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adorkastock · 2 months
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Hi! I was wondering if you had more sharable posts with references for drawing fat people. I managed to find two posts and then a few with a single photo of a fat model. It's very difficult to find representation of fat people in general, most of my attempts on this website feeling like an hour long treasure hunt, so I'd love to share more posts of yours with those reference photos if possible!
Sure thing! Here's a collection of refs. Also on DeviantArt, Patreon, and my site gallery you can search by model name and there's a guide on DA for who is who. (The site gallery will also let you sort by body type, this is kind of a WIP). My Tumblr is usually tagged with the model names too so if you don't want to endless scroll that might help narrow it down. I also use the fat model tag usually, too. If you aren't familiar yet with FatPhotoRef.com def check that out! @fugitiverabbit runs it and it's a fantastic resource for artists. Happy drawing!
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coffee-system-uwu · 1 year
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Reporter: Neil, witnesses saw you and Andrew kissing, can you confirm your relationship?
Neil:
Andrew, looking at the picture: That's not me.
Reporter: The picture isn't edited, the man in it is clearly wearing your jersey?
Andrew: Jersey? For what?
Neil: Wait, Andrew you play a sport?
Andrew: Why would I? Hockey is a waste of my time and energy.
Reporter: But.... its... it's you in the picture?
Andrew: Why the hell would I kiss some dumbass like Josten? Besides I have an identical twin.
Reporter:
Neil:
2 hours later
Aaron: Why the FUCK am I on the news?
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the-key-five · 9 days
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Tyrion's Seasons of Love ❀ Tyrion and Arya
In the original outline, Tyrion was supposed to fall in love with Arya. Obviously that didn't end up happening in the published series. However, Arya does have links to each of Tyrion's love interests. Arya's sister Sansa is forced to marry Tyrion in A Storm of Swords. She is close with the Sailor's Wife (theorized to be Tyrion's first wife Tysha) when she is Cat of the Canals. And in the Mercy chapter of The Winds of Winter Arya plays a version of Shae in The Bloody Hand.
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agentrouka-blog · 10 months
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Maybe I misunderstood but didn't his low born prostitute lover lie in court about him which could've gotten him killed? Not saying murder was the best route but he didn't just randomly do it /genq
She's a lowborn prostitute. Yes, she lied, but if Tyrion remotely tried to rub two braincells together he could easily guess that she was pressured and trying to make the best of a bad situation. See also Alayaya, or the fact that previously Tywin had threatened to hang Tyrion's next "whore". She knew the Lannisters were dangerous and she no longer had access to any of her money.
Could she freely say no to testifying?
Could she freely say no to Tywin?
None of these questions even register to him, really. She is an extension of his own needs, an extension of his relationship with Tywin even, almost from the beginning. An object.
Tyrion felt the need to avenge himself on a person who had no real options and was in the position to be used against him because time and again he had prioritized his ego and sexual needs over her safety or even any common sense.
No, he didn't murder her randomly. That doesn't make it less horrific.
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dwellordream · 9 months
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I think describing Shae as Tyrion’s call-girl or escort or girlfriend fails to take into account several factors:
A, no one asked Shae if she agreed to this arrangement. Bronn takes her (after a violent struggle) from the man she was with prior to Tyrion. Tyrion has Bronn warn her of is disability ahead of time, but Shae has no real option to back out gracefully from his demands.
B, Shae isn’t living an independent life of her own. She relies on Tyrion for housing, food, and social interaction. When she’s at his manse, she has no one to communicate with save the servants and him, when he does visit. That’s hours of isolation by herself, with nothing to do for amusement. She can’t read or write and she can’t visit friends or go shopping.
C, Tyrion is perfectly willing to physically harm Shae when she upsets him. While many fans will insist that he only hit her ‘once’ and that alone does not make the relationship abusive, Shae is a homeless teenager trapped in service to an extremely powerful nobleman. There is nowhere for her to go and should she reject Tyrion or attempt to leave, she knows he might beat or imprison her.
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fionacreates · 2 months
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Today’s sketches, a little fun with Green Bone Saga vibes. Shae and Hilo. Siblings you do not want to piss off…
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captmuldoon · 1 year
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never forgetting how game of thrones turned shae and sansa’s relationship into something that was founded on mutual recognition, respect, trust, love. “i love that girl.” “i trust her - even when she tells me not to.” from the smallest acts (shae trying to get sansa to eat when she is grieving her brother and mother) to acts that overcome all class and social barriers (sansa trying to get shae to hide with her in her chambers during the battle of blackwater). shae never dulled the truth and sansa - for once - could share her true thoughts and feelings with another. and then the writers literally erase any trace of that love from the narrative because tyrion has to be Good Sympathetic Guy and sansa absolutely cannot question shae’s fate or what became of the woman that tried so hard to protect her
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goodqueenaly · 4 months
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Shae had told her that this Ellaria worshiped some Lysene love goddess. “She was almost a whore when he found her, m’lady,” her maid confided, “and now she’s near a princess.”
