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misssakurapetal28 · 2 days
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C@tra Stans: OMG why people are criticizing C@tra so much!? She’s a literal teenager! Poor baby! 🥺
Also C@tra Stans: OMG C@tra and C//A is SO sexy and spicy! I love it! 😍😍😍
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spop fans: omg spop is such a mature and well-written show! it's such a win for the community, it's meant for all ages
spop fans when someone criticizes the show: uhm why are you whining about a kid's show lmao it's not that deep, get a life
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madnessandentropy · 3 months
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If you say a healthy relationship where the characters respect each other and are an equal level is "boring" you are an instant red flag to me, because every person who says this turns out to be a piece of shit that glorifies abuse and, if they are a creator, generally suck at storytelling as well
EDIT: Just to clarify I don't mean you can't enjoy toxic ships. I didn't get it across well, but what I'm talking about is fans who ignore blatant abuse and try paint it as a "spicy romance" and dismissing healthier ships/couples as "boring and vanilla". If you refuse to acknowledge a relationship is toxic and instead glorify/romanticise it while saying actually healthy ships are too boring then you are in fact a red flag
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anti-spop · 4 months
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people about catra: *extremely long essays/analyses that dissect her motivations and her backstory for us to sympathize with her*
people about adora: uhhh dumb lesbian jock lol! catra loves her so much! adora was so stupid for leaving catra! adora has such a gigantic forehead! have i already mentioned how dumb adora is?
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aethergalaxias · 4 months
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haha not to be bitter on main or anything but like. just rewatched a couple episodes of spop and it kinda bothered me how glossed over the episode “white out” is, despite being a COMPLETELY FUCKING TERRIFYING concept???
it’s sort of weird to me that the only thing most people took away from that episode was That One Specific Scene (“looks like you’re mine now, adora”, which was also something i found pretty creepy??? but hey, that’s a subject for a different post LMAO) and pretty much brushed over everything else, especially considering the reaction to the later episode “save the cat” in which pretty much the same exact thing happened to a different character and everyone found it horrifying.
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matthasnobinary · 2 months
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It's so strange how the SPoP fandom preaches about being LGBT friendly and supporting all sorts of LGBT representation, but it only matters that allosexual queer romances get that type of support
Most of the fandom doesn't even care about aspec people, platonic relationships, or even QPRs and it shows
I wish I wasn't kidding because I've had a Catra/c//a stan go onto an old post of mine criticizing c//a and tell me to "cry about it" when everything I was talking about was about how poorly the romance in the show was handled
One of the points I made was that both the show and the fandom prioritizes too much on allosexual queer romances rather than a mixture of any other types of representation, especially aspec characters, platonic relationships, or QPRs
As an aspec person myself, it is painful having to see how ships like c//a, scorfuma, and even seamista got development as canon romantic couples, despite:
One being an abusive, codependent relationship that had literally been the mental downfall of Adora for most of the series
One is of an ableist woman who preaches about friendship when the only person she chooses to defend in a certain scene is her love interest (who's known her for a few months at most) rather than her actual friends
One is a one-sided, creepy obsession between a princess who looks and acts like a teenager and a guy who looks like he's in his late 20s to early 30s
So yeah...kinda weird how people prioritize in these ships and think it's completely valid to speak over aspec, lesbian, or just queer people in general who don't like this show for it's treatment of romances
Friends-to-lovers tropes and friends-to-enemies-to-lovers ships aren't inherently bad, nor are they impossible to pull of with certain ships in the fandom
It's how it's written to prioritize in romantacizing toxicity in c//a, having Perfuma preaching about friendship while putting an autistic coded person (that was her supposed girlfriend's friend) on a leash multiple times, and making a relationship between someone who's shown no interest in someone who's constantly harassing and pursuing her in the creepiest ways possible
Why are the stans like this?
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scribbledscarab · 2 months
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Can't wait for Tumblr to call Percy Jackson "irredeemable media" when Percy doesn't kill all of the gods!
