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quick note as someone who's experienced something very similar in another fandoms: whether you hate the cheating plotline or not, it's difficult to say it's ooc. especially for Seb, because we've seen a lot less of him than we have Big Red.
I think it was ooc for how it seemed the characters were going. but really, a lot of their personalities (especially Seb, again) were created by the fandom.
the similar experience I had is that we found out a character, who was engaged, was married from years prior and never divorced the spouse or told the current partner. so many people were outraged about how ooc it was, but some people reminded the fandom - we don't actually know that much about him. and what we do know matches with this
like I said, I don't care if you like the storyline or not. and for the way I personally view the characters, I think the kiss itself was ooc but the way they dealt with it was not (the guilt and ignoring it). but truly, we've created images of these characters in the fandom that are just that - in the fandom. I like those images, but we can't base the characters' standard off that :)
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I'M SORRY THEY TOOK THE P I A N O??!?!!!?
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IT'S BEEN F O U R Y E A R S SINCE HOMECOMING????
Not just the length but also the anniversary in general 😭
I just. Gosh xd
HSMTMTS mean so much to me. And if I remember correctly, episode 5 was the first episode released after I started watching (we watched the first four in one night lol). Seblos were one of the first queer couples I'd seen in a show I watched. HSMTMTS is pretty much the best and most accurate show out there for theatre kids. And it has so many queer characters lol. Not to mention, of course, amazing music.
It just means so much to me, and I miss them all so much <3.
HAPPY FOUR YEARS SINCE HOMECOMING!!!!
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if glee's the way it is. . . and the hsmtmts fandom's the way it is-
listen there's just a curse on high school music shows lol
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Nini left the same way as everyone else :')
They all left to Born to Be Brave <3
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I didn't have time to create something but!! For HSMTMTS Appreciation Week Day One: Favorite Character, I wanted to make a post about how much I love Seb and Carlos :D. And a bit of everyone else too!
First of all, the older I get the more I relate to Carlos lol. The more I'm being the leader, the decision maker, and trying to be the bridge between students and adults.
And, because of the same thing, the same goes for Seb! I'm the "innocent" one, the one who's always nice, and sometimes I'm just so frustrated when everyone's being negative but I'm trying to make the best of a situation. I feel like Seb is definitely like, the one who's looking on the bright side for everyone else (even when he's frustrated too).
And it's crazy because that's so similar between them. Trying to be something for everyone and getting shut down for it. They're so different, but they somehow have so much in common :'D.
Oh, and the fact that they're just one of the couples? Listen, I love queer stories that address the tougher issues we deal with, but sometimes I just want to watch teens be teens. The most we get in that direction is their fears, like "I'm the fool who thought eh would dance in public with me" and Seb saying Carlos doesn't have a lot of options. We get to see them go through their own challenges, just like the other couples, and I love that so much <33 :'D.
Also they're adorable together and they love each other so much thank you for coming to my ted talk :')
Anyway lol, about the Wildcats as a whole, there's a reason I was having so many feelings as I finished rewatching season 1. They're all so at odds and crunching against each other in the beginning, but there's just this shift. It's not one specific moment, but it's the small different ones of seeing everyone relax and let themselves have this family. Let this family have them. There's not a specific time I can point to, they just weren't family one moment, and they were the next :'). And even through all the drama, that's still true. I really think we're gonna see it more in Season 4, despite everything with the movie. They'll come together eventually, no matter what :).
And they're all so unique! They all have their own skills and personalities, and they're amazing on their own, but again, they're at their best when put it together.
I seriously love all these characters so much. I love Carlos and Seb with my whole heart. But I love all the Wildcats :').
And one more thing y'all. We're all here, maybe for the last time together. Let's make the most of it 🥰
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it's being scared of "over again" hours again
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AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HE'S BACK!!!! MY BOY SEB RETURNS!!!!!!! AAAAAHHHHHHHHHH 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️💔💔😍🥰🥰😭😭😭❤️❤️
I'M NOT OKAY THANK YOU
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"It's like a real Real Housewives episode" I KNOW WE KNEW IT WOULD HAPPEN BUT COME ON I HAD HOPE 😭😭💔❤️
I'm not at all prepared for this thank you <33
"A fun little test for Carlos and Seb" FRANKIE WHAT DO YOU MEAN FUN WHAT PART OF THIS IS FUN (just kidding I love angst but like 😭)
Y'all I am so ready and so not ready for this season xD
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AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH EJ!!!!! :DDDDD HE RETURNS TO US!!! MY BOYYYY :DDD!!!! I LOVE HIM VERY MUCH 🥰🥰🥰!!!
