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nicknellie · 3 years
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I just think it’d be really nice if Carrie could play the flute
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shoezuki · 3 years
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Tommy's prison/revival arc isnt well written actually
Anyways ive been wanting to talk on it a while for a bit here but havent had the Time or like. The thought to. But im gonna go off now.
First off im gonna say im ASSUMING this stream and plot of tommy being in the prison with dream is written entirely by tommy and dream. Wilbur May be involved in the latest stream but im not sure.
Bringing tommy back to life after only three days of him being dead did practically nothing to progress plot, the characters, or audience's understanding. In fact i feel that it damaged Other characters' potential and plot and already established plotlines.
The 'development' aspect
A really, really easy way to see if anything has changed or developed through an arc or plotline is to straightup just compare the 'beginning' to the 'end' in terms of the barebones situation. So;
Beginning: tommy is trapped in an isolated prison cell with dream, his own abuser who has hurt him in the past, for an unknown amount of time. He's terrified of dream and being stuck there with him.
End: tommy is trapped in an isolated prison cell with dream after being killed then revived by him, his own abuser whos hurt him in the past, for an unknown amount of time. Hes terrified of dream and being stuck there with him.
Okay. This is simplified obvious. But the point stands. ALTHOUGH the troupe of 'going back to the beginning' is common in the heroes journey its. It doesnt work here. Has tommy learned anything? Has he changed as a character? Is the severity of their situation any different? Have we, as the audience, learned anything new?
Im going to expand on that last point because i think it has the strongest potential argument. Technically for progression in literature and development of plot/characters, things can Change without them being Aware as characters. It can change just by the audience's perception changing or being challenge.
Slight example: i've been reading a webcomic called Your Throne. Its a fantasy/political drama about a noble lady who entered a competition with another noble lady to become the empress. The main lady lost despite her being a better fit, and the comic starts with the main lady trying to assassinate the empress. Its assumed and stated by the main lady that she 'ruined her life' and so thats all the readers know. However, later in the novel we see flashbacks to the competition itself and find that the two ladies were extremely close friends, neither wanting anything bad for the other, but it was the emperor himself who manipulated both of them for his own agenda. Those flashbacks gave us an entirely different idea of who the real antagonist is and completely changed the two main ladies' relationship. THAT is how the audience's understanding of the plot and novel can be used to change the entire story. We dont get such here though
Some things that were brought to light during tommy being dead/revived:
Dream is capable of reviving people infinitely
This was already implicated and assumed. The book dream has being a means of reviving people has been around Technically since schlatt's death. This just 'confirmed' what was known
Time works differently/feels longer in the afterlife
This doesnt really impact much beyond emotions and implications. If we had more insight into what the 'afterlife' is like beyond nothingness perhaps so. But really it just makes it so wilbur being dead for what feels like 9 years and tommy having been dead for 2 months appeal to emotions.
Wilbur is evil
This one fuckin sucks i cant lie HSKSHSISSGEGDV. Like i was gon go on bout it and i will but it jus sucks. We have nothing to go on besides tommy's word, no examlles of what Horrible things wilbur said could make tommy assume this, etcetc. Ill most likely make a seperate post on how this feels like we're just going to get 'wilbur is a horrible villain' type with him. But still. I feel wilbur Not Being Good isnt a new development.
Dream is going to revive wilbur
This doesnt feel new either, part because phil had wanted to revive wilbur before (ill get to that more later) and that tommy had kept dream alive/initially imprisoned him with the idea of him reviving wilbur.
Dream believes wilbur will break him out of prison
Okau this makes no sense to me actually. I cwnt understand How exactly wilbur would be able to do this? Or why dream believes he even Could? Mans been dead for like 9 years and all we Know of the afterlife is that its black... nothingness. How would 9 years of that make wilbur capable of busting the prison open?
So. Yeah. All in all this plotline hasnt done anything new, developed things, or altered people's perceptions. We just ended up back at square one. Back to tommy being traumatized, dream being 'evil' and horrible and doing villain monologues, and them being stuck together.
