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ospreyeamon · 7 months

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some heads are not fit to wear the crown

Houses Ulgo and Rist’s assassination of Price Gaul and Queen Silara Panteer is one of those decisions where – though murder is wrong, though it triggered great strife – I absolutely understand why they did it. Ulgo and Rist removed what they viewed as dangerously incompetent leadership because they believed it was necessary to protect Alderaan.

The Galactic Republic agreed to sign the Treaty of Coruscant because they lost the Great Galactic War. The Imperial fleet had succeeded in occupying Coruscant’s skies, giving them the ability to launch an orbital bombardment at will, while the Republic lacked the means to dislodge them. Imperial troops had taken the Galactic Senate hostage and killed the Supreme Chancellor. Because the Empire had already been winning the war even before they seized the capital to use as a bargaining chip, the Sith Emperor was the one to set the terms of the frosty peace.

The Treaty of Coruscant was a shockingly good deal for the Republic under the circumstances (which is why many in the Empire were so resentful of it). The only territory the Empire demanded they cede which the Empire had not already occupied or was actively contesting was seven uninhabited star systems, when the Republic did not expect to be able to hold most of those fronts. The Empire had Republic representatives followed around by droids to monitor their adherence to the Treaty, but did not demand any Republic citizens be handed over to stand trial in the Empire for crimes real or invented. Crucially, Empire set no caps on the Republic’s ship building or military expenditure and extracted no economic reparations.

Those like Gaul Panteer, Leontyne Saresh and Elin Garza who publicly decried the Treaty, saying that the Republic should have kept fighting rather than accept peace with the Empire, were in denial about the political reality of the situation. At that time, the Republic had no prospect of being able to swing the tide of the war to put themselves in a stronger position in the peace negotiations. If the Republic had refused to ratify the Treaty the Empire could have levelled its capital, killing billions and decapitating institutions like the SIS headquartered on the planet. The only meaningful blow the Republic was dealt by the Treaty of Coruscant was to its pride.

Bouris Ulgo hated the Sith Empire, but he wasn’t an idiot. The Treaty of Coruscant, humiliating though it may have been, gave the Republic the perfect opportunity to rearm itself in the breathing space provided by the Cold War. The Republic was bigger than the Empire – bigger economy, bigger population – so given the opportunity they could out produce and out recruit the Empire. If the Republic was patient, then they could have their vengeance and victory.

But being protected by the Treaty of Coruscant long enough to rearm required remaining part of the Galactic Republic, because the Empire made the Treaty with the Republic. The moment Alderaan seceded, it was no longer protected by the Empire’s promise to withdraw, and the Imperial Military could launch a second invasion without breaking the Treaty. And why wouldn’t the Sith Empire invade Alderaan? What else did all their forces ordered to break off the attacks on Coruscant and other Republic worlds have to do? Gaul Panteer’s very loud and public removal Alderaan from the Republic must have looked like an open invitation for the Empire to come and conquer some beautiful new camping sites.

And for what? Was Gaul Panteer arrogant enough to believe Alderaan so important that he could manipulate the Republic into abandoning the Treaty of Coruscant? Was he so myopic that he imagined he could sit on Alderaan feeling self-righteous with no consequences he hadn’t considered in the heat of the moment? Did he think that he could leverage Alderaan’s status as a Core Founder to extract concessions from the Republic to undo the cessation and stop opposing the Treaty – is that what his secret negotiations with the Republic were about?

Declaring the secession was an act of short-sighted rage. Failing to walk it back was self-absorbed irresponsibly. He placed his people in the firing line of a second invasion without so much as a warning, let alone a consultation.

Gaul Panteer was Alderaan’s senator, not Alderaan’s head of state. He wasn’t the elected monarch, just the reigning Queen’s heir. The decision to take Alderaan out of the Republic never should have been his to make; the question should have been decided by Queen Silara and the aristocratic assembly at the Elysium (and, if Alderaan were actually a democracy during this period, a general referendum).

This raises the question of why Queen Silara didn’t countermand her son’s declaration of secession. Maybe Gaul inherited his lack of strategic acumen from Silara. Maybe she disagreed with the secession, but decided that it was more important to avoid undermining the son she had appointed senator than to keep Alderaan in the Republic; that risk of House Panteer losing face took precedence over the risk of the planet being invaded. Or maybe Queen Silara, who suddenly fell ill upon her son’s return from Coruscant, lost control over the situation because Gaul took advantage of her poor health to usurp her authority.

