I apologize if this isn't appropriate and comes off too negative but I honestly hate the setup of the comics they used for Invader Zim Enter the Florpus? Like it feels like a two issue excuse to humiliate and bully Dib for cheap laughs and make him a fat joke, and it pisses me off that people really hold that as a "highlight" of the comics. I'd have been livid if the movie was a straight adaptation.
Okay so I have a lot of thoughts about this, but before I go into any of that I want to first state that no, you are not being inappropriate at all! I think criticism of the things we love is very important, and Invader Zim is no exception. It's been a while since I engaged with discussion like this, but I think it's very valuable and so are your thoughts! Because honestly I agree with your point here. I think you're right.
That being said, I'm going to reblog this to @dib-shit because I think it's worth it to have this more visible to other IZ fans. I'm sorry if I go off for too long, but you really did spark something I me because I really agree with what you wrote. I literally have almost a 3 page essay below the cut.
This is something that's been on my mind for a while now tbh. I don't remember if I posted or reblogged something about it in the past, but I do think it maybe needs some more attention. Because I actually agree. As much as I love Invader Zim and Enter the Florpus, the way Dib was handled in the setup for the series continuation in the comics and the movie is... bad. And I think it brings to light that IZ, like all media, is not immune to issues and criticism.
First, there's the very blatant fatphobia surrounding Dib in this situation. Invader Zim, in retrospect, is incredibly fatphobic as a series. Part of this could be because it was the early 2000s, a time that seemed to decide it was a cultural obligation to hate fat people for just existing. But that's absolutely no excuse, especially for the return of IZ in the comics and the movie.
In the show, we constantly see these extremely gross depictions of fat people, one of the more obvious examples being Bloaty/the man who plays Bloaty. There are lesser examples like Eric the Blob in the fry cook episode and Willy, among others. Then, of course, Dib in the setup for the Movie/comics. This is a pattern. People who are fat in IZ are treated like they are disgusting creatures that chose to be that way because they were too "lazy" or "gross." And that's what happened with Dib. His obsession resulted in him not caring for himself properly (mostly not showering and going outside imo... But the comic movie focuses on him gaining weight) and while it does try to use this to highlight Dib's personal issues with how he cares for himself, it does so in a mocking and mean-spirited tone. As you said, it comes off like an excuse for cheap laughs.
To be clear to anyone that needs to hear it:
being fat does not make someone gross. Nor is someone a bad person for struggling to care for themselves.
While it is important for us to practice self-care, I feel that a lot of our culture focuses WAY too much on being "not fat" when there are way more important parts of self-care, such as mental health and hygiene practices (said by someone who has struggled his whole life with both things).
Diet culture is a scam.
Being fat is not as extremely “unhealthy” as it is portrayed to be, most fat people are just fine.
Everything we do has health risks, assholes just use "health" as an excuse to hate people for no reason. And if you really want to obsess over health, being overweight is better than being underweight for your body.
Even then, no matter how "unhealthy" someone might be, that NEVER justifies treating them with resentment and disgust. It is not that hard to treat others kindly.
This leads into how Dib was treated for getting fat and not cleaning himself. He was mocked by everyone around him when clearly something was wrong with his mental health. I know this is a cartoon, but consider that this was a 12-year-old kid who locked himself in his room and no one helped him or reached out to make sure he was okay. Especially Professor Membrane, who seemed to not care that his son was not doing well mentally or physically. Dib is a child. Dib is not an adult who can fully understand his choices and struggles and may need assistance in life as any child would. Dib is a child who needed support from a parental figure and he did not get it. Then when he tries to recover, Gaz treats him like an animal and hoses him down. Again, this is a cartoon so there are going to be ridiculous extremes. But when paired with the fact that he was turned into a fat joke for this bit, it has an uncomfortable vibe to it.
There were many ways to show him physically deteriorating from his mental illness without just turning him into a fat joke. I don't have an issue with him being physically unwell, I have issues with how they handled it.
