#ofa prime

[shih-coulda-had-it]

not a holder

#bnha #gran torino #torino sorahiko #shih's art #d-december #NOT A HOLDER; BUT A CUPBEARER #in that the actual ofa users are vessels which are cups #and torino managed to see at least two to the next (nana to toshi; toshi to izuku) #my prime torino thirst will never die

[class1akids]

Another all might vs AFO rematch is so unnecessary and really shows that hori is doing whatever he thinks is "cool" for this final arc and throwing logic and writing out the window. This honestly brings down all mights character for me.

Anonymous asked: I guess quirkless deku could've been a hero, all he needed was an iron man suit apparently lmao. If all might holds AFO back for even a minute, it's going to make AFO look super weak and all the people who had quirks trying to stop him look even weaker. I mean hori built the whole story up as you need a quirk to do hero work and then he just gives all might a iron man suit out of nowhere just to have him fight again? Yeah that's bad writing.

I'll take these two asks together. Admittedly, I didn't read the EN fandom reactions to this chapter, bc I loved it and I didn't want to see the inevitable negativity, but I really don't get why people think this ruins anything.

The manga has spent almost 400 chapter at this point of deconstructing hero society, the Symbol of Peace and I think some things should be abundantly clear by now:

A strong quirk doesn't make a true hero (Bakugou's, Endeavor's arcs)

Saving someone is about reaching their hearts in time, not about beating them down

Quirks and personalities are connected, but the quirk is not the same as the individual (Shouto's arc)

You don't need a quirk to be someone's hero (every person who left little Tenko to wander the streets alone)

Skill, training, tech can all elevate a person beyond the strength of their quirks (Best Jeanist, Hawks' fight after he lost his wings, Hatsume matching the hero kids in the SF with tech, Detrenat, Knuckleduster in Vigilante, etc)

It was inevitable that we'd come back to this question:

When All Might said in Chapter 1 that you need a quirk to be a hero, he was saying that bc at the time he truly believed that everything he was, was due to OFA.

He spent the entire time after losing OFA being "lost and wandering" (just like Shoto, btw) trying to figure out his own place. By trying to teach Deku, by becoming a better teacher to all the students he tried to find a sense of purpose, but basically he lost the ability to see himself as a hero. That's why he pulled back, offered no leadership even after the war, as things were completely falling apart.

It took watching Deku spiral as he tried to shoulder everything by himself and seeing Class A offering support to him that All Might started to doubt the path he was on. Because, seriously - Ojirou, a martial artist with a tail - Shoji - a guy with some extra arms - Mineta - with his sticky balls - all believe that they CAN support Deku, can be part of his fight.

While All Might, with his 4 decades of fighting experience, a huge amount of wealth, access to the world's best tech through personal connections can offer nothing?

It took talking with Stain to realize that there is an entire spectrum of doing nothing and doing everything by himself. And the ideal point is to do what he can.

All Might stepping up has been on the cards since then. We knew he was planning something.

Of course, All Might has earned his retirement. He could be just a living relic of a glorious era. Obviously, even with tech, he's not going to have the godlike powers he did before.

But right now, the end is in sight. Everything is falling apart. He just sent two 16 year olds to run into the core of a ticking nuke on the blind faith they'll be able to do something about it, because it is the ONLY chance. One of his students had his heart explode. There are no heroes left.

All Might KNOWS, he knows better than anyone how dangerous prime!AFO is. But he also knows his personality, his buttons to push. He doesn't have to win, he just needs to delay, and he has a good hunch that AFO won't be able to ignore him. Whatever minutes, seconds he can buy can mean the difference between life or death, victory or defeat. So of course, he will try. Because that's who he is.

Remember - Deku in chapter 1 running into danger with a backpack got OFA because he reminded Toshinori of himself. Quirkless Deku stepping up, acting heroic despite his lack of power made All Might RECOGNIZE himself. Losing OFA never meant he lost his hero heart or instincts - he just lost faith in himself, because he bought into the hero society rhetoric. The scale of what he could do changed, but his heroism didn't.

So that leads us to the last question - is there a place and need for heroes who are less than superman. If there is a Symbol who has the power to solve any crisis by himself, do you even need the lesser ones?

And I think the story has affirmed again and again that yes, people with little power can make a huge difference and heroism comes in many shapes and forms. Also, that no matter how powerful, nobody can get there alone. Everyone needs support. A strong net is more stable than a lone pillar. A person's value or ability to change things is not tied to their quirks.

All Might stepping up is the culmination of everything he learnt and is totally in character for him. Moreover, it's the natural narrative endpoint of everything that the series has been talking about.

He can't win, he'll probably needs someone to save his ass (maybe Stain, maybe Bakugou, possibly both), but he'll also tick away precious seconds from AFO's rewind time and make a difference.