Whatever the reasons, House Panteer was not doing a good job of fulfilling one of the most ancient traditional functions of any monarchy: making sure your lands won’t be conquered by an external power. Alderaan’s other great noble houses were not doing a good job of encouraging House Panteer to take their job more seriously. Probably the Elysium was already bogged down in the gridlock which would later prevent them from electing Queen Silara’s successor.

Bouris Ulgo was the head of the Alderaani military, its planetary defence force. It was his job to protect Alderaan from invasion. Gaul Panteer had made that job impossible. House Rist, infamous as spies as well as assassins, agreed with his assessment. Possibly the Rists had gotten wind of the Imperial Diplomatic Services overtures to House Thul.

Bouris Ulgo was a soldier, who had killed many times before in defence of his homeworld. Everyone and their pet Thranta on Alderaan seems to know the Rists are assassins; the nobility tolerating a house of assassins among their number implies a tactic approval of the occasional convenient murder.

To protect Alderaan, Ulgo and Rist decided, Gaul and Silara Panteer had to die. Only by killing them could they instigate the election of a new monarch – a monarch who would return Alderaan to the safety of the Republic before the Empire could take advantage.

According to his lore entry, Bouris Ulgo didn’t return to Alderaan after the Treaty with any ambitions of becoming king. I suspect he came back to see to the wellbeing of his lands and his vassals as he hadn’t been able to after the Battle of Alderaan, to keep an experienced eye on the planet’s defences during Panteer’s foolishness, expecting to soon leave again to assist in the Republic’s preparations for the anticipated second war. While some sources say he intended to usurp House Panteer, if that were true it would have made far more sense from him to announce the imposition of martial law and declare himself king immediately after the Panteers’ assassination while loudly denouncing the murders as obviously the work of the Sith Empire, not wait until it was clear that the election of Queen Silara’s successor had ground to a holt because of the assembly’s bickering and House Thul had appeared, plainly planning on letting the Empire in by the back door.

To me, Bouris Ulgo is a deeply tragic figure because his assessment that he alone of the heads of the Great Houses cared more for the good of Alderaan than petty politics was correct. Unfortunately, he was a military man with a military mindset who lacked the skill at political manipulation to achieve his desired goal of returning Alderaan to the Republic, falling back to military tactics inappropriate to the problem he was attempting to fix out of desperation. It feels unfair that Ulgo should be saddled with blame for the civil war over Panteer, when Gaul Panteer’s decision to secede was the pivotal domino in the chain of events which resulted in Alderaan becoming the stage for an Imperial-Republic proxy war.

It really says something about House Panteer that in their planetary missions they accept both factions’ solicitations of alliance and can be swayed to either side. Organa or Thul, Republic or Empire, Jedi or Sith – one is as good as the other if vengeance on Bouris Ulgo will be reaped.

Gaul Panteer claimed such outrage that the Republic conceded to a frankly beneficial peace with the Sith Empire that he took Alderaan out of the Republic, drastically increasing the odds the Sith Empire would launch another attack on the planet. The surviving members of House Panteer claim such outrage that the heads of their house were assassinated because they put the planet in incredible danger that they are willing to support the Thul puppets of that same Sith Empire Gaul Panteer deemed it unacceptable to compromise with, even at the cost of billions of lives. House Panteer’s effective foreign policy is that the last attacker to have assaulted Castle Panteer is the devil who must be destroyed, regardless of the potential cost to Alderaan. Truly, some heads are not fit to wear the crown.

#Meanwhile in a Galaxy Far Far Away #swtor meta #Bouris Ulgo #Gaul Panteer #Alderaani Civil War #Great Galactic Cold War #House Ulgo #House Panteer #House Rist #Silara Panteer #the Treaty of Coruscant #star wars the old republic

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eorzeashan · 7 months

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ok so. I know everyone has their opinion on how whiny Koth is and that's a beaten dead horse but I think a huge under-looked part of it is how the game engine animates anger. take a look at Koth's face here, the famous frown which regularly puts players off-- including me at one point, because he looked absolutely livid over the news of a breakup, which startled me at the intensity of his expression.

makes you think wow this guy's emotional, doesn't it? and as a reaction to a few small conflicts, it doesn't feel good.

but then take a look at how KOTXX animates a frown on Lana and Theron:

INCREDIBLY ANGRY OVERREACTIONS.

