how would you write a Jaune X Wonder woman story where they are dating pre beacon
Pre-Beacon? I’m going to do a Atlas Arc instead, I’ve got a tantalizing idea for that one~!
Lovers, and Fighters
It was just another day down in the depths of, Mantle for the Huntress trainee. It was one of, Diana’s few days off, and she wanted to spend some time at her favourite café eating some cake. Most, Hunter’s spent their time up in, Atlas enjoying the cafés there. But, Diana found them to lack a certain warmth, and charm to them. So, here she was, on her way to enjoy a slice of cake.
That is if it wasn’t for another one of, Atlas’s typical fuck ups: A Grimm attack.
A Grimm attack was not really, Atlas’s fault. No no no, the Grimm will attack them, it is their nature to do so. But, not fixing the bloody wall to prevent said attacks from happening was entirely, Atlas’s fault.
Oh well, she may not have her weapons, but she could certainly punch a simple Sabyr into oblivion. At least she thought she would have if some bumbling buffoon didn’t shove her away, and steal her kill!
: Don’t worry! I’ve got you!
Diana: The hell?!
She was abruptly shoved to the side as some guy in white armour came through, and slashed the Grimm into pieces. Making quick work out of the rampaging, Sabyr’s. He looked around for a moment searching for anymore hostiles, before he sheathed his sword, and offered, Diana a hand up.
: Sorry about that; I hope I didn’t hurt you pushing you aside like that.
The blond offered her his hand that she quickly batted it away as she stood up by herself with a scowl across her face.
Diana: I could have handled it myself! I’m a Huntress in training. I don’t need some literal white knight to come, and save me!
: Oh, sorry. You were just standing there, I thought you were in shock that you were being charged by some, Grimm.
Diana: Well, I may not have my weapons, but I could easily punch a Grimm into dust, just like I was about to!
: Really? You didn’t adopt a fighting stance, were you really going to punch it? Again, you were just standing there.
Diana: Well maybe I would have if someone didn’t interrupt me!
: Okay, okay, I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to mess things up for you. You look like you were in trouble, so I stepped in to help. That’s it.
Diana: Pff… Yeah right… Who even are you that makes you think you can go galavanting around waving your sword like that?
: I’m a Huntsman, see?
Diana: Jaune Arc… Registered by, Atlas Academy… Eighteen?! No way in hell are you a Huntsman!
Jaune: I am, my ID says so.
Diana: By, Hera there is no way you’re a real, Huntsman!
Jaune: W-Was that you cursing?
Diana: I’m eighteen years old; how the hell did you become a licensed Huntsman, while I’m still a bloody student?!
Jaune: Been around the world, fought some nasty, Grimm. That’s pretty much it.
Diana: Bullshit you’re not a Huntsman!
Jaune: I am, I literally just showed you the proof.
Diana: I seriously doubt some kid like you is a Huntsman.
Jaune: And, I can’t imagine a brat like you is a Huntress. Oh wait, excuse me I spoke wrong; A huntress-in-training!
Diana: You better watch it bud.
Jaune: I am watching it, and I am not impressed with what I’m seeing.
Diana: You’re gonna be impressed when I leave a crater in the wall with your face!
Jaune: Ha! I’ve taken a hit by Titan Class Atlas Mech, and I just shrugged that off. The hell makes you think anything you could do that could actually hurt me?
Diana: You’d be surprised on what I could do to you.
Jaune: Surprise me th…
(Beep, beep!)
Jaune: Hmm… Fraid I have to go. I have official Huntsman work to do. See you around, bitch.
Diana: Oh you’re dead you asshole! You here me! Dead!
~~~
Winter: All right then, Team DBKZ, are you ready?
Barbra: I’ve been ready for this all day!
Kara: I can’t believe we’re going to face off against some real, Hunters! This going to be so cool!
Zatanna: I hope we can put on a good fight, we may be good, but are we really ready for center stage?
Diana: Relax, Z. We’ve got this. Team DBKZ can handle anything, right team?
Kara: Lets bash their heads in!
Barbra: Yeah! Lets get this show on the road!
Zatanna: Okay, lets do this.
Diana: That’s more like it, lets do this!
Winter: Well, Team spirit aside, here are your opponents, or at least most of them?
Ren: Sorry we’re late. It took us longer then expected to finish our mission reports.
