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eleanor shellstrop, secret winchester
given her age she’s a little older than Sam which means Eleanor and Sam are MIDDLE CHILDREN. She considers herself the Oldest Sibling because she does, jerkoff, and if you have a problem with that you can eat her farts!!!
she inherited the important Winchester gene to repress repress repress.
she’s a TERRIBLE hunter, she HATES it, but she is excellent at remembering random connections between hunters. She’s like imdb for for hunters.
Chidi hosts ethics classes for interested supernatural beings. Meg is his best student.
Bela is alive because I say so and always tries to get Eleanor to work with her. She also tries to seduce Tahani three times a year.
Garth and Jason are BEST. BUDS.
Pillboi becomes part of the hunter’s network sourcing blood and organs for creatures who don’t want to murder humans. This means he has a bunch of incredibly dangerous supernatural beings with a vested interest in his well being. Pillboi might date Benny at some point.
Sam is constantly trying to get Eleanor to TALK about her FEELINGS, like, fork off, man! Just because we share a dad doesn’t mean we’re FAMILY.
Michael to Sam: i was totally rooting for you to take over hell. it’s so exciting to meet you! like meeting royalty that isn’t racist or imperialist. so not like meeting royalty at all.
dean: what the fuck is jeremy bearimy
sam: this broke me. the dot over the i.
getting drunk and swapping Traumatic Childhood™ stories with her brothers and realizing that they have a lot in common, actually, and maybe they aren’t as terrible as she thought
she and Sam bond over striking out on their own
Adam is the only one of them who had even SLIGHTLY a normal childhood and he’s just like. guys you all need therapy.
SAYS THE DUDE WITH AN ARCHANGEL AS HIS COPILOT, Eleanor says
she and dean watch Venom together and have this slow-dawning realization that THIS is what Adam and Michael’s relationship is, WHAT THE HELL
going to bars and having competitions over who can get the most numbers
eleanor giving dean the Talk about liking dudes
at some point just yelling at him that he loves cas, now would dean PLEASE get his head out of his ash and DO something about it, we are SO TIRED of your heteronormativity, dude!!!
“if I can finish college you sure as fork can” and she dumps a bunch of nontraditional student info on Sam
Eleanor helping during investigations because “i’m a world-class liar, baby!”
she and Sam also bond over their hatred of clowns
teaches Sam some signs that she knows but they’re all VERY suggestive and she doesn’t tell him that. She’s got your back, Eileen
Eleanor flirting with Billie, accidentally has a threesome with her and Rowena
Dean making her elaborate shrimp dishes when she’s sad (usually when Chidi has to go lecture somewhere)
Eleanor: I’m an Arizona dirtbag but YOU are serial killers. I’m gonna be the velociraptor of this family.
(has big “a TRANSFORMER is the scribe of god???” “that’s megatron” energy)
She and Jason ask Sam for HYPOTHETICAL legal advice
for some reason can’t use her nephilim powers until after she dies and comes back
#WinchestersNeverDie
she doesn’t really use them for anything except shrimp and margaritas and pranks
is Jack’s vodka aunt
he just BEAMS every time he sees her
teaches Jack normal human behaviors since NONE of his fathers are even remotely normal
“oh my god, NO Jack, don’t return your cart to the cart corral. leave it in the parking space. that’s what humans do.”
she’s helped a demon through an existential moral crisis. jack’s soul stuff? not a big deal. she’ll walk him through it.
loans him some of her powers so maybe he doesn’t even need to use his soul
“this kid is too nice. satan is your dad. be meaner, jack”
“this is my cousin, the son of the devil, who uses his magical godlike powers to right the wrongs of the world. i am the child of gabriel, the angel who explained shirt to people, and i use my magical godlike powers to manifest a never ending supply of shrimp”
“are we SURE i am not lucifer’s child?”
Gabe: nope kiddo you’re mine
Gabe: this sarcasm-fueled trashbag is my daughter and i love her very much
they go cop tipping on weekends which is where they flip over cop cars
you know those posts that talk about Gabe being Jesus’ dad? That
Eleanor: i’m sorry the FUCK do you mean JC is my BROTHER
Eleanor, five hours and a panic attack later: are there any other famous siblings I should know about????
Gabe: well we don’t talk about Rasputin
Sam: i’m sorry WHAT
she never meets soulless!sam which is good because pre-death Eleanor and soulless!sam would have been like. ponzi-scheme and bounce to bermuda with the money types
Crowley proposes to her once a month
also the height difference between her and her brothers is VERY important and hilarious
she’s yelling at Sam about something and Dean picks her up and stands her on a table so she can be eye to eye with him
#supernatural#dean winchester#sam winchester#castiel#the good place#eleanor shellstrop#chidi anagonye#gabriel supernatural#my stuff#sorry it's just getting funnier#OBVIOUSLY this is not a john winchester positive au
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Wrestling With Love
Summary: Tahani catches Jason and Eleanor wrestling for the last Hot Pocket and has no idea how to react. Eleanor picks up on her out-of-character awkwardness and decides to help in her own way.
Anon: I love you’re writing! It’s exactly the lightheartedness we need right now! If you’re up for it, could you do one for The Good Place where Eleanor tries to get Tahani to loosen up and let her know that she doesn’t always have to be prim and proper if she doesn’t want to? Growing up in a less than affectionate family, the concept of horseplay and tickling is very foreign to Tahani, and Eleanor is happy to show her that she can be both and elegant lady and a giggling mess whenever she wants
Eleanor skidded into the kitchen, her cactus-print socks slipping frantically across the hardwood. She’d heard the ultimate transgression taking place in her own home, an unfathomable crime that only one man would have the audacity to commit.
“Mendoza.”
“Hi, Eleanor!” Jason waved.
“Unhand the Hot Pocket.” Eleanor pointed an accusatory finger and strode forward. Jason continued to tear open the package.
“What? Why?”
“Because it’s mine!”
“But it’s in the kitchen?”
“Exactly. My kitchen. Which means it’s mine.”
“But I don’t see your name on it. Aren’t you supposed to write your name on it?” Jason turned it over in his hands, earnestly searching for Eleanor’s name. She knew he was being genuine, in his sweet, dumb, way, but that was so obviously a challenge.
“Last chance!” Eleanor made a show of stretching and bouncing around.
“No.”
“...no?” Eleanor stopped.
“I found it, so it’s mine. Florida rules.” He nodded, as if the rule made sense.
“We’re not in Florida.”
“We’re not?” Jason’s eyes widened and he clutched the Hot Pocket in fear.
“I—okay. Last last chance. Hand over the Hot Pocket or I’ll be forced to unleash my wrath.” The threat came out more like an elongated sigh as Eleanor pinched the bridge of her nose.
“Let’s wrestle for it! That’s how I used to settle things with Pillboi!”
“Alright, but I have to warn you, I will probably kill you.” Eleanor assumed a vaguely karate-like pose, but it looked more like she had a leg cramp she couldn’t shake off.
“You may try,” Jason beamed.
“3, 2-”
Eleanor took off, launching herself at Jason with a war cry. He toppled over with an armful of angry, writhing blonde. He maneuvered her beneath him, sprawling over her like a weird throw blanket, and she could feel the air slowly being pushed out of her. A classic move, but no match for an Arizona dirtbag. Eleanor employed her personal favorite technique: poke until the person quits.
She jabbed Jason in the arms and shoulders, delighting in the little grunts of pain he made. One of her pokes caught his ribs and he squeaked, slapping her hand away.
“Oh?” Eleanor smirked, poking him again. A giggle slipped past his lips before he could stop it.
“Tickling is cheating!” Jason whined, rolling off of her and trying to protect his torso. She followed him, and when a pinch to his side made him laugh outright, she lit up.
“I don’t think so, bud. It’s not my fault you’re ticklish.” She wormed her hands past his arms and wriggled her fingers into his stomach. Jason fell into giggles, kicking his legs, but still held tight to the Hot Pocket.
That was alright. He’d give it to her eventually.
“Eleanor!”
“Yes? I’m listening.” She buried her hands under his arms and he squealed, trying to shove her away with one hand. He held the Hot Pocket as far out of her reach as possible, but his arm was shaking, and it was only a matter of time before he handed her the prize.