And this is why I also expect Deku saving Shigaraki not be just beating him up with more OFA, but Deku being Izuku should be the decisive factor in it. And also, I personally think Deku losing OFA but learning that he can be a hero without it would be a good writing choice and a good endgame.

HK already drew Deku's quirks as support items - so I think it's not a stretch that he could be a tech-based hero.

As someone who is a huge fan of tech-based heroes operating in the world of super-powers, it is my favourite endgame for Deku.

#c1a asks #bnha meta #all might #toshinori yagi #i would have hated him being rewound to his prime #ofa #midoriya izuku

[gentrychild]

Hi! In Anyone, I'm curious about this: how would it be if AFO and AM never had their final battle? Because I refuse to believe Izuku wouldn't get into a bigger mess now that he has money. Money can solve any problem; if it doesn't it only means you probably don't have enough money. AFO is probably richer than God. Which means Izuku much be unstoppable.

That and I think it would be Funny to see a Stephanie Brown&Clue Master dynamic

You will be disappointed but honestly, you would have the BNHA canon.

Anyone was first defined as a story showing what would happen if Izuku was never chosen by All Might. That's the base on which the story stands.

But the truth is that under this base stands four wooden legs, three of which are broken, which are AFO being sent sooner to Tartarus. Izuku couldn't become Anyone if he didn't have the time and the freedom to invest a fuck ton of time and energy into Anyone. For that to happen, you need Inko to be gone. And AFO's leaving and the money problems it created is the reason why Inko is abroad.

#That's why I am always every time someone asks me what would happen if Anyone!AFO hadn't be sent to Tartarus #You don't really get a story if he is still there in any way #Unless you want to write the Mighty team time traveling to keep AFO out of jail to prevent the Thief stealing OFA and the inner circle #running after them because they want Izuku to be a villain #Which would be extremely chaotic #Also All Might would be constantly coughing blood since he must keep AFO out of jail #Damn Prime Might being punched by All Might to avert a bad future #That would be funny #anyone fic

[rowanwithaz]

Alrighty,I've not really talked about my opinions on the recent chapters,since I've been oh,so busy. But,I wanted to talk about something i feel a TON of people gloss over when speaking on the Black Whip arc.

Izuku's lies.

Izuku lied to Kacchan. Like,this is a very big thing. When we first see Izuku speak on his power to Kacchan,he tells him,like immediately.

I think it's also very telling how he brings up his mother. That just shows how special this moment is,and how much Izuku trusts Kacchan. Izuku seems like an honest guy,he doesn't like to lie,and he probably learned that from Kacchan,who we know is big on his honesty. But,it seems as soon as Izuku gets Black Whip,he lies,freely.

And Kacchan knows he is, but I'll get to that can of worms in a moment. There not being a trigger is the biggest lie of all time. And we know this because Izuku had said in the OFA realm that he, "wanted to catch Monoma."

but,there's a loop hole here. Why? Why did he want to do bad? We already know the answer,he got mad because he talked shit about Kacchan,

but he couldn't just say that. That would make him admit that can't control his heart around Kacchan to Kacchan,which is pretty gay gay homosexual gay. But,Kacchan knows he's lying. He's making the expression that says he has an idea of what Izuku is doing,but probably not why.

Kacchan's Lies.

Kacchan may be on of the more honest characters,but there is one thing he's lied about. And that was his own feelings to himself. He tried to convince himself over and over that Izuku was weak,when in reality,he didn't even believe that. Which we see a prime example of very early on.

(*Kacchan believing Izuku got in without a quirk.*)

And his lying stops when he apologizes. I think this line right here expresses what I've thought about his character.

Kacchan tried to lie to himself and everyone around him,but he could never truly believe what he said. He knew Izuku was strong,just not in the way he was,he knew Izuku had the qualities of a hero,just not in the way he did,he knew and knows Izuku,and never once did he truly believe that Izuku was weak.

Since he knows Izuku,he knew he was lying. But,why didn't he confront him about it? Well,this is kinda sad,and makes sense,Kacchan thought if Izuku wasn't telling him the truth,he just didn't deserve to hear it.

We know Kacchan hasn't been left out on Izuku's secrets,so,I believe that if Kacchan felt Izuku didn't want to tell him something,he believed he had every reason not to. That he didn't have any right to ask him about something he didn't want to tell him. Because,when has Izuku lied before? So he must have thought Izuku didn't want to tell him,and he felt he had no right to interrogate.

We also know Kacchan has been trying to atone,probably because he feels beyond guilty. So,he had not right to demand Izuku tell the truth when he hadn't even told Izuku his truth.

#dekucchan #greenade #dkbk #mha #bkdk #bnha #katsudeku #dekugou

[pocketramblr]

A thought came to mind when I saw this ask about Gran Torino's height. You know how everything in BNHA is from Izuku's narration, as he is the one telling the story from a point in the future? What if the Gran Torino we see is distorted by Izuku's teenage mind seeing someone old so immediately translating him as a frail grandpa.