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years-n-feather · 4 days
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My weird relationship with the She-Ra franchise
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bluelesbian2018 · 3 months
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Some She-Ra anti replied to a Youtube comment i made 3 YEARS AGO. They went on a rant about how SPOP and its creator are "problematic" and that i shouldn't support it and instead watch TOH.
Bruh. Disney donated 2 million to Israel. Are we still debating over which kids cartoon is more morally superior to watch in 2024??
And it's not like Dreamworks is off the hook either. Comcast is an absolute evil conglomerate like Disney. That's why valuing art on some imaginary political correctness instead of anything of actual substance feels pointless to me.
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spopsalt · 3 months
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Honestly, the spop fandom will complain that the spop anti community is mean, but in my experience, it's literally one of the nicest, welcoming and most accepting communities I've been in meanwhile I've literally seen someone in the spop fandom tell someone else to kys because they didnt like their abusive little meow meow, not to mention that the spop fandom just jumps to insults when you don't like their abusive little meow meow or the show.
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i— hmm.. i don't know if i should laugh or cry. are c//a stans really this dumb? how do they connect catra punching adora with her “trying to protect adora”? what even is going on inside their brains anymore? has it been turned to mush by the constant exposure to the poor writing of this show?
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madnessandentropy · 3 months
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Fans can be so funny when they're met with characters in emotional states that are raw and hurting because of someone. Not like a single tear sliding down their cheek or glaring angrily at the offender in an easy to romanticise way, I mean screaming at them, hating them, attacking them and so on.
Fans are funny about this because they go
"Sure character x got character y's family killed and ruined their life and any chance they have at improvement, but character y doesn't have to be so rude about it 🙄"
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anti-spop · 3 months
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this might sound harsh but honestly i think nate (and i guess crew-ra overall) is completely irresponsible for reinforcing the idea that abuse and bullying are okay because "they hit you because they like you". in a FUCKING KIDS SHOW. spop is teaching wrong ideas about romance and friendship to younger audiences, which is so infuriating because they still make it clear that shadow weaver is bad (which is correct) but they don't apply the same thing to catra who does similar if not worse things than SW does.
like i bet this show would've been a lot more harmful if i watched it when i was much younger. it would make me believe that abuse and bullying are okay because my abusers/bullies have tragic backstories that automatically excuse them, so i would be the one in the wrong.
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redheadlesbianfreak · 10 months
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I hate this trend where there is a queer show with a lot of diversity, including an on-screen same sex couple. And the creator openly talks about how this was very difficult to accomplish and something they have to fight for. And then the fanbase says that the show is queer-baiting or has “forced heterosexuality” because there is one canon m/f couple in the supporting cast. 
Never mind that bisexual/pansexual opposite sex couples exist and that there are trans people who are heterosexual. Never mind that the heterosexual couple is healthy and equal and doesn’t adhere to cisheteronormativity. Never mind that the creator openly had to fight for a diverse cast and queer representation, and got a lot of hate from alt-right groups. Never mind that the “forced het couple” is interracial and diverse (because everything is about shipping).
Nah, it’s all queer-baiting, you see, because I don’t personally like this ship and don’t want to ship it. And you can bet that I’ll never be this hard on my favorite sitcom with no queer representation made by a bunch of cishet men. In fact, I’ll even praise my favorite cishet white showrunners for doing the bare minimum, and treat queer showrunners like they’re the incarnation of Satan (/s).
Bonus points if the queer showrunner is trans and they constantly get misgendered by the people who hate the show.
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weaselbeaselpants · 5 months
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kind of related but not- I'm genuinely sorry to be posting so much or about Lily Orchard, guys. Prior to Courtney coming on and telling us her story I was mostly just taken aback and angry with Lily as "one of those critic types" in my circle of vision.