To me, this short passage is a sad reflection on Shae and her relationship with Tyrion. Ellaria probably had at least a decent relationship with her father, Lord Uller, given her return there in TWOW with her youngest daughter and Arianne's assumption that Lord Harmen would be wroth at the imprisonment of Ellaria and her daughters; as an aristocrat’s daughter in a land generally less prejudiced against bastards, Ellaria likely grew up with a certain level of relative privilege. By contrast, Shae grew up not only on the bottom rung of the Westerosi social scale, as an impoverished commoner, but also sexually abused by her own father; Shae had decided to run away rather than suffer abuse at his hands, and certainly had no family home to return to if and when fortune turned against her later. Further, Shae may not have set out in life to be a sex worker, but as a female, lowborn, presumably unskilled, virtually orphaned, and homeless teenager, her options to sustain herself were very few; by contrast, whatever Ellaria may have envisioned as the path of her life while she was growing up (and again, that relative, aristocratically linked privilege would likely have provided her sufficient cushion against needing to worry about the future), her relationship with Oberyn certainly appears to have been mutually consensual and desired and based on attraction, rather than desperation on Ellaria's part to sustain herself. Although Ellaria was never formally Oberyn's wife, she occupied the position of de facto spouse, which Oberyn publicly acknowledged: Oberyn did not hesitate to introduce Ellaria as "mine own paramour" in the litany of Dornish aristocrats come to King's Landing with him, and affirmed to Tyrion that his and Ellaria's relationship was still romantically and sexually passionate, without any cooling on his part. By contrast, Tyrion increasingly diminished his relationship with Shae: hiding her away, stopping his payments to her, giving her more responsibilities as a maid, and secretly planning to marry her to a hedge knight with no fortune of his own. Small wonder, in turn, that Shae might have been jealous of Ellaria, and consequently eager to disparage her by comparison; Ellaria’s good fortune only highlighted how little Shae had or could rely on if anything happened to Tyrion.
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leslielumarie · 1 month
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#WIP i feel like i can never get her design down lol
im drawing this pic specifically for someone who said she makes them gayer so
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clytemnaestraes · 8 months
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Sansa stark as art
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richardsthirdnipple · 7 months
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NETTLES AND THE IDEA OF INNOCENCE
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Innocence, especially for women in asoiaf has a particular place in their perception.
Innocence in our world holds a very similar place.
When a character is innocent, you want better for them because any turmoil they go through is undeserved, and by the rules of both societies, it should allow them to be exalted from hardships.
So when it comes to such a small character like Nettles the idea of her innocence is perpetuated past the character we have because she is exalted from the concequence of what she is accused of in the narrative and is redeemed from all the hardship she faces towards the beginning when she claims a dragon.
But I don't think that's fair or correct so I want to go over some things we know and hear about her that people use to defend this idea of innocence and come to the conclusion that even though she is innocent it's not in the way typically attributed to her.
1. Nettles and Sheep:
Her relationship to this animal is a fun metaphor to understand her. Nettles trades sheep to gain her dragon Sheepstealer. Nettles trades innocence for power.
"Lambs have always been sacrificial animals. From the Ancient Greeks and Romans to Christians and even later civilizations, lambs were used for sacrifice to a higher purpose. In most cases, it was the sacrifice to Gods.These are the qualities that make lambs so symbolic. "
"They are a sign of innocence, purity, vulnerability, and sacrifice. Many of these symbols overlap with the symbolism of youth."
The idea of innocence is something that her taming Sheepstealer inherently corrupts. She slaughters sheep every day to get close enough to establish a bond to him. It's a continued effort to trade innocence for power, and because dragons make Targaryens closer to gods than men, the idea is that she's offering a sacrifice to a 'god' to gain power.
I'll link my post about this parallel she has to sheep further.
Another thing is that she's young, and that plays a part in what she is absolved from in the narrative because of the nativity and ability to grow with the potential of youth.
2. Nettles and The Cost of Power:
The regression of this trade for power comes after Driftmark is sacked and burned. In the war effort that Nettles largely contributed to, she loses her friend and her home. We are told her reaction to the loss is crying through the soot on her face so hard it leaves streaks. As with what happens consistently in mythology, the protagonist reaps benefits and consequences in the quest for power. The cost of gaining that power was fighting in the war, something she knew would happen. The fact that it came at the cost of her closest known relationship at the time as well as the place she grew up and had to leave behind to join the war effort is conceivable but not predictable for anyone to know. Especially not a 16 year old girl.