“What are you two doing?” Tahani poked her head around the corner before coming to hover in the doorway.
“I’m absolutely destroying Jason in a tickle fight.” Eleanor grinned down at him, just a smidge drunk with power.
“Why?”
“Because I want the last Hot Pocket.” Eleanor furrowed her brow.
“Couldn’t you talk things out? Reach a diplomatic agreement for both parties?” Tahani flinched when Jason squealed again. Eleanor’s fingers searched for a surrender under his arms, and it was only a matter of time until he gave in. Was the Hot Pocket easily accessible with the way Jason had curled up? Yes, but it was about the moral victory.
Chidi would be proud. Probably.
“Tahani, babe, there is no peaceful way to decide who gets the last Hot Pocket. It always ends in blood—or in Jason’s case, laughter.” Eleanor wiggled her fingers in the air over him, giving him another chance to willingly surrender, but he flipped the two of them over and grabbed hold of Eleanor’s knee.
“Hey! Tahani, hehelp!”
“Jason, cut it out. Release her at once.” Tahani assumed her ‘stern voice’ and straightened her posture. Jason didn’t even blink in her direction.
“What’s the magic word?” Jason sang, pinching at Eleanor’s knee like there was no tomorrow.
“Please?” Tahani tried.
“Nope! It’s hot wings.” Jason beamed.
“That’s...two words. It also isn’t much of a password if you just tell me the answer.” Tahani raised an eyebrow. Jason hooked his fingers behind Eleanor’s knee and she kicked, muffling her frantic laughter in her hands.
“Okay, try and guess the new password.”
“Is it—Is it hot wings, again?” Tahani chuckled.
“Yep!”
“I’m dying!” Eleanor wheezed, pushing her heels along the floor to scoot away. Hot Pocket forgotten, Jason pulled her back and tickled her stomach, laughing along with her. Jason wiggled his fingers in the air before darting down to squeeze her sides, and growls permeated her next set of giggles at the role-reversal.
“Do you wanna help?” Jason gently pulled Tahani’s hand until she kneeled next to Eleanor.
“N-No! No helping!” Eleanor pointed a shaky finger at the two of them. Jason rolled his eyes and affixed his hands to her ribs, giggling at the way she would try to curl up. Tahani experimentally ran her nails over Eleanor’s knee and she yelped.
Oh?
Tahani scooted over, brow furrowed in concentration, and hiked Eleanor’s leg into her lap. Her fingers skimmed curiously over the denim, dancing in various swirls and lines to pull the sweetest music from Eleanor. It felt like learning guitar after learning to play piano--you knew all the sounds, but your fingers would trip when met with strings, rather than keys.
She knew what tickling was, of course, but to enact it? Her only reference points were films and Jason’s guidance. With the way Eleanor was cackling, though, it seemed like she was doing a decent job.
“Counterattack!” Eleanor squeaked, reaching up to quickly tickle Tahani’s stomach. Tahani made a tiny noise of surprise and flinched away, hands flying to cover her face. When the attack didn’t persist, she slowly peeked through the gaps in her fingers to find Jason and Eleanor staring, wide-eyed.
“Why are you looking at me like that?” She silently cursed the obvious waver in her voice, but the way her friends were watching her was downright terrifying. She immediately got the sense that no stern voice would get her out of whatever she just stumbled into.
“My dear, sweet, giraffe. Have you been holding out on me?” Eleanor scooted close with an objectively evil grin.
“Sorry?”
“You will be.” Eleanor pulled Tahani close, scribbling experimentally at her stomach. Tahani peeped--quite literally peeped--and wrinkled her nose with a smile.
“For the record, you’re infuriatingly adorable,” Eleanor grinned, wriggling her fingers into Tahani’s sides. She yelped and fell into loud, melodic laughter, eyes wide as if startled by her own volume. Air fled her lungs far faster than she could replenish it, and she snorted around her next batch of giggles.
“Do that again.” Eleanor’s hands stilled.
“Absolutely not.”
“Please?” Eleanor looked at her so earnestly that Tahani’s breath caught in her throat. If Kamilah--or worse, her parents--had heard her make a noise like that, she’d be the laughingstock of every event for months afterward. But Eleanor didn’t have the sneer that her family usually wore, only an amused smile and soft, genuine eyes.
“Even if I wanted to, I can’t just...do it on command.” Tahani averted her eyes, cheeks pink, but she could still feel Eleanor’s piercing gaze on the side of her face.
“Oh, I can help with that.” Eleanor started up again, much more gentle than she was with Jason, and with each twitch of her fingers she asked an unspoken question. Each pause between scribbles and waves of pokes inquired if Tahani wanted to stop, but...she didn’t. Eleanor’s playful attitude was so contagious that it inspired Tahani to not self-destruct when she snorted again and again, like a giggly, broken record.
“I wish you’d laugh like this more often,” Eleanor sighed, pained, but she didn’t relent--she just kept giving Tahani little windows to flee. She just gripped Eleanor’s wrists and laughed with reckless abandon.
“I really shouldn’t--Eleanor!”
“Why not?”
“I-It isn’t--” Tahani’s voice got stuck on her laughter before her barely-coherent sentence had the chance to leave her mouth. Every time she tried to speak, more giggles and titters floated out of her in place of words.
“I have no idea what you were gonna say, but the fact that you couldn’t finish means it didn’t matter. Besides, there’s no need for, like, a presidential speech. Normal people laugh, Tahani.”
“I’m not normal!” That wasn’t all that she’d intended to say, but all her coherent thoughts were fighting and losing against another round of snort-filled laughter.
“Are you kidding? The only thing not normal about you is how cute your laugh is! You sound like a princess! Ignoring how angry that makes me, you are as normal as anyone else.” Eleanor squeezed her sides and Tahani squealed, then groaned. Eleanor couldn’t help but laugh with her.
“Noooo,” Tahani whined, hiding her face in her hands.
“Yes. I bet even the Queen of England has snorted once. You can be all snooty-” she dragged out the ‘o’ while poking Tahani’s stomach- “and have fun.”
“I promise that there’s nothing unladylike about making your friends laugh. It’s the only skill on my resume, which makes me a professional, which also means that you have to listen to me.” Eleanor tugged Tahani’s hands away from her face and brushed her hair away from her eyes.
“Repeat after me. I, Tahani Al-Jamil…” Eleanor raised her right hand. Tahani just watched her with a silly smile until Eleanor rolled her eyes and raised Tahani’s hand for her.
“I, Tahani Al-Jamil….”
“....have the world’s cutest laugh.” Eleanor beamed.
“I am not saying that.” Tahani tried to cover her bashfulness with an indignant huff, but the grin on her face undermined her attempts.
“Well, it’ll be a lot harder to say laughing, but I respect your desire for a challenge.” Eleanor nestled her fingers just behind Tahani’s ears, taking her by surprise. Before she could even hope to fortify her composure, she crumpled into Eleanor’s arms. High-pitched, screamy giggles erupted from her poorly covered face as she tried to turtle her way to safety.
“Alright, my laugh is c-cute! Cut it out already!” She swatted in the general vicinity of Eleanor’s hands but she missed every time. Eleanor slowed down, smoothing and tucking Tahani’s hair with light fingers just to hear a few more whispers of laughter.
The crinkle of a wrapper shattered the mirth-charged air, and two pairs of eyes turned to watch Jason dispose of the Hot Pocket packaging. The empty Hot Pocket packaging, to be exact.
“I was hungry.” Jason shrugged, completely oblivious to the murderous look in Eleanor’s eyes. Tahani could feel the simmering rage emanating from her, and if it wasn’t for the familiar way that Eleanor’s fingers were twitching, Tahani would have feared for Jason’s life.
She still did, but it was less likely that Eleanor would have the patience to kill him with laughter versus, well, a stranglehold.
“Tahani--”
“On it.” Tahani helped Eleanor to her feet. Jason’s eyes widened and he bolted, already giggling, with his friends hot on his heels.
