#sex and violence

[lilacpaperbird]

guys I know we have a mental breakdown over sex and violence twice a week but I just watched it again and. I still can't believe they shot and aired this. it's insane

#samdean #psychosis inducing samdean things #⚝ #canon samdean things #sex and violence

[thesweathouse]

"Morning."

#chase duffy #daniel blacquiere #sex and violence #gay

[mlobsters]

supernatural s4e14 sex and violence (w. cathryn humphris)

Yeah. You see, sirens can read minds. They see what you want most and then they can kinda, like, cloak themselves. You know, like an illusion.

#supernatural #spn 4x14 #sex and violence #mygifs #sam and dean #cathryn humphris #dean winchester #sam winchester #nick munroe #jim parrack #spngifs #how to feel about your brother #sam and dean mush #of a different sort #decided i want to paint this scene & went looking for gifs but came up empty after 5 minutes so clearly i should spend 3 hours making them #be the gifs you want to see in the world #shoutout to cathryn for getting this on the air #jim killed this episode i wish he'd had a bigger part. so good

[pentacentric]

Another thing that just adds to the madness of Sex and Violence is that Jim Parrack, who plays Nick, is the same height as Jared at 6' 4".

I mean, come on. Everything about this episode is so, so (deliciously) deliberate.

#tell me again about how this episode is about dean being bi or whatever #they knew exactly what they were doing #i can just imagine the look of glee on the casting director's face #i wonder if they even bothered considering shorter actors #supernatural #sam winchester #dean winchester #nick munroe #wincest #spn 4.14 #sex and violence

[muppet-facts]

Muppet Fact #974

In order to solidify the idea that the Muppets could be adult entertainment, rather than having puppetry being pigeonholed as an entertainment medium for children, the advertisements sent to friends and press outlets for The Muppet Show: Sex and Violence matched the attitude of the title. An illustrated ad primarily featuring Dr. Teeth and Janice exclaimed, "Jim Henson and The Infamous Dr. Teeth invite you to join George Washington, The San Francisco Earthquake, The Seven Deadly Sins and a host of others for an evening of nonsense on The Muppet Show, Wed. March 19, ABC TV." A TV Guide ad also stated the show would be entertaining to adults and children, highlighting the importance of the adult audience for the puppetry medium.

Sources:

The Muppet Show: Sex and Violence postcard advertisement. 1974. (Pictured above)

The Times (Munster, Indiana) TV Time-Line. December 29, 1974.

Nevada TV Guide. March 15, 1975. (Pictured above).

#muppet facts oc #jim henson #the muppets #muppets #muppet facts #fun facts #sex and violence #the muppet show: sex and violence #advertising

[shinelikethunder]

#any self-respecting fic author would've tagged it with both but a network tv show in 2009 would be sweating BULLETS #the & in the episode title is also a slash btw. in spirit. sex and violence ARE siblings and they ARE kissing with tongue in this ep. #supernatural #sex and violence #spn s4 #wincest #gencest

[dean-winchesters-panties]

We need to talk about Sex And Violence (4x14)

In an interview with Jim Parrack(Nick��s actor), he talks about the way the siren controlled the boys and says this:

“…I thought he should be ambiguously sexual. As the FBI agent, he was a guy’s guy, but this creature wasn’t a guy or girl. I tried to find something in between and enjoyed having control over these boys in a sexual way…”

He outright describes his control of the boys as sexual. In the scene in the car with Nick & Dean, he convinces Dean to kill sam so they can be brothers. Theres a sinister but sensual tone throughout that scene that is intensified as it transitions to the hotel.

“…I gave him what he needed. And it wasn’t some bitch in a G-string. It was you…”

There was something very evocative when I first heard this line. I think that it says a lot that a siren, a creature that reads minds and embodies peoples greatest desires, found that what dean desired most wasn’t a beautiful woman, but his brother. Sam is what he desires most.

#i would love to hear other peoples thoughts and interpretations of this episdoe #dean winchester #sam winchester #supernatural #spn #samdean #weirdcest #gencest #wincest #sam and dean #sam x dean #dean x sam #4x14 #spn 4x14 #supernatural spoilers #spn spoilers #sex and violence

[rewatching-sam-and-dean]

My Commentary on Rob and Rich Reviewing (4x14) Sex and Violence

I was listening to the latest Supernatural Then and Now Podcast (The Siren Episode) and I had to stop it after the Rob and Rich review to write down my thoughts because it annoyed me so much.

The guys both thought the episode was okay, but a bunch of things “bumped” for them. This is fine, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion about an episode, but some of the things that “bumped” for them “bump” for me.