(Imagine, Pocket... Maybe he does look like his prime self...)

now THATS a creative way to do an unreliable narrator kjhghjkkj can you IMAGINE if all of the weird inconsistences with appearances are just due to being from Izuku's pov? "How did Gran shrink so much?" he didn't, izuku just first saw him as a very old man who seemed to be lying dead in his own blood, then pulled a prank, feigned demensia, and acted generally like a gremlin for the next three days. OF COURSE izuku's gonna be like 'ah, tiny grandpa' even if he's like, maybe as short as izuku when hunched. RG just looks small because of the enormity of ofa first appearing and the rubble around her, then because izuku is used to seeing her next to All Might, who looks giant in comparison. Giran's height is really inconsistent? because izuku's never actually met him and is relaying that info to us secondhand. AfO makes Second look tiny, even though when izuku sees him in ofa space he's not far off third's height? because Izuku's first encounter with AfO was of a terrifying giant who could outpower All Might, and just gets to look bigger than reality after that point on.

#i wonder what else it could mean like #does tomura have more physical traits in comon with Nana that izuku doesn't notice #because he didn't know what nana looked like until long after #so we barely see a bit of the similariites instead of all of them #does dabi look so obviously like a todoroki before the reveal because izukus just like 'oh it was so clear in hindsight' as hes telling it #gentrychild #pocket talks to people

[kitsunefyuu]

This Chapter Climax: MHA 418

We are basically at climax of the war arc as Izuku was able to connect to Tenko. To assure him and show that he is still there for him at the least wanting to help him lost his hatred. It was painful, terrible, he lost his arms but he didn't get up holding his arm.

Because Tenko was crying and Izuku would not abandon him. He knows how important it is to hold a lost child's hand.

It's such a gentle and soft thing to see. He even presses his forehead against Tenko in a loving manner. But even if might be able to let go of his hatred, the thing that kept him going because it the only way to justify why he is like this... He still wants to be a hero to his friends, the other villains.

It's a touching moment, showing how from the villain's side they truly were the underdogs. They were on their own heroes journey just on the inverse side of the broken and the damned. It's beautiful but then a memory that belongs to neither Tomura or Izuku breaks that moment.

It's Kotaro, Tomura's dad looking surprised and smiling at a 'construction' worker. They talk like good friends, he is asked about Tenko and admits still has no powers. Something is very very wrong.

As there is one being that will despise the idea that there is some kind of choice. That you can live like that, listless yet still doing things for others? To allow yourself to become weakened by those around you much less someone that should be your enemy!?

All for One emerges no longer held back by Tenko's will and consumes the boy. Flinging Izuku away with venom as says how Tenko has never made a single decision of his own. Now the true fight with a true villain shall begin.

This chapter honestly has me going mental not just because AFO returned but the fact they were able to humanize Tomura and all the villains. To show they had endured so much terrible truama and yet all the heroes still tried to help them let go of their hatred. The nasty feelings in their heart because they cared, and Tomura moment impressed and brought me joy.

And AFO coming in was expected as it was literally mentioned by AFO Prime that the vestige has a trump card he can use. Bakugou saying he died can also mean he has been reborn. Meaning Hori was definitely planning to activate it now especially now that Tomura is no longer suppressing him. With Izuku no longer having OFA this is actually dangerous at the moment they are in the vestige but who is to say it won't get worse.

Because AFO is the actual true threat as the two hundred year old monster who has been living in debauchery for so long. It makes you wonder how is Izuku going to handle this. His real body it wrecked it was being puppeteer by Blackwhip which he no longer has. There aren't many heroes around as they went him to handle Tomura.

Ain't looking good for our hero, All for One ain't here to give a happy ending and that's why I'm excited.

#MHA 418 #BNHA 418 #mha manga spoilers #Izuku Midoriya #All for One MHA #All for One BNHA #Tomura Shigaraki #FINALLY A CHALLENGE AND ACTUAL DANGER YIPPIE~ HORI DON'T YOU DISAPPOINT! #Yoly's theories #Yoly's Meta

[anti-katsuki-lounge]

Anon complaining about Bakugou’s ridiculous upgrades is so right. First Bakugou gets completely destroyed by Shigaraki, only to magically get revived by his own quirk… ok. You know what, fuck it. Let’s say that was within the realm of possibility. His insane powerup has put him on the same level as All For One. Sure, AFO isn’t in his prime, but STILL… it’s just so out there. Could you imagine ANY other classmate being able to stand their ground (and even catch up) to AFO??? The same villain that nearly made the Bakugou rescue team vomit, and left them seeing VISIONS OF DEAD PEOPLE??? JUST FROM HIS PRESENCE ALONE? His nonsensical powerups are clearly a ploy to put him on the same level as Midoriya, because of course even heavily injured Bakugou is just too good to be stopped by things like pain and.. I don’t know.. DEATH..??? Just make him the main character already.. first he comes back to life, now he’s holding his ground against AFO, and is somehow connected to OFA…

