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We have done better. We are better.
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a-dogpgh · 10 days
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Science vs Religion as as distraction from nuance
science and religion do not preclude one another, we can do our best to measure what we can observe but we cannot know the true nature of the world.
Either side using their position to have a sense of superiority over the other is harmful. Both are institutional powers that have control and real effects on our life, sure, science could be objective in theory but in practice it's man making decisions of what to research, what to value, it's often way messier than that, or at worst weaponized to assert people's own inherent merit. It's highly meritocratic which is at odds with the objective-ness of it: if it were objective, it'd be highly collaborative and not about the ego and immortalization of being the person making the big discovery.
The same person who killed pluto claims we have a ninth planet we have yet to observe, the same guy who said "light works how we know it to and I made a study repeating this I am very smart" says "we can accurately predict who can make nobel prize material based off how often they're cited, and as such we should use this to determine who to permit into programs despite the fact that popular science by big names will always get cited more often than smaller studies that may actually say something meaningful" (yes this is as racist and self-serving as it sounds).
There's so much unethical practices in both, go look at the comment sections of a video by Dr. Fatima, watch her videos, tbh, because if there's one thing we need more of in science is people listening to the experiences of marginalized people in those communities. Granted yes, I'm guilty of centering one person's examples that match my own view of the world, I will admit I'm biased, but I'm biased on the side that looks to acknowledge the faults of the world so we can make something better.
I seriously cannot recommend her content enough, while she doesn't talk much about faith, she does break down the idea of scientific objectivity and other issues that cloud the field of science, and it's been so enlightening to watch.
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Sources: Dr. Fatima, lived experience, tired of people fucking arguing about shit that only serves to create greater divides between people, i made it up, it came to me in a dream once, etc. (If I had done real research and not just apply my collective learning online I'd cite shit but for now you get this all because I am a garbage fuck.)
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habiba-apple-aphid · 2 months
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devotionalrealm · 6 months
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druid-in-hiding · 10 months
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"Religion and science are in reality just talking about different things."
Um. No.
There's a nuance there. Science claims that only through the scientific method can truth be verified, whereupon animist observation of the world indicated that there was more than one way to observe the world. There was direct replicable experience (currently known as the scientific method), complex holistic emergent systems (sort of covered by chaos mathematics and quantum physics) and stuff that is simply unknowable.
The issue I have with the quote "can't verify anything in religion" is that, in the animist perspective, you absolutely can and should verify things. This allows you to ferret out perspectives that are dangerous or life-defying.
By laboring under the delusion that religion can't be verified, you open the door to horrors. Let's take an example.
Taoism is an animist mindset which is an attempt to fold worldview that onto a civilized mindet. So, it is localized observations (replicable, holistic, and unknowable) sourced into a framework that might allow it to be generic enough to put into novel situations (like different cities and/or empires) with all the messiness that implies.
Buddhism is philosophers looking at Taoists and going "there is a mental/physical/emotional state the self and others experience as 'enlightenment'. How can we make this state replicable to anyone who is willing to put in the work?"
That gives someone an ability to judge both the lineage and potential results of those religious pathways. What should our expectations be of practicing Buddhism? You can answer this.
Now, let's take another path. Southern Baptists. The origin of their faith is Judaism, an animist adaptation to being uprooted from their home and enslaved, later returning home to continue their oldest traditions. It is applicable to those tribes being taken away from their "world" (world being defined as your culture from its beginning to now) and successfully maintaining their cultural identity to return home.
Saul of Tarsus, the inventor of Christianity, came from a Roman background, which is, in its nature, appropriative and imperialistic. It's sole interest lay in Roman hegemony over the world. Saul was born during the Pax Romana but also was up and aware when Caligula was in power. Stealing the idea of a christ/savior and the technology a culture invented to sustain himself, he re-adapted the Roman habit of collecting gods under different names into putting gods under one name.
So, instead of a religion which was "survive until we get home. The universe loves us and it will get us home", Christianity became "We have all the keys to the truth. Bow down or go to hell".
Martin Luther king shook up Saul's Church with his "You guys are Hypocrites" speech but all his revolution did was shift "The Power is the Pope" to "The Power is some other guys over here." This was a powerful tool to give to a bunch of people who came to America wanting a new life. What better to motivate them towards genocide?