#my fics#the good place#ticklish!eleanor#ticklish!jason#ticklish!tahani#Eleanor Shellstrop#jason mendoza#Tahani Al-Jamil
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Initial LOKI thoughts
I have said here that I was not that excited about LOKI as WANDAVISION and TFATWS. I did not wake up early but I had a work meeting today at 2:30 and I thought it was Eastern time but it’s Pacific time do my schedule is all fucked up snd I have three hours so I was like, “fuck it, I’ll gonna watch Marvel shit.”
Before I get into the episode, I will talk a bit about the press tour. I love press tour shit. I don’t know why. I watch the interviews on YouTube and they always seem so painful. Randos asking the same question over and over. (Take a drink every time, Tom Hiddleston stalls by saying, “that’s a really good question...”. It’s not a good question.) Some of the Marvel people are A+ at a press tour (Mackie, Bettany, Hemsworth, Waiti, Downey, all pop right into my mind. Oh Rudd too, he’s got s very easy charm). WandaVision press was fun because Bettany was dialed up to 11 as a troll. And Mackie went in on how boring SebStan is for TFATWS.
I feel like the LOKI press tour hasn’t been as fun. But it’s possible the silly videos that take more editing aren’t up yet. I really want to do a dumb game. I love dumb games instead of serious questions. Like when they quizzed Kathryn Hahn on MCU stuff and she knew nothing but would just, once told the answer, do another take where she got it correct.
Mostly the press has been showcasing how smart Tom Hiddleston is. And he is. Quite charming too. I remember during an Avengers related Hiddleston panel at Nerd HQ he started speaking French and Zachary Levi (who was then Fandral) was like, “fuck this! He speaks French too!” Those kind of interactions are fun for me and it’s a bit sad they are all alone in their own houses.
One thing I LEARNED from the press tour that the tumblr Loki stans must have known forever is that Loki really was supposed to die in THE DARK WORLD. They played it straight. And it was only later in reshoots they had him take over for Odin. And I think that is... a mistake. Because they talk about “Loki’s redemption arc” and I never really thought he was fully redeemed, except that he sacrificed himself so MAYBE Thor could buy some time in INFINITY WAR.
I had read THE DARK WORLD as him having learned nothing and manipulated Thor, banished Odin and didn’t really care as much as he said he did about Frigga. Because of how it ends. I think they should’ve kept it and maybe had Hela bring him back in Ragnarok or something. Idk. (And I was legit ANGRY that Frigga was killed for so little payoff. I am still angry she was frigded but was slightly molified by the scenes where he looks at her and ACTS. APPRECIATE FRIGGA MORE.)
Anyway, the episode. “Glorious Purpose.” A reference to @allofthefeelings’ hilarious glorious porpoise costume from many comic cons ago, I suspect.
I was excited to see Pillboi from “The Good Place” aka actor Eugene Cordero, the guy who doesn’t know what a fish is and has all the Infinity Stones. Get him a gauntlet so he can remake the world. I bet it’d be funner.
I am really loving Wunmi Mosaka, the Hunter who arrests Loki. She has such a commanding presence. And I love that this badass enforcer of the TVA is a lady, and a lady of color no less.
I didn’t like when Loki had her in a time loop. The question was if he enjoys hurting people. In that moment, I thought the answer was yes. But the script would have us believe no. I would like for him to really convince me of that no by the end of the series.
I thought Hiddleston did a good job of acting against the CGI images of Loki’s life. I love some good alone in a room acting in Marvel. It’s pure imagination.
Do we have bets on who the killer Loki variant is? Everyone on YouTube seems to be saying Lady Loki. I think it’d be fun if it were Kid Loki, honestly. But I might be thinking of my Young Avengers. Kid Loki would probably also not be that tall, in the final scene. Old Man Loki is also a possiblity. There were rumors that was Grant’s character, I think?
I always want things to subvert expectations but the previous shows never really did.
#Loki#marvel#glorious purpose#spoilers#Loki spoilers#press tour#wunmi mosaku#gugu mbatha raw#owen wilson#eugene cordero#pillboi#tom hiddleston#loki laufeyson
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You may be done procrastinating, but the TOG Good Place AU, aka what sounds like the best AU setting ever? 🥺💝
Ahhh, I’m really excited about this one, actually, and I hope I actually do finish it--I’ve gotten further in it than most of the WIPs on my list, so someone should hold me to it (nicely).
Basically, the TOG crew all finally die at once (the world for nebulous plot reasons no longer needs its immortals) and end up in The Good Place, post s4 but pre-finale, and each of them ends up being buddies with one of Team Cockroach as they learn whatever philosophical lesson they need. Nicky and Jason, Joe and Janet, Nile and Tahani, Andy and Eleanor, and Booker and Chidi. I’ve actually 99% finished Booker’s section and I’m pretty deep into Nicky’s, but the others just have some stray paragraphs here and there. :)
"Listen, Nicky, I gotta drop some wisdom on you." Jason hops backwards onto the railing, legs dangling almost to the sparkling edge of the surf, as he looks down at Nicky's face. "When I was an alive human and not a ghost, I got in trouble a lot. But the thing was, I never meant to do bad stuff. It was just how stuff worked in Jacksonville, like if somebody steals your boogie board, you gotta suck all the gas outta their Pinto. Or like, if somebody sets your dance spot on fire, you gotta fill their motor home with alligator babies. Or like, this one time, in Jacksonville, this fifty-cent shrimp place wouldn't give me a job on account of 'you can't do whip-its on the clock, Mr. Mendoza' and 'why did you bring whip-its to a job interview, Mr. Mendoza,' and—"
"I understand," Nicky interrupts him, although in over a thousand years, he has never heard of whip-its.
"What I'm saying is, later that night, me and Pillboi broke into the shrimp restaurant and did a bunch of whip-its and then? We set it on fire." Jason's face goes uncharacteristically serious in the light of the endless afternoon sky as he looks out over the water. "I didn't know there was the manager still in the back counting money. I mean if I knew there was money, I probably woulda just robbed it instead of setting it on fire. But… I never told the cops that it was me who set that fire and hurt that guy. 'Cause like, I didn't mean to, so it's not my bad. But then I died in that safe and I came here, and I was like… oh, dip! Things doesn’t work like that everywhere, that's just Jacksonville! Maybe that <i>was</i> my bad.
"And it really messed me up for a long time… like, probably two Jeremy Bearimy. But then the manager guy from the shrimp restaurant got here, and I was like, 'yo, Pillboi, we gotta tell him that was us,' and Pillboi was like, 'you're right Jason,' so we did, and he was like… 'that was a long time ago and you obviously did work on yourself so thanks for apologizing,' and then I bought him a frozen yogurt. He got shrimp flavor.
"But what I'm saying is, you obviously did work on yourself and your stuff was a long time ago, so maybe you gotta forgive yourself. And get yourself a frozen yogurt if you want." Jason nods, a sage on high in his Jaguars jersey. "You're a cool dude, Nicky Genovia. You should be nicer to yourself."
An ancient knot eases slightly in Nicky's chest. "You're a cool dude, too. Perhaps you make more sense as a partner for Janet than I initially thought."
Jason's chest puffs again with pride. "Uh, yeah, dawg! Janet's got what I don't got, and I got what Janet's missing. Together we can solve every problem, even when The Judge wanted to blow up Earth, or when Michael's human suit got shrunk in the wash and he had to be a fire squid for two days and squashed a bunch of buildings, or that time—"
"Huh." Nicky, not for the first time, wishes he had been awake when it was his time before this Judge. Why me? he would have asked. Why only five of us? Why did you think that I deserve Joe?
Jason jumps down from the railing and kicks a spray of sand. "Janet knows about the stuff, and I have the feelings. That's my superpower like Janet's is knowing everything that ever happened. And sometimes we have what might be sex, and it's weird."
"Does Janet really know everything that's ever happened?" Did she see the first time I killed Yusuf? Does she know the hate I held in my heart for him and the terror when he rose again? "Surely her memory only extends to the date of her creation."
"Janet knows everything about everybody." The note of pride in Jason's voice is unmistakable. "So I asked one day, 'Janet, did you know about the shrimp restaurant when you met me?' and Janet was like, 'of course I did, I know everything about you,' and that really got me in the heart muscles. Janet knew my worst thing I did, and still was like, 'oh dip, Jason Mendoza is dope, I'm gonna love him for all eternity.' So then I was like, whoa… Janet is really smart, and if Janet thinks I'm good enough for that, then I must be."