Other characters and plotlines
Im pretty damn sure tommy's revival fucked up a LOT of other characters' plotlines and potential development. Honestly i feel this has a lot to do with the writers not communicating with other ccs well enough. But Ill talk about specific characters from least to most fucked over in my opinion:
Sam
He's the best off. He hqd been there during tommy's death, had been close to tommy, had majorly blamed himself and his own mistakes for tommy's death. His grief and self hatred was actually really heartbreaking and well done. The attached character of Sam Nook being unaware of tommy's death and simply waiting for tommy to return was a really good parallel to sam's own grief and anger. like it really snapped sam the guy who cares for tommy and wants to do Right by him back together with him as the Warden of the prison. Mixed personal life with 'just business'.
I feel it wouldve been nice to have him like. Have more time to grieve properly and come to terms eith tommy's death and his own involvement/influence over the events. Him finding tommy alive again Could be a means of him like. Facing his own grief head on if done well.
Ranboo
Mostly in the context of him and sam's argument do i feel it got screwed over. The weight of them yelling at each other and trying to find who to blame and the implications that Maybe ranboo was the one who caused the security breach that closed down the prison on tommy just.... doesnt hit so hard anymore. Because how can there be blame and arguments and a 'who done it' mystery when tommy popped up all fine again?
Puffy
I dony know much of her involvement or how she found out tommy died (besides metagaming shhhhh) but i saw her monologuing of how they 'failed' tommy and like. Her whole 'he was so young we the Adults failed him' spiel is like........... inconsequential? Now??? Like no dont worry he died but hes alright now.
Philza
BET YOU DIDNY EXPECT TO SEE THIS FUCKER!!!!!! But actually though i want to talk bout how this ties into phil. A LOT. for Zalbr ❤. But also because i see ppl tying phil to tommy's death n like nah shutup u doin it wrong. Ill go off more in a Wilbur Post. But essentially: i dont like that dream is now going to revive wilbur. I feel they arent going to tie philza into this Despite phil having originally been trying to revive his son and studying on it and Attempting and Failing. But now suddenly dream can just. Say some magic words and Poof wilbur lives? So we're just going to Kill philza's revival attempts plotline and leave that hanging? This made his efforts seem pointless and Wack like oh why didnt you just Say The Magic Words phil????
Niki
I feel really bad for niki. She hasnt been able to do a lore stream during tommy's 'death' (she tweeted she wanted to but her computer wasnt working) and considering her entire character.... that shit is important. We seen it with Jack Manifold how tommy's death impacted Him considering he literally wanted tommy dead. And since niki is in a similar boat to jack of trying to kill tommy and it being her Only goal...... thats extremely important.
BUT. i feel there wasnt any communication. Did she or anyone even know tommy would be revived? Did no one consider they could At Least let her do a single stream on it? Like jack manifold????
We couldve gotten a Really good niki lore stream. I genuinely was so excited for it and i dont regularly watch her. But we seen it with jack manifold which is why i dont feel he got screwed because mans genuinely did So Good he could pop off with anything n i think it works in His favour. But now........ for niki. Canonically she never even knew tommy was Dead. So its like nothing even happened for her. Is she just supposed to continue on trying to kill tommy with no progression?
What i think would work
This is more me being like 'hey @ the dsmp writers let me in' type speculation sbosegussgs. But i was thinkin on a Really easy way to 'fix' this without rewriting lore and the streams.
Dream should kill tommy again now that he's been revived and Leave Him Dead.
More development for the characters who are affected by his death Especially niki. More time for grief and self reflection and development
A chance for the audience to figure out what the 'afterlife' really is.
Dream is supposed to be smart and a master manipulator or something right? Why doesnt he use being able to revive tommy as a bargaining chip with sam for his own freedom?
The audience would now Know dream's intentions with tommy better, that this death isnt 'final', but we could still see other characters' grief and reactions and coping without it feeling cheap. Ive seen some 'but people dont know tommy is alive so hes still dead in their mind' but that sucks imo.
We'd know more on dream's ability to revive people and that he can just Do It on a whim (which i think sucks but hey im trying) but no one else would know this canonically
Okay. Im done. If you read this. Thankyou. I love you. Hmu.
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The Morning After - Liam x MC
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Continuation of “Ladies and Gentlemen The King Has Left The Building!” <---- you may want to have a ready of this before reading “the morning after”
Pairing: Liam x Riley 
Summary: … Its the morning after and riley decides to take advantage of the fact that Liam couldn’t remember the events from the night before...