My thoughts under the cut …

Bump # 1 - The Siren turning out to be a man

So, both Rs had an issue with the siren being a man since the lore showed them as women, and I think, because in real mythology they are women. Though they conceded that the a male siren could be a thing too, it seemed to really bother them that the siren ended up not being about a sexual connection with the brothers (though Rich saw the flask sharing scene as flirtatious … because no guys have ever shared a flask, including, Dean and Bobby).

I’m sorry, but the siren targeting the brothers, and using a version of an ideal brother to get to Dean isn’t a plot hole or a “stretch” or something, it’s an interesting choice and it’s exactly the point of the episode. While many men are vulnerable to a pretty woman who is into them, Dean just wants Sam. He wants his relationship with Sam to be better. In particular, he’s so worried about Sam and insecure in their bond that he wants a Sam who likes what he likes but, more importantly, one who listens to him and doesn’t hide things from him. And I know I’ve written about this before on a previous post, but Dean doesn’t NEED the siren to be a hot girl; he can find one of those easily. He needs a Sam he can trust. That’s the whole point. The show is drawing the comparison between sexual intimacy/romantic companionship (usually one of the most desired things in literature/media) to the brothers relationship to show how much brotherhood matters to Dean in particular (in this case).

The way the male siren actor portrays its interest in the brothers, to me, is very much like it’s intrigued and excited that it found a high even better than the sexual desire that it usually feeds off of. When the siren feels how desperate Dean is for the bond with Sam to be fixed, it finds him more interesting than it’s usual target. Dean’s longing for Sam (not sexual) is even stronger than the sexual desire or romantic companionship that the siren usually feeds off of, so much so that the siren changes its entire MO to go after the brothers.

Bump # 2 - The Doctor sleeping with Sam (when she isn’t the siren) is weird

So, the Rs disagreed on the “bumpiness” of this one. Rob thought it was weird that the doctor would just decide to sleep with Sam (at work), while it didn’t bother Rich because … Jared Padalecki. Sound argument (in this case), Rich.

Still, the doctor is a little unusual, and her behaviour is clearly intended to be a misdirect, but the show does a good enough job of suggesting she had a bad breakup (or worse) and is now just sort of living in the moment, so her behaviour doesn’t bother me. Also, Sam is hot.

What is stranger than the doctor’s behaviour, for the audience who knows him, is Sam having sex with her I that moment. Not only that, but Sam is very chill when she’s hitting on him, where in the past, Sam has often been a little shy or awkward with women that he’s been attracted to or interested in. So no, this is not Sam’s usual MO to sleep with the doctor, especially when we know he and Ruby are or were also sleeping together. Sam is not acting entirely like his usual self. And he hasn’t been acting entirely like himself for a while now.

Bump # 3 - The Siren telling the boys to fight each other and saying the winner can “be with” him

I don’t know why they had an issue with this. The siren literally explains that it loves the rush of having people willing to do anything for it, even kill people they love. What the siren tells the brothers doesn’t matter because it’s not like it’s really planning to have a relationship with the brother who wins the fight. And the boys are already infected at this point, so it’s just giving them incentive to fight. It’s not sticky about the sexual-ness of people’s need for the siren, it’s about the desperation they have to be with it (in whatever way).

Bump #4 - Sam dismissing the Doctor after sleeping with her.

The guys were both bothered by Sam not bothering to say goodbye to the doctor, and they mentioned that it seemed sort of old-school (womanizing?). Rob said that Sam dismissing her was more like something Dean would do than Sam. I know that I already said this, but this is the whole point. Sam hasn’t been acting like his old self. This isn’t an accidental writing mistake, where the writer accidentally wrote Sam more like Dean. Sam is different now.

It also isn’t like Sam to call Dean weak, or ridicule him for being messed up from his experience in hell. Season 2 Sam would never, and Season 3 Sam wouldn’t either. Season 4 Sam has changed from the trauma of losing Dean, drinking demon blood, and having Ruby in his ear.

Also, to play devils advocate on myself, Sam has actually left towns before without saying goodbye to the girl he had a connection with, maybe not after sleeping with her, but it’s not wholly out of character for him to leave without saying goodbye (I’m not criticizing him for this). Also, I really don’t think that doctor was looking for anything more from Sam beyond hooking up in her office, so this doesn’t bother me much.

Final thoughts

Anyway, I’m not arguing that everyone has to love every episode, or even like all the ones that I do. I’m not even arguing that people need to like Sex and Violence because it really can be a little uncomfortable, and there is a bit of a sexual undercurrent to it all, even though that’s not the sirens intention with the brother. That’s also not exactly new on Supernatural. However, it’s weird to me that so many of the things that “bumped” for Rob and Rich seem to me like very deliberate choices by the writers, not careless mistakes or pointlessly out of character. This episode reveals a lot about where Sam and Dean are at this point in the season, both individually and in their relationship.