SWTOR tends to make anger appear as a bulging of the eyes, which is a little terrifying, since it signifies extreme rage. Case in point:

I think a huge part of why Koth appears so abrasive to the playerbase is his expressions: he is overanimated and frowns with his entire face in a way that is almost comical in the same way the other companions frown *far* too much to the point of looking like TF2 caricatures, which makes him seem far pettier than he actually is.

I really believe his delivery would be helped if expressions weren't so strong and made subtler in SWTOR's engine, but he already was at a disadvantage with being made to disagree more often and therefore use that frown more than the others, which made his image worsen in player eyes. (Though his popularity shouldn't hinge on whether he agrees or not).

The point is, even as someone who likes the character even I was thrown off by how furious he looked to innocuous lines. His voice delivery was fairly neutral. His face wasn't. Would the same vehement dislike towards him exist if he wasn't animated in the same way?

#part of it is bias. we know this already as well #and an unforgiving playerbase who pushes back harder on a character who reacts strongly #i'm not saying he can't frown or show his anger #but i'm saying it's cartoonishly shown and sort of....doesn't line up a lot of times #if it wasn't such a twisting of the face (which we see plenty on the PC as well)#i think he wouldn't look like he's overreacting when his voice isn't #swtor #swtor meta #koth vortena #also getting that face in regards to a breakup was. a little scary #i wish he'd gotten a sad expression instead #this pic actually isn't that bad since i couldn't find my screens of him and just got it in google #but he does frown a lot more in other cs i think people remember though. or look it up on yt and try #comparing his expression to his voice lines

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grandninjamasterren · 2 years

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Line-Optimized Agents, the Republic and Mako

I have @nekorinnie and @halibellecter to thank for helping flesh this out

So, basically, line-optimized = minmaxed. The scientists who genetically modified them put all their “skill points” into a couple of things, and they’re excellent at those specific things. But they pay a heavy price in that they’re terrible at everything outside their genetic “strong points”. So that brilliant tactician can't tie his shoes and is almost guaranteed to have asthma. Your medic who can go for hours without a break can do that because she doesn't register that she's hungry. The surveyor you can send into the field for a perfect picture of the enemy base can't make eye contact and can barely cook instant noodles.

Line-optimized agents (also known as designer agents) while officially only referring to those agents who have been genetically modified, has been stretched to include those that are the byproduct of eugenics programs, and those with technological modifications.

While generally speaking designer agents tend to fall into one of two categories: medic or analyst, more broadly speaking, they fill support roles: medic, analysts, and technological specialists.

Mako was the byproduct of the Republic's project. She and her 'sisters' were cloned from the daughter of two of the scientists performing the experiments, they were implanted with state-of-the-art cybernetics (to avoid the need for a eugenics program and bypassing many of the drawbacks), however, stricken by identity issues, the original donor went rogue and began trying to shut down the project. Coral managed to get the project shut down, and the higher ups of the SIS demanded that the young girls be culled and the cybernetics recovered, but one of the scientists felt sorry for the girls and began to smuggle them one by one to the Outer Rim- but while he was smuggling Mako out, SpecForce took custody of the others.

We've seen similar things happen in the Trooper storyline, such as the approval of Agent Zane's plan to risk thousands of lives to find a place that might not exist, or the modification of Eclipse Squad to gain a supposed tactical advantage.

So my argument boils down to, Mako was intended to be the Republic's answer to the Imperial eugenics programs

#star wars #swtor #swtor meta #swtor mako

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sith-shenanigans · 2 years

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Paladius Had Daegin Strell Killed

This is a theory I’ve had for a bit and that I’m planning to write into Liminality. It just… makes the most sense. It’s never stated that Strell died of unnatural causes, but it’s never stated he died of natural ones, either—and Paladius was the one who stood to gain.

Here’s what Zash and Rylee have to say about the timetables involved:

Darth Zash: “The artifact—a pendant called the Eye of Tulak—belongs to the Sith Lord Paladius. He's lived here many years, converting Nar Shaddaa's poor and suffering into zealous followers. His own cult.”

