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cam-ulu29 · 1 year
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the problem in the majority of destiel conversations is the weaponization of lgbtqia. It’s a well-known fact (I thought) that the majority of shippers for any given m/m ship are straight women. Destiel isn’t about queer representation. I cried when I realized that Castiel’s so well written asexuality was destroyed to make room for another fetish ship. It was so well written…his reaction to having sex for the first time…his interactions with Meg where he tries to copy what he saw in the porno…his confusion when Hannah took off her clothes in front of him…that was queer representation. That was beautiful, multi-layered, accurate asexuality. But because we’re in a culture obsessed with sex, no, he had to want to get in on with another man, because that’s what everyone wants to see. Straight women push these ships. They created Omegaverse BECAUSE IT RELIES ON THE FEMINIZATION OF MEN TO RATIONALIZE THE ATTRACTION BETWEEN THEM. DO YOU NOT SEE HOW INVALIDATING THAT IS TO LEGITIMATE GAY RELATIONSHIPS. im sorry I have strong feelings about omegaverse.
Pushing Destiel by claiming representation is a horrible thing to do if you’re truly an ally. It erases already established queer representation for the most popular thing in all of lgbtqia. It is a creepy fetish being pushed by straight women who want to see two men get it on, just like Stucky or everything else hellers across all fandoms throw fits about while ignoring the characters they should really care about if they truly want to see equality. Stop using lgbtqia and calling people homophobic to push your stupid fetish. It’s not an weapon. And it obviously has nothing to do with chemistry or even romantic subtext, it’s just the safer m/m ship in the fandom, so it’s the one people latched onto.
And if you haven’t seen supernatural, or have only barely seen supernatural, I don’t care if you’re part of the lgbtqia community. Don’t you fucking dare come at me. You have no idea what’s going on.
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voxofthevoid · 6 months
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I don't know if you've answered this before, but do you have any other characters you ship Yuuji and Gojo with or are they exclusive for you? What do you think of ItaFushi or SatuSugu for example, their other popular ships?
It's come up in general a few times, I think. I've had a couple of anons ask whether I ship sukugo or tojogo (solid no for both) and another about my thoughts on Yuuji ships.
(In shocking news, Tumblr search continues to be useless.)
The short version is that goyuu is the only ship I'm well and truly obsessed with; they haunt my waking and sleeping hours, etc etc. They're not exclusive for me though—more like, half of them isn't. I ship Yuuji with a lot of characters (in theory at least; I don't read much in JJK). But goyuu is the only Gojou ship I like. I avoid everything else. This tends to be a pattern for me across fandoms, actually.
My thoughts on itafushi are covered in that Yuuji ships post I linked above. But expanding on that some more, I really love its tragic elements. The way it's consistently love for each other that leads them into some of their worst experiences. Yuuji eats the finger and later dies to save Megumi even before developing any deep bond with him, and Yuuji's impact on Megumi is pronounced throughout the aftermath, especially during the Goodwill event (his dialogue with Kamo, for instance). And post-Shibuya, Yuuji's self-imposed isolation is born from concern for Megumi to a large degree, and Megumi ignoring that concern and deciding to stick with Yuuji is what ultimately leads to Sukuna's incarnation (the Tsumiki-Yorozu mess determines the timing, yes, but the situation was their making too). Depending on the current state of Megumi's soul, I'd like to see some final interaction between them. Feed us some tragedy, Gege.
No one's asked me about satosugu before, so here we go: People who like Getou Suguru and/or satosugu, stop reading here.
I loathe it. It's the only JJK ship that makes me hiss on sight. Like I said, I avoid all non-goyuu Gojou ships, but I don't care if my eyeballs accidentally land on, say, nanago or sukugo. Satosugu, however, turns me into this:
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The reasons are twofold. One, satosugu is so ubiquitous that you literally cannot avoid it no matter how many filters you use. It's the first time I'm understanding how it must have been to be a non-stucky shipper in post-2014 MCU fandom, but man, I didn't want to understand. I did start out with just garden-variety distaste for satosugu, but that only lasted till the 100th or so evasion of my block filters. Two, I can't stand Getou. Pre-villainhood, he's fine—well written and interestingly flawed. Post-villainhood? He pisses me off (that's its own essay that I won't get into here). The only characters I dislike more than Getou in JJK are Mahito and Naoya.
Gojou, in contrast, is my second-favorite character after Yuuji. The combination of Character I Adore/Character I Loathe means I run the hell away from the ship.
(For those of you who like Gojou and/or satosugu and read my fics: None of this will show in my writing, don't worry. These days, I'm fairly good at treating characters I dislike fairly, as my MCU fics show).
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levyfiles · 1 year
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Shane is probably trolling with r*ylo the same way he likes to rile up B*cky fans + also that recent tweet about TS new album. He clearly knows how controversial that ship is. Both Ryan and Shane follow Rahul Kohli, and Rahul got harrassed to no end by the shippers for just mentioning the ship this summer. Iirc, both of them even liked Rahul's tweet. So, it's most likely trolling on his part.
The thing is I really do think he likes Reylo (and that's fine; shipping is a neutral activity and I refuse to join a camp that says all ships must be pure and unproblematic when I've been shipping messy ships since I first read the words "enemies to lovers".
Having said that, as someone whose own inner contrarian is activated by antis quite often, I'd say that his genuinely liking Reylo and his wanting to be a troll are two features of his personality that can co-exist.