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Hey guys! Time for HSMTMTS Appreciation Week Day Three: Favorite Quote/Scene/Original Song/Performance! I honestly don't think I would be able to pick for both of those, but I'll at least talk about one of my favorite quotes (if I try to talk about anything else this will most definitely be late, because it's midnight in 8 minutes, so we'll see - or maybe I'll make another post sometime lol. Coming back here with an edit from later in the post: yeah it's past midnight lol. Ignore that - I'm sure for other people it won't be xD).
And that quote is: "And now we're all here, maybe for the last time together. For some of us this has become. . ." "Family."
LISTEN OKAY!!!
XD Yeah, maybe a stereotypical quote, but it's always the first one I think of when I think of HSMTMTS quotes. It's just so relatable to almost any theatre kid, and I totally feel it. Especially given that this is in 1x06. At the end of the year before last, my amazing theatre teacher left. And last year, our musical was cancelled, shortly before we lost one of our members. I know that fear. During my rewatch, it hit me how much I did, when EJ said "I'm sorry no one will get to see you play Gabriella" (something like that). And that specifically relates to ANOTHER experience lol. My first real musical was High School Musical. I was cast as Sharpay, and I was so excited. COVID killed it, and after months of waiting and trying, we performed it on Zoom.
So I just feel this scene so much. They all have no clue what's going to happen, they're angry, they're upset, they don't want to lose this. And they're just barely starting to come together as a cast. But they know. They know that they're family. And it's right after this quote that they decide to do something about it.
And it brings me back to how much I love the Wildcats (guess I'm going to talk about that every post this week lol). They truly are a family, and seeing it from in Season 1 is just so special. And even though they keep going from here, and keep growing, this quote is the moment we know. The moment THEY know. That they're a family, and they're not going to give up on each other. Despite how different they all are, and despite their different opinions and emotions in that moment or all the time, they're not going to leave or give up. And I just love that, so, so much :').
I don't know if I managed to find all the words I wanted to there, but yeah lol :'). Now, since it's past midnight anyway, I will actually talk about the other options for today a bit lol.
Again, I could never truly pick a favorite of any of these lol, these are just examples of some of my favorites.
Favorite Performance: Stick to the Status Quo. Is this because of Seb? Maybe, who knows. But seriously xD, it's so good. The dancing, to AAHHH GINA'S BACK!!! AND SHE'S AMAZING!! To SEB MATTHEW-SMITH SLAYING THE HOUSE DOWN!!! It's just so good xD. And it's at the point during the show where they're all still having a good time, not switching roles and losing their minds yet lol. The amount of times me and my sister would be watching YouTube and see if in the search history and just. Look at each other. And immediately watch it again xD. It's just so epic.
And, this could be a point for or against it, it does make me feel some feelings (besides love for my babeys). Related to previously discussed crazy theatre happenings lol. It's kind of a bittersweet thing for me, just feeling a tiny bit off "I never got that". But it's worth it lol.
Favorite Scene: Honestly I genuinely don't know what to put for this lol. I want to put SOMETHING specific, even though this is probably harder to pick anything close to a favorite than any other category, but still lol. Okay, I thought of one lol. Yes, it includes a seblos moment, but shush, I can do what I want lol. Anyway! Carlos welcoming Ashlyn to the queer community :'). That entire scene lol, with EJ coming up after that and supporting Carlos, and then SEB!!! MY SEBLOS REUNION!! AND A KISS!!!! It's just such a good scene, I love it so much :'D. Like, seeing Carlos welcome Ashlyn and give her the pin :') - especially considering it like 100% definitely for sure confirmed it <33. And then seeing a bit of Carlos's insecurities, but EJ reminds us of that Wildcat love in saying that he doesn't have to do anything he doesn't want to do :'). And then Seb, showing up and being the cutest ever, and Ashlyn looking so happy that he's there, and Carlos seeing him, and just aAH!! I love them all so much <33 😭❤️❤️❤️🥰. I love all of those mini-scenes in one scene so much :') :'DD.
Favorite Original Song: Oh my gosh, I love them all xd. Okay, here are a few of my favorites (but it's a lot of them lol): In a Heartbeat, Born to Be Brave, Second Chance, and You Ain't Seen Nothin'. But honestly those are just some of the ones that get stuck in my head a lot or I listen to a lot lol.
In a Heartbeat: the perfect Seblos song. Also Ricky just. Being there. Always makes me die xDD. But seriously, it's SO CUTE, and it's a BOP (and Frankie's voice is amazing)! But seriously it's perfect for Seblos, like I said, and it's just so sweet :'). I have literal records (like in documents where I talk about it lol) of me freaking out over In a Heartbeat lol. It's perfect <33. Also, don't even talk to me about the homecoming suits sequence ❤️❤️.