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 The next morning Riley woke up to a weight lying ontop of her. She moaned and grumbled as she tried to move, but she couldn’t. “what the-” she mumbled as her eyes flickered open to see her husband lying ontop of her snoring away, both of them still fully dressed.
“Liam” she whispered trying to wake him without startling him “Liam!” she said louder causing him to groan and move slightly “Liam!” she raised her voice loud enough to wake up but not too loud to alert the guards outside.
“shhhhh Riley im sleeping” he groaned “get off’a me!” she chastised as she gently pushed him over, so he would move. He rolled over a little too far causing him to roll off the side of the bed, hitting the floor with a thud
“ouch! Riley!!” he groaned
“don’t you ouch Riley me!” she mumbled “I can’t feel half my body because you, Mr I’m going to drink a shit ton of alcohol and embarrass myself, fell asleep ontop of your wife after you got her all hot and bothered!”
“shhhh don’t shout” Liam mumbled quietly. Riley moved over to the side of the bed wondering why he hadn’t gotten back up yet, as she looked over she cursed under her breathe. There he lay falling back asleep. “LIAM!” she bellowed startling him awake!
“shhhh!!!!!” he grimaced as he covered his ears. “you’re so mean to me”
“that’s what you get for leaving me high and dry mister!”
“what?” he asked confused as he slowly sat himself up, leaning on the bed with his head leaning down on his arms “I don’t remember anything Riley, what happened?”
“what’s the last thing you remember?”
“um our conversation outside, just before we came back into the palace.”
“why are we still dressed? Didn’t we…y’know…?”
“no…no we did not “y’know”! I thought we were going to…the whole damn palace thought we were going to!”
“what?” he lifted his head
“oh yeah…you announced it to the whole damn party that I was trying to get into your pants and that you were going to bring me back to our room and…ohh let me see…what was it you called it?” she replied sarcastically “hmmm…oh yes that’s it…we were gonna play hide the sausage…and you were going to be parking the beef bus…in tuna town!” she yelled in a whisper. She watched as Liam's face reddened from embarrassment.
“i told the whole court?” he whispered in shock
“everyone that was still there!”
“oh my- how am I supposed to face them now!” he sighed
“oh…never mind the people of court…the poor waiter! You booped him!”
“I booped him?”
“right on his damn nose! THEN LAUGHED! REPEATEDLY!” she tried not to laugh but she couldn’t help it “poor damn waiter…his face was a picture though”
“Riley this isn’t funny…I’m a king for goodness sake!”
“yeah, a king who’s still sitting in his clothes from the party last night, sitting on the floor after falling off the bed, with a splitting headache!” she laughed
“riley…this isn’t funny” he smirked
“oh, my poor Liam…you think that’s bad you don’t know the worst of it!” riley laughed, she wanted to really get him back for leaving her high and dry, so she decided to mess with him a little bit.
“what?” he asked her seriously
“yeah…I’m not sure if I should tell you”
“Riley you gotta tell me…”
“are you sure you wanna know?”
“yes Riley! Yes, I want to know!”
“alright…well…you should probably avoid Bastian as much as you can”
“why? What did I do?” Liam answered seriously
“let’s just say your highness that you decided to play a little tonsil tennis last night and it wasn’t with me!” she was dying to laugh as she watched Liam's face go pale.
“what?” he gulped
“yeah…”
“how the hell am I supposed to avoid Bastian! Hes my damn security!! He follows me everywhere!”
“I don’t know maybe you should have thought of that before you went to first base with him” she chuckled
“Riley! This isn’t funny”
“I’m sorry I can’t help it…its hilarious!” she guffawed
“wait…why aren’t you hungover!” Liam asked knowing Riley had also been drinking
“because my lovely husband… I worked in a bar…I have mastered the talent of drinking without a hangover” she smirked
“you should really go shower, you have like thirty minutes before your first meeting with Francesco starts”
“oh no…how am I going to face him after last night?”
“I’m sure he won’t even remember, and if he does he’s not going to embarrass you Liam…you’re the king…he’ll probably act like he doesn’t have a clue what you’re talking about, just don’t bring it up”
“yes…but I know what happened Riley!...the things I said in front of him…in front of everyone” he groaned as he got up running his hands over his face and through his hair
“Liam you still have fake blood on your face…” realising he had just pulled it through his hair he groaned making his way over to the bathroom. Riley stood from the bed and made her way over to him, catching him just at the door.