Rylee Dray: “The place is called the Strell House, for a charity worker named Daegin Strell. The people looked to him as a leader. He's been dead nearly a decade, but his name still means something—and I thought it couldn't hurt to have his name associated with yours.”

“Many years” doesn’t necessarily equal “nearly a decade,” but it certainly doesn’t contradict it, especially since “right after the Treaty of Coruscant” is when it makes the most sense for a random Sith to go do something militarily useless. And when you crash Paladius’s address…

Screaming Blade Pilgrim: “The Strell House—a good place, that. Daegin Strell was a good man.”

…it certainly sounds like some of his disciples used to be Strell’s.

Screaming Blade Supporter: “You're crazy! What will forgiveness get us? Ten more years in the gutter, that's what.”

Screaming Blade Pilgrim: “It's not as if we got any higher up under Paladius. The gutter's the gutter.”

And this exchange, taken together, could imply that Paladius has been active on Nar Shaddaa for a little under ten years.

Strell was well-known, was a leader of the people, was—as Destris references at one point—drawing crowds. Then he dies, and Paladius moves in, seemingly quite quickly. Paladius crushes the “meanest gang around” (and they would make good people to pin Strell’s death on, really, if it wasn’t something more subtle). Paladius takes in the people who now have no one else to turn to.

Paladius, in it for his own self-aggrandizement, likely wouldn’t have gotten anywhere if Strell had been alive. And it says something that the Strell House has been empty for ten years.

Maybe something about respect—or maybe that people remember how Strell died, and what happened to anyone who tried to continue his work.

#swtor #swtor meta #sith inquisitor

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uldren-sov · 2 years

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Been having some Nar Shaddaa vibes lately (bc anything can happen in Nar Shaddaa) and been giving some thought as to just how some force users must have operated back during the cold war proper.

While it's a neutral planet and in Hutt space it still doesn't mean the Republic and the Empire can run rampant. In some ways keeping things quiet may even be harder given the Hutts involvement and selling secrets to the highest bidder, and it may be that much more likely to reveal an Incident.

So did force users need to learn to mask their powers? Did they have to learn to fight with other weapons beside their lightsaber? Learn how to shoot, how to throw a punch, how to use a bottle or a chair or a pool cue, how to use the fact that most speeders don't have safety belts?

How creative did force users have to be when revealing their involvement could spell the start of the war?

#swtor #swtor meta #just some ramblings and some oc vibes #thinking of a new one even though i dont have time for any lol

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chaoticspacefam · 10 months

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Lana: I won't apologise for being right! Saarai: 😡😡😡 Lana: Saarai: APOLOGISE.

Lana: *immediately apologises*

Your girlfriend won't let your pride get you out of this one, Lana /lh You're welcome, Theron.

(also gtfo of here if you think Lana's evil for making a mistake when Theron makes one that at the very least is ON PAR with this if not WORSE because he actually DID almost kill TWO people. I'm not saying Theron's evil for making a mistake either but my point is people are people and they ALL make mistakes, if you're gonna demonise Lana but expect people to not be mad at YOUR blorbo for fucking up in the EXACT same way several expacs down the line then you're a fucking hypocrite and yes, I will die on this hill I'm sick of that bullshit. Start shit in my notes because I've said this and you will be insta-blocked I am not joking.)

That aside I genuinely do really like this interaction. I see a lot of people poo-poo Lana's stubbornness here but I feel like its authentic given that this is still the VERY early days of what will eventually become the Alliance. Yes Lana and Theron consider eachother as friends but like....stereotypes still exist on both sides and realistically, they haven't known eachother for long enough at this point to NEVER mess up and butt heads and I feel like this interaction very nicely shows that. Lana sees just the results of the mission and didn't stop to think "hey maybe I should ask Theron if he's okay with this", Theron (rightfully) wants an apology but at this time as far as Lana is considered she didn't do anything wrong (important distinction here, as well. NOT "she didn't do anything wrong uwu" but "she thinks she didn't do anything wrong") BUT she's also not too proud to actually apologise when Rai pipes up and says "yeah actually, that wasn't nice. Apologise or I will be mad at you until you do".

