#so it's like harmless that they're somewhat rigid and 2D like that's fine bc if ur not that then u just don't need to id as that

[cruelsister-moved]

not trying to gatekeep i just literally don't understand this idea of like... for want of a better phrase, treating butch and femme as entire genders and then being gnc to them because like 1. they're already inherently gnc by being lesbian roles so you're not doing something radical here and 2. they're social sexual roles so performance and presentation IS basically an inseparable part of them enough that like a "masculine femme" is completely meaningless where a masculine woman is completely rational

#and idk how to rationalise my thoughts abt this without like a whole essay #esp since butch and femme also have double meanings AND a lot of times ppl don't realise they aren't using the same meanings as eachother #but yeah especially since no one is ever expected to be butch/femme and like performing it has no benefit in society and stuff like #I feel like ppl r applying the same kind of rhetoric as like 'don't deny my womanhood just because I don't want to conform to femininity' #but.....womanhood and femininity are separable categories. butch/masc and femme/feminine like rely on those concepts #femininity means different things to different people n like a lot of femmes are very gnc (to womanhood) #but the idea of u know being like oh Im a femme and I hate dressing femininely and shit it's just like.... #so are u a femme then? #like im not trying to be mean but it just doesn't make sense why u would Ídentify with like #An entirely optional label #if you don't feel comfortable with the implication of that label #and like there isn't really a way of going around '[ #'subverting' butch/femme that doesn't end up basically treating them as male/female and like I fucking hate the conflation of femme/woman #its just silly to me like they don't need subverting because. they aren't forced on people or like wielded the way gender is #so it's like harmless that they're somewhat rigid and 2D like that's fine bc if ur not that then u just don't need to id as that #ALSO. I'm a femme who doesn't shave or really wear me #makeup so it's not that I'm saying u must perform hyperfemininith to b #be femme