I respect wholeheartedly the energy of people in fan spaces who interact with the things they know and love with a level of trollishness. I think he and Ryan have that vibe about them where they lean in hard to really rile people up when they can which is why they're so fun to watch together but the thing that makes the opinions less insufferable to me is that I know they mean them.
So yeah, while I'm in the camp of wishing Shane would be more genuine rather than trying to be the funniest quirkiest person in the room sometimes, I hold that in this instance, he's kind of serious.
I do think it's ironic how anti-Stucky they both are by virtue of the opinion that Bucky is dull as hell and yet Shane is out here stanning Dr. Strange like man, what? Make some sense now and then.
And that's the limit of my opinion on the star war ship and a little hint of an mcu opinion.
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fandomfluffandfuck · 11 months
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ppl pushing "house husband bucky" in the next installments perplex me bc either they do not understand how the superhero genre he's in works or how character arcs work or they really just wanna be like the marvel writers and remove him from the story without letting him have a proper character arc
bc for better or worse, Steve's arc is done, we all have deep deep criticisms, but his arc is done and dusted so if either of them get relegated and pushed out of the story into the background role of house husband... it's Steve bc there's not much else for him to do now
meanwhile Bucky's arc was constantly literally fridged via cryofreezing and dusting and he was never allowed to progress or even participate like a regular character
he barely even got to do fight scenes post-catws and when he does he's usually separated/demoted from the other supersoldiers-- see: Infinity War and Bucky randomly disappearing into the background without fighting alongside Steve and robbed of Old Guard-style interactions with Steve (but while still making the time to let Thor interact w Steve bc Thor doesn't get backgrounded/sidelined like Bucky)
it feels like ppl really don't give a shit about Bucky as a character and replicate Marvel's attitudes toward Bucky, fridging into the background and arrest all possible character arcs, except it's even weirder bc ppl want Steve to come back into his old hero role (I do too!) but shove Bucky into "house husband" and further refuse to let him have an arc??
it's as if they too think Bucky is too "broken" or "villainous" or "weak" to have the hero role like Steve, falling into the same victimblaming and ableism. again, a lot of self-proclaimed stucky fans seem to unironically replicate the Marvel franchise's attitude toward the characters, the attitude that decentered them and poorly executed Steve's arc
maybe these ppl just don't understand how stories work, but I'd be incredibly mad if Steve came back if Bucky gets booted off the hero/protagonist role to do it, it makes no sense narratively.
Steve already had a trilogy of him growing up being rescued by Bucky and then becoming a superhero and having his main goal be saving Bucky, it'd be much more narratively powerful to have a trilogy of Bucky finding and rescuing Steve in the 21st century instead, where he's protagonist and where we the audience finally get to see Bucky's inner world, his thoughts, his feelings, his motivations, his personality. idk why ppl who claim to like Bucky would want to get rid of the chance of Bucky finally being a proper character again and finally a protsgonist to instead shove him back into the background like phase 3 did
like why do some shippers seem so scandalized at the idea of finally having Bucky being a hero and a protagonist and a character who can be explored in depth again finally.. we should be more worried about harassing marvel to bring back Steve and have him be part of Bucky's arc and adjusting to being brought back by Bucky into a new era with new teammates
I get what you're saying. I do. It constantly feels as if Marvel doesn't give a shit about Bucky. And I agree that with the arc they have Bucky on right now (which I am not a fan of because it just seems more and more like every time Marvel touches Steve or Bucky they do more damage to who the characters are. Not even just from a stucky point of view. Steve would never leave the family he created in the new century. He would be unable to rest in the retirement of living a "normal" life. And Bucky is just... not a villain) it makes no sense to make him retire right now. Also, yeah, if they brought Steve back to make him the hero just to push Bucky to the sidelines, I would be upset.
I have to say, though, from what I've seen around fandom, people aren't pushing househusband Bucky in the MCU specifically, they're making their own little alternative universes where they bend canon to give Bucky a retirement. Usually, they ignore or rewrite Endgame. Househusband Bucky is, again, from what I've seen, something people are creating to give Bucky autonomy (his choice to stop fighting) and relaxation (assuming he'd enjoy domesticity after so long on the front lines) after the MCU didn't give him any real recovery or therapy.
Househusband Bucky isn't about him being weak or not able, nor is it scandalization of letting Bucky be a hero. It's about giving him choices--likely drawn from Bucky in Wakanda miserably asking, "where's the fight?" As he's given a new arm... another weapon.
It's one interpretation of his [Bucky's] emotions. To some people, he's exhausted, and he deserves retirement in whatever form he chooses--house husband or otherwise. And to other people, he's not done yet.
Different opinions for different people. It doesn't have to be that deep all the time, y'know? 🤷🏻‍♂️ Househusband is a cute idea, and stucky can be treated like dolls by some people to different extents--they, we, play with them in all sorts of different ways. I don't think there's a wrong way to create or play with fictional characters. I get that different interpretations can hurt when they don't align with your own, but at the end of the day, it's all good. What unites us is that MCU royally fucks over our favorites 🤣
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metalarmsgt · 1 year
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shewhowillrise · 9 months
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For the salty ask!! 1, 3, 7, 12 and 23! Enjoy ^_^
1. What OTPs in your fandom(s) do you just not get?
There’s not any I can think of that I don’t get. Like even ships I hate I understand why someone might ship them, even if it’s gross. Even ones that aren’t from the same fandom, who never have or will never interact. Like there’s a vibe, a feeling, a compatibility of personalities that just speak to people for ships like Jelsa. It’s wanting to find love even in the most unlikely of places, which is just such a human thing to want to find that I can’t begrudge them for wanting it. Can I dislike a ship that is like that? Of course, but saying that I don’t get it would be a lie, because I do get it. I get wanting to find the best companion for the characters you love, and sometimes that’s outside of their world.