I just think it's neat. It's not just the "lower down" members of the de-facto Alliance that struggle and butt heads, Lana and Theron do it too. Theron and an Imperial PC might butt heads often. The Warrior and/or Inquisitor might have problems with Satele, vice versa for the Jedi Knight and the Sith Warrior...there's so much potential for various dynamics here and I don't think it gets outwardly acknowledged as much as it could be.

#swtor #elven plays swtor #elven's swtor screenshots #rishii #shadow of revan #swtor oc: saarai ahaszaai #sith warrior #sith pureblood #the outlander #LS! eternal empress #elven's swtor ramblings #(bc i don't think i can class this as a headcanon per se but i *did* accidentally turn this into a longer meta-type post oopsie)#lana beniko #saarai/lana #theron shan #long post

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revanknightwoman · 7 days

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miraluking-respectfully · 9 months

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When Lyde looks at Jadus she sees a crushingly endless black hole. When Lyde looks at Watcher X she sees a half-erased figure drawing. When Lyde looks at Hunter she sees an outline of chalk on the ground. When Lyde looks at Ardun Kothe she sees a swollen river overflowing its banks. When Lyde looks at Vector she sees a constellation made up of thousands of far-flung stars. When Lyde looks at Koth she sees the falling sparks at the end of a firework. When Lyde looks at Lana she sees the sharp flash of sunlight reflected off of a mirror. When Lyde looks at Theron she sees hardly anything at all

#anyway.#Force Sight isnt eyeball sight and Lyde doesn't actually know what any of those things look like. she just knows the Force #and how it interacts with her surroundings #also i fuck w the headcanon that Theron is effectively Force-null can you tell.#miraluka #oc: lyde aniteon #swtor #imperial agent #swtor hunter #meta

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abysskeeper · 3 months

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Discord: raid team I'm not on discussing sorc healing

Me: 😬 *mutes channel*

#don't mind me #I don't agree with 90% of the meta out there #and given I've been doing this for about 10 years now I think I've earned that right #but the moment someone brings up a genuine healing rotation for swtor #I die a little inside #other games maybe #but here raid awareness and mechanics matter way more than any potential rotation you can do #priorities? yes rotation? no

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passionesolja · 2 years

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Swtor missed the biggest world building and potential comedy with Valkorion—aka Tenebrae. This man is an old Korriban Sith Pureblood man.

Why is dude acting like some generic Emperor Palpatine but also Thanos?

Like Arcann should be like “yeah growing up my family did (niche ancient sith tradition) didnt you do that?” And the non-Sith Pureblood imps should like “no…?” Maybe if you was playing as a Sith Pureblood character they’d be like “damn that’s weird you do that, cause my family did that too.”

Valkorion and Senya Tirall’s relationship should have fallen apart because Valkorion is culturally and mentally an Ancient Sith and the two aren’t capable even though Valkorion tryna be human-like.

They missed so much opportunity here

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ospreyeamon · 8 months

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playing politics

It’s been said before, but there is a clear disparity in the way the Jedi Consular and Jedi Knight are treated when it comes to their promotion prospects. While both are knighted at the end of their prologues, the Consular is given the rank of Master at the start of Act 2 while the Knight is only maybe promoted again at the close of Act 3.

The Consular’s promotion to Master is political. They are being given the rank because the Jedi Council thinks it will be necessary for the Rift Alliance to take them seriously, not because of anything the Consular has achieved up to this point Hence why they are given the rank upon being given a mission rather than completing one. Which makes sense as the Consular’s achievements during Act 1 are pretty variable.

A Consular who has LS-choiced their way through Act 1’s achievements are very impressive, even if the stint on Alderaan is their only prior diplomatic experience that we know of. A Consular who – despite being asked to shield the afflicted Jedi – chooses to kill them at varying points before accidentally (or “accidentally”) causing the deaths of hundreds more Jedi offscreen by killing Lord Vivicar, I think, probably wouldn’t have been trusted with a sensitive diplomatic post if the Council thought they had a better option. Unfortunately, in this scenario, the better options were probably numbered among the now dead Jedi Masters.

