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[thatscarletflycatcher]

Why do you think the epilogue of "Jane Eyre" gives so little attention to Jane's becoming a mother? Just once sentence that doesn't even touch on Jane's feelings about it, only that Rochester regained enough of his sight to be able to see his firstborn son. Why should such an enormous, life-changing aspect of her married years be so deemphasized?

Hi!

If you ask me, I think the very simple answer is that Charlotte Brontë didn't like children. Even Adele herself in the novel is very little more than a plot device to have Jane at Thornfield (this is one of the reasons why the 1996 heavy focus on childhood and the consequences of unhappy childhoods, ending with Jane and Rochester adopting Adele and raising her as their own is both a strong departure from the text but also an interesting commentary on it).

I feel like Elizabeth Gaskell explains it in a way that makes sense in her The Life of Charlotte Brontë:

"...teaching seemed to her at this time, as it does to most women at all times, the only way of earning an independent livelihood. But neither she nor her sisters were naturally fond of children. The hieroglyphics of childhood were an unknown language to them, for they had never been much with those younger than themselves. I am inclined to think, too, that they had not the happy knack of imparting information, which seems to be a separate gift from the faculty of acquiring it; a kind of sympathetic tact, which instinctively perceives the difficulties that impede comprehension in a child’s mind, and that yet are too vague and unformed for it, with its half-developed powers of expression, to explain by words. Consequently, teaching very young children was anything but a “delightful task” to the three Brontë sisters. With older girls, verging on womanhood, they might have done better, especially if these had any desire for improvement. But the education which the village clergyman’s daughters had received, did not as yet qualify them to undertake the charge of advanced pupils."

"No doubt, all who enter upon the career of a governess have to relinquish much; no doubt, it must ever be a life of sacrifice; but to Charlotte Brontë it was a perpetual attempt to force all her faculties into a direction for which the whole of her previous life had unfitted them. Moreover, the little Brontës had been brought up motherless; and from knowing nothing of the gaiety and the sportiveness of childhood—from never having experienced caresses or fond attentions themselves—they were ignorant of the very nature of infancy, or how to call out its engaging qualities. Children were to them the troublesome necessities of humanity; they had never been drawn into contact with them in any other way. Years afterwards, when Miss Brontë came to stay with us, she watched our little girls perpetually; and I could not persuade her that they were only average specimens of well brought up children. She was surprised and touched by any sign of thoughtfulness for others, of kindness to animals, or of unselfishness on their part: and constantly maintained that she was in the right, and I in the wrong, when we differed on the point of their unusual excellence."

From a letter from Charlotte to Gaskell:

"Whenever I see Florence and Julia [two of Gaskell's daughters] again, I shall feel like a fond but bashful suitor, who views at a distance the fair personage to whom, in his clownish awe, he dare not risk a near approach. Such is the clearest idea I can give you of my feeling towards children I like, but to whom I am a stranger;—and to what children am I not a stranger? They seem to me little wonders; their talk, their ways are all matter of half-admiring, half-puzzled speculation."

I wonder how her feelings would or wouldn't have changed, had she survived her pregnancy and gotten a child of her own with the husband she loved.

#ask #princesssarisa #Charlotte Brontë #Jane Eyre #Elizabeth Gaskell #The Life of Charlotte Brontë

[anghraine]

I'm rereading "Pride and Prejudice" for the first time in years, and there's something I don't quite understand. After Darcy's first proposal and their argument, why does Elizabeth cry for half an hour? I used to think it was because subconsciously, she was already in love with Darcy, but now I don't think that's the case. Is it just the sheer overwhelm of shock, rage, and stress?

Hi! Thanks for the ask (and for tagging me in some other P&P posts—I've been busy but enjoyed seeing them).

In fandom, Elizabeth is often reduced to her feisty, self-possessed, "awesome lady" side, someone who has no time for anyone's shit and is unruffled by it. But in the book, I feel that Elizabeth is less of a feisty icon and more recognizable as a realistic person—sometimes a cool and impressive person, but nevertheless, very human.