All of this. Hori’s rubbing his Bakuboner to create the biggest Gary Stu I’ve seen

#anti katsuki bakugou #anti bakugo katsuki #anti bakugo #anti bakugou #mha critical #anti bakugou katsuki #bnha critical

[candlecoo]

Let’s Rewind AU: Drift getting kidnapped by AFO seems rather out of character, and you already established that All Might’s Kamiko fight still happens.

Yet, I can’t help but think that if there were ever a time to reveal that he has OFA too, and is STRONGER than All Might was in his prime, this would be it.

News helicopter doesn’t even make it there before AFO has ceased to be a problem.

it would be pretty out of character, but it would be hilarious. I'm just imagining the Dark Souls boss music when Drift appears!!!

#let's rewind! au #candle answers #ask the candle #bnha au #bnha #bnha headcannons #fanart #digital art #my art #art #joke art

[marunalu]

Awwww look at that sad poor puppy! How could you just leave him afo?? 😭

And I know I already made a post about it, but I want to remind you all again that THIS is the very moment garaki talked about of afo leaving machia in the mountains, but till to this day machia doesnt know or understands why! Afo tells him to wait for his successor but garaki confirmed already that this moment happend YEARS BEFORE afo took tomura in and so he has no reason to hide his most loyal follower and bodyguard when his successor isnt even born or decided yet!

So what could be the reason for afo hidding machia years before he choose his successor? Maybe it has something to do with a certain green haired young woman that catched his eyes for whatever reason and the last thing he needed while he was trying to get her attention was his overgrown yorkshire terrier to interfer? Lets all remember that when afo took tomura in at the age of 5, izuku was either about to be born or just a few months old and afo talked about that he wanted to retire! WHY does he want to retire at a time he was at his prime and completly healthy and literally the most powerful man of japan?? Just because he cant steal ofa? And now is all of a sudden fine with dying? My man goes from wanting to retire to being fine with dying pretty fast, dont you think?! Naahh sorry Im not buying it!

He wanted to retire because he found something worth living for (HIS wife who got pregnant with HIS child) and was ready to give his position and dreams into the hands of someone else under the control of his vestige while he can finally have the family life he always craved for and he was SO DAMN CLOSE, till all might showed up and "took that very important thing" away from him and on top gave his son ofa, turning him into his enemy by accident! Yeah, no wonder he hates all might so damn much and why he doesnt care anymore if he gets rewinded into nothing or not! Dude is hardcore suicial right now, because he cant go home any longer and his family will hate him for being a villain!

#bnha #bnha spoiler #bnha dad for one #bnha all for one #gigantomachia #dad for one theory

[pikahlua]

Uh oh Katsuki is just fine

I am pleased to inform you that @siflshonen’s presentation just became required reading.

(It’s missing a section now though.)

Look.

Friends.

Colleagues.

Fellow Katsuki parents.

I know some of you are in mourning right now...and another swath of you are rolling your eyes because you refuse to be fooled. I get it. Wild shit going on this chapter.

But like.

You’re both wrong.

I have some earth-shattering observations for your consideration.

I can’t give you a solid meta (yet) because we don’t have the full chapter (YET...grrr). But. I mean. You should be made aware. We did get quite a lot more than I think many of you realize.

1. Title: “Light Fades to Rain”

So...that’s a reference to chapter 1 if I ever saw one.

Specifically to All Might in chapter 1.

Specifically to the moment when All Might saved Katsuki’s life.

Actually, did you notice...All Might came up a lot this chapter?

...these past few chapters?*

2. What the noumu truly represent

Remember when AFO hinted there was a purpose behind the creation of the noumu?

Do you find it weird that all the noumu created are basically graded on a scale of 1 to All Might?

TomurAFO even brags about how he’s got strength on par with All Might.

And this chapter he asked Amajiki if "he really thinks prime All Might would die from such an attack.”

It’s like AFO’s been trying to piece different people together to...create All Might.

3. Apparently Katsuki is still preoccupied with whether or not he can match Izuku’s pace

It’s not the first time this theme has come up. Not in the slightest.

Apparently, Katsuki’s potentially final thought is: "Can I still keep keep up with you, Izuku?"

Which, first of all, MUST be a call back to the Second.

And second of all, you should already know what I have to say about Katsuki using Izuku’s real name.

We’re basically told the Second’s quirk was activated this chapter.

4. The mask comes off

Katsuki’s mask is gone now. In exchange for...a very bloody mouth.

