #poetry #poetry quotes #parallels #web weaving #web weaves #poetry parallels #compilation #Sylvia plath #Mitski #a burning hill #anti hero #Taylor swift #lyrics #lyric parallels #olivia rodrigo #making the bed #doomed by the narrative #self destruction #virginia woolf #just realized how terribly I ordered this one but it’s too late for me to care lmao

[super-nova5045]

sylvia plath, todd anderson and virginia woolf (aka ACTUAL tortured poets) watching taylor “im breaking up with my boyfriend for his intense depression and blaming it on him, im dating a racist who enjoys watching woc being brutalized and harasses young woc artists, i sent my fans out on a hate train to attack a young woc actress for a line she had to say as part of her job to show how mentally ill her character was, im dating a maga supporter, i refuse to say anything about a current genocide despite being the most influential person in the world right now, i am a billionaire, i fly 13 minute flights and have the highest carbon emission of any celebrity, i am a known white feminist who only speaks about issues when it affects me and has constantly let my fans get away with extreme racism and even encouraged it by associating myself with known racists” swift call herself a tortured poet (her writing sounds like a bunch of thesaurus words slapped over gabba hanna and rupi kaur-esque poetry that was created purely as a trinket for an edgy pinterest board)

#anti taylor swift #like she can be problematic that’s okay #there are SO many problematic artists i like #but she’s not even that good #like read sylvia plath or virginia woolf or listen to LDR or fiona apple or mitski or lorde or boygenius or olivia rodrigo #aka her peers #and realise how much better they are #they truly write art because they have a compassion and rawness for it #whereas taytay only writes to get more money LOL #she’s so extremely privileged that her life is not at all relatable and now she tries to make it so #by romanticizing the most mundane #thats never been your brand babe now it’s going to sound like dogshit #GUTS by olivia rodrigo is better because it has such an intensity to it. liv means what she says and you can feel it! #fiona apple means what she says when she writes about begging her lover to love her back! #mitski means what she says when she writes that she is self destructive and puts herself in bad situations since that’s all she knows! #lana means what she says when she writes about her suicide attempt at 15 because of constant abuse from her mother and crippling depression #all of it such haunting and beautiful works because it truly comes from the soul and isn’t a cash grab #Anyway i’m so sorry virginia and sylvia and todd #todd anderson #AND JOE ALWYN #joe alwyn my favourite man ever #joe alwyn #dead poets society #anderperry #sylvia plath #virginia woolf #the bell jar #lana del rey #fiona apple #mitski

[torridaffair]

Renee Rapp calling for a ceasefire in Gaza at an awards show and Olivia Rodrigo handing out free birth control at her concerts really puts into perspective how all the other pop girls are doing Fuck All

#renee rapp #olivia rodrigo #taylor swift #ariana grande #sabrina carpenter