Born to Be Brave: The icon of the series. I mean, clearly, since (SPOILERS) the last episode is named after it. Honestly if there's not a reprise of it I may riot /hj. But seriously, it's such a cute and empowering moment between Nini and Kourt, and of COURSE it's also empowering on Carlos's side :'D. And as someone who loves just dancing crazy however I want with my friends at dances? Yeah :'). Love <33. Anyway, it represents such big moments in multiple character arcs, and I just love it so much :')). Plus, again, it's a BOP!! And the ACOUSTIC VERSION!!! Don't even get the started on that :D.
Second Chance: THIS SONGGG!!! It makes me feel so many feelings 😭😭❤️. It's such a great summary of all four of their character arcs, and the VISUALS!!! They just kill me so much. Everyone back in their episode one outfits 😭😭💔❤️. And it back to the core four, especially knowing Nini's pretty much done :'(( ❤️. Honestly, I really want a song similar to Second Chance for everyone at the end of Season 4. I know we probably won't get it, but just- flashbacks to everyone's first outfits (honestly I'd take/love flashbacks in general 👀 but the point here is like Second Chance lol), everyone getting a part. And oh my gosh, if they all had individual lines? Like the little phrases the core four have in Second Chance? I don't know how that would even work (four overlapping in Second Chance works but everyone would be a LOT lol o.o xd), but it would be so cool. Anyway, Second Chance makes me so sad and nostalgic but it is SO GOOD!! It hurts but it hits xD. I just love it so much <33.
You Ain't Seen Nothin': This one, like I just said, just hits xDD. It's a BOP!!! And the video call format of it is really cool :D. But honestly, everyone gets their own part (as I saw pointed out in the comment section of it once lol, it fits everyone's voices, like Belle), and it's so upbeat and GOOD and just AGH!! I love it so much. It also accidentally makes me feel a bit of Feels™ (we're not worrying about that phrasing right now), because happy/"yeah let's make them most of this"/"we do amazing things and we will do amazing things" songs do that to me sometimes lol, but still. It gets stuck in my head SO MUCH!! Like the other songs I feel like are more appreciated/iconic than this one, but it just STUCK to me. I don't know why, but I don't care xDD. I love it <33. Also, it brings together everyone from the episode really well, just like the calls did throughout, but with music :D. And again, it's just so uplifting :). And also again, I love it <3 ❤️🥰🥰.
Also, special shout-out to the beginning of Here I Come for getting STUCK in my brain!! It's just. OUAGH!! Not that I don't love the entire song, but there's something about that beginning 👀. And also, again, the Wildcats loving each other gives me feelings xdd <33.
Anyway!! So those are some of my favorites of all those lol. This got pretty long, but I should expect that by now lol. I do hope y'all enjoyed seeing me freak out over a bunch of HSMTMTS scenes (and such) for 10 paragraphs though lol :). It's pretty much how I roll xD.
But yeah! I am so excited for Season 4 :DD. Just two days, people!!!
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Hi y'all! Looks like I'm going to continue doing character analysis lol. So, it's time for HSMTMTS Appreciation Week Day Two: Favorite Dynamic
Now, my favorite dynamic is seblos. And I will talk about them a bit, but I talked about them yesterday, so I wanna focus on some of the others :).
First of all, Ricky being besties with anyone heals my soul <3. He's just such a good friend. With Big Red, with Carlos, with Nini when they weren't together (think season 1), with everybody really. Also, @phoebenpiperx wrote an amazing fic about his friendship with Seb this I totally recommend, and totally believe now as well.
But anyway, about Big Red, for example. They're like, the most supportive besties ever. They tell each other all the tea, they're always there to cheer each other on (BATB auditions, the fact that Big Red joined crew accidentally just because he wanted to be there for Ricky, etc). And one of the moments I love the most is Ricky coming after his breakup with Nini. Big Red just immediately gets up and hugs him. Also, an underrated part of their friendship is how they manage to make each other laugh. Like Big Red in 1x05 when he starts pretending to be Gina. I just- honestly I love them so much <3.
Not to talk about another Ricky dynamic lol, but I love his dynamic with Carlos! And the thing I find really interesting, is it kinda reminds me of his and Gina's dynamic. Not dating, obviously, but think about it. In season 1, Ricky and Gina have a special connection in the beginning because they're both outsiders. Carlos and Gina have that same connection, explored with the co-choreographer thing in season 2, but it's a bit more tumultuous (thinking of 2x04). And Ricky and Carlos do as well. I've never spent too much time thinking about it before, but it's interesting. Of course, all of the Wildcats are outsiders to some degree (that's kind of how theatre is lol), but it's definitely highlighted in the way these three interact with each other. And yet somehow, those three relationships are all completely different. It's SO good, and it's how you know the writing is good.