Yusuf's face floods Nicolo's mind, and he smiles at the sparkling white crests on small waves rushing towards their feet. "Yeah."
"So basically, I think you should ask Janet if you're a good guy, if you're still not sure," says Jason. "Or maybe Joey, 'cause he seems pretty smart, too."
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I do think we should have seen more of Simone towards the end of The Good Place, more than just her glorified cameo at the dinner after everything was resolved. She had a rather large role in the series, possibly the largest supporting cast member outside of the Demons and Judge. Unlike John and Brent from the season four experiment, who were more plot devices for the scenario than distinct characters, Simone had her own role in the show at large stemming from season three. She had a relationship with the characters and a history that we’ve seen part of.
I would have liked to have seen her immediately after the end of the experiment, where she is told she was right and something was going on. Does she reject that as well, since we’ve seen her reject the presented reality on several occasions? Does she accept this and immediately dive into asking the Big Questions? A middle ground?
If we can’t see her there, how about in the actual Good Place after she gets in for real? How does she react once she gets there? Does she retain her memories of Chidi in life and the afterlife, or only one set? We saw how Tahani’s parents reacted when they first arrived and how the experiences had changed them, it could have been similar. We saw Donkey Doug and Pillboi each interact with Jason in multiple scenes, she could have gotten the same.
It’s one of the few real absences in the finale.
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The Good Place headcanons even though no one asked:
Eleanor:
We stan a bi QUEEN
It’s basically canon she got so much justice
On Earth, Eleanor hooked up with people of all genders
In high school she had a girlfriend
People called her a freak but she just didn’t care, Eleanor Shellstrop was not meant for being in the closet
Her parents weren’t okay with it, which made her close herself off from other people even more
She took her friends to Pride every year though
Once found out a guy she was dating was a homophobe, dumped her drink on his head, and completely went off
(This actually earned her Good Place points)
Absolutely had a crush on Tahani when she first arrived
She was mean to her in a sort of “I like you and I’m annoyed with that” way
Out of all of her relationships, she’d never had one as special as the one she had with Chidi
Chidi:
Cishet but a STRONG ally
100% supportive of Eleanor’s bisexuality and of the rest of the group’s identities
Fought for LGBTQ+ rights at some point in his career
His best friend on Earth Uzo was also bi and got a lot of heat for it
One of the reasons Uzo and Chidi remained such close friends was because Chidi was one of the only people who accepted Uzo for who he was
Eleanor 1000% dragged him to a Pride Parade at some point, whether it have been in the Good Place or on Earth
Tahani:
I’m gonna go with bisexual
Tahani’s definitely been into some women, but up until she met Eleanor, she repressed it
Eleanor is Tahani’s role model for many reasons, one of them being that she showed her that being bi is okay
Kamilah was definitely a lesbian but never came out because she was terrified of their parents
After the art exhibition moment, Kamilah realized that being herself was more important than keeping her parents’ favors and came out as gay
Obviously Tahani was completely supportive and it helped them bond more
On Earth, Eleanor was the first person Tahani came out to
(Eleanor was incredibly excited that “now if you ever want to hook up, we can!”)
Then it was the whole group, who embraced her in a giant hug
Finally, Tahani called Kamilah
They cried over the phone together for an hour
Jason:
Jason’s a toughie but I’m gonna go for pansexual
Probably mostly only hooked up with/had relationships with girls
But him and Pillboi 👀
Jason never really comes out to anybody because he’s just so open about all of his thoughts
He doesn’t really understand the concept of hiding his identity because why would he do that? It would just make him sad
Everyone loves Jason please protect him
Janet:
Janet is pan and non-binary
The amount of times she said “not a girl” like are you really gonna sit there and tell me that she’s not
Janet never really understood the concept of sexuality until she met Jason
Since she doesn’t really see gender as being something important in a human being, once she unlocked the ability to feel romantic/sexual feelings for humans, it wasn’t exclusive to just men
Jason was Janet’s first love, so she’ll remain loyal to his memory for many Bearimies to come
Michael:
Michael is bisexual and FtM
(Firesquid to Male)
((Guys I’m so fucking funny))
He wasn’t really attracted to any humans until he landed on Earth
One of his main goals was to appreciate all earthly pleasures so you know our guy is going to experiment with relationships regardless of gender
When Michael was first trying out human suits, he tried a female one and it just felt very wrong
The male one fit him so much better and he was happy to remain in it for the rest of his existence
Being a human male just felt Right
Other headcanons:
Even Shawn would never be homophobic/transphobic to any of them, that’s evil beyond all understanding
Shawn is aroace by the way
The Judge is straight but still such an icon
Eleanor did get to make out with Frida Khalo on the condition that Chidi could with Patty (but he backed out because he got too overwhelmed) (Eleanor did not lmao)
Jeff the Doorman doesn’t care about labels or relationships, he just cares about his frogs
The entire squad went to a pride parade together and had so much fun
Michael was very excited because he got a free dad hug
Pride was among their best memories together in the Good Place
#matt’s posts#the good place#lgbtq headcanons#eleanor shellstrop#chidi anagonye#tahani al jamil#jason mendoza#janet the good place#michael the good place#shawn the demon#bi eleanor shellstrop#bi tahani al jamil#pan jason mendoza#non binary janet#ftm michael#pride
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2020 Creator Wrap
2020 Creator Wrap: Favorite Works
Okay, okay, I know I’m late with this but the incredibly sweet @irolltwenties and the utterly delightful @anthrobrat were both kind enough to me in this bad boy and it seems really fun, so here we are!
Rules: it’s time to love yourselves! choose your 5 (or so) favorite works you created in the past year (fics, art, edits, etc.) and link them below to reflect on the amazing things you brought to the world in 2020. Tag as many writers/artists/etc. as you want (fan or original) so we can spread the love and link each other to awesome works!
According to my AO3 statistics page, I wrote just over 100K of fiction this year, across 17 different fandoms, a few of which won’t actually go live until after the New Year because they’re part of a gifting collection that hasn’t been revealed yet... Anyway, I picked my faves for a variety of reasons, listed briefly after each link. If you have any questions about works I’ve shared (or just in general) feel free to ask!
1. Front Row at the Gongshow
The Pacific, 16K, Rated G
Andrew ‘Ack Ack’ Haldane/Edward ‘Hillbilly’ Jones
Aside from being the longest completed work I produced this year, this is also the first fic I’ve ever written using the “found document” format. While there are parts of it I feel really conflicted about, I’m still incredibly proud of it and think it’s one of the better fic I’ve written...possibly ever. Which is doubly funny because I don’t usually do modern AUs of period fiction, but the hockey angle was enough to tempt and lo, here we are, lol.
[Excerpt from Deadspin]
"You all remember Eddie Jones, right? The corn-fed captain of the New Orleans Rougarou so wholesome he belongs on a box of Malt-O-Meal? The gentleman bruiser who spends his free time playing country tunes for kids with cancer?
Our favorite dapper D-man led his team to 97 points last night in a shut-out victory against the Los Angeles Kings, clinching a playoff spot for the first time in franchise history. Oh! And he also got caught on camera at the after-party, sucking face. WITH A DUDE."
2. Entremets
Hannibal, 8K, Rated E
Will Graham/Hannibal Lecter
I have...so many Hannibal fic that I’ve started writing and haven’t finished because all my ideas lead to long plotty epics and also big name fandoms scare me. I did this one up for Eat, Drink, & Make Merry, and I’m really, really pleased with the way it turned out, considering it was my first foray into establishing new character voices and also a successful exercise in writing explicit content, which can be a bit of an Ordeal for me, so overall I’m incredibly happy with it. Plus! My deep and abiding love of writing characters cooking/eating/otherwise dealing with food finally paid off!
“The pâté was supposed to be more of a gesture,” Will explains, spreading a golden sliver of honeycomb out across a slice of sopressata with the blade of his pocket knife. “You don’t actually have to eat it. I’m not even sure if it’s any good.” He smears a healthy dollop of chȇvre across his meat-and-honey concoction and pops the whole thing into his mouth without ceremony.