Her rejection of the first proposal gets uncritically represented as a moment of pure glory for her. But it did not feel like that to Elizabeth. She was shocked, insulted, a bit flattered, angry on her own behalf and angrier on Jane's and Wickham's, etc—a messy muddle of emotion that seems to have been painful to experience rather than governed by pure and clear righteousness. So, basically I agree with your suggestion in the ask, though it's possible that more is going on, also, when you consider her earlier response to Mr Collins's proposal.

IMO, Darcy's proposal is fundamentally different from Mr Collins's for her, because she does not perceive it as silly. It's very bad, but not in a way that she can shrug off as absurd or whimsical, and this lends it emotional power.

Mr Collins can say awful things and refuse to take no for an answer and it's unpleasant and irritating, but it's not something she takes seriously. Fans and academics talk sometimes about her courage in refusing Mr Collins's proposal, but I don't think it did take much courage, really, because she just doesn't care enough about the situation to need to draw on her courage to dismiss it.

Darcy's first proposal, although not as offensive in itself (insofar as we can be sure of what he said at all), is much more troubling for her. So I don't think it's just that she was insulted and had to deal with a lot of interpersonal anger and drama (which happened with Mr Collins's but left far less emotional impact). I agree she is not in love with Darcy at all at this point, and crucially, does not have respect for his moral character or basic temperament. I think she does, however, feel a sort of intellectual respect that leads her to take him seriously as a figure. I think that's why she's partly flattered, for instance, where she wasn't with Mr Collins—not only because of Darcy's consequence, but because he's the sort of person whose attention and favor does feel flattering, even when she still believes he's a terrible person.

I think Elizabeth's post-rejection distress is coming from basically the same place as the sense of flattery. Because at heart, she takes Darcy quite seriously as a person (however amused she may be at his occasional specific situation or propensity), his behavior towards her carries a weight that most other people's doesn't. Even when she's wrong about it, or likely to be wrong about it, her sense of how he's acting towards her leaves this unusually strong impact on her that doesn't seem quite proportionate to even the extraordinary situations she's often in.

So while it's understandable that she'd be upset by the Hunsford scene, I personally think one of the reasons she is so upset is because of this complicated dynamic she has with Darcy that isn't love, liking, or much positive feeling at all at this point in the book, but where she is in general very sensitive and reactive to most of what he says and does. We see this engagement/responsiveness at Pemberley, too, before he even arrives in person— "her spirits were in a high flutter," "she longed to hear more," "Mrs Reynolds could interest her on no other point [than Darcy]" etc.

Tl;dr—my personal reading is that it's a mixture of the interaction being an upsetting one on its own merits, because Elizabeth is human and a fairly sensitive person in some contexts, with the complication of the generally intense and responsive dynamic between Elizabeth and Darcy, in which neither is really capable of simply dismissing what the other says and does, even when believing them to be factually or morally wrong.

(Sorry if this is rambling and unclear, I'm quite tired atm!)

#'elizabeth is not at all in love with darcy but is also very much affected by darcy' is my niche! #it does seem that fandom tends to veer really far to elizabeth being a) actually in love or b) actually indifferent #and i can't see either! #princesssarisa #respuestas #austen blogging #austen fanwank #anghraine's meta #elizabeth bennet #fitzwilliam darcy #pride and prejudice #jane austen #long post #otp of otps

[ariel-seagull-wings]

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[cto10121]

I vaguely remember reading an essay once that tried to argue in favor of shipping Romeo/Mercutio from a serious, academic standpoint, citing all the usual clown take "problems" with Romeo/Juliet (Rosaline, Juliet's age, etc.), and then pointing out that at the tragedy's central turning point, Romeo "chooses Mercutio over Juliet" by killing Tybalt to avenge Mercutio's death. Maybe that "Twilight" commentator thought that was the correct reading.