Like Yagi is prone to, huh.

Weird.

Wouldn’t it be wild if Katsuki, like, kept paralleling All Might in all these uncanny ways?

[/irony]

5. He’s dead?

Look, why would Katsuki have a whole weird near-death-ghosts-link-up experience with All Might’s OFA vestige and lament that he never asked All Might to sign his trading card?

Because Katsuki is about to die?

Maybe.

...

Nah.

But then the only other possibility is that...

All Might is about to die?

6. APOLLO NO

So.

Remember that time I told you guys about how this

could be translated to mean “greatest heroes” instead of “greatest hero?”

I take that back now.

tl;dr

Look, I don’t know exactly what’s happening like to the minute detail. But I have seen enough Dragonball Z to know where this is going.

If I had to put words to it with the caveat that there are still other things that could change this, I would go with:

MHA has been asking the question of how to recreate All Might. One glaringly obvious answer to that is the formula Victory (Katsuki) + Rescue (Izuku) = All Might.

If the Second’s quirk is actually Switch, then All Might’s vestige inside OFA may act as a blank quirk or wild card that can be swapped for anyone “equivalent.”

All Might’s vestige...or some aspect of All Might himself may have just jumped in to save Katsuki (for the last time).

Is Yagi in the real world dead? I don’t know. He could be...hurt...amnesiac (HEROES RISING)...unaffected...I really don’t know.

I just think it’s conspicuous that chapter 1 narrator Izuku says “This is the story of how I became the greatest hero.”

Like...literally? Literally--or figuratively even--became All Might?

#my hero academia manga spoilers #mha 362 #bnha 362 #katsuki bakugou #izuku midoriya #all might #toshinori yagi #2nd ofa user #someone's in danger

[deusvervewrites]

So, I know it has been some weeks since the whole "OFA percentages" discussion, but I just realized we actually do have a possible numbers example for Prime All Might and what 5% Midoriya should be like.

Specifically, Midoriya pointing out that All Might was faster than a speeding bullet.

Modern rifles can shoot a bullet as fast as 1,200 m/s and, given how she increased the speed of her shot at Overhaul, Lady Nagant's shot could have been even faster. Even using that specific number though, and not increasing the number since Midoriya caught up to and went past the bullet, that means 5% at minimum is 60 m/s. Little under a fifth the speed of sound.

20% Midoriya should be close to breaking the sound barrier. 45% should be almost double the speed of sound. At minimum. He should be leaving everyone, including Bakugou, in the dust.

It continues to baffle me how One For All is simultaneously so powerful and so weak.

Midoriya should've been unstoppable a long time ago, barring mistakes caused by a lack of experience.

#asks #meta

[shih-coulda-had-it]

because prime torino is my special blorbo, i think that when he gets blasted to afo and ofa's childhood, he gets a cursory time shield that prevents afo from taking jet. prime torino doesn't find this out at first, because he's incredibly conscious about not letting afo get his gremlin hands on skin. but, like, you can't really justify hugging one kid (yoichi) and only patting the other on the head (mini afo).

mini afo is desperate to get hugged. why doesn't he get hugged. he engineers a situation (now that his brain is off survival mode, nightmare mode activates because he has gathered many, many vestiges from unwilling people) and is pathetic enough to bewilder a half-asleep sorahiko into cuddling him. mini afo latches on, sobbing, and then he tries to take sorahiko's quirk.

except he can't. he has no idea why. mini afo starts bawling.

#bnha #gran torino #torino sorahiko #all for one #shih.txt #oh no it's developing into a real actual thing #good thing i have wip-itis where i absolutely won't manifest this completely #probably should make a tag for this now #idk. suggestions? prime torino and the twins verse? #prime torino and his horrible no good children won't work #because he has too many horrible no good children across too many verses (half a joke. never forget rikiya.) #sorahiko and his shigaraki adoptees au

[class1akids]

Did bakugo just say I can't defeat him by myself at the end of the chapter ?

I think you have to read it together with the panel at the end of the last chapter. To me, it feels like maybe what Bakugou was meaning there: "how could i have ever hoped to beat that?" and in this chapter the answer is "no way I could have done this alone".

I also understand it that Bakugou is not talking only about this last portion of the fight, which was more or less a one-sided targer-practice. AFO's monster form shows all the immense amount of power he gathered - but by the time he faces Bakugou, he's been weakened blow by blow by all the people who fought him (and all the people who supported them like Melissa building the AM suit or the Class B girls working with Mt Lady), and also AFO has been let down by the vestiges. Plus, Bakugou's victory is tied back to Yoichi and Kudou's will, who have started the chain that linked up to this moment.

