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quasi-normalcy · 1 year
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nathanland · 4 months
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The whole process of Profit and Lace made no sense to me because the show already established that there are female Ferengis with business acumen? And Quark personally knows one?
Pel was a female businesswoman whom even Quark was impressed with how good she was with dealings and profiteering. Why not bring her over for a meeting? She would've loved representing female business women throughout the alliance.
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Remember her from the earlier season? Certainly the writers didn't.
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writergeekrhw · 1 year
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How would you have rewritten Profit and Lace (which many in the trans community finds offensive because it makes a joke out of gender changes)?
Umm... maybe just not do it at all? I mean, back in the 90s, the idea was almost certainly to do a riff on comedies like "Some Like It Hot," "Tootsie," "Mrs. Doubtfire" or "Bossom Buddies" but nowadays, we know better and probably would just... not.
And even though I wasn't on Season Six... sorry about that.
Or as a much better tv writer once put it.
“If we shadows have offended, Think but this, and all is mended, That you have but slumbered here While these visions did appear. And this weak and idle theme, No more yielding but a dream, Gentles, do not reprehend: If you pardon, we will mend: And, as I am an honest Puck, If we have unearned luck Now to 'scape the serpent's tongue, We will make amends ere long; Else the Puck a liar call; So, good night unto you all. Give me your hands, if we be friends, And Robin shall restore amends.”
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astra-the-dragon · 4 months
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WAS NOBODY GOING TO TELL ME QUARK DOES DRAG OR DID I HAVE TO FIND OUT MYSELF
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spocksballz · 2 years
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Quark needs a hug after his transgender adventure — Deep Space Nine 06x23, "Profit and Lace"
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usstrekart · 3 months
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"Profit and Lace" (S06E23, UNKNOWN) largely earns its reputation as one of the worst DS9 episodes. It suffers greatly from tone confusion, fighting between comedy & drama, never balancing. There is a nugget of a message and growth for Quark in there that can be mined, but it is buried pretty deep.
Whether you like it or not, the episode needed a poster to be a part of the series. I opted to ape the classic poster for Tootsie. I really could not think of anything else once I got that idea in my head.
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motsimages · 1 year
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I was a bit dreading Profit and Lace because of all the comments I had seen and I have to say it isn't that bad. It could have been worse, but I think the main problem it has is that there was Someone in the production team who thought it was Very Funny to make a woman out of Quark. For some reason, that Someone was Convinced that was Peak Comedy since the series began and insisted to have that joke over and over every once in a while and it all culminates here.
It doesn't serve the plot at all. Ishka was there and it would have worked the same with her but how else can we make Quark a woman then? Isn't that funny? Quark who is so very masculine and manly (he fucking isn't, not even for Ferengi standards)?
It has been done over and over, always very uncomfortably because it is clear that nobody else thought it was funny other than whoever the fuck insisted to put it there. So Armin Shimerman has never played that part in a funny way. When Jadzia meets her hosts and they decide to give Quark a woman, Armin plays it seriously. Quark may be pissed off but his friend asked him and he is not responsible either. They tried to make it a jokey with Sisko and Jadzia as if it was some kind of shenanigans but it didn't land because Armin is not putting up with that.
There is another moment, I can't remember which episode, but it happens at least a couple of times more that someone just thinks it will be funny to make Quark feminine or effeminate or a woman for the lolz. And nobody else agrees, so you just have a situation that maybe works in another series but definitely not in this one.
And really, Profit and Lace is the coronation of whoever thought this was peak comedy. But because nobody else agreed, it isn't that uncomfortable because Quark gets in the role and plays along and enjoys it and everyone is actually very respectful of him and what he does. It is uncomfortable because you can really feel the whole team looking at whoever thought the idea was funny and shaking their heads like "mate, not really, but I do have to pay rent so I'll make do".
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cosmiado · 1 year
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okay i finished watching Profit and Lace (fucking YIKES) and obviously its transphobic as all hell, but something that ive been thinking about that makes me particularly furious is that this could've SO EASILY been a really good episode!! like, keep the whole concept of Ishka starting the feminist revolution and then having her heart attack, but instead of giving Quark gender reassignment surgery, they should've just brought back Pel!! need a Ferengi woman with really good business skills?? just write in that she just happens to be visiting the station or something, and then she can run the meeting!! you can still have your identity comedy, but it can come from Nilva refusing to speak with anyone but Ishka and so Pel has to pretend to be her. anyway i will forever be furious that this isn't the episode we got.
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stopthatbluecat · 2 years
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Julian should always be a bitch to Quark, it suits him.
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profit and lace is just SUCH an insane episode you learn and see so many things
-rom has probably done drag (and is good at it)
-you can get gender affirming surgery and hormones REALLY fast on ds9
-quark can do drag
-nilva or whatever the fuck his name is is completely willing to date a trans woman
-but he sucks for other reasons
-nog completely accepts female quark with no explanation
-quark goes to odo for comfort
-quark tits
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almalvo · 2 years
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DS9 - Profit and Lace My. God.
Jaw on the ground the whole time.
Quark is gay. he is only gay. gay gay gay gay gay.
I love this.
But I also hate this because Star Trek can have all this and then some but NOOO EWWWW GAYYYY NAHHHH ?
Save us please, SNW.
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nikwho22 · 1 year
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Wow. DS9 ep "Profit and Lace" (6x23) DID NOT age well. So much transphobia, sexism, and misogyny in one episode. Cool, gender reassignment surgery is an easy thing. Sure, there's the underlying women's rights storyline. Of course, there are peppered in moments of silly that we've come to love from Ferengi storylines. But the use of "drag" as a joke, the cracks on women's hormones causing emotional instability. And let's not forget the attempted sexual assault and the episode starting with Quark threatening a waitress with termination if she doesn't sleep with him. Which is bookended with her being ok with it. Really?
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decepti-geek · 2 years
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I looked through the Profit and Lace tag while watching it just so I could feel like everyone else who's ever blogged about it was sharing my misery and some absolute visionary decided to get drunk before they watched it
And now I'm just sad I didn't think of that
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altumvidetur · 2 years
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Just watched "Profit and Lace" for the first time and tbh I was... expecting it to be worse? Like, it's still transphobic and full of cringe moments, but the way everyone talked about it, you'd think it was like, "Sub Rosa" or "Threshold" or something.
I mean, Quark and Odo hugged! That automatically bumps it up to at least 5/10.
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marxistgnome · 2 years
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Quark so transgender
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