“What better method exists by which to convey one’s appreciation of a gesture than to indulge it?”
3. An Ode to Matty Big-Time
The Good Place, 2K, Rated T
Jason Mendoza/Original Male Characters, Pillboi
This one was actually a request made by my very dear @thesummoningdark, who wanted to see some bisexual Jason per that one fantastic Tumblr post about how everyone in TGP should be bi, and I’m really, really proud of the way it turned out. I love writing comedy and I very rarely get to lean into it as hard as I’d like, so delving into the whole wild craziness of Jacksonville, as explained in the show was really fun. I also love writing original characters, and this was a great excuse to indulge.
“We probably shouldn’t do any butt stuff,” Jason warns, with as much gravitas as he can muster. “I had two of Stupid Nick’s Disaster Buckets when I got here.”
“Yeah, your face is still kinda orange,” Mateo agrees fondly, bringing his other hand up to brush his thumb over Jason’s lower lip. It stirs a little frisson of heat in his belly that Jason is 68% sure isn’t just indigestion. “No chemical burns, though, so I think you came out on top.”
4. This and Who I Used to Be
The Tick (2017), 3K, Rated G
Arthur Everest/Superian
Another new fandom I haven’t written in before, this was a fill for the Rare Male Slash Exchange that turned me on to a pairing I’d never even thought of before I wrote it and am now low-key obsessed with. It is also, to date, the ONLY Arthur/Superian fic on AO3 at all, which is a cool weird honor and fairly indicative of my life’s goal to eventually write my way into smaller and smaller fandoms until I come out the other side with original works. It was really fun to explore these characters, and to figure out some world-building for Superian’s backstory that fit within the tone and established canon of the extant Amazon!Tick universe. Also featuring an original character that nobody asked for but I’ve come to love unconditionally.
Arthur glances down to where Superian has one cheek pressed against his shoulder, humming something off-key and unintelligible with his eyes closed. Arthur sighs. “Let’s get you inside.”
He hauls Superian in until he can prop him against the wall while he shuts and locks the door behind him. When he looks back over, Superian is smiling at him, soft and lazy. He swings a finger in Arthur’s direction, a broad, sloppy motion, and announces, “I knew you’d say yes.”
“Technically I said fine,” Arthur rebuts. He gestures down the hallway toward the kitchen—which leads on to the bedroom, as Superian well knows—and sighs, “Come on. I don’t know what those handcuffs did to you, but you should probably lie down and have a glass of water or something.”
5. Rain in Its Season
Band of Brothers, 12K, Rated G
Edward ‘Babe’ Heffron/John Julian
Oh boy. What to say about this one. It’s maybe not as polished as I might have preferred, but I feel that way about mostly everything I write and at the end of the day I do really love what I managed to do with this piece. Written for the Heavy Artillery Rare Pair Exchange, I managed to lean heavily into both my love for needlessly granular period research and original characters, which are abundant herein. Frankly, based on the very little we see of him in the show, Julian himself is practically an OC, but I digress. This was another of the longer pieces I’ve ever finished and I’m proud of it even if I’d’ve liked to write another 15K or so, time constraints notwithstanding.
“Tell me. Please. Why’re you here?”
Babe flinched, gaze dropping to the floor. His heart was a raw, swollen welt in his chest. He swallowed and licked his lips, slow and pained.
“Come on, Julian,” he rasped, low and quiet. “You know why.” He laughed, soft and hoarse, and shook his head, once. When he looked back up, Julian had taken a careful step into the center of the room. His eyes were very dark, his mouth very red, hope and fear warring in his every feature. Babe fisted his fingers in the cotton sheet underneath him, halfway to pleading as he insisted, “You gotta know.”
Julian sighed and came over to hover at the edge of the bed. Babe spread his legs to accommodate the intrusion.
“That was - ” Julian started. His voice failed midway through the protest, and he swallowed, took a breath, and regrouped at a lower volume. “You said that was just buddies, what we did over there. That it didn’t count. That you didn’t want it to.”
The TL;DR of this all being that while I didn’t write as much I wanted to this year in terms of volume, I feel like my quality has been improving consistently and hope it continues to do so into 2021 while I try to finish out some of my years-long WIPs and get into longer completed pieces.
I’m not sure who all to tag, so I’ll say @thesummoningdark, @blahblahblahclintnickiscanon, @thisbadge, @incognito-insomniac, and anyone else who’d like to join in and hasn’t been tagged yet! (If you’re the latter, feel free to @ me so I can see what you’ve written!)
Happy New Year everyone May the fanworks you create this year be prolific and soul-affirming!
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The end of your afterlife
I loved this ending so much. Sure it was a little sad but all endings are a little sad.
But they all got to have enough time for all they needed to do. To be with all the people they wanted to be with - family, friends and those who they loved. And Janet will remember it all like it always happens from the beginning to the heat death of the Universe.
Jason was first to realise he’s done. He got Donkey Doug to be his dad. He got Pillboi and his dance crew. He got all the Bearimies with Janet. And he finally played the perfect game of Madden. It was all he needed to do. It was time to go. It was just that the final steps took a thousand Bearimies to make. He who always got distracted by everything finally found a space to just be until there was a friend to follow to the beyond.
Chidi was the next to pass through. He stalled for Eleanor as long as he could but she finally noticed he was ready to go. It took her a moment and few desperate attempts to keep him but she realised she can’t make him stay. The hardest part of the Final Door isn’t going through it but the fact that the people you care about may go before you. It’s also knowing that you’re departure will make those you leave behind sad. But staying is also hurting and they both knew this is the kind of thing that makes a Good Place Bad.
Eleanor could follow until she finished her goals. She was always the one who figured out what was needed for everyone - from system change to the Door - and anyone - making sure she didn’t leave anyone she cared about unhappy. She couldn’t go until she knew everyone she cared about got the best possible life (and afterlife). She made Mindy agree to leave the Medium Place and find her own friends. She got Michael a life. Selfishness might have defined her in life but her afterlife was all about bringing happiness to others. The girl from Arizona who saved everyone.
Tahani seemed to find that inner peace second. She learnt how to do everything she wanted perfectly. She made peace with all her family and friends. She did all she wanted to do. But then she realised that one wasn’t quite true. She has always strived to be the best event organiser in existence and there was only one way to do that - become an Afterlife Architect. She’s the only one not walking through the door because her work is not done.
I don’t know if she’ll do this forever but I think she may become the last human. The one to makes sure everything is cleaned up and put back in place after the last guests leave. The perfect hostess.
This was the life Michael lost interest in. He used to dream about being and Architect but after designing the whole system just making Test Neighbourhoods didn’t really do it. In the last final judgement he was allowed to become what he so admired - a human. He got to go and live a life and do all the things he dreamed of - from saying “But it’s a dry heat” to “Take it sleazy.” He can even finally take the Door once he’s ready someday.
And maybe even that was Eleanor last gift. The people coming through the door becoming part of the Universe amplifying that Little Voice that makes a man deliver junk mail to neighbour and making his day.
#the good place#tgp#jason mendoza#chidi anagonye#eleanor shellstrop#tahani al jamil#michael realman#janet#michael#chidi x eleanor#tahani the architect#michael the architect#janet the ai#michael the good place#janet the good place
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Ode to a 6,000 Ft. Fire Squid
"Yo, how much longer?" Jason pants. "My arms are getting sore."
"Jason, we are literally going to hell," Michael says, struggling to keep the irritation out of his voice. Jason means well. He's just worried about Janet. And he's the only friend who's never doubted Michael (he still can't get over the look of doubt in Eleanor's eyes. That she, of all people, would doubt him).
"But can't we, like, take a magic elevator or something? I thought hell was suppose to be down?"
"That's not how it works."
"Aw, dip."
It's only Michael, Jason, and poor goopy Glenn on this empty stretch of railway. As much as he loves Jason, the kid's not his first pick for Bad Place infultrating companion. That would be Eleanor or Janet. Janet for her steadfast knowledge, Eleanor for her emotional support. Well, Eleanor used to be his emotional support. Now he's not sure any more.