How clownery begets more clownery. And it all begins with the academic fandom. Color me unsurprised.

No, Romeo does not choose Mercutio in avenging him. He chooses honor culture, which is a distinction Shakespeare is very careful to make.

I’ve already talked about how Romeo’s initial reaction to Mercutio’s injury comes with curious deliberation on his part, in contrast to the split-second rashness favored by other adaptations. In his mini-monologue Romeo first describes Mercutio as “the Prince’s near ally” before he describes him as his friend, and Tybalt as his newest cousin. This suggests that social status was first and foremost on his mind.

And then there are his lines about Juliet’s ~feminizing influence softening “valor’s steel.” More precisely and revealingly, it’s her “beauty.” To Romeo Juliet doesn’t even have to do anything—she influences Romeo just by existing.

Benvolio then enters and tells Romeo that Mercutio is dead, in language best suited for a fallen warrior: “brave Mercutio is dead,” “a gallant spirit” that “too untimely here did scorn the earth.” But it’s Romeo’s reaction that is most curious: “This day’s black fate on more days doth depend. / This but begins the woe others must end.”

A death of nigh cosmic significance is one that, to Romeo’s mind, others must end. Other days? Other men? There is a clear longing for justice, but almost abstract, and Romeo doesn’t seem to act as any agent here. It’s only when Tybalt returns (an awkward and unnecessary stage direction that may just have been intended on Shakespeare’s part) that spurs Romeo into action, grief, and finally anger.

It seems clear to me that Shakespeare’s purpose in illustrating Romeo’s true motivations in dueling Tybalt made him slow the action and momentum of this scene drastically, risking boredom in his fickle audience. This isn’t, these lines suggests, just about Mercutio and Romeo’s relationship with him. It’s about honor culture and the role Romeo realizes he had scanted. In accepting that role again in avenging Mercutio, Romeo goes against his own character, his love, and even his own friendship with Mercutio.

In our modern world that honor culture is almost dead except in mafia/gangster circles, so this is often missed. The influences of modern adaptations that decide to take shortcuts for time or spectacle is also a factor. But Shakespeare definitely had lived experience with duels, with some of his friends engaging in and even being killed or injured by them. He knew that emotion had nothing to do with duels, much less love.

Anyway, tl;dr, Shakespeare was concerned with honor culture and slash shipping based on that dynamic just doesn’t make sense. There is literally no homosexual explanation for any of this.

#princesssarisa #ask #romeo and juliet #rj meta #r&j meta #cristina metas #sorry i replied with a whole-ass academic essay ha #i remember harold blood in an essay blaming romeo for not controlling his anger #god bloom is so bad. such a bad reader of shakespeare #are the gays okay

[midnightcowboy1969]

Joe and Rico's dynamic seems so much like my mom and dad's. A Golden Retreiver-ish blonde from a rural area, who was easily taken advantage of in the past, and a dark haired New Yorker with a prickly, sarcastic outside and sensitive, loving inside. Such an unlikely pair, yet they've been married for over 40 years. Maybe that's why I enjoy reading your "Midnight Cowboy" posts even though I've still only seen select scenes from the movie, not the whole thing. It's so weirdly familiar.

❤️ Thank you for sharing!!

If you one day end up watching the film in its entirety, please, share your thoughts with me. 🙏

#ask #princesssarisa

[cjbolan]

Reverse Unpopular Opinion Meme: The Magic Flute

Love the arias and the costumes!!! Love the plot twists. My two favorite characters are Papageno and the Queen of the Night, mainly because they have the most memorable songs. Love all the many different ways it’s been staged. Love this being one of the few operas with a happy ending, and knowing this was Mozart’s last opera right before his death gives it a bittersweet touch.