3. Nettles and King's Landing:
A while back, I drew attention to the fact that in the book, we have no real evidence that Nettles had any of the promises made to the Dragon Claimers kept to her. No marriages, lands, or knighthood equivalents are given to her in the wake of the fight. A lot of people use this as a way to say she's innocent because she believes in a cause and is sticking by it. That doesn't seem accurate towards the situation. King's Landing is the capital at that moment for punishing treason. She's a young, grieving girl, experiencing the price of power in a place where her refusal to fight or her running away will be met with a death warrant. Nettles has a nose scar for stealing allegedly. She's one of the characters we know understands the cost of disobedience in this world. She is a cost they'd be willing to pay. Even with her dragon adding to her necessity during the war, they're executing Noble men at that time. Nettles' entire life in juxtaposition to their's is incredibly small. Whether or not she cared about gaining anything (I like to think they gave her money), it's very clear that it's a weary time with major consequences for defiance or treason.
4. Nettles and Daemon:
This is the one people use this idea of innocence the most frequently for. "Nettles was innocent of the accusation made against her (sleeping with Daemon, not witchcraft), and Rhaenyra was influenced and turned against her."
Nettles doesn't need to be innocent for what Rhaenyra did to be wrong. The men who defend Nettles against the decree say that Nettles is wrong but young and shouldn't be killed for that. They conceded that the idea of treason is fair, but the idea surrounding it with the spell implications is simply incorrect and will make Daemon kill them if executed. Daemon is the sole person who puts her in danger and saves her in this narrative for his own character arc. Nettles isn't innocent, but she is young. She has her life ahead of her and has done everything that is expected of her. She isn't punished for love by the narrative. It saves her life and allows her to escape the trapping of power altogether, something she never returns to traditionally.
She does return to it with the burned men, but entirely away from the system, she originally gained that power from.
5. Nettles and Treason:
She did commit treason. That's not an innocent thing. It quite literally required her sleeping with a married prince. Whether or not she's a virgin (we'll get to it) in this world, giving into sex outside of marriage or prostitution as a woman is framed as wrong because of the value of virtue for women. With someone like Nettles, she'd know it's a bad thing and still proceeds with it. While as prince consort and a man Daemon will never dare a lick of concequence for adultery, Nettles would, and treason isn't a far stretch for the crime. Even with the understanding that Daemon would protect her, that they seemingly have, it's not okay. (It is to me. She's completely innocent.)
6. Nettles and Virginity:
Virtue is a currency in this world. Sleeping with a girl and deflowering is seen as a commodity and milestone. Virtue for women is posed as an added value. Without it, as we see in the books, women without maidenheads are seen as a lesser offer often beneath the standard of noble men.
Nettles is not ever positioned as a virgin. In this world, it's a logical conclusion to draw that she is not and would've traded sex for food or money. I'm not saying that happened, but if it did, there seems to be a stigma that it makes her lesser character in the story and / or denies her own autonomy by demeaning her. With the way it is presented in the narrative, it's a fair conclusion to draw. It's said to deter the idea that Daemon would sleep with her because she isn't even worth it, and that's my issue with the she should be virtuous reading.
It falls into the temptation of a character doing what she must to survive being a way to demean her. Nettles was surviving every day before the sowing. Her having sex, prostitution or just because she could, should not shroud her character in any world. Nettles can exist as both a critical view of how Westeros treats girls like her and as an autonomous character who chooses whether or not to have sex given her situation without it being demeaning or derogatory towards her as a character.
7. Nettles and Sex Work:
To add on, sex work is often demonized in this world, and because of the poor class of women often in these positions who are quite young and have no real alternative. Nettles as a character would exist in contradiction to the narrative of not only sex workers who die or are brutalized in that life, think book Shae, Show Roz. She'd also be the one who is actively saved by the class of people who often perpetuate this system of abuse they exist in.
Nettles isn't in it anymore or has once been preyed on by the entrapping cycle that brothels perpetuate but escapes and makes her own way. She's foul-mouthed and marred because of it, but she also becomes a dragonrider, and then when she has sex it's because she wants to.
When the narrative tries to condemn her for it, she's saved by the person who puts her in that position, unlike the other girls, like Tysha, Nettles' value isn't placed on her past sexual partners, and she is like the other girls who fall victim to the predatory sex work establishments in ASOIAF, but she escapes and isn't punished in the narrative for sleeping with someone or trying to survive in the first place. Something we don't really see in this world.
Overall,
The overarching angle of innocence pushed on her character is extremely strange and does not benefit her as a character. Innocence in this world is based on patriarchal feudalism that commodifies women into property and places value on them like stock that depreciates with superficial nonsense.
Question this world.
Nettles isn't innocent and shouldn’t have to be to deserve the ending she gets. She can just escape because she learns and grows and is young enough to do it without major consequences for her.
Nettles is innocent however, in the narrative of a poor, homeless girl with nothing, accomplishing a tremendous feat and gaining power from it, being used in wars and fights that have nothing to do with her and having the threat of death looming if she doesn't comply.