Conversely, the Jedi Knight definitely succeeded in their overall mission in Act 1. They might have been a jerk, they might have passed up opportunities to save or spare people, they might have delayed rescuing Nasan Godera for a loot acquisition detour, but they still did (eventually) retrieve Dr Godera, stop the power-guard project, save Master Kiwiiks and Tatooine, help destroy the death-mark laser, and prevent Darth Angral from torching Tython. The Knight also helps (or “helps”) guide Kira Carsen to Knighthood; successfully training a Padawan is traditionally one of the main gauges the Council uses to determine who is ready to become a Master.

A DS!Knight proves considerably more effective in Act 1 than a DS!Consular, but the Consular is still the one promoted. The promotion isn’t given in recognition of their skills or as reward for their achievements. It isn’t withheld because of any action or shift in alignment. The Consular is promoted at the start of Act 2 because their new mission is to make nice with the politicians; the Knight isn’t because they are assisting other Jedi. If the Consular’s promotion truly was a matter of merit the Knight would have been promoted too.

The end of Act 3 has incredibly stark differences in how a Dark-aligned Consular and Knight are treated by the Jedi Council. Neither of them receives the promotion they would have if they had been Light-aligned, but of the behaviour of the Council towards them is markedly different. The Consular is publicly rewarded. The Knight is publicly snubbed.

“Your relentless pursuit of the First Son merits a unique position. We would like to make you our special military advisor. You will rank alongside us, but work with the Republic, to capture the remaining Children and prepare for any future threat from the Sith.” Jaric Kaedan “Rank alongside? So I would not be a member of the Jedi Council.” Jedi Consular, Option 3 “We would prefer you to focus on assisting the Republic, rather than on Council duties. But this is only a small reward beside the great service you have done, for all of us.” Jaric Kaedan

The post of the Jedi Council’s special military advisor is a promotion, even if it might not be the promotion the Consular wanted. Jaric Kaedan doesn’t say anything to suggest that a Council Seat could have been on the table under other circumstances; the idea is only brought up if the Consular brings it up.

The Consular has experienced a meteoric rise through the ranks; their class story takes place over about three years and they go from Padawan to Knight to Master to senior Master advising the Jedi Council. Going from Padawan to Master in the span of two years is (I think) the fastest turn around we are shown for any Jedi, and most members of the Order never sit on the High Council. Being promoted to Master without having trained a Padawan in any capacity is also highly unusual. The Consular has nothing to complain about.

Even if they do complain, Jaric’s justification is that they don’t want the Consular’s attention split between their work with the Republic and the duties of a Council Member. He is quick to praise the Consular again. No mention of their turn to the Dark Side is made.

“And then there is you. How do we even begin to account for the turns your life has taken since you first arrived on Tython? The dark side has cast its shadow over you. I sense your anger and ambition growing. I can no longer ignore it. I wanted so much for you to become a Jedi Master, but you are not ready.” Satele Shan “What have I done to deserve being passed over? I've saved trillions of people.” Jedi Knight, Option 1 “Your battles on Corellia cost us Master Kiwiiks and dozens of brave Jedi. Your leadership there was questionable, at best. You struck a great blow against the Sith, but the war goes on. There will be other opportunities for you to prove yourself worthy.” or “How much have you sacrificed on your path to victory? What emotions drove these decisions? These are the questions we must answer. You struck a great blow against the Sith, but the war goes on. There will be other opportunities for you to prove yourself worthy.” Satele Shan “Master Satele, this Jedi is one of the greatest war heroes I’ve ever met. He/she deserves recognition for his/her victories. By the authority of the Supreme Chancellor, I hereby grant you the honorary rank of Republic general.” Admiral Dabrin

In contrast, in a Dark-aligned Knight’s class story ending Satele Shan tells them that they are wrathful, power-hungry, under the influence of the Dark-Side of the Force, and not being promoted to Jedi Master. It’s a public humiliation at a ceremony intended to honour the Knight’s achievements. Small wonder Admiral Dabrin tries to patch things over by naming the Knight an honorary general.

Satele Shan did not have to manage the situation with the Knight this way. She could have quietly led the Knight off into a side room before the ceremony and asked them if they knew they were clouded by the Dark Side. She could have had the kind of talk with them that Orgus Din does on Rishi. Making a public spectacle was taking the nuclear option.