2. Have you ever unfollowed someone over a fandom opinion?
Oh god yes. Blocked people just on the crime of them being anti tony stark.
3. Is there anything you used to like but can’t stand now?
Stucky, god I shipped them back when CATFA came out but then I got death threats from stucky shippers for shipping Steve with Tony post Avengers. Like that’s not how you convince someone to like your ship people!!
4. Is there an unpopular arc that you like that the fandom doesn’t? Why?
MCU: Peter getting a suit from Tony. Like, I understand wanting Peter to make his own suit and use it and stuff, I really do, but if Tony didn’t give him a suit (specifically iron spider) he would have died In infinity war. Also the whole “wanting Peter to be alone and angsty” is what marvel comics seem to continue doing and everyone hates it, so why hate that mcu was trying not to do that guys what up with that 😭
I haven’t been active in other fandoms as of late unfortunately
5. Unpopular character you love?
Apparently Sharon Carter?? Which is a travesty she’s a hot spy who has Steve Rogers wrapped around her finger. She’s girlboss 100% yet ppl hate her for it tf??
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dynamicduoofstackie · 2 years
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Seb/Bucky stan here, I'm not into shipping real people, that include evanstan & stackie, cuz I think it can get too awkward & there's always people who don't know boundaries. Also, people are too much into Seb's business as it is, wanking over his gf. But I agree that the connection & closeness shippers want Seb to have with Chris he has it with Anthony. I think one of the reason Evanstan was big was because of Stucky. People projected the ship into the actors.
You have your opinions. I have mine when it comes to shipping real people. But when it comes to double-standards with Evanstan and Stackie fans it's ridiculous because Sebastian talks about and interacts with Mackie more even though all three are close.
As for shipping Stackie... It's not like I'm going to walk up to Sebastian or Anthony irl and go, 'I know you dont know me, but you should totally bone your close friend. Do it for the content and tell me all the juicy details.'
Lol, I wouldn't do it to the people I actually knew irl. But gossip rags make their bread and butter on digging into famous people's lives. I'm just occasionally fascinated by these two fine actors and the characthers they play. Never involved or spoke ill of their love interests or family. Just loved all aspects of their relationship whether platonic or romantic; imaginary or real.
I do love SamBucky and Stackie. But when even the actors themselves admit to acting like their characthers, well damn, that's good content. 😈
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Hey NCTS! I just discovered your blog and admire your essays expressing your love for your ships. I recently got into the Stuckony ot3 and I have to say, I'm having trouble like appreciating? the Stucky aspect to this pairing. I don't know if it's just the past shippers that made me dislike Steve and Bucky, but could you, if it's possible, express your view on that ship and why so many people love it and defend it like Stony? I'd appreciate someone to widen my perspective ♡
I could write for actual days on all the achingly beautiful reasons why Stucky is a top tier pairing but honestly for me, it all comes down to this:
Pick a popular fairytale or romance novel trope. Got it? Congratulations, it perfectly applies to Stucky.
Sleeping Beauty. Which one do you want sleeping and rescued, is it Steve sleeping in the ice who never feels whole or like he's found his home until after Bucky comes back into his life, or is it Bucky who "slept" in Hydra's hold for seventy years and is literally brought back to consciousness and coherence and life by Steve whispering a line from their childhood.
Beauty and the Beast. Is it Bucky who is ugly and hidden and damaged and Steve who breaks through the mess of Hydra and brainwashing and brings light to his life by way of gentle humour and sharing meals and quick touches, or is it Steve who is so lost behind his Captain Persona that only Bucky cracks through and makes him human?
Is it Rapunzel where Bucky is trapped in the metaphorical tower of Winter Soldier conditioning and Steve literally scales walls, blows holes in walls, drops planes from the sky and takes on the entire world to reach him.
What about any story with soulmates across time and space. Star crossed lovers. Reincarnation aus. It's literally canon for Stucky. They knew and loved each other in one version of life (pre serum and pre war) met again and loved each other again in another version (post serum and during the war) then met and loved each other again Again AGAIN post CATWS, post CACW, post EG. Bucky's got a star on his shoulder that matches the star on Steve's shield like it's a soulmark. "Till the end of the line" is literally "till death do us part" which is a wedding vow.
What's your favorite theme in love stories? Is it unconditional acceptance of each other, because Steve and Bucky have loved each other back when they were poor and Steve nearly died, they loved each other during the war, they loved each other regardless of the brain washing and PTSD and pain.
Is your favorite theme Body Worship? Cos you can't tell me that Bucky didn't love skinny Steve so so much and then love Beefy Steve so so much and that Steve didn't cry the first night he was able to see the damage Hydra had done to Bucky and Bucky cringed away but Steve wrestled him back and proceeded to kiss every mark and scar and ruin and whisper how beautiful Bucky was again.
Amnesia AU? That ones actually canon cos Bucky didn't remember Steve and then DID remember Steve. Friends to Lovers? Just cos we didn't see them kiss on screen doesn't mean it didn't happen. "There was only one bed?" they were POOR of course there was only one bed!
The thing is-- pretty much whichever story trope or romance genre or fairy tale Au you tack on to them, Stucky fulfills it BEAUTIFULLY and to me as a writer, thats a pretty amazing thing.