That is mostly where the movie stops. But not the comics. In my opinion, the comics were way worse, and based on your ask I think you agree. The comics continue with Dib's story, and as you said, he is absolutely beaten down in a way that felt excessive and very mean-spirited for cheap laughs and humiliation. When ignoring all the issues with how Dib's physical state was presented, there is still the fact that he manages to recover. And anyone that has been through shit will tell you that recovery is not pretty, and it is not easy. Whether from trauma, illness, addiction, or physical struggles, there will always be elements of the recovery process that are unpleasant, painful, and sometimes even gross.
Dib's recovery process from living in his dark room for however long... Was mocked. It was recorded, uploaded, and treated as a joke both to the IZ universe and to us readers. The audience is intended to laugh at this kid who went through the painful and unpleasant process of recovery. This especially rubs me the wrong way. Because what does this tell people who might be going through their own recovery? What message does that send kids about what they should look like when they are trying to get better? What does that tell kids who have disabilities that may reflect some of what Dib was temporarily dealing with? I know this is a funny haha comic… but sometimes a joke can cross a line.
The panel of Dib clearly feeling uncomfortable because he had an accident and needs Gaz to help him clean himself hits a very personal cord for me. There are cases when a disability causes someone to struggle with using the bathroom. That was Dib's situation. He was still stuck in his chair and actively trying to get better, but he wasn't done with the process. People with disabilities get enough shit as it is. They don't need to be reminded of the things they get mocked for, and they also don't need to be mocked for it at all!! I have been in Gaz's position here. Never in a million fucking years would I think it's okay to make fun of someone for this when I know they have little to no control, aren't doing it on purpose, and likely already feel so much shame/embarrassment from something like that. I get it.
But just... The entire concept of it being "funny" that the whole universe is laughing at Dib for his recovery process is just horrible. Again, I know this is a series where everyone is gross and everyone is mean. But this... I felt went a little too far and a little too close to what real people are mocked for all the time. It's just blatant ableism.
So yeah. I absolutely agree that if they incorporated the second half of the comic’s intro into the movie, I would've been pissed! There's a line between making fun of a character and just bullying them in a way that hits too close to home for some, especially when the audience is expected to laugh along at the character's expense. Laughing at Dib when he's admittedly a creep in the early show (specifically thinking of the autopsy video quote in the first episode) is one thing, but laughing at him for trying to recover from a really bad time of his life is something else entirely.
There's probably more I can say about this, but my essay here is already long enough (sorry). Thank you again for sharing these thoughts, I hope I didn't bulldoze my way through this conversation. If anything I said was off/out of line let me know.
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I know this is talked about to death and this is an unpopular opinion on here, but as a trans jew I honestly do not see as much issue with people pirating the awful Hogwarts game.
Is it still a problem that they're willing to play it? Yeah. Absolutely.
But if they do the bare fucking minimum and recognize and criticize the anti-Semitism/transphobia, educate themselves, then ok. At least it's something while minimizing some damage.
At least no money went to JK or the shitty devs. No record can be made of this purchase, she can't use it as "evidence" people agree with her.
It's not innocent. For sure. I still judge people willing to still be into HP at this point, and willing to play this game. But at least it's a step in the right direction.
And honestly with how many people just straight up have no idea what's going on (because if you are mostly offline you wouldn't have a reason to know), and how many people say "it doesn't matter." At least someone pirating the game made the conscious decision to weigh their options and avoided sending their money towards something that harms people. It's something. It's better than thinking you can buy the game then donate to a trans charity (because that's a BS solution).
Sure I'd rather we move on from HP and no one buy it. But in this world, in this current reality, someone having the thought to pirate it is already ahead of most people. It's not perfect, but it's something. And that something is better when they also bother to recognize and discuss the problems with the game itself.
They should still be shamed. But I feel that considering it on the same level as legally buying the game is doing more harm than good. The people who are on the fence are just going to buy the game because it's easier if you tell them no other solution is better. With a stupid juggernaut like HP, we can't convince everyone in a swoop. Small changes. Steps. Pirating is not as good as ignoring the game entirely, but it is better than buying it, in my opinion.
Still spoil it for people though. That's funny as fuck. Lol.
I don't have anything against people who think otherwise. If you despise pirating it just as much as buying, that's fair! You go! This rant is just my own thoughts on the matter.
Tldr: pirating the Hogwarts game, in my opinion, is still bad. But it is not the same as buying it legally. It is at least slightly better.
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