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#ask #answer #princesssarisa #mozart #magic flute #the magic flute #die zauberflöte #opera #mozart opera #reverse unpopular opinion meme

[themousefromfantasyland]

Why are people not talking about this:

In the Little Mermaid 2023 remake, they changed the setting of the story.

Despite what many believe, the original 1989 animated movie wasn't set in Denmark. Judging by the architecture of Prince Eric's castle, the animals present during Kiss the Girl, and the landscape of the land itself, the movie is set in the European Mediterranean. Disney all but confirmed this in latter years. There were actual theories about Eric's kingdom being in Italy.

In the remake, Eric's kingdom is an island heavily implied to be on the Caribbean sea.

Eric is adopted and his mother, the Queen is super alive in this, and she is black. Grimsby here is portrayed by a Pakistani-British actor, making him ambiguously brown. Carlotta was replaced by a character named Lashana, and she is portrayed by a Trinidadian actress.

The island population is super diverse, with black and brown people everywhere.

They have a tropical climate and the only trees seen are palm trees.

Instead of waltzing when they visit the kingdom, Ariel and Eric dance Caribbean music.

When Eric shows several maps to Ariel, he suspiciously cites the names of a lot of South America countries, like Venezuela and Colombia, implying that the kingdom is closer to these countries than it is to Europe. He even cites my country, Brazil, referred as the Brazilian Empire, which dates the movie from anywhere between 1822 and 1889, when Brazil was indeed an Empire.

@ariel-seagull-wings @princesssarisa @angelixgutz @amalthea9 @thelittlehansy

#disney #the little mermaid #the little mermaid 2023 #halle bailey

[bethanydelleman]

There’s a new book out called The Darcy Myth that says in the summary that P&P is actually a “horror novel” about how scary love is for women… I know the Bennet sisters’ situation is precarious but to call it a “horror novel” ? :P

Okay... so... ug.... did this woman even read Pride & Prejudice? Because from the news coverage I would say no. Let me highlight some passages from the article:

Darcy should be considered the main antagonist of the famous love story

Not Wickham? Not the man who runs off with literal teenage girls?

Darcy pays Wickham to marry Lydia, saving her reputation, and later tells Elizabeth, “I thought only of you” when acting. For Feder, this phrase is proof of the hero’s self-interest. Darcy condemns Lydia to a life with an amoral man, all so the Bennets don’t become so disreputable that he won’t be able to marry the woman he loves.

Um, sorry, but no. Darcy tried to get Lydia away FIRST, she refused, he respected Lydia's autonomy as a human being. Becoming brother-in-law to Wickham was probably worse for Darcy personally than Lydia being "ruined"

I found Feder’s exploration of “Pride and Prejudice”as a Gothic novel — rather than a comedy of manners — far more compelling than her critique of Darcy.

Wut? No. Not even a little bit, what? That is a different genre.

“Darcy helped codify the dominant expectation that potential romantic partners — especially heterosexual men — are not only still eligible but in fact more appealing when they play a little hard to get, even if playing hard to get involves cruelty, insults, expressions of disinterest, ruining your beloved sister’s chances of happiness, and other red flags,” she writes. Women spend their time, energy and emotions on men who, quite simply, are not worth their effort.

Okay, except ELIZABETH NEVER TRIES ANYTHING WITH DARCY. She just sits there and he falls in love with her. If she did put effort into any relationship it was with Wickham, who again, is presented as a massive red flag in the end. This line of argument is wild.

Yet, seeing the sheer number of times women pursue cruel men in pop culture laid out one after another — in Disney movies, Taylor Swift songs and much more — is affecting. Feder concludes convincingly that this cultural conviction harms women in the same way the patriarchal boundaries of the regency did. She writes: “If we zoom out, we see that the Darcy myth also helps to prop up and fortify a very Gothic, patriarchal universe that is, and always has been, scary for anyone who is not a very particular type of man. After all, if we are trained from childhood to invest ourselves in men who treat us poorly, aren’t we more likely to end up in abusive situations and under threat of assault?”