In being used as a means to an end in a conflict between the two most powerful people in the realm and escaping without any permanent concequence to her. She's not guilty.
Let girls have fun and be complex characters in their narratives. Innocence isn't a necessity, but even if it was for you to like her, she is, in a sense, innocent.
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maegorsbignaturals · 3 months
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One thinks that ASOIAF/GOT tiktok is not that dumb until you see a video of Tyrion's trial and all the comments are full of people shitting on Shae, don't understanding that her betrayal was not made out of resentment or pure interest. The woman was from the smallfolk, a prostitute that unlike other noble characters, had no place to run and nothing who could defend her. Tyrion (her employer) always had the upper hand and more power in their "relationship" despite his disability. He was a man of a great house with more money than Shae could ever Dream of. The only people that surpases him are Tywin, head of house Lannister and one of the men with most power on all the realm (After the king, but he was ruling the realm, so...). The woman literally had no option or even meants to fight or scape. She literally was at Tywin's mercy, and the least she could do to keeo herself save and well, was to literally do anything she was ordered. My god it is not that hard to understand like it is literally implied IN THE BOOKS
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coffee-system-uwu · 1 year
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Nobody is allowed to forget the fact that Andrew threatened to stab Kevin over Neil's vacation plans.
This boy wants nothing to do with the foxes but God dammit if his Neil wants to go play with his friends for a week and experience life like a normal person so help him god Kevin fucking Day will NOT be the person to stop it.
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chic-beyond-the-wall · 3 months
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What Shae would wear
(Steven Khalil)
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eonweheraldodemanwe · 2 months
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Neutral Heroes 3 artworks for ASOIAF TMG.
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jedimaesteryoda · 6 months
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Serra was Illyrio’s second wife, a sex slave from a pleasure house in Lys, and likely Aegon’s actual mother. She was a Blackfyre in the War of the Roses parallel of Margaret Beaufort, likely Daemon IV’s daughter sold into slavery after Maelys’s coup. 
Serra’s story sounds much similar to Daenerys’s: a young girl of Targaryen blood in Essos whose (proclaimed) royal father was deposed by a distant cousin, and then sold into marriage as part of a plan to take the Iron Throne. 
She did succeed in having a living son unlike Daenerys, but she never got to see him grow up as Illyrio states about her tragic death:
"A Braavosi trading galley called at Pentos on her way back from the Jade Sea. The Treasure carried cloves and saffron, jet and jade, scarlet samite, green silk … and the grey death. We slew her oarsmen as they came ashore and burned the ship at anchor, but the rats crept down the oars and paddled to the quay on cold stone feet. The plague took two thousand before it ran its course." Magister Illyrio closed the locket. "I keep her hands in my bedchamber. Her hands that were so soft …"
I think just as he doesn’t mention the actual details of her identity and the reason Illyrio married, he also may have been fibbing about her death. The best lies have bits of truth, the truth being the grey plague likely may have happened at the time. Note, he mentions that a plague came to Pentos, yet he doesn’t state that Serra herself got sick. 
At the end of the chapter, Tyrion sings a song by Symon Silvertongue threatening to reveal his secret about the sex worker who became his mistress, Shae. Shae herself (understandbly given her situation) betrayed him, and he would end up killing that very woman with the gold hands of the Hand's chain.
"A Braavosi trading galley called at Pentos on her way back from the Jade Sea. The Treasure
For she was his secret treasure
"I keep her hands in my bedchamber. Her hands that were so soft …"
For hands of gold are always cold, but a woman's hands are warm
Just where was the galley headed? As Illyrio said, it was on its way back to its home port of Braavos, a historical refuge for escaped slaves. 
Cutting off body parts with the tongues removed for little birds is part of Illyrio and Varys’s modus operandi, but it must be noted that the cutting off of one’s hands is the common punishment for thieves. What did Serra try to steal?
The thing of most value to Illyrio and Varys: Aegon.
While Illyrio and Varys were all in on the plan to crown Aegon, just what were Serra’s thoughts on it? The plan involved taking her young son from her for perhaps indefinitely to be raised by strangers to pursue the Iron Throne, a quest that has only resulted in death and disaster for her family.
Serra may have tried to run away with an infant Aegon to Braavos. Illyrio’s house slaves may even have helped her escape. Of course, Varys and Illyrio found out and stopped her, killing the crew on the ship. They would have been undoubtedly mad that she almost undid years of planning, and she likely threatened to reveal their secrets as a desperate last attempt. By that point, she had given birth to Aegon and fulfilled her part in the plan, so they didn’t need her anymore. 
They likely killed Serra, and Illyrio kept her hands as a memento. Serra was used a brood mare for her house's cause and when she tried to exercise some agency, she was murdered.
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