Michael doesn't have a heart, but if he did, it'd be beating like crazy. The last time he was in the Bad Place, he nearly destroyed himself. Willingly, too. He remembers Eleanor, standing in the blue glow, the fear and confusion such a strange look on his one time foe's face.
How could he be so afraid of the place he'd once called home? Maybe because it never felt like home to begin with.
"Oh, dip, you know waht I just realized?" Jason says with all the subtlty of a Molotov cocktail. "We'd get there a lot faster if there was someone who was, like, 6,000 feet tall with tentacles."
Michael sighs. "Jason, buddy, for the last time, I'm not taking off the skin suit."
"Come on, Mike! It would be the dopest thing I've ever seen, and I once saw a gator on a jetski."
He regrets ever telling them about his true form. From the moment the humans became his friends, he vowed to never, ever tell them. That was the Old Michael, the Demon Michael (never mind that he technically was still a demon. That was one of the 1,785,919 things he tried not to think about). New, Honorary Human Michael had nothing to do with that, except that maybe his skin suit was a little warmer to the touch than the average human's.
But Eleanor, fiesty little thing that she was, hadn't given him a choice. When she barged into his room, demanding he take off his skin suit, he wanted to flee the Medium Place with his tentacles tucked between his...other tentacles (okay, that metaphor doesn't work).
Maybe he should've lied about it, like that time he told the humans "demon" was a racist term. Oh, it was so funny watching Chidi sweat over using that word in his presence. But then he might get in trouble for lying again, and they'd be even madder at him.
Now he half-wishes he'd lied. Jason hasn't shut up about it ever since.
"No," Michael says.
Jason huffs. "Okay, Michael, I know you don't wanna talk about it, and normally I'd respect that--"
"You would?" Michael says.
"--but I need a distraction. It's a long ass trip, and I can't stop thinking aobut what they're doing to Janet."
Michael sympathizes. He also dosen't want to think about Janet's current torture, and unlike poor naive Jason, he actually knows what the Bad Place is capable of.
Michael pinches his nose, digging his glasses into his human skin. "Okay, okay, but nothing about my skin suit. Lemme think...oh, I know! Why was Eleanor so upset that I lied? I thought humans lie all the time--for good reasons, I mean. Like when the truth will hurt. So why did Eleanor...look at me like that?"
It's been weighing on him.
"Look, man, I think it's like this. I told a lotta lies in my life. Like, 'No, Donkey Doug, I didn't frame her with those boagie boards. What's a boagie board?' Or, 'I swear, officer, I don't know how 200 prescription pads got on my dash.' But I always kept it real with Pillboi. He was my boy. You always keep it real with your boys and your girlfriend, and Eleanor's kind of like both to you."
Michael was stunned. He thought he'd been helping Eleanor, protecting her from the Bad Place's schemes and his own miserable shortcomings. It was still strange that he had to relinquish control over their afterlife, whether as a the puppetmaster demon or benevolent whatever he was.
Finally, he says, "She's not my girlfriend, but thanks. I think I understand."
"I don't know," Jason says. "The way you look at her is like how I feel whenever Janet bings into the room."
Michael's angry but he's not sure why.
"No," he says flatly. "She's not."
"Whatever you say, dude," Jason says. He doesn't like the skeptical look on the human's face. Though he should be satisfied that Jason isn't scared of his scowl; it means he's not that demonic in his friend's eyes.
Michael decides to drop it.
"It just hurts. That Eleanor didn't trust me," Michael admits.
"But she trusts you now, right?" Jason says.
"I think so. She hugged me."
Before he left that morning, Eleanor met him in the hallway of Mindy's house.
"Hey, demon buddy," she said, wrapping her arms around his back, pressing her tiny body against his. He let his chin rest atop her head, and savored her Eleanor scent, which for some reason smelled more like nachos than shrimp today.
"Are we good?" she asked into his chest. He wanted to squeeze her tighter, but not in a torture-y way. He never wanted to let her go, even though he knew he had to. Why? It wasn't like that with the other humans, as much as he loved them. Something about Eleanor made him want to hold onto her forever.
"We're good," he said.
"I'm gonna miss you," she said. "You saved my ash so many times running this place."
"Yeah, well. You saved mine."
He loved it when she smiled.
"Homie, that's great!" Jason's voice crashes over the memory. "So don't bug out over it, alright?"
"Yeah," Michael says. So why does he still have this itchy, heavy feeling? It's like he's wearing one of Chidi's too small sweater vests--but maybe that's becasuse he always feels this way around Chidi, or specifically, Chidi with Eleanor.
There's a fleeting moment of silence. Then Glenn gloops. Then Jason opens his mouth.
"Sooo, Mikey," he says. "Since I helped you, could you answer some questions for me? Like squid pro quo."
Micheal hides his face in his hands, unable to look Jason in his dopey, earnest face. He doesn't look up until his shoulders stop shaking.
"Fine. One question."
"Are the teeth on the tentacles or somewhere else?" Jason asks. "What kind of juice? Does it taste weird after you brush your teeth? Can you still wear your bowtie? Do all squids wear bowties, or just demons, cuz I never seen Squidward with a bowtie. Did you ever destroy a city like Godzilla? Can I ride on you back? How does a 6,000 foot fire ma jig fit in a people sized suit?"
Demons shouldn't get headaches, but boy does Michael have one now.
"I fit because demons aren't physical beings," Michael says once Jason pauses for a breath that he doesn't technically need. "We're essence. It's like pouring water out of a big glass into a small glass."
"Oh, dip, I get it," Jason says, though Michael isn't sure that's true. "Now what about--"
"No," Michael growls, "only one."
Surprisingly, Jason doesn't argue back.
"Hey, Michael?"
"Yeah?"
"You know we all still like you, right?"
"What?" Michael snaps his head up.
"We'd still like you even if you were something totally lame like a snow hamster. Actually, that sounds cute. Hey, are those even real?"
"Jason," Michael says.
"Right. Point is, no matter what you are, we still love you, man. Even Eleanor. So don't, like, hate yourself, okay?"
Michael's skin suit feels tight. He smiles.
"Oh, Jason," he says. He hears the hitch in his voice--something that would've shamed his former self. "Thank you."
"No problem, homes," Jason says.
For one blissfully short moment, Michael forgets where they're going, and simply enjoys the shared moment with his friend.
And Glenn.
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The Good Place s03e09 ‘Janet(s)’
Does it pass the Bechdel Test?
Yes, once.
How many female characters (with names and lines) are there?
Four (40% of cast).
How many male characters (with names and lines) are there?
Six.
Positive Content Rating:
Three.
General Episode Quality:
Good fun!
MORE INFO (and potential spoilers) UNDER THE CUT:
Passing the Bechdel:
Eleanor sasses Tahani about her outfit.
Female characters:
Janet.
Eleanor Shellstrop.
Tahani Al-Jamil.
Neutral Janet.
Male characters:
Michael.
Chidi Anagonye.
Jason Mendoza.
Neil.
Matt.
Pillboi.
OTHER NOTES:
How dare they suggest a Lord of the Rings themed wedding is a bad thing.
Eleanor remarks upon how bangable she finds Janet, and I am officially ok with this show’s approach to her bisexuality now. Not for this one comment alone (going in for a simulation-kiss with Simone earlier in the season was also a great help), I just feel like they’ve made the jump from ‘implied but open to interpretation’ to ‘definitely a real thing even if we aren’t seeing her actually hook up with women on screen’. It’s an important distinction, else you end up with a whole lot of queerbait.
Ah, it’s so much more fun when the characters on this show are dead and in the afterlife realm(s) somewhere. I can��t believe we wasted so much of this season on NOT doing this kind of thing. Urgh. I mean, the characters in Janet’s void were more gimmick than plot (and the deliberations on the nature of the self, perfunctory and dull), but I’m always here for Michael and Janet adventures.
P.s. I performed the wedding ceremony for a friend a couple of years ago, and while they did not have a Lord of the Rings themed wedding, the bride did walk down the aisle to ‘Concerning Hobbits’, and it was really, really beautiful. So there.