Okay, so this is a valid point, but it also is based on a misreading of Pride & Prejudice or is heavily influenced by adaptations. Darcy isn't cruel, he's snobby and somewhat rude but definitely NOT cruel. Wickham is exactly the type of man you want to avoid: charming until he isn't.

ALSO WHAT DISNEY PRINCE IS AN ASSHOLE??? @princesssarisa? Can you be offended at that one in my stead?

So... this book sounds like rage-bait insanity and I won't be reading it until proved otherwise. Putting it on the avoid shelf along with Secret Radical.

Last note: There is a valid point to be made that jerks or dark broody men have been romanticized, but Austen DOES NOT DO THAT. That is not an Austen thing. Use an actual problematic Gothic or Byronic hero.

#question response #this is nuts #the darcy myth #just looks like rage bait to me #the arguments are nonsensical #Now I'm going to have to fight this book on Reddit too #oh joy

[thealmightyemprex]

Why do alot of Disney Villains have sisters

Many have mocked the Disney trope of Disney overusing the avenging the villain trope....But looking at it I realized A lot of the time the one doing the avenging is a sister

Jafar's got a sister Nasira

Clayton has a sister Lady Waltham

and who can forget the most famous ," URSULAS CRAZY SISTER" Morgana

@ariel-seagull-wings @the-blue-fairie @themousefromfantasyland @princesssarisa @theancientvaleofsoulmaking @minimumheadroom

[faintingheroine]

What was Heathcliff’s final revenge supposed to be if he hadn’t grown tired or been haunted to death by his beloved before he could realize it? Disinheriting Cathy and Hareton? Burning the houses? He cares enough about money to rent out Thrushcross Grange, presumably he wouldn’t actually “annihilate his property” without some supernatural involvement.

What would be the purpose? I think the meaningful part of his revenge was having Hareton and Cathy as his grotesque little family and making them servants and miserable. I think he had already reached the apex of his revenge.

@vickythestrange @artemideaddams @princesssarisa @burningvelvet

#wuthering heights #heathcliff #cathy linton #hareton earnshaw

[tuttocenere]

if someone who knows literally nothing about opera whatsoever were interested in checking one out..... what would you recommend

Operas are wonderful and I am happy for that someone.

Picking an opera:

I personally think you can't really go wrong with the big Mozart operas (Don Giovanni, Nozze di Figaro, Zauberflöte, Entführung aus dem Serail). But maybe the person loves Russian literature and would prefer to see Pikovaya Dama. Or maybe they're already interested in baroque music and would love an opera by Gluck or Händel. Or maybe they know some famous tunes from Carmen or La Traviata and would like to hear those in context. Or they like a play or novel that happens to have been adapted into an opera.

If they have absolutely no point of reference I'd recommend digging around in operablr a bit and seeing if anything speaks to them, most of the popular operas and eras have their fans here.

Where to see it:

If it's an option, I would recommend going to the nearest opera house and seeing any famous and popular opera they're playing, ideally a few different ones.

If not, there are a lot of recordings online. There's operavision on youtube, medici.tv and other paid subscriptions, some of them offering free trials, and free broadcasts from various opera houses and TV stations. @princesssarisa and/or @leporellian had a good post of online resources some time ago, I can't find it right now.

Or just join tumblr user Antony @malcolm-f-tucker's opera streams every week! They're fun!

How to see it:

When you've picked an opera to see, I recommend reading a plot summary and maybe also some comments on the production in advance. Operas are often staged in a way that assumes you already know what happens, especially the most famous and popular ones. Or just go and let it wash over you, that's what I did as a student and it's why I still have no idea what happens in half the operas I've seen. Very enjoyable in its own way.