Nora: That’s because they’re so boring!
Ren: But, they need to be filled out.
Nora: Still boring.
Winter: Mr. Ren, where is your team leader?
Ren: He should be here in a moment, he had to deal with a, Grimm attack while on his patrol, so he needed to do more paper work.
Winter: Understandable. In the meantime, meet your opponents, Team JNR, may I present to you, Team DBKZ. Would you like to introduce yourselves?
Diana: No problem. Hi there, my name is, Diana Prince, and I lead this team of super gals.
Nora: Are you some sort of, Amazonian?
Diana: Yeah, is that a problem?
Nora: Possibly…
Diana: Okay…?
Barbra: My name is, Barbra Gordon; Pleased to meet you.
Ren: Pleasure to meet you. My, name is Lie Ren, and my friend here is named, Nora Valkyrie.
Nora: Hello~!
Kara: Hi, my name is, Kara Danvers; It’s a pleasure to meet you!
Nora: You look like one of, Fearless Leaders sisters.
Kara: Oh… Thank you?
Zatanna: And, my name is, Zatanna Zatara. Pleased to meet you.
Nora: Are you a magician?
Zatanna: Yes I am. Perhaps you can come to one of my shows later.
Nora: Awesome! Hey, have you ever pulled a bunny out of a hat before?
Zatanna: A few times.
Nora: Have you ever pulled out a rabbit eared faunas before?
Zatanna: N-No…
Nora: Fearless Leader did! It was awesome!
Zatanna: H-He did?
Ren: He did. Although the faunas in question didn’t like it.
Zatanna: Why not?
Ren: I speculate it was because she didn’t like having her ears pulled.
Kara: I’d buy that. They’re really sensitive.
Ren: He didn’t mean to mind you, it just… happened.
Barbra: Yeah, I can see several reasons why she would be upset with him.
Ren: Yeah, but…
Jaune: Hey guys! Sorry I’m late, I had a lot of… Oh, it’s you again…
Diana: Wait, this is the, Hunter team you’re making us fight against?!
Winter: Yes. Is there a problem with that, Miss Prince?
Diana: Yes. It’s got him in it!
Barbra: I’ve take it you two have met before?
Jaune: Regrettably so…
Diana: Shut it!
Jaune: Make me bitch.
Nora: Whoa! Jaune-Jaune just swore! He must hate her.
Zatanna: Seriously? Just like that, you know he hates her?
Nora: Jaune drinks his respect woman juice daily!
Zatanna: …
Kara: Weird one ain’t she…?
Barbra: Yeah…
Jaune: Winter, may I have a one on one bout with this little girl? Someone needs to teach her some manners.
Diana: Pff! Like you could place so much as a scratch on me!
Winter: Hmm… I’ll allow it.
Jaune: Ha! Get ready, Princes, you won’t see what’s coming for ya!
Diana: Oh bring it you arrogant prick!
Barbra: Uhh… Is this really such a good idea, Specialist Schnee?
Winter: The whole point of this duel was meant to be a humbling. More so for your team leader than the rest of you. So it works out in the end. Besides, Mr. Arc is not the kind of person to challenge others to a duel, I am quite interested to see what he will do.
Barbra: Oh… Okay then.
Nora: Go! Go! Go! Jaune! Show ‘em who’s boss! Show ‘em who’s boss! Break her legs! Break her legs! JNPR PRIDE! YEAHHHH!!!
Kara: Uhh… Where the hell did she get the pompoms, and the cheerleader outfit?
Zatanna: Wait what?! She wasn’t dressed like that a minute ago?!
Ren: Best not dwell on it; Such a path only leads to madness…
Barbra: Okay…
Winter: Lets begin the fight shall we?
~~~
The duo stepped into the training ground, the pair brandishing their swords, and shields as they sized ip their opponents.
Diana: You ready to taste dirt!
Jaune: I’d ask you for a dance, but I doubt you could keep up with me.
Diana: Oh, I’m one hell of a dancer buddy.
Jaune: Prove it.
Winter: …
Winter: You will fight until either one of you surrenders, your auras are knock into the red, or if I says so. Understood?
JD: Understood.
Winter: Good. The match will begin in, 3… 2… BEGIN!