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found an BIGBOY isopod on the stairs at work so i picked him up and quickly made a makeshift habitat to keep him alive until I can bring him home after work!! I'll put him in my pillboy bin once i get home! 💗
im so excited bc he's super confident and not too shy and im just absolutely smitten w him!!!!
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Weird things about Shawn in S4E8 of The Good Place:
knew about the "Cockroaches” nickname
Included Michael’s first experiment when mentioning his efforts to save humanity
Called Kamilah, Pillboi, Donna and Patty random good people even though a) 3 of them definitely weren’t until quite recently and b) he is not supposed to know about their scores anyway. Back in Canada, he seemed pretty sure that the gang’s loved ones were bound for hell
He isn’t worried about the Earth reboot. Sure, he’s happy that Michael is going to lose his humans, but... so will everyone else. Everyone will be jobless for a long time, and if the next Earth turned out better than this one, there’d still be fewer humans to torture for TBP. Wasn’t his whole deal that he didn’t want to lose souls?*
The first three points make me think that Shawn might have read Michael and Janet’s manifesto, though point 2 implies that Shawn assumes that Michael had been on the side of the humans all along - or maybe that’s how Michael made it sound in the manifesto, idk.
But Shawn happily going along with Gen’s plan is really weird, even more so as I’ve theorised recently that Gen is full of shit. Earlier in the episode, she said that the proof needs to be overwhelming for her to change the system. Then, after she gets enough proof, she threatens Earth. She has a history of acting the bad guy, and then stalling until the gang comes up with something to save the day. And when it’s not her nudging them along with empty threats, it’s Shawn (threat of Retirement made Michael keep trying with his reboots, but once the gig was up Shawn just put him in an empty room). And weirdly, Shawn never gets punished by Gen for sending Trevor down to Earth, or building an illegal portal (was Jeff on break when the demons came through or what?), or sending Chris... Ok, with the latter, Gen made Chidi one of the new subjects, but that was just restoring balance, not punishing Shawn. She’s threatened all of Team Cockroach - including Janet - with the Bad Place at one time or another, but Shawn doesn’t even get demoted?
I kinda wouldn’t be surprised if we saw Gen and Shawn high-fiving at the end of the show because this whole thing had been one big parkour out of hell, and only the higher-ups are in the know about it.
I mean, Janet said in her void that Team C were the first humans to not go directly either to the Good or the Bad Place upon death, a statement that only makes sense if Mindy went to hell and got out, too, though she got stuck in the Medium Place. Which means people can escape hell, but that fact is being hushed up.
*speaking of souls, it still hasn’t been explained why Glenn said they were torturing 30 billion souls in the Bad Place. That number doesn’t seem random. Given what we know about the point system, that it started counting in 200.000 BCE, and the fact that there’d already been 107 billion people born since 8000 BCE, there should be way more people in hell.
#tgp#the good place#tgp speculation#I wouldn't mind hell as a concept as long as the duration and the strength of the punishment is appropriate to the crime#especially if you are eventually able to escape it with the help of other people#what team c went through is a pretty good if overly complex blueprint about how the system should work#maybe it already does work that way#but people need a little bit nudging from god and satan to keep them moving through the food processor
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Jason: Back in Florida we used to tie balloons to our shoes and jump off of garages to see if we could fly. Once pillboi landed on a bin and broke his nose.
Chidi: Do you think that was advisable?
Jason: If Advisable means it was dope then yes.
Elanor: *facepalms*
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The Good Place Season 3 Finale: after-thoughts
*SPOILERS! duh..also it is very long, read at your own discretion*
So, that was a rollercoaster ride of a season. It started with Eleanor finding Chidi, for like the 803rd time, and it ended with Eleanor having to say goodbye to Chidi. After years of getting the soul squad back together, they are all having to face the torments of The Bad Place once again. Can’t they get a break?
Before getting in to Chidi and Eleanor’s storyline, I want to start with Michael, Janet, Tahani, and Jason.
For Michael, he is just the sweetest demon in the entire universe. In the first season, he was not only an evil liar but also hated humans and did not want to do anything else in his immortal life other than to punish the four humans. Now, he literally is doing everything to save the four from eternal damnation while trying to fix the inevitably corrupt modern society we live in today. To me, he truly had the greatest glo-up. I am very hopeful to see Michael return to his Architect position and perhaps solve mankind’s greatest issues. In this episode, it was very insightful to see how he referred to himself as middle management because he technically is. The stress of the pressure of running this universe-changing experiment is insane and the humanity in Michael really showed during the finale.
Janet, too, had a great character arc within this season and throughout the show. She/It (remember she is not a girl!) was merely a physical version of Alexa and now, Janet is almost like the humans with feelings and the incredible ability to throw shade. I do feel bad about the situation with Jason. To be honest, I never really gave much importance to it until the finale. Going in to season 4, I see what the writers did there. They set up this supposedly insane love story between a Floridian DJ and a “Busty Alexa” (Eleanor’s words, not mine) who fell in love hundreds of years ago in literal hell. Now, Janet is going to play a much larger part in the new neighborhood but importantly, she/it is now a human-like member of the Soul Squad and will probably be Eleanor’s source of strength in the upcoming season(s). Woo go Janet!!
Tahani al-Jamil has been through a lot. Just this finale episode alone she was the first to be targeted by the Bad Place and their schemes. It was almost deja vu when she was planning to plant the ‘Marc Fake-obs’ joke on John, but then again, the Good Place reminds us of the evolution each of the characters went on. Though she is a supporting character, I would really like to see her play a bigger part with keeping the integrity of the soul squad together during the upcoming seasons and perhaps find love herself.
I felt kinda sad that Jason Mendoza wasn’t in this episode that much, but his character providing some much-needed comedy relief in all of the heaviness in the finale. I do wonder though why he is back in the monk outfit, maybe to keep him quiet for safety purposes. There must be a secret Schur reason why he is in different garb for this iteration of the Fake Good Place. Like with Janet, I think they are pretty cute together and I need at least some happiness. Also, he is also one of the remaining few to not have an ex or a gossip blogger in the new Good Place yet. It will be interesting to find out. I think it will either be his dad or an ex-dance crew member or even Pillboi.
Okay. Here we go. I just rewatched the episode a few times to not only feel the feels but also to catch any details that the podcast mentioned and I might have forgotten. Without knowing it, the entirety of the show’s plot relies heavily on the unlikely relationship between Chidi Anagonye and Eleanor Shellstrop. Looking back at this season, there were little hints that the writers planted that makes this ever the more heartbreaking.
In 3x08 (Worse Possible Use of Free Will), the entire episode is basically a flashback through cheleanor’s development in Reboot 112, a previously mentioned version in season 2. I was really excited to be fed that day and the subsequent episodes but I just rewatched it again and I noticed that the same type of situation happened again. (yes I know, reboots happen every second in this show) At the end, Eleanor promises Chidi that they will find each other again and that they are true soulmates. Even in the very first episode of season 3, Eleanor comes to Australia to ask Chidi for help to be a better person and the end of season 3, it once again is Eleanor in a doorway meeting Chidi.
A lot of this season had to do with faith and memories. the Janet(s) episode reminded Eleanor, in this case, who she was because she did not remember and Chidi, like the amazing man he is, snapped her back to reality with a kiss and all was well (for a few eps). The sad part is that this time, when Chidi won’t remember Eleanor or any of the gang, Eleanor can’t just kiss him back to reality because he doesn’t even know how much she means to him.
I cry a lot at very emotional things, but this episode was a kicker. It touched a lot of people since 1) the writers are very good and also very cruel, 2) the past few episodes saw a happy cheleanor, and 3) it was all very real in a way. We all have dealt with loss and love. Seeing one person love another and miss another but the partner doesn’t remember is so devastating. In all of the reboots, every one of them forgot everything. The sad thing is only one of them can’t remember the rest and that one is the moral glue that held all of the squad together. And looping back to a previous episode when Eleanor is crying and talking about how she is both happy and sad, she mentions something about love isn’t a sure thing and now, that love that she has been so afraid to give for the longest time was ripped away from her and now she has to watch and take care of the man she loves from a distance.