ALSO (holy shit, I am going to ramble for days about this)
ALSO Up until Endgame butchered all of Steve's character development and yeeted him backwards to hang out with Peggy--
Literally right up until that moment, you can watch every moment of Steve/Bucky interaction in the MCU as a romance story without even having to squint for it. In fact, if you swap either Bucky or Steve out for a woman, it IS a romance story.
Hear me out:
Childhood friends since kinder school and when Stephanies mom dies, Bucky follows her home, tells her to come home with him, that he can look out for her, that she doesn't have to do it alone, that he's here for her until the very end. Bucky pulls her out of a bad situation in an alley and when she is visibly upset about him shipping out to war he pulls her close and promises her a really great night, they can go out celebrating together and it will be just fine. At the date, they fight because she wants to join up and help the war effort and he tries to talk her out of it before finally giving up and begging her not to do anything crazy while he's gone. They part with a smile but visibly upset to anyone who happens to look. Fast forward a little bit and she hears Bucky's in trouble. She quits her job, steals some stuff, connects with some mildly sketchy individuals to break every single rule and put her own life in danger to rescue Bucky and then when they are sharing a drink later and celebrating him being alive, she asks if he'll stay and he says 'i'd follow the pretty girl from brooklyn anywhere" Fast forward a little bit and Bucky gets hurt, falls from the train and disappears and in her grief and determination to END this whole thing that took the love of her life away, Stephanie crashes a plane into the arctic, saving the world but willingly killing herself because she has nothing to live for anymore... until literally decades later when just hearing Bucky's NAME is enough to jar her concentration to the point of accidentally allowing people to die in Lagos and then a short while after, abandoning her job, her work, her alliances and running all over the world taking on law enforcement just for the chance to find Bucky again before finally going into hiding in an attempt to keep Bucky safe.
That's not platonic. Not by any stretch of the imagination. But that's Stucky's MCU story. Sprinkle in a few "i tried to move on from you by kissing this person but couldn't" and a healthy dose of 'its hard to find someone with shared life experience" and a smidge of "even when I had nothing, I had him" WHICH STEVE ACTUALLY LITERALY SAID and you've got a love story.
But moving on to why I love Stucky specifically within Stuckony (I'm sorry, I said I wasn't going to ramble but HERE WE ARE ANYWAY)
Stuckony only works if the Stucky relationship is well developed and stable and that applies whether Stucky is together in the Stuckony or if they're just friends but both are with Tony (Stony/Winteriron). Because polyamory ONLY WORKS if all the partners involved are all on the same page.
So Stucky is great for all the above listed reasons, and then if you take that super strong relationship and apply it to HEALTHY polyamory with no room for jealousy or other icky dynamics, you get this really beautiful picture of two men who already love and understand each other unconditionally and get to watch them navigate the changing relationship with a third that they also love and are trying to understand. And you get to see Tony who is madly spoiled by both Steve and Bucky together and individually and then you get to see Tony diving into two AMAZING relationships where whenever there's a hiccup, Stucky goes to each other and is like "help me figure out how to treat Tony the way he deserves" and then they go do it TOGETHER.
Basically, Stuckony gives us a chance to watch the pieces of polyamory (Stucky, Stony, Winteriron) be really beautiful relationships by themselves, and then blend together into something BETTER and honestly, who doesn't want that?
One of my favorite Stuckony fics that I've ever written and the one that I think highlights that ^^ dynamic the best (without being hundreds of thousands of words lmaoooo) is called "It's Our Pleasure" and I highly recommend it for about a thousand reasons, but mostly because the story really highlights Stucky's relationship as it changes to include Tony and it wouldn't be HALF as great a story without their scenes.
Fair Warning, the Story is Dom/sub but only in like, the MOST vanilla of ways. And also it's a little angsty with hurt!Tony typical angst and also Steve knocks the shit outta a few people for disrespecting the men he loves but hey, we actually love to see that with him, right?
Cheers!
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ayo-edebiri · 2 years
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I'm not trying to get anyone in drama so no usernames, but I'm a Steve Rogers multi-shipper. I adore that lil guy. Anyway I blocked one Stucky fan for blaming Steve for 'abandoning' Bucky in Endgame and Bucky's state in TFATWS and one Stony fan for calling Steve Tony's abuser for their fights in Civil War and how Steve needed to grovel at Tony's feet in Endgame for forgiveness. Absolutely ridiculous, these people.
Your "i adore that lil guy" made me laugh, i love you nonnie :')
Honestly... just block people. This is tumblr, if you want to interact with only people who share the same opinions as you, be my guest. People really judge characters like they were real, they're not. Steve's ending in endgame was shit, i blame the writers. I love Tony with my entire heart but i just don't care if people don't like him? this is internet, just move on :'). blocking people is amazing, i should do it more often.
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thebisexualdogdad · 2 years
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WinterIron
Winterfalcon
Stucky
IronFury (fury x tony)
IronPanther
You must be new here cause I am not a Tony fan lol!