At the klaxons horn the duo charged one another, blades held high as they collided in a fury of steel. Sparks, flew through the air, as the blades sang as they met. They held each other at an even space as they fought, giving no ground, or showing no weakness to their foes. Or, so those who watched from afar thought.
Jaune gripped the blade in his hands, and with the force of a sledgehammer smashed the pommel of his blade on, Dianna’s shield, denting it on impact. A cry of pain escaped, Diana’s lip, as the dent point of metal dug into her arm making it dig into her arm with every strike against it.
Diana thrust out with her sword, catching, Jaune’s shoulder, causing him to break his attack against her as she charged him, bashing her shield against his using her superior strength to send him flying.
Jaune landed in a roll, using this to quickly bring himself to his knees as he blocked, Diana’s overhead swing with her sword that came crashing down upon him.
Jaune barely batted an eye as he was knocked over. The girl could hit him like a truck, but she hit like he ran into a parked truck, his friends would, could send him flying like a golf ball. This, this was simply child’s play compared to that.
Jaune pushed, Diana off of him, giving him the space he needed to slash wildly at her. At least, that’s what she thought he was doing. But, as a golden wave came crashing into her that sent her flying back, she understood what truly happened.
He had sent a wave of raw aura towards her. He encased his blade in aura, and let it go like a ranged weapon that knocked her off her feet. This was a technique she knew only those would vast aura reserves would dare try because of how draining it was. She knew he only did this to gain some space he wasn’t going to use such a drastic measure against her again.
Or, so she thought…
Arcs of pure aura were sent towards her, causing her to dart back in forth as the path of his attacks tore up the floor before exploding at they reached their zenith. Her sword was sent flying from her hands as she tried to deflect one of these blasts. And, just before another one could hit her, she flung her shield like a discus at it, causing it to explode before it hit her. But, a interesting sight appeared before, Jaune. From the cloud of smoke, darting towards him like a hummingbird came a one, Dianna Prince. And, she was flying.
Jaune: The hell? OPHH!
She flew threw the air, slashing her sword into his chest, sending him flying once more as he landed on the ground in another roll. He brought himself to his feet as he saw, Diana hover in the air before him, preparing looking down on him with a cocky smirk.
Jaune: You can fly?! Gods… Semblances can be such bullshit…
Diana smirked egotistically as she charged him, no doubt expecting an easy win as she swung her sword at, Jaune. However, there was many reasons, Specialist Schnee wanted, Diana Prince to fight, Jaune Arc. Chief among those reasons was that, Jaune Arc was a strategist, who’s plans were so through, and calculating that it even had many of the specialists placed on the back foot. With only his skill stopping him from achieving victory. And, while, Diana Prince was in no means so short sighted, she tended to favour her battle prowess, and go on the offensive, and reacting to her opponent’s strategy then come up with her own. And, today, she would understand why it was a foolish mistake to charge in guns blazing.
If such a lesson didn’t fill her with rage though.
Jaune sheathed his sword, and converted it into its bastard sword form, and swung at, Dianna, who reacted to late as she was sent flying like a baseball.
Diana crashed into the wall hard, bringing herself out of it as she snarled at, Jaune who responded with a cheeky grin as he mockingly bowed to her. Diana let out a cry of rage as she charged at them as their battle raged onward.
~~~
Barbra: Wow… Diana is getting her butt kicked…
Kara: She usually beat most of her opponents by now, this, Jaune fellow is giving her the works.
Nora: YEAH! JNPR pride fearless leader!
Zatanna: JNPR? But, there’s only three of you, where’s your forth member?
Ren: …
Ren: She died.
Zatanna: Oh! I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to bring up, and past pain.
Ren: It’s alright. We’ve accepted her death, and we have moved on from it. Although, I think your friend has unearthed some hidden trauma that affecting, Jaune.
Zatanna: Hidden trauma; What are you talking about?
Ren: I don’t know, and that’s what worries me.
~~~
Diana had come to a conclusion: Jaune Arc was a complete asshole.
Every time she thought she had an effective strategy to defeat him, he came up with a simple, yet effective countermeasure to defeat her in turn! But, as she pulled out the golden rope on her hip, she came up with an effective way to defeat him.
Jaune watched her carefully as she started spinning a holden lasso in her hands. She hovered in the air for a moment looking down at him with another cocky smirk plastered across her face. Jaune knew what she was planning on doing, anyone with a pair of functioning eyes could see what she was planning on doing. The question remained, could he stop her from carrying out her little plan.