Going in to season 4, we are steering less towards philosophy and hard factual morals but rather towards the pathos side of things. What it means to be a human in the face of adversity and tragedy is the theme for upcoming seasons. I do hope the slow burn of Chidi finding Eleanor again is not so slow because they truly deserve to be happy in the little dot on top of the ‘i’. I also wish for less reboots now and tears because I never expected a comedy show that makes fart and sex jokes and puns all the time to make me sob over fictional characters but here I am and I don’t regret it.
Gah this whole episode was all too much. The memory video was touching and also very soft. The line that made me bawl was when Chidi said “I am gonna miss you” and his voice cracks, then Eleanor responds “but you won’t” and then “Bye, Chidi”. I felt that. To end, I just want to say thank you to Michael Schur, Megan Amram, and Jen Statsky for this episode and the entire crew for this crazy, funny, smart, and now very sad show that never fails to make my day. Also lots of hugs to Jameela, Manny, D’Arcy, Ted, and most especially Kristen and Will for gracing our screens. By the way, KB and WJH are two of the best actors I know and I love them as Chidi and Eleanor. Ok good night everyone and thanks for reading my braindump about my feelings.
Everything is fine.
#the good place#cheleanor#eleanor shellstrop#chidi anagonye#tahani al jamil#jason mendoza#janet#tgp#my thoughts#yeah its long#i just needed to express how i felt#i regurgitated my feelings#but wow#heartbreaking episode#i rewatched it like 3 times and cried each one
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1. Jason/Eleanor are "soulmates" in one of Michael's schemes AU and 2. Wynonna and Dolls raising baby Alice AU
OH MY GOSH ok I’m going to do these bad boys separately. FIRST THE JASON/ELEANOR AU:
The second they meet Eleanor is like “this is the best I’m gonna bang him” but then finds out he’s a monk and is like “oh H*LL no what a goody goody”. Jason is thinking about whether dragonflies used to be dragons that angered a wizard and he cursed them to be tiny with huge eyes and no fire-breathing for life
Once Jason accidentally reveals his true persona, Eleanor thinks the two of them are like peas in a pod–they play practical jokes on Tahani, set things on fire, watch trash TV, and swap sex stories. (I’m not sure if they sleep together but they probably def make out).
After a while, their dynamic changes: Eleanor suddenly feels like she has to take care of Jason even though she normally doesn’t care what people do (”hey bud, maybe don’t touch the red orb in case your fingers melt” “I know you miss Pillboi, that’s rough man” etc), meaning she becomes less selfish. Jason starts to call Eleanor out on her emotionally unhealthy behavior (”Why are you so mean to Tahani when she’s so nice to you?” “You know, if you were a part of my dance crew, you’d be kicked out for saying hurtful stuff. No matter how good you are at picking locks”, etc) which means he’s becoming more aware.
After Jason proposes and Eleanor rejects him because as hot as he is she’s not in love with him (and lol she has commitment issues), Jason uses Janet as a shoulder to cry on. Because Eleanor is avoiding him (which means she is forced to hang out with Tahani), they spend lots of time together. One thing leads to another, and well–Jason and Janet get married again! (Janet is DE-LIGHTED.)
Eleanor pouts outside where Chidi finds her. They don’t know each other well, but he’s a good person, so Chidi asks her what’s wrong. She tells him about Jason and Janet, eventually blurting out that it feels horrible because even though she doesn’t like Jason, the fact that he doesn’t even “belong” in The Good Place and yet he can still find true love & happiness there when she can’t makes her feel like the worst person alive. Chidi is all “No no, that’s not true, I’m sure you’re awesome–wait, what do you mean you don’t belong here???” She confesses and after a freakout Chidi offers to teach her to be a better person in order to attain happiness because ethically, to keep her from that would be wrong. Eleanor agrees but when she shows up to class, Jason is sitting there because Chidi felt like it would be wrong not to include him! To make things less (more) awkward, she begs her new friend Tahani to join the class and…well, they all become friends again and you know how it ends lol
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okay you said you welcomed salty complaining in your inbox... I am so, so annoyed by this season. I’m annoyed at how quickly it all moved and how so many characters were treated like throwaways, especially Jason and Tahani. I’m annoyed that we’re supposed to believe that Eleanor and Chidi are this grand sweeping eternal love story, without being given the build up for their current iteration. It felt forced, and OOC, and nowhere near as meaningful as S1 or 2. (1/2)
(2/2)And mostly I’m annoyed that yet again, Eleanor is the custodian of her & Chidi’s history. I don’t want to see her struggling with that again. We’ve done that. If I have to watch them fall in love again, I want it to be mutual, & natural, & *earned*. Because at this point, what’s the point of getting emotionally invested in the reboots or the memory wipes? They’re gonna end up together because the show keeps telling us they are. The obstacles don’t have any impact, so they just seem lazy.
OKAY BABE I have to say, once I saw the (½) at the end of your first ask I was PSYCHED because the character limit on Tumblr is too short for anyone to express their SALT.
I absolutely agree that Jason and Tahani were treated like throwaways, which is a shame, because to me, they had some of the best storylines this season. Tahani realizing her wealth is meaningless and she’d rather give it to people in need? Jason concluding his father is a lost cause and sacrificing his own safety to save his best friend, Pillboi? Tahani reflecting on her ineptitude to cheer up her friends and figuring out for herself how to salvage the situation? The whole fucking point of The Good Place is that the four humans represent different aspects of being bad, and by neglecting them, they neglected their audience, the characters, and the actors who played them (and also, can I say, how fucking dare they shine light away from Tahani- inadequacy derived from comparison to a sibling, or to anyone, is an extremely common feeling, and Tahani’s insecurities mirror those of so many young women. They failed to flesh out that story and I will never, ever understand why- the meat of it is so wonderful, and I love seeing it play out on screen, even if it does draw away from time with my favorite couple and two favorite characters)
And Chidi and Eleanor were so, SO FORCED. What I hated was that at the end of the last season, it felt like we were promised a natural love story, starting by Eleanor knocking on Chidi’s door and asking him for help to be a better person and deepening from there. I was so, so excited to see them meet the way normal people do, and fall in love the way normal people do, and if it took them longer to get there, so what? Having them fall in love in a completely different context, in a completely different setting would only PROVE they’re soulmates and that they have a connection that runs so deep, not even the loss of their memories can keep them apart.
But then they just like… randomly threw in the Chidi/Eleanor love story at the last second? Like BARELY any build-up, barely any development, they just relied on our past knowledge of their relationship for the the audience to root for them? Which was NOT okay in my book. I was listening to this podcast about rom-coms the other day, and one guy was saying the best rom-coms are when the two love interests spend a lot of time together so the viewers has an idea of their chemistry, their dynamics, and what their relationship would be like. He didn’t believe in the artificial montages that trick you into believing they’re in love. And oh!!! Guess which one The Good Place did this season? It’s a mark of lazy writing and I hate it. It would be one thing if it were a group of writers whose work I had never seen before, but that’s not the case at all. I KNOW this group of writers can do better, and that’s what frustrates me so much. If they were going to write another love story for Chidi and Eleanor, why not make it an epic one?
And I 100% agree about Eleanor being the historian of their past relationship. My question is… why have a historian at all? Why did they feel the need to toy with the idea of memory? Didn’t they already do that in reboot 802 (Except that was MUCH better because Eleanor didn’t fall for Chidi right after seeing the tape… she slowly realized WHY she fell for him after they spent hours and hours together. Granted, this time they knew each other for a year, but like… they didn’t even know each other that well? Chidi was in a relationship with another woman at the time! And they were restricted strictly to a friendly-ish investigator-subject from what I gathered.)
I honestly want the next time to be natural and earned but I *doubt* that will happen. The stupid Good Place loves to play around with memory, even it they execute it poorly. I am honestly already super apathetic (or more apathetic) about this upcoming season because they love to throw shit in the character’s faces without facilitating any kind of progress. And even their obstacles are never any real danger, they just kind of move from one place to the next, it’s meaningless to me at this point. I just IFSHIA WOW was I disenchanted with this season. I agree the memory reboots are a fruitless effort for the characters and the audience. Sorry this is all over the place! Thanks for coming to rant with me, and feel free to come rant anytime!
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