These are just the events in the final fight that got AFO to the point where he's a child, where he's rapidly rewinding, where he's desperate because Shigaraki rejected him, where the ghosts of the past haunt him to irrational anger, where the quirk factors are rebelling against him. It's a nine-generation fight and a present-day group fight where finally all the stars align to beat him. It's the fight of the people AFO called "extras".

Bakugou simply gets to be the final link, the "killing blow". (Not literally, I don't think Bakugou is killing AFO technically). But that in no way shape or form is meant to mean that Bakugou could have faced him alone when AFO first rewound to prime form and soloed him. Picture AFO as a raid-boss in a video game, Bakugou as the DPS who goes down in the beginning of the raid, gets revived by the healers with a power boost just in time when all the other members of the raid party have been knocked out, and gets to land a final blow (which is still pretty cool because to achieve that, it still needs Bakugou's genius to quickly catch up to his new abilities and coming up with a good plan on the fly with his impeccable battle sense. I don't think just anyone could have done that - it needed a pretty special talent.).

Bakugou - because he was down for most this fight - probably has no idea exactly who contributed or how. He probably has no idea if his friends and other heroes are even alive. But I guess seeing All Might in AFO's clutches must give him an inkling that things went to shit at Gunga and that the heroes were literally throwing every last bit of resource they had at AFO, including the quirkless guy. Bakugou is simply the (last?) piece of the chain - linking poetically from the origin of OFA to OFA growing beyond its users thanks to All Might's Symbol of Peace and becoming not just a literal power-stockage for one person, but an ideal that links all the people together who want live up to those ideals. (Btw, I wouldn't be surprised if in the next chapter, AFO's final demise would connect back to Yoichi in some way. If Bakugou was Kudo's revenge, I think maybe the last laugh should go to Yoichi - in the vestige world - or the Yoichi stand-in, Tomura).

From Bakugou's perspective, last time he tried to stand up to AFO alone (in Shigaraki's quirk-erased body), he got dissed and badly beaten and died. He knows he had to be rescued, revived and he couldn't do it by himself (self-exploding sweat notwithstanding).

I think this is simply an acknowledgement of how at that point he was looking at it wrong - because of course nobody can beat this guy alone, and also it doesn't even matter. The important thing is that they can do it all together if everyone does their part. So I think Bakugou is now maybe at the point where he finally lets go of the idea of measuring his own heroism mainly through power-scaling lenses of his own quirk. Because Explosion is stronger right now than ever. And even at its strongest, it's nowhere near the level of AFO's accrued power. But Bakugou can still win, because he can unleash his power and AFO can't. It's about Bakugou's idea of the "perfect victory": trusting your allies, playing your part, connecting the chain and trust that someone will have your back when you are in trouble. It's also about acknowledging people who helped you, who taught you, who made you stronger (this is something Deku has always done, but we barely ever see it from Bakugou who used to believe that he alone was hot shit).

That's literally the theme of the entire endgame. Nobody gets a win alone - not Izuku, not All Might, not Bakugou, not anyone.

Some of the execution was not great, but I'm fairly certain this is the point HK is trying to make - everyone was essential. Bakugou never could have done a 1 v 1 against AFO.

And on the other hand, that's the villain's downfall. In the PLF war, it was the bonds the LoV built that saved them. But AFO's possession of Shigaraki left those bonds in a sorry state, left the LoV scattered, each member fighting only for their own goals.

#c1a asks #bakugou katsuki #bnha 409 #bnha manga spoilers #bnha meta #afo

[theuntamedangel]

It just struck me when rewatching MHA.

A: How is it that we were never really shown how the quirkless people were treated in the MHA verse. yes Izu was a minority of the human population who were born without any quirk We did get to see how he was treated. So is it safe to assume that normal/regular/quirkless people also got the same treatment as Izu? In my utmost humble opinion, Izu should NOT ONLY be the force of change in the hero society but also be a major representative of the 20% of the human population who were quirkless. I dont know how this could have been executed but I feel like this is a major point the series completely overlooks. How do the quirkless people feel about Izu being the chosen one to inherit not only some quirk, but a quirk that was once wielded by All Might himself? This specific quirk carries tons and tons of weight and responsibility to it. How come we never saw any of these being played out?

B: The hero society is an institution that has caused harm to even the hero society itself. I'd like to talk about Enji Todoroki for this matter. His lust for power caused him to walk down a dark and sinister path, one that was detrimental not only to Enji himself but to his entire family. He saw marriage as a means to an end just as he viewed HIS OWN CHILDERN as a means to an end. This backfired so badly that Dabi, his life's biggest failure came to bite him in the ass and it this further caused some major cracks in the trust in the already existing crumbling hero society. All because Enji wanted to surpass All Might. When the secret of OFA was revealed, when we came to know that OFA is an ability that is actually something that is passed down and is inherited, didn't Enji feel anything to this at all? Didn't he feel betrayed at all? Not one bit? Didnt this revelation make him realise just how stupid he was and how his actions lead him to his broken family? If anyone should have been highly affected by the OFA revelation, it SHOULD HAVE BEEN ENJI because all of his actions leads to him wanting to be better than All Might. I've a better question: how come AM NEVER ONCE questioned Enji's actions and behaviour towards his own family? Never at any point do we see these two heroes sit down and have a heart to heart conversation about ANY OF THIS?AM, ''the symbol of peace'', had NOTHING to say to a fellow hero, Enji, who was reeking havoc and unrest in his OWN family life. Am i the only one who sees this or am i a complete buffoon and an idiot?