It sucks -and yeah I know other critics don't want to hear this+Lily will use this fact as an excuse to discredit ppl's complaints abt her. but I think a lot of us were initially exposed to Lily because they knew of andor were fans of her cartoon criticism content. In my case I knew Lily from her days of Bronydom and have watched her make more and more meanMEAN material even w it's not about internal fandom dramacallouts. Back in those days and up to last year I could say of Lilly the same thing I'd say for a lot of people who annoy me online: I think she's a bully. Which is still bad, it's just not 'criminal', inherent. Comparing her to Rebecca Sugar, Lindsay Ellis, Contrapoints or VivziePop would be stupid as she really doesn't have even half the portfolio or wherewithall as any of those people -or even Zena and Poppy, not that they're angels. Lily was/is annoying because she'd use other people's genuine concerns and talking points. There's a certain takenupbyaltlight-term that I begrudginly would love to use for Lily that REALLY hits the nail on the head with her, be it as a fan, a critic or an activist. But I won't use it. Not because it's untrue, but because it's used by the same people who write her kiwifarm pages and misgender her and clearly couldn't give a crap about her if she didn't make them "lol"
But then, I actually looked at some of Britt's receipts and skimmed bits and pieces of what remains of Stockholm (I think you all already know this but @britts-galaxy-brain the links are missing now). For years, I'd known and listened to others honestly harp on Lily as some kind of counter-initiative for her going after their fav foalcon people. I assumed it was more of the same. It's not. Lily 100% wrote cp and is trying to hide it. No not fiction abt young adults that delves into erotic and sexisms; not stuff with aged-up child characters being big boobied of themselves thru the gaze or r34 artists. She wrote cp.
Essense of Thought's and that one hour long video talking about Stockholm were the first real horrifying revelation. Then I read through Brittney's saved messages from Lily and 'Tara'. Then I saw Patch's video.
THEN, Courtney came out and told everyone on here and her server everything we needed to know. I don't abide by everything Courtney says, especially about her abusers but I mean they're her abusers and please stop asking her to like the children who're valued more than her in the lives of her abusers, or at least maybe vent openly not to Courtney directly about your fear for those kids Cameron has. Yeah, I'm also concerned but idk there's got to be a better way to handle this. Anyway, as previously stated, I believe Courtney, Britt, and Patch. There's no way that those people have faked that stuff. I've heard kind of stretched explanations being true, but there's no way Stockholm was "edited by pedos" like Lily's saying it was I know I'm missing a few folks in there but I believe a lot of people have been genuinely victimized by LO and aren't just acting out of transphobia, bigotry.
Of what I can attest based on what I've seen, I KNOW that Lily Orchard wrote 'fluffy' foalcon and is saying she didn't, and also that the woman hates the word "queer".
Of what has been shown to me, I fully BELIEVE Lily Orchard is an abusive, sockpuppeting predator. Not only that, she's hiding behind other predator's existence to lie to her audience of other abused people to convince both them and herself that she couldn't possibly be a predator.
In 2013, what was 10 years from now, there was a controversy in the MLP fandom where a minor rose a (not undeserved) stink abt the askblog Princess Molestia and how it was making light of r*pe, intentionally or not. To counter this, a bunch of mouthbreathing bronies took it upon themselves to prove they weren't creeps by threatening the underrage sa victim, making r*pe porn of her while other mouthbreathers basically said "yeah put she's [the minor] annoying so it's the same kind of evil we're doing, really". Centrists.
Why this matters to me is (CW. CW. CW) you can find a post from Tara Callie, who was almost certainly one of Lily's alts at the time, admitting she found the r*pe art of Pinkiepony "hot", all the while Lily herself was publicly denouncing Pinkie's treatment by the fandom.
Lily Orchard is an awful human being. She does not have intrusive thoughts or fears of acting on those intrusive thoughts sometimes, like me and other people do. She has sexual and violent urges that she hides enough form the public to not make her followers suspect anything. She's twofaced and takes out her probable self-hate by attacking other predators. She's all deflection and lies. I can not believe a thing that vile woman says. Neither should you.
The biggest means of fighting her I think we all can do of is refusing to use her critical tag w we talk about her. Spam her "own tag". Enough hiding and denying who this terrible bigoted abusive woman really is.
Because really, her thoughts on glubshitto or whoever from Owl House are HARDLY the worst of it. Not even.
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kaythefloppa · 1 year
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This is gonna shock a lot of y'all, but Catra stans claiming that Catra isn't abusive bc she "has BPD," and calling the people who call her such, "ableists" are in fact, ableists.
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