Satele can claim that the Knight isn’t being promoted because of their poor leadership on Corellia, but Satele was the one to put the Knight in charge of the Jedi forces on Corellia, possibly over the Knight’s objections. Besides, we the audience know it isn’t the truth. The Jedi Council’s refusal to grant them the rank of Master isn’t tied to any decision they could have taken on Corellia – it is solely determined by their alignment.

The denunciation being so public makes me feel that its motivation was either highly political or deeply personal. Did Satele feel betrayed by the Knight? Did the rest of the Jedi Council even know she was planning on going off script in front of the Republic brass? Was she convinced the Knight’s Dark-alignment was evidence they had done terrible things she would never be able to find proof of?

Was the decision to try to crack down hard on the Knight made because the Consular had also turned but couldn’t be reprimanded without insulting the Rift Alliance? Were Council concerned that members of the Order like Unaw Aharo were admiring a Dark Jedi? Was Satele under pressure to make a statement against Jedi drawing on the Dark-Side while fighting in the war?

But if a DS-choicing Knight got Jedi unnecessarily killed, then a DS-choicing Consular got more Jedi killed; hundreds compared to dozens. If it’s dangerous to have impressionable Jedi looking up to a Dark-aligned Hero of Tython, then it’s no less dangerous to have them admiring a Dark-aligned Barsen’thor. If a Dark Jedi shouldn’t be permitted to become a Master, then a Dark Consular should be demoted rather than set to advise the Council.

There is an incredible double-standard in how the Consular is treated in comparison to the Knight – and a double-standard in how the Consular is treated compared to the norms of the Order. This is surely something people in-universe have opinions about.

#Meanwhile in a Galaxy Far Far Away #swtor meta #jedi consular class story #jedi knight class story #Jedi Consular #Jedi Knight #star wars the old republic

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eorzeashan · 1 year

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I've wondered this for a loooong time too, and frankly the mystery of it is the best part of their relationship. I'm not sure if I've seen the full scope of it even after replaying the agent story, so it's basically left to the mercy of imagination.

My original theory was that she was a test tube baby who didn't show any potential for him in the end, but I really like the idea of gene splicing/blood donation later in life as his only apprentice. However, she does say he raised her as his daughter, seen in the snippets of conversation where she meekly says "...Dad?" when you mention he lives and the part of her history where he let her have singing lessons. A bit odd for an apprentice, unless he truly wanted a "daughter" to break and not just any recruit. Many questions remain up in the air.

He doesn't seem like the type to make a failed project on purpose and abandon it just as quickly, and he certainly doesn't feel like a family man... but I could definitely be off track given we see nothing of his personal life.

He briefly sounds more human whenever Zhorrid lets it slip, even mentioning he smiled once in the past, meaning he had a face to show. To attend concerts at all meant he had a place in high society. He expresses gripe about Sith society in general, so my current headcanon is that he was pressed into an early marriage out of social requirement with an unnamed spouse and conceived Zhorrid which he was more or less burdened with and eventually disposed of said spouse for his own reasons. Given how it feels like he doesn't exactly know what to do with Zhorrid besides throw her away like trash, it stands to reason he didn't really expect to have her and didn't care for the idea, which of course devolved into him dissecting his own family in such a way once he had enough power to.

But that's all mere conjecture and I'm totally onboard with a less bloodline related artificially made link between him and Zhorrid, so i'll be thinking on those possibilities for the next week or so. :D Neither of them is what you'd call traditional in the Sith sense, and I can see it.

(Thank you for the headcanon btw and your engagement with my posts, it made me smile a lot, @zeeseventeen. sorry for tag!)

#swtor #swtor meta #darth jadus #darth zhorrid #what a happy family #zeeseventeen

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hermitmoss · 2 years

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In Their Own Words: Jedi + Peace & War(riors)

For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic. Before the dark times, before the Empire.

Obi-wan Kenobi, A New Hope (1977)

Great warrior? Wars not make one great.

Yoda, The Empire Strikes Back (1980)

A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defence, never for attack.

Yoda, The Empire Strikes Back (1980)

We're keepers of the peace, not soldiers.

Mace Windu, Attack of the Clones (2002)

To answer power with power, the Jedi way this is not. In this war, a danger there is, of losing who we are.

Yoda, Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Lair of Grievous (2008)

There’s a difference between pulling innocents into a war and leaving them to extinction.