C: I know I'm beating a dead horse at this point but in S6, GT was the suitable, PERFECT and prime candidate for death. Instead, we got a cheap ass death about Midnight which really goes nowhere. Lemme explain. GT had important relations not only to Izu because he trained him, but he was also an important part of Nana Shimura's life and as we all know, she is Shiggy's grandmom. If you connect the dots, GT as a character has more prominence and relevance as opposed to Midnight. She's just was dominatrix (i hope I've spelled it correct) and existed solely for sex joke, because she is only a woman. His death would've been an ultimate and a PERSONAL blow to Izu because not only is he Izu's mentor but also has extremely close and personal relations to both the heroes side and the villains side. Him dying and making him rethink and regret the decisions he had taken which led him up to to this point would've been a great character send off. To add salt to the injury. Midnight's death was treated like it was nothing, again, who cares about women dying in the show? they exist solely for fan services after all.

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Alrighty guys. It’s time once again for me to discuss AFO and his “feelings”.

First and foremost: it’s quite disappointing how many fans discount anything to do with AFO. There’s some unbridled anger that seems to be derived from a love for another character(often Tomura/Tenko) which is a shame because these people are missing out on some amazing context clues, possibly on purpose, because they don’t want to acknowledge the possibility that AFO isn’t a one dimensional villain.

At the beginning of MHA, the same could be said of All Might. He seemed to just be a one dimensional hero until we started to get his backstory. That’s when he became relatable and no longer just All Might, but Yagi Toshinori. AFO is supposed to be his antithesis, so it would actually be strange if AFO didn’t have something that made him relatable as well. For All Might, it was a student teacher bond and the experience of him having lived a life as a Quirkless individual(like Deku).

AFO is evil, but how does one become evil? Is an individual born that way or does circumstance cause them to embrace something that is considered evil by everyone else. Prime AFO(the now regenerated original AFO) has spoken briefly about why he does things and it seems to point in that sort of direction.

In the flashbacks to AFO and Yoichi, AFO makes excuses for his actions as bringing “order”, an obsession reiterated by TomurAFO. When speaking to his brother, AFO never states he is evil. He even makes it clear that what his followers have done wasn’t by his own hands, so there is no blood on them. Obviously, we know that isn’t really true, but the man is trying really hard to make his brother, and perhaps himself, believe it is true. What’s interesting is that AFO has embraced the title of “evil” in the present time. What changed between the past and now? Hmm….

With the excellent flashback Hori gave us in the last issue, we are presented with a sad AFO. So much so, that the tears don’t stop even while he kills the 2nd user. Just through art, there’s a fury there. One so deep, that AFO is eerily calm. The most dangerous he could be. Why is he crying? It’s fairly obvious: the only thing that could invoke such an emotion in the “Demon King” would be the death of his brother. Though long ago now in terms of the MHA manga, the one time we get a hint of humanity from AFO is when he states that he loves Yoichi. A being like him loving anything is already quite a feat and, of course, there’s been both outer and inner dialogue concerning his brother ever since. AFO considers OFA itself as “little brother” and his obsession with taking it back means a lot in the story.

This is because, for a villain that wants to rule the world, the only power that could counter him is OFA. However…he’s obviously allowed every prior OFA user to transfer the power, even though he killed them all(except the 4th if I remember correctly). We can theorize that he may not have known very early on with 2nd and 3rd and even 4th that what is left of Yoichi resides within the power, but he attempted to take the power from Banjo and En. It is those interactions that seems to have propelled him to the ultimate plan of molding a body with hate so strong he can overpower OFA’s will. AFO allowed the users to give the power away before killing them as doing so otherwise would “kill” what was left of Yoichi. It would be incredibly easy to just kill these users WITH OFA still a part of them as that would take away the ultimate threat to his desires. But we know there’s another, deeper desire: AFO wants Yoichi.

Now, let us again reference Darth Vader, the character that is obviously, in some ways, an inspiration for AFO.