1. Winterfalcon, I would absolutely love Sam and Bucky to be a couple
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2. Stucky, like I get the hype of the ship but I'm not much of a stucky shipper but they do place higher than any Tony ship (a Sam, Bucky, Steve poly however I would be 👀👀)
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3. Ironpanther, T'challa is so hot dude
4. Winteriron, I honestly don't even remember Tony and Bucky ever interacting??? But I do have a terrible memory so I'm sure there is someone who can list every interaction off the top of their head
5. Ironfury, I'm indifferent to Fury so this gets put last
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littlemissidontcare · 11 months
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i’m not an evanstan or stucky shipper, but i don’t agree that marvel has not shied away from same sex relationships. remember how there was a big deal about an lgbtq character being included in endgame and then in turned out to be one of the russos in an easily editable scene? like they are not willing to do anything than can get their films banned in china because they rely on their tickets sales. i stopped watching mcu stuff but i think there was a same sex relationship in one of the newer films and i’m wondering if it’s because of backlash they’ve received from the lgbtq+ community because i’ve seen a lot of accusations of queerbaiting. or maybe they were willing to test out the reaction on a new film/characters.
none of this is to say i think or thought they would or should make stucky canon. them being best friends and basically family is worth exploring and add such an interesting dimension to their very similar experiences. the relatively few interactions we have with them together serve to develop their characters and give a glimpse of their motivations - esp for steve, whose actions in all of the captain america movies are basically bucky-centric. and i do think they 100% missed the opportunity to develop the relationship between steve and bucky into something more meaningful on screen rather than just thru subtext or director comments (like their comments about how steve had visited bucky in wakanda pre-IW). and i wonder if they shied away from all that because of the fervor of the shippers.
(lol sorry this is long - i have a lot of feelings about steve rogers and how endgame did him dirty. and i’d also like to add that even tho i’m not a stucky shipper, i’m also not a steggy shipper. i think peggy sucks as a character and her agreeing to bring on zola knowing what he had done to bucky and all the other prisoners is unforgiveable to me. not to mention her shooting at steve after that woman kisses him in tfa - even tho peggy and steve were not even in a relationship. like wtf.)
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Stuckys, we need to talk. Like, seriously.
I understand you're upset that Stucky is not canon in the MCU, but you have got to stop yourselves from using that fact to shit all over Black characters just because of their newfound proximity to Bucky Barnes. Seriously. No, seriously. I'm going to call a bunch of you out, now, but I hope you listen and take heed.
1) This isn't about queer representation for you. It's about Chris and Sebastian being hot white men and you wanting to see them make out on screen. And that's literally fine, who doesn't want to see that? But you need to start admitting that's what it is. Because if it wasn't about that, and it was really about queer representation, so many of you wouldn't be calling Sam Wilson "sloppy seconds", and y'all wouldn't treat both Sam and Anthony like an afterthought. Even with a lot of y'all becoming Sambucky shippers, you're doing it under the guise of Sam being some sort of consolation prize because Bucky can't have Steve. Sam has no agency, and also is treated like he isn't as good. Literally, I saw a TikTok with some girl pretending to be Bucky and Sam, and having Bucky literally tell Sam he's sloppy seconds because he can't have Steve. Literally yikes, guys.
Also, it's always girl fans who do this. I'm not saying there aren't any, but I never see gay men who are MCU fans shipping in this toxic way. And I definitely have seen gay men ship Stucky, but I swear to God there seems to be a clear difference in the way they ship vs the white girls who clearly just want to watch Chris and Sebastian make out. Literally every toxic Stucky I've ever seen who does stuff like this is a white girl. I'm not going to say no gay men are toxic fans, because there probably are some, but the amount of fans I see shitting on Sam who are white girls far outweighs any toxic Stucky gay man. Like I always say on here, Stucky is an obvious ship and I understand why people ship it, but it never had to be canon and treating it like it's the end all be all, and especially shitting on other ships like Sambucky, is really weird and, again, makes it obvious that it's not really about queer representation for you.
2) Bucky is allowed to flirt with Sarah Wilson. The same girl I saw saying Sam was "sloppy seconds" also said Bucky was only flirting with Sarah because she's an "extension of Sam", and because Kevin Feige won't let Sambucky happen so Sarah is the stand in. How insulting and sexist to insinuate that a woman is simply an extension of her male family member. No matter how you meant it, that's a really sexist notion. I've seen people make funnier jokes, like Bucky can't decide which Wilson sibling he likes, or he's going to become a Wilson one way or another. Neither of those jokes takes autonomy and humanity away from Sarah. ALSO, Sarah is a dark skinned Black woman being portrayed as desirable to the white boy fave on a major TV show that is part of the biggest film franchise in the world. I'm not sure if y'all know how much colorism effects Black women, especially dark skinned Black women. Hollywood almost never casts dark skinned Black women as desirable love interests. Especially one that isn't super modelesque with basically European features and bone straight hair. This is a positive thing for representation of dark skinned Black women, and I KNOW you've seen how happy Black girls were just seeing that 2 second interaction. How dare you reduce it to being there because Marvel stole your Stucky, and especially not because she's simply "an extension of Sam." At this point, there's no clear indication that Sarah and Bucky will literally happen, but goddamn, you can't let Black girls be a love interest for just one second? Even if you like "queer Bucky", bisexual men exist, damn. Sticking Bucky with Sharon for no reason, like they did with Steve, would have been weird and bad and you would have been more valid for questioning Marvel's motives for doing it, but letting Bucky be himself and flirt with a cute girl on a boat for 2 seconds isn't a bad thing. And if Sarah does actually become his girlfriend, it's an absolute win, and you need to let Black girls have this.
Like, I get Stucky, and I also understand wishing Marvel would just finally let any main character be actually queer. I seriously understand. But can you complain about that without shitting on the Black characters and the fans who are happy about them, right now?