“I didn’t get a morning kiss” she whispered shyly
“oh” he smiled softly, leaning down and placing his lips on hers.
“I’ll get you some breakfast to eat before your meeting” she smiled
“and som-”
“painkillers” she finished what he was going to say.
“yes…thank you” he placed a gently kiss on her head then headed into the bathroom to climb into the shower.
After a quick shower, the bathroom door opened and out walked Liam with a towel wrapped around his waist. Water droplets falling from his hair onto the small towel he had draped over his shoulders. Riley had just finished making his breakfast in the little kitchenette in the royal apartment, she walked into the bedroom, placing his plate of pancakes down on the small table with two painkillers and a glass of orange juice.
Liam stood in front of his dresser, drying his hair with the towel from his shoulders. riley headed over to the walk in closet to get some clothes for when she got out of the shower.
“Riley?” Liam called
“yeah?”
“can you come here for a second…”
Riley made her way out into the bedroom where Liam stood butt ass naked looking through his drawers.
“did you move my briefs?”
“Liam…why on earth would I do that?” she smirked
“because its you…” he smirked
“you want your panties you’re going to have to look for ‘em”
“Riley! For the millionth time they’re men’s briefs”
“what about…budgie smugglers?”
“Riley!”
“Banana Hammock?”
“no”
“Pickle pincher”
“Riley I swea-”
“MANTIES” she guffawed as she made her way back into the closet then walked out just a few seconds later with a black pair of men’s briefs
“you moved them yesterday” she smirked
“I did?”
“yes…before we had dinner?”
“yes that’s right I did!, sorry” he blushed
“its alright…now get your manties on before someone comes looking for you” she pinged his underwear at him then walked back into the closet laughing.
“you’re lucky I love you!” he called to her as he caught them.
“aww I love you too sweetie!” she chuckled
Once he was dressed Liam sat down to quickly eat his breakfast and take his painkillers whilst Riley went for a shower. After putting his plate on the counter in the kitchenette he went into the bathroom and slid the shower door open a little.
“ill see you later” he smiled
“see you later sweetie, I love you” Riley smiled as she placed a gently kiss on his lips careful not to get any water on him.
“I love you too” he replied with a smile before pulling the shower door shut then heading out for his meeting. Once he reached the door to the apartment Liam gripped the handle then let out a deep breath knowing Bastian would be outside the door. He opened the door with a smile on his face.
“good morning your majesty” Bastian greeted him with a curt nod
“yes good morning” Liam replied a little awkwardly, Liam stood not knowing what to say next.
“ummm…” he mumbled then cleared his throat “shall we?...” he gestured for them to head down the corridor.
“of course your Majesty…after you.”
“of course” Liam smiled slightly then started to make his way down to his meeting.
He had no idea if he should say anything about the night before or if he should just pretend it never happened…no he should say something…Bastian was his head of security but also a friend, he didn’t want it to be awkward between them.
“Bastian…I-I hope you will accept my apology for last night”
“no need your Majesty…”
“yes there is Bastian…”
“you were just enjoying the ball your Majesty nothing wrong with that…as a matter of fact…I quiet enjoyed the show” Bastian smirked
“you enjoyed it?”
“yes your Majesty…it was quiet entertaining”
“entertaining?” Liam whispered to himself
“don’t worry your Majesty…your secret is safe with me”
“no Bastian there is no secret, ive not got any secrets”
“what happens between two people stays between them” Bastian replied obviously talking about the kings behaviour last night, knowing that hardly any members of the court were actually still there, he wasn’t going to say a word to anyone about the kings kinky mind.
“yes…thank you?” Liam thanked him confused about the whole conversation.
Once they approached the door to his office, the two stopped outside.
“your Majesty…” Bastian pointed to his own lips trying to show the king that he had a little bit of his breakfast on his mouth. Liam's eyes widened, shocked as he took a step back
“Bastian! That is not appropriate!!” Liam exploded then turned and entered the room, closing the door behind him.
Liam spent the whole meeting stuck in his head, he couldn’t stop thinking about the conversation with Bastian…why on earth would Bastian think it was okay to do that? He knew he was married… The king rattled his brain trying to figure it out.