Darth Vader was considered the ultimate, badass villain ever…before the end of Empire Strikes Back. Fanzine fanfics, fandom talk, and etc, in the early days of Star Wars shows this. However, Empire Strikes Back does something many regular viewers miss: the mannerisms of Vader, as much of his emotion is derived from body language, shows the viewer that there is much more behind the mask. After revealing Luke’s parentage, his son is able to escape, even with all of Vader’s plans in place. With the Falcon escaping, Vader attempts to reach his son through the force and his words hold a weight that fans at the time may have been confused by. There’s a want there. He is desperate. He’s begging. After the Falcon hits light speed and escapes, Vader’s mannerisms in front of the window of the Executor speaks more volume than words: he can’t believe it. He lost the only thing he has left of a wife he loved so much he gave up his humanity. He turns away then back. Then we have Admiral Piett, expecting to be force choked out of existence, but Vader’s sadness causes him to not even care. It is this introduction of emotion from an otherwise terrifying villain that started to cause the fandom to rethink this character. Mind you, there was nothing else besides this other than the novelizations.

Little things like mannerisms can mean a lot in the long run for villains. With AFO, we are shown his tears, the crying purposefully highlighted by Hori reversing the usual shadowing of AFO’s eyes to shadowing the lower half of his face instead. Hori wants you to concentrate on AFO’s eyes. He wants you to internalize AFO’s tears. They matter.

Now, harking back to my statement about what “makes someone evil”: Vader fell to the Dark Side because he wanted to save someone he loves. This love transformed into obsession and possession as he continued down the black hole of the Dark Side. Anakin was already about Order, but it became an obsession as Order would mean that he had CONTROL over everything around him, something a once slave boy would need in order to mentally survive. The Jedi Order gave him that, for a time, before he became jaded as the love he felt for his wife was considered abhorrent.

So, was AFO’s idea of Order and desire to rule just a whim? Or did he experience an insane upheaval of humanity when Quirks manifested? There was no Order and it probably affected the brothers as they tried to survive in a world turned upside down. Although there is obviously selfishness behind it(same as with Anakin), AFO still tries to rationalize his reasoning as being a means to create Order in the world. However, his brother knows him intimately, as a family member, and can parse through his brother’s words. For someone that probably made Order an excuse for all his actions, this would be quite annoying for AFO.

But why does he readily call himself evil now? Because “good”, because “heroes”, were why Yoichi died. The idealism of them already turned Yoichi against him with what he considers foolish, but it was also vigilantes, heroes in their day, that took Yoichi away from him and filled his head with more idealism. It probably caused Yoichi’s death. With tears presented as such, we can easily accept that Yoichi’s death was not purposeful, but probably a, what AFO considers, symptom of this heroic idealism. So what is one to do when they believe this is why their loved one died? Especially if they can’t accept the fact that their own decisions caused the death in the first place? Blame the heroes. And what is the opposite of the hero? The villain. AFO takes on the mantle of evil, not because he just wants to be evil, but because it’s the opposite of the ideals that caused his brother’s death.

I’m hopeful, especially with this flashback, that we’ll get more of the brothers’ backstory and also a better understanding of why AFO became the Symbol of Evil he is now. I feel that revealing it and examining it would fit more with the messages of MHA than the usual Shonen fair we’re used to.

Thank you for coming to my TEDtalk.

EDIT: In case people missed my post about it…I often do theory dumping when I’ve had a “bit” to drink. So, yeah, you are partly reading the drunken thoughts of a nerdy person.

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Part 1:

later All for one reveals that from time to time he still dreams of All Might's face coming towards him with his insides out, revealing the order of events all Might lost his stomach before crushing AFO's head

From now on the information about the fight decreases a lot, but we still have interesting things

In chapter 130 we can see All Might's aftermath and discover that he was out of the picture for a while, in addition to having confirmation that Gran Torino fought against AFO as well, and of course the breakdown of All Might and Nighteye's partnership

Here it is interesting to note that All Might was probably not telling the truth when he told Izuku that he asked for the fight not to go public, it was probably the hero commission that made the fight not go public, since All Might did not could have prevented the fight from reaching the public since he was in a coma

in chapter 357 All for one has a small flashback of All Might in this fight

but it doesn't add anything new

and recently in chapter 396, All Might says that at least since AFO's fight with Nana, he always starts fights with a long-range attack, so we have confirmation of how he started his fight with AM

Now come the questions and doubts that are still in the air about this fight

Firstly, where exactly did it take place? It's not just any place that a fight of these proportions could happen without the entire planet's media noticing, second how exactly was AFO located? the guy is a true master at hiding and running away, so as he met All Might, it doesn't make sense that he would have gone after All Might to steal the OFA since he was prepared by Tomura precisely to do that , and third, how exactly did he manage to survive, escape and still be presumed dead?, at the end of the fight All Might is right in front of him, the police the doctors whoever got All Might out of there, simply left the body behind of the man who opened a hole in number 1's stomach, this is very strange, I consider that ignoring such an important struggle for the work, at least until now, was a mistake

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