Anakin Skywalker, Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Defenders of Peace (2009)

“Master Windu has said we are keepers of the peace, not warriors. However, once the war is over, it will be our job to maintain the peace.”

“Yes, but will we do so as keepers of the peace or warriors? And what's the difference?”

“I don't have all the answers, Ahsoka.”

Ahsoka Tano and Barriss Offee, Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Brain Invaders (2009)

“There has to be a difference between us and those we fight. We are Jedi. We must remain Jedi.”

“And if we lose? If more of us die?”

“Then we lose, and we die, and we are still Jedi.”

Aayla Secura and Quinlan Vos, Star Wars comic (year:?)

As he always did, the Jedi felt a twinge of sorrow at taking another’s life. But decades of war against a brutal and relentless foe had forced Gnost-Dural, like so many others in the Order, to come to grips with the moral ambiguity of killing an enemy in the pursuit of a peace that would save the lives of trillions.

Gnost-Dural, Star Wars: The Old Republic: Annihilation (2012)

“I’m … I’m not a soldier,” she said, her voice uncertain as she took a step back from him. “I’m a Jedi.”

Satele Shan, Star Wars: The Old Republic: Annihilation (2012)

The Force isn’t a weapon.

Ezra Bridger, Star Wars: Rebels (2018)

We were peacekeepers.

Cal Kestis, Jedi: Fallen Order (2019)

As a Jedi, we were trained to be keepers of the peace, not soldiers -- but all I’ve been since I was a Padawan is a soldier.

Ahsoka Tano, Star Wars: The Clone Wars (2020)

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grandninjamasterren · 2 years

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The Storm Lights

Dromund Kaas is the planet of perpetual storms. They don't have day or night because of the cloud cover, but instead the have 'light' -when the clouds are light enough not to need artificial light to see- and 'full dark' -when the cloud cover is so dark that it's impossible to see.

Hence the need for the Storm Lights. There are two types: Outland and Municipal.

Municipal storm lights are meant to light up streets and walkways as well as warning people to take caution when going outside, they light up the area around them in white-blue light.

Outland storm lights go on the edges of cities and along speeder routes, they have a smaller radius of light at their base and a pair of further reaching, rotating lights at the top, like a light house. The spinning lights are also white-blue, but the floodlight is white-yellow, and they are powered by a lightning rod and electrical storage system, but can draw backup power from municipal relays. These lights are meant to guide travelers during sudden storms as well as providing an easy military staging point, should the need ever arise.

Since storms can intensify suddenly, there are times when it is light and then the storm lights will come up and the population scatters. There are games among children, particularly teenagers, to see how long someone can stay outside while the storm lights are up.

#star wars #swtor #sw meta #dromund kaas #sith empire

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superectojazzmage · 2 years

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I remember reading somewhere (don’t remember where exactly or if it was confirmed so don’t quote me on this) that the reason Post-Disney Star Wars took so long to acknowledge a lot of EU stuff set further back on the timeline aside from vague allusions that clearly imply they’re still canon and reprints of old material is because Lucasfilm had some baffling agreement with BioWare that they wouldn’t touch any of the Old Republic stuff (i.e., anything set before the High Republic like KOTOR, Tales of the Jedi, Darth Bane, Knight Errant, etc.) while BioWare is still running their Old Republic MMO.

This agreement seems to be breaking down in recent years, with the KOTOR remake announced and the amounts of Legends lore, stories, and characters being reinstated only increasing exponentially as time goes on, but I still don’t know how to feel about that agreement and the effect it had to begin with.

Because on one hand, its straight-up bullshit that BioWare was (and possibly still is) being allowed to hold everyone else back from using this huge, vitally important treasure trove of lore and backstory, hoarding it to themselves with their Tortanic MMO that a lot of people refused to consider canon even before Disney came along.

But on the other, thank God that it prevented all that stuff from being used until after the Disney Sequel Trilogy disaster was done and we were well into this bold new Disney+ era where Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau are managing everything and enforcing a quality level where even the worst stuff is just ”meh” at most instead of “jumbled canon-destroying nightmare”. With how awfully that the Sequel Trilogy burned the setting down, can you imagine how much worse it could’ve been if J.J. Abrams and Rian Johnson had access to the Old Republic material to ruin? I get chills just thinking about it.

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