It was just twenty minutes into the meeting when Francesco grabbed the king’s attention.
“Your Majesty…if I may be forward…I wasn’t going to say anything but…it seems you have something on your mouth” Liam turned to see his reflection in the window beside him then he gasped “no…” he whispered as he removed the food, realising that Bastian had just been pointing out the food on his mouth.
“thank you Francesco” he nodded as his attention fell to the meeting. The meeting finished about forty minutes later, once Francesco had left the room Liam called Bastian in.
“your majesty”
“Bastian…I apologise…I shouldn’t have yelled earlier, I didn’t realise you were telling me I had something on my face”
“that’s quite alright”
“No Bastian it isn’t, you know I’ve been racking my brain all through that meeting about our conversation earlier…about last night…i was intoxicated…I should not have advanced on you the way that I did…it was unprofessional…”
“but your maje-”
“No Bastian I’m not finished, I am happily married…I have a wife…we are planning on having children…what happened last night was…out of character and I assure you it will never happen again”
“your Majesty I don’t recall you advancing on me”
“now Bastian…you don’t have to pretend because I am your king…I get it…you enjoyed it when I kissed you-”
“your Majesty! I assure you!-”
“Bastian, please, I was at fault, I shouldn’t have kissed you”
“I think you may have been a little more intoxicated than you think, your majesty…I assure you…you did not kiss me!”
“but Riley sa-” as soon as Liam realised what had happened, his face went bright red.
“god dammit Riley!…” he groaned
“Bastian…I’m sorry…could we continue this conversation on the way up to the apartment?”
“of course…after you.” Bastian smirked
As they headed up to the apartment Liam apologised to Bastian repeatedly, he explained to him what had happened, Bastian found it hilarious.
“wait so when I tried to tell you, you had something on your face-”
“yes…I thought you wanted a kiss” Liam chuckled as his face went red.
Once they reached the apartment, Bastian waited at the side of the door, whilst Liam walked in. Riley was sitting on the sofa, reading through some papers when Liam walked in. He stopped as soon as he seen her. When Riley heard the door open, she looked up to see him standing there with a smirk on his face.
“you!” he pointed at her.
“now Liam…” she said as she slowly got up from the sofa, putting the papers down on the table “just…take a deep breathe” she smirked then looked over towards the bedroom door.
“its not funny” Liam stated not moving a muscle
“I’m…just gonna go…” Riley bolted, jumping over the back of the sofa on her way towards the bedroom, with Liam hot on her tail…
“Riley rhys I swear to god…when I catch you!” he called running after her.
Liam chased Riley into the bedroom, laughing as they went.
“I cant believe you did that!” he smirked as he stood on one side of the bed and she stood on the other.
“I had some food from breakfast on my mouth before i went into the meeting, he tried to tell me by pointing to his lips…I THOUGHT HE WANTED A KISS!!!”
“I CAN’T…I’M GONNA GET A STITCH” Riley laughed hysterically.
“I can’t believe you did that” he laughed
“I had to…you couldn’t remember…of course I was going to get a little fun out of it.”
“you are so lucky I love you…no one else would get away with embarrassing a king like that” he smirked
“aww it’s because you love me so very much…”
“yes it is…but I think I owe you some payback” Liam slowly made his way around to Riley.
“come here sweetie” Liam smirked
“no…” she laughed
“awe c’mon…come here…” he laughed as he stepped closer to her
“Liam rhys…I am not stupid…”
“oh Riley…my sweet, sweet Riley”
Riley smirked as she stood with her back to the bed. Liam stepped closer to her, as he went to take one final step, Riley quickly climbed onto the bed, as she went to head for the door, Liam gently grabbed her feet. As she fell down on to the mattress laughing, she turned over to face him as he leaned himself over top of her, holding himself up.
“and what are you doing?” she smirked with one of her eyebrows raised and a smirk on her face.
“I’m just giving my wife what she deserves” he chuckled as he leaned down, pressing his lips against Riley's.
“why don't we get started on that family we talking about?“ liam whispered
“I would love that“
Just a short while later the two lay side by side under the duvet.
“and that…my dear husband…is all I wanted” Riley laughed as she cuddled into his chest.
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