I never was a fan of Stucky, because I don't think you have to have romantic feelings for someone to care about them that deeply, so I don't understand the Stucky shipper assertion that Marvel somehow stole something owed to them... but I also do understand why you ship it, and it's honestly not a bad ship. You guys just take it too far and make things uncomfortable for everyone else. And, as I've been saying for years, sometimes you make it lowkey racist. People have been shipping Stevesam since CA:TWS and you guys have downplayed it the entire time, and even used Sam as Steve's stand-in for Bucky in your fics and all of that. I remember reading fics tagged Stevesam where Steve would be having sex with Sam and then reminiscing about how it was with Bucky and wishing he were still with him, and y'all literally never saw how gross that was. Using Sam like a consolation prize. Now Steve is gone and you're still treating him like that.
And Sam and Bucky have never once treated each other like a stand-in for Steve. They treat each other like individuals with autonomy, and they even care for each other on the level that the other person needs it. It's actually really fucking good, the canon version of their relationship that's unfolded with the show. If y'all could let go of Steve for a second, literally, you would see how great Sambucky's dynamic is and that neither of them would ever see the other as "sloppy seconds" or some kind of consolation prize. It's gross.
Also, I hope Sarah gets that super soldier dick just to piss y'all off.
I'm done.
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Here we are yet again with the people invalidating and judging a popular mlm ship. This time? Buddie (Buck and Eddie from 911)
People say it's fetishization (which I don't doubt some of the people who ship them are doing that) but as someone who goes through the tags on Tumblr and TikTok and Twitter I don't see that. Maybe I just don't see as many posts as others or something (I haven't been in this fandom that long) but the majority of the posts about Buddie that I see are just discussing the show and parallels and headcanons and the differences in how they act around each other and others. A lot of fanfic is sexual but I thought that's how it was in most fandoms (I have not been a part of every fandom obvi but like fanfic has a reputation for being sexual).
People get so upset over any LGBTQ+ ship but I mostly see it with MLM ships. Whether it's people trying to invalidate the shipper/ship or people being homophobic or the good ol "why can't they just be friends?" (Bc that's usually all they ever are). Like yes seeing healthy male friendships on screen is wonderful but having mlm ships be canon is wonderful too. There are so many male friendships in media and it's understandable to want to continue to see those friendships but it's also understandable to want mlm canon couples and other LGBTQ+ canon couples on screen. We're not trying to take over and have the roles switch and have mostly mlm canon couples and a few male friendships shown on screen or have 95% of characters in a show/movie be LGBTQ+, we just want to be involved and to be properly represented with respect.
So many popular mlm ships have romantic tropes used for them and are so close it can be seen as best friends or family but why not also potential love interests? It's not just having a deep connection. It's not just loving each other. It's not just looking at each other like they're each other's world. It's not just those things. It's all those things put together and and more.
Merthur, Johnlock, Destiel, Stucky, Lokius, etc...all get people hating on them saying "why can't they just be friends? They're like brothers! They're family! Why do you have to make everything gay?" The thing is there really isn't anything wrong with these ships and we have reasons for shipping them that don't have to do with anything sexual. Also, most of the time they're not made canon! I see Buddie getting the same treatment that those ships I mentioned did/do. There is nothing wrong with shipping Buddie. There is something wrong with fetishizing people/characters but that goes with everyone despite sexuality so I don't know why people always bring up this argument when it comes to LGBTQ+ ships. Yes people do bring up sexual fantasies/headcanons when talking about characters they ship and there is discussion about whether or not that's appropriate but don't mistake those headcanons that individuals have with the validity of a queer ship. If the shippers are the ones upsetting you, stop interacting with them. Don't get so annoyed at them to the point you look at the ship in disgust and end up hating it. The ship is still good. The characters still have all the chemistry they had before the fandom started getting on your nerves but don't take that out on the ship itself. I understand Destiel shippers upset a lot of people but that doesn't take away from Destiel or the validity of the ship itself.
Please stop hating on ships/characters just because the fandom is hateful/annoying. There is nothing wrong with Stucky no matter how much the fandom annoys you.
Anyway I just wanted to say that because it seems that everytime an mlm ship becomes more well-known/popular that's when the hate comes in. It's like people loved Stucky until the fandom got on their nerves...like?? bestie Stucky is still Stucky and you should still ship them if you want to. You don't have to interact with the rest of the shippers if you don't want to.
Last point : just because you ship a ship that is not your sexuality does not mean you are fetishizing them. You can see the chemistry that the rest of us see and you can ship them too.
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being a sambucky/sarahbucky shipper is exhausting sometimes cuz ppl don’t let u have fun at all and they keep on trying to bring “logic” into it. i also feel like a lot of ppl just don’t understand u can ship multiple ships at once?? like u ship sarahbucky and ppl always try to say nah it’s not gonna happen or try to relate to st*cky or something. and then when sambucky was a small ship we were all vibing and there wasn’t as much attention. now for some reason, especially these days, i see post like “sambucky is wack samsteve is so much better sam and bucky aren’t even friends” like i love love love samsteve as much as the next person, but why is it just getting attention (when ppl have been saying for years about how good samsteve is) and why are we bringing down sambucky for it? like i tell someone i ship sambucky sarahbucky stevesam stevesharon sammonica n ppl get so confused 😭 sorry for this long ass rant it’s just a lot of weird shit has been happening in this fandom and it’s weird like what is in the air
Hi Anon!!!
You can always come to me to rant because IT IS exhausting.
I really like your point about how they try to bring “logic” into it, because there are arguments they use are only used when it comes to interracial couples.