Diana moved like a hawk as she spun her lasso around, catching, Crocea Mors in its bands before, Jaune had enough time to react. Jaune struggled to hold on yo his sword, but he couldn’t maintain a proper grip as it was soon wretched free from his hands and sent flying, embedding itself into the wall.
Before, Jaune could react the lasso was wrapped around his arms, tightly holding him in place giving, Jaune only one moment to contemplate on this rather precarious predicament.
Jaune: …
Jaune: Aww shit…
And, just like that, Dianna threw him in the air, spinning him around faster, and faster before flinging him into the wall causing a massive crater to be formed in the wall.
Diana looked to the aura meter on the wall to see, Jaune’s aura fall from a yellow to a green.
Wait, that wasn’t right.
Diana looked towards, Jaune to see a golden light envelop his body as his aura went back to being full at 100%.
Jaune: Ughh… I feel like I’m gonna throw up… The spinning, that… Uuhhhhh… That! That was worse then being smashed into a wall…
Diana soon landed before, Jaune as he slowly rose to his feet, as she held out her hands in bewilderment.
Diana: The hell was that! Did you just recharge uou aura?!
Jaune: Yep. It’s a part of my semblance.
Diana: What kind of a bullshit semblance is that?!
Jaune: Oh, my semblance is bullshit? Oh, that rich coming from you! You seemingly have super strength, you’re super durable, and you can fucking fly! And, my semblance i the OP one?!
Diana: You can take an absolute beating, and you won’t go down! How is that fair!
Jaune: 1: A fair fight is one where your skills are fairly above that of your opponents. 2: I’m not invincible, I can be defeated, but not by how you’ve been doing it. And, 3: Right.
Diana: Right? Right of…?!
As soon as, Diana’s head turned to look to her right, she felt a fist connect with her head that sent her sprawling across the floor. She rose to her hands, and knees to look at, Jaune as he adopted a boxers stance, as a fierce, and determined look flashed across his eyes as it was followed by a sarcastic grin as he look down on her.
Jaune: My right, bitch.
Diana spat on the ground as she rose, and adopted her own fighting stance as she stared, Jaune down.
Diana: Didn’t you mother teach you it’s not polite to hit a lady?
Jaune: She did, she gave very different instructions when dealing with a bitch however.
Diana: Oh you are so…!
Winter: Enough! That’s enough you two. The winner is, Jaune Arc.
Diana: What! But, we’re still capable of fighting! Why are you calling the match?!
Winter: Simple.
A white glyph appeared besides, Diana, and before she could ask why it was there, she was sent flying into the wall, and the klaxon sounded signalling that, Diana’s aura was now in the red, and the duel was over.
Winter: As you can see, you were one more hit from losing. If, Mr. Arc had punched you harder he would have defeated then, and there.
Diana: What! I would have beet him if it wasn’t for his stupid semblance!
Winter: No you wouldn’t have.
Diana: What?!
Winter: While, Mr. Arc’s taunting seemed to come a place of genuine hatred. They were calculated; intended to upset you, and throw you off, to act recklessly as you fought him, and as you can it was quite effective.
Diana: Grrr! This isn’t over you bastard!
Jaune: Did it ever even begin?
Diana: Asshole.
Jaune: Twat.
Winter: Enough! Ms. Zatara, would you kindly retrive their equipment?
Zatanna: Of course! Nurter rieht reag otun meht!
And, in a flash, Jaune, and Diana’s weapons reappeared on their bodies causing, Jaune to pull out his weapons, and inspect their condition before looking to Zatanna, then to, Diana.
Jaune: Again, my semblance is bullshit?
Diana: Bite me!
Nora: OOH~! You can use actual magic! That’s amazing! Can you use it on me?
Zatanna: Depends on what you want me to do with it, but yes I can.
Nora: Can you make me thic?
Zatanna: You… What?
Nora: THIC~!
Zatanna: N-No… I can’t do stuff like that…
Nora: Darn. Oh well, Getting knocked up by, Jaune is still a better plan anyway. Thanks anyway.
Zatanna: Wait, what?!
Winter: Ignoring Ms. Valkyrie’s… comments… Do you understand why you lost, Ms. Prince?