No but seriously what to see:

Karajan's Don Giovanni from 1987 (no subtitles)

Or this Don Giovanni from 2017 (French subtitles, this is not the 2017 DG that everyone loves): Part 1, Part 2

Gluck's Orfeo ed Euridice from 2023 (Italian subtitles)

Bizet's Carmen on ARTE (has English subtitles)

Rossini's La Cenerentola (literally cinderella; has English subtitles)

(I tried to represent some diverse eras and styles but it's still me lol)

#opera tag #ask me things #i hope this is helpful #i am pretty bad at suggesting things #so people who I tagged (and others) plz chime in if you'd like

[thatscarletflycatcher]

I've been thinking of your recent post about Jane Eyre vs. Heathcliff as children and I've been wondering about your comment on Jane being an unreliable narrator. I know that some people think this about her where Rochester and Bertha are concerned, but do you think there's evidence that she's unreliable about her childhood? That she might have been less innocent and abused than she paints herself and the Reeds less terrible than she portrays them?

Hi!

Unreliable narrator is perhaps too strong a word in the sense that it implies the narrator, knowingly or not, is misleading the reader, which I don't think is the case in Jane Eyre, and so far I also don't think it is the case for Nelly Dean in Wuthering Heights (I'm only on chapter 6 now, so keep that in mind).

What I mean to say is that they are narrators whose ways of seeing the world and their opinions on the people they are talking about are more or less evident to the reader, in part because they are acknowledged. We hear Nelly talk of Heathcliff at first as "it" and we get by her tone that she always mistrusted and disliked him, but she doesn't omit facts that go against her perception of him (I.e. her saying that Heathcliff was easy to nurse when he was sick, that he spoke little and true, etc).

It's similar to how you can tell that, as much as Jane cares for Adele and gets along with her well, that she has a poor concept of her not only in terms of her intelligence, but in terms of her eagerness to please, her charm, her easygoing nature and her french-ness. You get a sense that the facts we are told about Adele do not warrant the sort of judgement the tone of Jane's voice gives us about her.

Neither Jane nor Nelly are objective narrators, so their respective povs can be argued and deconstructed within the narrative, that was the disclaimer I was aiming at.

When it comes to the Reeds, I don't think Jane is misrepresenting them, not only because the plain facts as described show they are the sort of people she believes they are, but also because adult Jane shows pity for them as she tells us the story, and tries to make up some justification for the treatment she received from them.

#jane eyre #wuthering heights #ask #princesssarisa

[anghraine]

Happy birthday! :)

Thank you very much!

#princesssarisa #respuestas #nice things people say to me #beware the ides of march

[ariel-seagull-wings]

Questions #1, #3, #5, and #8 for Cinderella.

@themousefromfantasyland @the-blue-fairie @thealmightyemprex @angelixgutz @faintingheroine @grimoireoffolkloreandfairytales @tamisdava2 @softlytowardthesun

1. Why do you like or dislike this character?

I like her because of how she can be resilient, angry, sassy, funny, vulnerable and brave.

3. Least favorite canon thing about this character?

Is there a canon for a oral tradition character with so many different portrayals around the world trough the centuries?

5. What's the first song that comes to mind when you think about them?

In My Own Little Corner!

8. What's something the fandom does when it comes to this character that you despise?

Is less despising, and more growing tired of the girl bossyfication in recent portrayals.

#princesssarisa #fairy tales #cinderella #ask meme

[cto10121]

Choose violence ask game: 1, 9, 10, and 22 for "Romeo and Juliet"

1. the character everyone gets wrong

Hmm, good question. My first impulse is to say R&J themselves, Romeo in particular, as their (actually complicated) personalities and characters get frequently misinterpreted. But as I’ve already discussed this frequently in my blog, I’ll opt for an unconventional answer: Mercutio himself.