Granted, I have the benefit of watching the episode and knowing where it’s all leading, but this is what sort of bothers me about hearing people discuss the show who are doing it for a purpose and are probably only half-invested in the story. They miss things that seem like they should be really clear. Also, it’s funny when they find things uncomfortably sexual in relation to Sam and Dean (they didn’t outright say that, but I think it was implied in what they said) and act like it’s a surprise or out of place. Again, this isn’t new. They obviously listened to too many hellers if they didn’t realize that Sam and Dean are weirdly close at times or that the show makes some pretty blatant parallels between them and couples or makes quasi-incestuous connections between Sam and Dean.

I have nothing else to add here. This was mostly just a rant, but feel free to add your two cents if you made it this far.

#supernatural #my thoughts #Rob and Rich critical #mildly #Sex and Violence #SPN Then and Now

[cam-ulu29]

I hear one more motherfucker say “hiS sIReN wAs A dUDe he’s so bi” im finna come outta this screen and whop you in the head so hard you fly into an alternate dimension where nobody has to hear your stupid ass opinions listen it was either a dude because he wanted a brother more than a lover or because he wanted a brother for a lover. If it’s romantic, it’s Sam, if it’s platonic, it’s Sam, lemme it say it one more time for you fools the siren tempted him with a ‘better version of his brother’ so if you say that means he’s Bi he’s a brotherfucker siren=Destiel? man I’d hate to see your math homework so let me give you multiple choice instead GENcest or WINcest?

#sex and violence #sam winchester #dean winchester #wincest #anti destiel #anti destihellers #anti cockles #j2 #supernatural #spn 4x14 #anti bi Dean #gencest #cmon I swear y’all ain’t watched the show the way y’all be claiming subtext #if subtext meant anything boy oh boy the kinky shit sam and dean get up to #anti hellers

[psychicsamlover]

what I really love about sex and violence ep is that the siren curse can be interpreted in different ways and it will still make sense.

like in canon, I think it was mostly platonic (but still weird and we love that). dean wanted more than anything to get his relationship back to normal with sam. he wanted sam to be his little brother again. so their platonic brotherly love surpasses any sexual/romantic/erotic desire or attraction because it is the most important thing to them.

at the same time, it fits perfectly into the wincest context - dean is most attracted to sam, and sam is most attracted to dean. "It wasn't some bitch in a g-string. It was you".

#sex and violence #samdean #wincest #sam winchester #dean winchester #weirdcest #s4 #spn #classic spn #kripke era #codependent brothers #erotically codependent

[todayinhiphophistory]

Today in Hip Hop History:

Boogie Down Productions released their final album Sex And Violence February 25, 1992

#today in hip hop history #todayinhiphophistory #hiphop #hip-hop #hip hop #music #history #rap #hip hop music #hip hop history #hip hop culture #music history #boogie down productions #bdp #sex and violence #album #emcee #mc #rapper #krs one #krs-one #1992 #92

[panicroomsammy]

Supernatural is evidence that you can convince anyone anything is normal if you just act like it is because they literally said Sam and Dean are in love with each other as if that wasn’t an insane thing to do so no one noticed just how unhinged that is

#spn liveblog #s4e14 #sex and violence #wincest

[jimhenson-themuppetmaster]

Enjoy the Show

#the muppets #gif #sex and violence #pilot

[plaguemaggot]

my personal opinion is that it's impossible to "misinterpret" SPN canon because SPN canon is 13 different canons in a trench coat, 8 out of them actively hate each other, 3 of them are only present in interviews and bts content, 5 of them only share one brain cell and at least 4 have been tulpa'd into existence by popular (fandom) culture

#seriously i can read the most wincest take on any given episode #nod along to it like yeah makes sense #and then i read the most destiel take on the exact same scenes #and i'm like hm yeah makes sense too #you don't get over 300 episodes with varying show runners and screenwriters that are engaged #in contradicting canon from 2 episodes ago for nothing #everything and nothing makes sense in spn #like think red meat #sex and violence #the chitters #hell think cas' fucking confession scene

[nancylou444]

The thing with dean's siren that always gets me is that the whole representing a brother thing isnt some like subtext or a hint its outright stated

🤣🤣 exactly, my darling.

After all these years, I truly believe that hellers watched the episodes with the volume muted.

Otherwise how do they miss:

and

and

#anonymous #sex and violence #all about #wincest

[arcanespillo]

"Sex And Violence"

SPN S4E14

#Sex And Violence #SPN S4E14 #spn #supernatural #sam winchester #spn screencaps #jensen ackles #dean winchester #jared padalecki #screencaps