Diana: N-No…
Winter: I see. Do you know why, Ms. Prince lost, Mr. Arc?
Jaune: Yes.
Winter: Care to explain how she lost then?
Jaune: No. Princess needs to figure that out, herself. Or, else she’ll never learn anything.
Winter: Hmm… I agree. Ms. Prince, your assignment for today is understand why you lost, and while you will continue to do ao, if you do not fix this problem you have.
Diana: Problem? I have no problems!
Winter: I beg to differ. Well then, since the arena has been partially destroyed by you two, the training match is over. You have the rest of the day off. Till later.
Jaune: I’ll hit the showers, I catch you guys up later.
Diana: Good, You stink.
Jaune: Oh we’re commenting about each other’s body odours now? Okay, but first can you be upwind of me?
Diana: You wouldn’t know the smell of roses, even if it nipped you in the butt!
Jaune: That depends; Are you the roses, or the fertilizer they use for the roses?
Diana: Oh go fuck yourself!
Jaune: How original: Bitch.
Diana: Asshole.
The remainder of Team JNPR, and Team DBKZ stood together as they watched their team leaders walk away, shouting the occasional insult as they walked away.
NRKBZ: …
Kara: They’re going to hate fuck each other so hard it’s going to break the bed.
Barbra: I give them a week before they do that.
Nora: Make it a month; Jaune-Jaune can be pretty dense when it comes to woman.
Zatanna: Noted.
Ren: You’re gonna try, and make them a couple now, aren’t you.
NBKZ: Of course.
Ren: Well then, good luck, Jaune…
Kara: But, what was that bit about you wanting, Jaune’s kids?!
Nora: Yes.
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I would have finished this sooner if it saved properly!
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There is no point in discussing Ironwood/Atlas in the fandom.
Since Volumes 7-8 the way that Ironwood and Atlas were written, their actions, whether they were justified or to what extent they were justified and the like have been discussed to death. There is no stone that has not been overturned, no statement that has not been made, no argument that has not been disected.
Regardless of ones stance on the subject, there is nothing left to discuss, the only thing left at best is sharing ones interpretation and opinions on it with people willing to engage with them. Or it would be, if there were actually such people left.
Around a week ago, against my own better judgement i once again engaged in an Ironwood discussion, something that i have mostly avoided for nearly a year, and i got just the right reminder as to why exactly there is no point in discussing it with members of the FNDM, and especially the fanatics.
They do not care about the show, how its told, what it told us. What they care about is to show how "moral" and "morally upstanding" they are by repeating the same mantra over and over. "Team RWBY are heroes, Ironwood is a fascist.", its both to show how morally "good" they are and also to protect the writing of a product that they love, because their beloved product possibly being deficient would be seen as a personal attack on their taste.
Lie and Lie again, if that doesnt work, lie once more
One of the most important factors in having any discussion is for both of the people talking to not only be truthful with one another but also agree upon some level of common ground that a disagreement comes from. In the case of RWBY, an Animated show, one has to agree with what is canon, what we can see in the story, from where on we can start arguing about interpretations. The problem however is that many people in the fandom, in regards to Ironwood especially, do not care about canon.
This being one of many examples. Since as far back as Volume 7, when we saw Ironwoods forces, everyone could look back to Volumes 2-3 and see that Ironwood brought 3 airships to Vale, a small detachment for the security of the festival.
Yet time and time again, RWBY fans refer to it as an "army", implying some kind of excessive force, in fact, some people in the past have went as far as saying that Ironwood was MILITARILY OCCUPYING Vale with his forces, i am not kidding.
But the most often directly lied about scene is of course the scene of Ironwood abandoning Mantle. In the show, after seeing the chess piece, he encounters a seer left behind in his office, this seer allows him to talk to Salem who pretty much tells him she is coming, which is then confirmed by the Ace Ops saying that the Grimm sensors have ceased working. That is canon. And yet, many a RWBY fan often pretends that Ironwood takes his decision after seeing the chess piece and "conveniently" ignore the chat that Ironwood has with Salem.
Fans of RWBY will not hesistate to lie about the canon itself to make their point, for people who claim to appreciate the shows writing, they will often directly ignore or even contradict it just so that they could hold true to their moral obligations.
But what happens when lying doesnt work?