For instance, people have no problem denigrating Sarah and Bucky saying Sarah and Bucky, didn’t have much interactions, that they’re not gonna happen, when they were clearly flirting, the relationship was confirmed by the writer. And most importantly, you never hear that argument about the lack of interactions, with the Bucky x Yelena ship, two characters that had absolutely no interactions.
I ship Sambucky but anyone who sh*ts on Sarahbucky gets an automatic block from me.
I have seen ships start and grow popular with 1/10 of what SarahBucky had, but suddenly when a Black woman is involved, people need to start making lists of all the reasons it wouldn’t work?
And to be honest, even if Sambucky is more popular now, it’s a little bit the same thing, some of the arguments against the ship are a little week, like the people who are saying that Sam and Bucky aren’t even friends and don’t even like each other that much????
I can assure you, that if two White dudes had walked away together after staring at a sunset together, with their hands wrapped around each other and one of the characters touching the other’s nape, there wouldn’t be so many people denying the romantic aspect of their relationship in the fandom.
When it’s 2 White male characters, the queercoding is obvious to everyone in the fandom but somehow when a Black character is involved, people just dont. see. it.
It’s the reason why people don’t see that Sam has had many more flirty interactions with men than with women. It’s the reason why people are so quick to paint Sebastian Stan as the Sambucky ship captain, because of him saying the Falcon and the Winter Soldier were the real love story, but he said that 5 years ago, and most recently he clearly stated that he shipped SarahBucky, but Anthony has given us much more Sambucky headcanons than Sebastian ever did, headcanon, saying Sam visited Bucky in Wakanda regularly and that Sam used to buy lube for Bucky, but the fandom just ignores that.  
I’m mixing a lot of stuff because I’m tired, but what I’m saying is that a lot of reasons why there are so many opposition to the ships are because Black characters are involved, not because people “don’t see the chemistry”, or because they just see them “as friends”, or that “she is a strong woman who doesn’t need a man”. 
We are seeing all of this hostilty because the characters involved are not White.
When the critics to Sambucky are coming from Stuckies or other people in the fandom, I’m ok with that becasue that’s what I would be expecting anyway lol. I have no expectation when it comes to that fandom but when the criticism comes from Samsteve or Sarahbucky shippers, it makes me a little sad becuse I want to scream: do you realize we are on the same side right??? Samsteves, Sarahbuckies and Sambuckies are in in this together, at least they should be. 
Ok, I can admit it, we have a more crap in the Sambucky fandom because we grew a lot lately. But even with that, I personally feel like it should be Sarabuckies, Sambuckies and Samsteves against the world.
No real Sambucky shipper would sh*t on SarahBucky or Samsteve and by real I mean the shippers who care about both Sam and Bucky and did not migrate to Sambucky just because they wanted a babysitter for Bucky.
One of the problems I have noticed to is that a lot of new shippers come from fandoms were racism was tolerated, so they think that they can continue to pull the same sh*t in the Sambucky fandom. Good example is Stucky, the racism in the Stucky fandom was tolerated, because the accounts that were pulling racists crap could post freely, and the non-toxic fans, wouldn’t do anything, so they were allowed to be racist in peace. So naturaly, a lot of ex-Stucky shippers who move to Sambucky think they will be able to do the same in the Sambucky fandom, and get confused when they can’t do it and get called out.
I’m greatful the Sambucky fandom is growing and that they are so many new shippers, and content, but if you are going to come to the Sambucky fandom and then not care about Sam at all, or sh*t on Sarah, you might as well stay away.
I think it’s pretty cool between SarahBucky shippers, Samteve and Sambucky shippers most of the time. So it pains me whenever a shipper is briging down Sambucky because, the way I see it, we’re all in the same boat. 
And I mean it literally. The SarahBucky ship is where the Sambucky ship was 5 years ago: Not a lot of interactions, small fandom, having to deal with a lot of racism and crap coming from Stucky shippers... Same boat.
And yes Sambucky is much more popular now, but when it started we went through everything SarahBucky ship is going through right now.
I agree with you wholeheartedly, we really don’t need to bring other ships down.
The perfect solution is really to create your own fandom space, choose your mutuals and the people you follow wisely. Block the tags you don’t want to see. And block the people whose content upset you and don’t hesitate to call them out if needed!
I was made aware that there was some stuff going on in the Sambucky tag lately, but honestly I hadn’t even seen it because I had the users blocked already. So don’t hesitate to block even if it’s just that you’re getting some bad vibes from the blog. You can always unblock later.
Let me tell you, I am blocked by a LOT of people on this app hahaha, but it works better this way because everyone is just enjoying their own fandom circles. And if there needs to be some fandom subcircles within the Sambucky fandom, so be it. Right now, I feel like we need to create two separate fandoms for the people who are only there for Bucky, and then one for the people who actually care about Sam and Bucky.
Anyway I’m not sure if any of what I’m saying makes sense, I’m a little tired, but you can always come to me with your rants :) And yes!!! Multishipping is a thing. 
Honestly, I ship Sambucky more, but there is no ship that I actively that I don’t like, SarahBucky? Top Tier ship. Samsteve? They were basically a couple, the ship has sailed.  And let me tell you, even Stucky I don’t hate, I really like the ship and used to ship it my problem is the shippers and the fandom.
I never feel the need to bring other ships down or explain why they won’t work... So I agree with you completely.