And thus you have the Southern Baptist Church, a thinly veiled excuse to go after any non-white or "sinners" in the name of the Lord, a Lord which I can genuinely say from reading the old texts, would resoundingly condemn their behavior as flat-out evil.
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gamer2002 · 1 year
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Free will is a religious concept. I mean, it’s nothing new, everyone who believes in any form of spirituality will tell you that the real you isn’t your material body. 
Physics and science conclude that you just respond to stimuli. And the new scientific definition of having freedom is having a wider range of responses to stimuli than a dead rock.
And do you know where else you can keep your “freedom” of having lots of responses to stimuli? In prison. 
This is why I refuse to be an atheist. Because I can see what is the conclusion of denying that the fellow man is a Son of God.
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thelegendarywriter · 1 year
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Hacker Prompt
Classic keyboard and mouse, analog controllers. None of these devices are used as hacking tools. These days, if you're a target, hackers will get to you through a virtual reality interface.
The firewall? Astral bodies that must fight off the hackers for 10 minutes for their hack to fail. It's a battle of science vs. spirituality.
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princessclai · 1 year
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Nostradamus said
Flosstradamus said
Flasstradamus
Noasstradamus
don't panic like in 2012 OBAMA
another accident said
crises averted
ugh wtf did nonexistence exist me Stephen Hawking
ugh Einstein I'll never understand
ugh marie curie why aren't u a martian
ugh chem set green ugh ugh ugh
area 51 myth
alien myth
free will lost myth
happy holidays
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blackswaneuroparedux · 10 months
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The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you.
- Werner Heisenberg, physicist (not the crystal meth chemist king pin)
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bulkhummus · 2 years
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ok my funny thought is if joseph fink is stuck IN night vale, and hes currently WRITING the podcast…. he is technically the one creating the story in show.. like all i can think about is joseph fink being the reason why john peters kept interrupting cecils show to further a plot — like “no no, no talking abt the comet we’re gonna focus on the snake god plot today back space back space back space” even tho cecil has always ‘written’ the narrative so to speak
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"We would be 1,500 years ahead if it hadn't been for the church dragging science back by its coattails and burning our best minds at the stake." -- Catherine Fahringer, FFRF
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cosmiccarabao · 2 months
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techniche · 7 months
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The Science Cult: Cosmology, Ethics, Legitimation
Science has become an ideological toolkit for acclimatising people to their own subordination and bring about the un-free, mind-controlled societies of the coming brown age. It fulfills the functions of religion and, like all religions, began in a spirit of inquiry into the cosmos only to evolve into a massive dogma taught as truth.
First, science™ provides an explanation of the universe and humanity's role in it. Second, it dictates how people ought to think and act, under the threat of apocalypse (eg. "climate change™", pandemic etc). Third, it identifies global problems that legitimise the existence of global elites who claim to be solving those problems through ever more intrusive controls over people's lives (eg. carbon taxes, mandates etc)
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fffartonceaweek · 2 years
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Q: Atheists … what if you die and you find out it is all real? God, the Bible, Jesus, death on a cross, resurrection … all of it. What then? ... ...                    A: Rip God's throat out with my teeth and drink his spinal fluid.
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mudstoneabyss · 2 years
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Carlos and Charles dislike of each other influenced by Charles hearing Kevin talk about Carlos leaving him after 10yrs with nothing but a letter and conceptualizing him as Kevin's shitty ex, and Carlos finding about Charles and being weirdly upset by his existence and place and only kind of seeing him as himself if he chose different....
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keithanime · 7 months
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Religion And Goal Posts
I find it amusing and sometimes even frustrating how religion has a tendency to move the goal post whenever it comes to explaining something to us. Like nature, for example.
Religion: You hear that sound? That's thunder! Thunder occurs when god strikes his hammer... Science: Actually, we found out that the sound of thunder is caused by the lightning... Religion: Oh yeah? Well, do you know what causes lightning? It is when god... Science: Actually, we learned that lightning is created when the negatively charged tiny particles of ice... Religion: Oh yeah? Well, do you know where those ice come from and who created those ice? It is god, when he... Science: Actually, we discovered that the ice is formed when the warm moisture... Religion: Oh yeah? Well, do you know...
And it goes on and on and on... If you're familiar with the "god of the gaps" then you probably know what I mean. As long as science doesn't have an answer [for/to something], religion's answer is and will always be god: it's because god did it, it's because god created it, god made it happen, etc.
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