Misdirect, Motte and Bailey and bad faith
When direct lying fails, RWBY fans will often take a different stance, instead of directly talking about canon, they will instead make the most bad faith assumptions and arguments imaginable.
This often takes form in Omissions or other less direct types of lies. Many times, it wont even be lies, but the most riddiculous arguments that they dont themselves believe.
For example, saying that soldiers helping to protect an event from terrorists is a stupid move.
In Volume 7, one of the earliest things we see happen is that Ironwoods forces are fighting against Grimm, the Sabyrs when they breach into Mantle, after which Penny shows up to assist in cleaning them up. And yet, fans of RWBY will say that these soldiers were not meant to protect people against Grimm, they were meant to abuse the citizens of Mantle.
The same goes for the curfew that also gets established in that same Volume. It is done explicitly for peoples protection. They instead say that its to control people, implying that the threat of Grimm isnt real? Which is exceedingly funny since COVID lockdowns happend near the same time, which were also curfews that meant to protect people.
Ironwood shooting Oscar is also a key part of such misdirections. Often times when RWBY fans talk about Ironwood shooting Oscar they refer to him as a "child" a "defenseless child", conveniently ignoring the Ozpin shaped hole in his brain.
This is yet another form this takes. Strawmanning and of course, the reference to "Ironwood runs away" argument, which they hold as true despite the show never stating it ever. They take Ironwood statement that Atlas will always stay out of Salems reach as a direct statement that Atlas will just rise and stay away. And not for example become a flying city which is also a possibility.
This is also another example of dishonest arguments. RWBY fans pretend that Ironwood is classist, that he only wanted to save the rich and leave everyone else to die. Despite the fact that Ironwood ordered Mantle to be evacuated into Atlas and only wanted to leave to save as many people as he could regardless of status. And yet, they have to pretend that he only cares about the "rich".
But the most often seen tendency among RWBY fans in regards to argument is something else.
Doulethink
Doublethink is acceptance of two contrary opinions being right at the same time due to ideological reasons. For example, decrying someone as weak when convenient and as strong at the same time.
And RWBY fans love this type of argumentation, especially with Ironwood.
As shown before in a picture, they pretend that Ironwood only cared about the rich. And yet they also argue that as a fascist he hates and controls the rich by how he treats Jacques.
They will both pretend that Ironwood is a sociopath who wants to control the world and at the same time will claim how sorry they feel about his PTSD and how he clearly should have been thrown out of the army due to it.
Ironwoods prosthetics both show how he suffered so much and should have been told to sit out due to his clear mental issues, yet at the same time those prosthetics prove and show how evil he is, how he wants to replace his body with metal because he wants to be an unthinking machine.
They will pretend to care about how Ironwood holds 2/5 seats on the Atlas council, decrying how UNDEMOCRATIC he is being, yet at the same time, when convenient they will constantly bring up how Ironwood did not ask for Ozpins persmission for his actions in V2-V3. They pretend that he usurped Ozpin despite Ironwood acting directly under Vales council.
As shown in this exchange. The cries for "democracy" quiet down all of a sudden when people take Ozpins side against Ironwood. Suddently, the opinion of the council doesnt matter, only Ozpin does. Oh and this is also an example of how they will change the topic once an argument is lost.
Oh, and of course, their favourite is in regards to team RWBY.
Who are at the same time both small teenagers who know no better and cannot be judged for their actions because they are smoll beans uwu.
And they are also literal jesus.
Because NOTHING says "we are being honest" when the protagonists are amazingly "weak" and "smoll" uwu beans whenever anyone criticizes them for making shit decisions for entire COUNTRIES which they CHOSE to do. And at the same time those protagonists are amazing badass girbossing jesus-like heroes who everyone should worship.
Ending word
I guess what im trying to say is that there is simply no point or hope in arguing about Ironwood, or hell, even arguing with RWBY fans in general unless you are in relatively neutral spaces with people who are willing to listen. They will lie, if they cant lie they will misdirect, and they will never be honest about their beliefs. Because their true beliefs are only "RWBY is good and what it attempts to say is correct". Nothing else matters. RWBY is good. Its messages (no matter how mangled they are) are good.
And to protect those beliefs RWBY fans will do ANYTHING. Because just like religious fanatics, they have faith, a belief, and nothing will stop them. If you oppose them, you are everything they think is evil. If you accept their words uncritically, then you are now a "friend".
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