Not in terms of getting his personality wrong (although I’ve seen plenty of angrymacho!Mercutio, childish!Mercutio, and even woobie!Mercutio, curiously enough), but in terms of adaptations taking Mercutio’s POV and opinions and attitude as gospel. Mercutio is portrayed as a guy who not only talks shit but makes up shit as he goes along (re: Tybalt being a poseur duelist and Benvolio having a ~secret hotheaded side). You’re not supposed to take him seriously but enjoy his trash talk for what it is—premier trolling.

Instead adaptations and fanfics accept his POV unquestionably and even accept it as canon (Baz Lurhmann movie introducing him as the Prince of Cats, Benvolio getting portrayed as a macho asshole, etc.). And of course, that’s where most of the Romeo-is-effeminate clownery comes from, even though Mercutio himself doesn’t think this (only that he has gotten pussified by ~love) and canon blatantly contradicts this.

9. worst part of canon

Tough one. Shakespeare’s canon is almost flawless. I guess making Rosaline a Capulet could be considered a plot hole. He did it so that Romeo has the push he needs to go to the party…but technically he could have made Rosaline just a random invitee rather than a Capulet. And Capulet turned out to be very chill with non-Capulet invitees anyway. So yeah, I don’t mind adaptations that make Rosaline into a Montague or a non-related Capulet. This does show Shakespeare’s lack of fucks about the feud beautifully, though.

10. worst part of fanon

I don’t think that this counts as fanon, per se, but I once peeked at some (hopefully non-school mandated) fanfics in AO3 and got a strong whiff of not one, not two, but several Juliet-is-cool-BFFs-with-Bencutio-while-latter-constantly-makes-fun-of-whiny-woobie-Romeo. Oh, God, you guys are killing me. Also, the Macho Action Hero/Strong Female Character(tm) Juliet, but that is part-and-parcel with the overall clownery.

22. your favorite part of canon that everyone else ignores

…People are still sleeping on Juliet’s likening Romeo to a little bird she’d like to tie in a silken thread to pluck around as she pleases and Romeo 110% replying with “I would I were your bird,” huh? You guys really do like your innocently chaste kawaii R&Js. Admit it, these kids are freaks!!!

Nah, just kidding. Well, this is not something everyone ignores as much as miss entirely…but there’s Romeo’s “Let’s talk” when he decides to stay with Juliet after all after their wedding night. The antis always whine about how R&J are just lustful fiends and they are not ~really in love, and this small, almost throwaway line completely disproves it. Romeo decides to stay and his first suggestion about what he and Juliet should do…is to talk. Because he likes talking to Juliet and most likely they did speak through some of the night. Because he clearly wants to know everything about Juliet. Because their love so far has been just that—words—so of course their default is to talk.

#romeo and juliet #princesssarisa #ask #rj meta #r&j meta #ask meme #hope they satisfy #i guess my answers also extend to the adaptations #for the rosaline one i guess shakespeare had the whole distant-cousins-are-okay-to-date thing going on #in the musical you get the impression that sex and hookups happen between montagues and capulets #but anything serious is a no-no #hell the seduction is probably part of the feud itself #what better way to fuck your enemy than to…fuck your enemy?

[midnightcowboy1969]

I still like the idea that Betty Rizzo from "Grease" is related to Rico Rizzo, either an older brother's daughter or a cousin, especially because "Rise of the Pink Ladies" confirms that she and her family came from New York. Maybe someday Joe will meet her and they can talk about him.

Absolutely same! I really like the idea too. I can imagine Joe at like a supermarket or something (somewhere, probably still in Florida) and hearing the name Rizzo. He remembers Rico (who never really left his mind), sees her, and then, because it doens't quite enter his brain that there could be plenty of Rizzos unrelated to Rico in the world, he immediatly starts asking her all, "Excuse me, ma'am, do you happen to know somebody by the name of Ratso- Rico, Rico Rizzo, I mean?" and she's surprised because yeah. Etc etc.

I actually didn't known about "Rise of the Pink Ladies" until now. Is it good?

#ask #princesssarisa #update: sad part he got to tell her he is dead #and then they visit his grave