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Let's talk LGBTQ+ erasure in the Marvel Fandom
Mischaracterization in fandom is a big problem, and it's something we see from every fanbase. A character gets boiled down into a few condensed traits and their nuance is washed out and forgotten. Fanonization isn't always inherently bad, and can lead to fandom solidarity and representation through headcanon, and this can sometimes eventually have influence on canon, which can be seen in the Homestuck fandom, where eventually slash pairings that received enough attention became endgame romantic pairings (Dave and Karkat, Rose and Kanaya, etc.). Of course I'm not here to discuss Homestuck today, I'm here to discuss the Marvel fandom and its toxic dudebro fans, as well as related topics that intersect with this issue. 
There's a common mischaracterization problem in the Marvel fandom, particularly in relation to queer relationships and characters. 
First example is Deadpool. Wade Wilson is described by his canon writers and creators to be omnisexual or pansexual, or of an otherwise fluctuating and open sexuality. The Deadpool video game wildly mischaracterized Wade and even made him behave in some homophobic ways, acting grossed out by men and homoerotic implications. This was jarring for me as someone who has read his comics and knows for a fact that Wade has multiple emphasized crushes on or at least attraction to other male characters, such as Spider-Man, Thor, Cable, and others. The game was very popular despite this mischaracterization and created a condensed fanonized Deadpool that is made into nothing more than an ultraviolent oversexualized joke, despite his character being the epitome of coping humor and having a very tender and compassionate side to him. It's known in the comics that Wade uses his humor to cope with his severe trauma, this doesn't mean he is just comic relief. This has gotten consistently worse since the Deadpool films. (I'm looking at you, shitty Wal-Mart DP t shirt that shows Wade holding a sign that says "oh I'm sorry did I offend you?" Which is really OOC imho)
Many of the more hypermasculine fans of Deadpool seem to have this false image of him being the epitome of "offensive humor" when in reality his trademark is Metahumor, not going out of his way to be a dick to people. These fans also often either ignore or aren't aware of Deadpool not being straight, portraying him as thirsting after buxom ladies but forgetting his openly admitted male attracted orientation which is just as obvious if you're not actively ignoring it. This is a grave mistake that takes so much from his character, especially in the case of the Deadpool/Spider-Man team up comics. 
In that span of issues Wade went through an entire moral transformation, molding himself and his moral compass to earn the respect of Spider-Man, while unable to go more than a few pages without flirting with him. The things Wade goes through in order to Do the Right Thing by Spider-Man in any other story would be considered romantic. If a man did this much for a woman in a narrative of course no one would question the romantic subtext, but because it's two men, half of the fanbase has a kneejerk reaction to this concept and swear that Deadpool flirting is a joke. (Or that it's just "Bromance")
Yes, because apparently a man being attracted to a man has to be a joke. /Sarc
Wade and Peter are even canonically shown to be "heartmates" and this still isn't enough for the erasure to end, and ultimately I think this is because the fans guilty of this either didn't read the Deadpool comics and only know the movie or game, or they chose to read the comics through a straight washed lense, assuming all "gayness" is a joke.
It's made prominently clear in Deadpool/Spider-Man that Wade is probably in love with Spidey based on his actions, and truly every single interaction with him leaves more evidence to support this idea, especially when you look at his relationship with Shiklah and how not-good it was in comparison to his much healthier dynamic with Peter. Even with the knowledge of the ridiculous Peter Parker Policy (that states Peter Parker must always be portrayed as a straight white man in canon despite him being the embodiment of the underdog), one cannot deny Wade is attracted to Peter canonically. The only thing in the way of them being a pair is that they're both men and Marvel is too cowardly to make one of their most famous and family oriented characters queer, and that fans who aren't queer actively ignore the obvious subtext and narrative value of the Wade/Peter dynamic in the comics. Marvel has doubled down on this with the MCU by making Peter Parker WAYYYYY younger than Wade than he actually is in the comics (don't ship MCU spideypool folks, that's gross. Comics only. MCU Spider-Man is far too young even at 18), making it now impossible for us to see this dynamic on screen, because they're only capable of giving queer representation when it comes with an R rating, apparently (and they really didn't do that w Deadpool either tbh they stated that he's pansexual in some trailers but never showed much queerness in the films at all, even with Ryan Reynolds wanting to focus on Wade having a boyfriend at some point, it hasn't come to fruition bc Marvel is too scared to lose their rabid straight fans).
The same erasure can be seen in Venom, in relation to Eddie Brock and his undeniably queer relationship with the genderless, masculine presenting alien living in his body. 
Eddie and Venom are portrayed and referred to as if they're married, Venom himself states that their bond is equivalent to a marriage, and Eddie calls Venom "love". Yet again, this is ignored by edgier straight fans who refuse to see the blatant truth about the characters. 
Venom drops everything to be with Eddie, his purpose in life itself. He chooses Eddie over his biological purpose and has repeatedly been shown to do ANYTHING to stay with him, never wanting to be apart from Eddie. 
After the release of Venom 2018 this relationship is receiving spotlight again, but not without pushback. Many fans seem to have the impression that this relationship is fan generated and accuse shippers of "hamfisting gay shit into everything" when in reality they're the ones hamfisting straightness where there is none, and erasing the canon in order to fit their personal interpretation, the very thing they accuse queer fans of doing. The same thing happens with Spideypool, with Stucky, with Symbrock, with Loki and Venom's nonbinary genders, with every LGBTQ+ hero or character in Marvel this can be seen as a pervasive problem. The elitist nerds who go out of their way to delegitimize other fans are often the least fluent in the source material they claim to defend.
This is both a result of toxic fandom, and of badly managed representation on the part of Marvel as a company. I'm by no means an authority on all things Marvel, but as a queer fan of Marvel properties, I feel this needs to be said.
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