Lastly (besides a bit about seblos), I wanna talk about Kourtney and Seb! I seriously love their relationship :D. It's just so cute 🥰. And theatre family (Kourtney being Seb's mother lol) really can go deep lol. I've consistently called someone my ex-husband for a year (as in "Hi ex-husband" "Hi ex-wife"), and that show didn't even go on lol. Also, their friendship gave us the wonderful "Seb was struck by lightning" information, which is lovely xD. Now one thing I personally think exists in their dynamic, but we don't really see, is being "side characters". Like, not literally, and Kourtney has definitely been getting more and more focus (as she should!!), but more in their lives. Kourtney as costumer, Seb as accompanist. Kourtney as Nini's best friend. And as I mentioned yesterday in my last post, I see Seb as kind of "the positive one". And sometimes that can be isolating. I'm not quite sure how to explain what I'm thinking here lol, but I hope it's getting across. I just think they have kind of a commonality in stuff like that. Also, I'm pretty sure they're gonna be sharing the bond of Sharpay soon (as in technically we don't know Kourtney is Sharpay yet, but like xD it seems pretty likely lol), so that's another point xD. And of course, them telling each other they can do anything in 1x08, and the ~thinking jazz~ scene in 2x03 are both amazing and so lovely :'D. They just genuinely listen to each other, and try to help each other out (even when dealing with their own stuff), and I love that for them :).
Anyway! Now a bit about seblos. I'm not gonna repeat what I said yesterday, but I do want to say a few more things about them! First of all, their reactions after Carlos asks Seb to homecoming are ADORABLE!! The fact they were both equally excited kills me (in the best way possible) :)) :'DD. Also, I of course have to mention the significance of dance in their storyline - Carlos giving Seb lessons, homecoming, In a Heartbeat, and Camp Prom. There may even be more! It's just such a sweet parallel :'). And it's especially cool to see since Rina has the same thing - and they seem to be the longest lasting endgame couples (based on Rina's development, not when they started dating). Interesting 👀. Also, considering that dance is so important to Carlos (and it's widely thought of in the fandom that Carlos really only had dance for a long time), and seems significant to Seb (from being the only musical theatre person in his family), it's extra sweet to see it brought into their relationship :'). And don't even talk to me about how the whole video situation in 2x05 relates to that. I guess I'm just kind of thinking, they had dance in different ways, and dance kind of honestly brought them together, and it continued into their relationship :). Oh and speaking of 2x05, Seb wanting to do all of that for Carlos is literally the cutest thing ever <33. They love each other so much your honor, and I love them :'D.
And to think I thought this post would be short lol. But, I hope y'all enjoyed reading my thoughts on some of the relationships in HSMTMTS. Don't get me wrong though,I totally love every one, and I may talk about some more I'm the future :D. But yeah! I had fun with this :). Hopefully I can do something for each day! I'm definitely enjoying getting to share my thoughts about some of my favorite characters (and such) :D.
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ANTOINE ISN'T FRENCH?!?!!!!?!??!???
IS HE IN LOVE WITH BIG RED OR SOMETHING I'VE BEEN THINKING/HALF JOKING IT THIS WHOLE TIME LOL
W H A T
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AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
GUESS WHAT I JUST SAW ON MY RECOMMENDED AND WATCHED??
HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL THE MUSICAL THE SERIES SEASON 4 OFFICIAL TRAILER
S C R E A M I N G
AAAHHHHHHH RICKY AND GINA SECRET RELATIONSHIP?!??
THE C A M E O S S S I'M NOT READY
HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL THREE A N D FOUR Y'ALL HOW IS THIS THE MOST CONVOLUTED ONE YET 😭 XD
H E L P "THIS IS OUR LAST CHANCE" (I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE NAME OF THE SONG I'M JUST SAYING THOSE WORDS SPECIFICALLY) PLAYING IN THE BACKGROUND IS KILLING ME 😭😭
AYYYY JET AND MADDOX!!
KOURTNEYYY GIRL YOU'RE GONNA SLAY THE FUTURE :'D
ALSO SLFKGHKDJS "I'M STILL A JUNIOR" XDD
AND OF COURSE:
W H E R E I S S E B??!?!!!!?!?
ANYWAY XDD
I AM S O FREAKING EXCITED
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I'm rewatching hsmtmts and yk what we really need? ricky and nini bestie-ism
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I'll be honest I think the trailers and sneak peeks are messing with us. Like there's more confusion every time lol, as I saw someone say. And personally, I'm gonna try to stop overthinking everything lol.
Rina are getting tossed around, they're not front and center in promos, etcetera - they'll be okay.
We'll probably see Seb and Big Red simultaneously more and less than we fear. Don't ask me how, that's just the vibes I'm getting lol xd.
Everyone's still going to exist. Like, besides Nini, they're all still there at some point (and though I doubt it would happen it would be amazing if she were there at the very end). We'll still see the side characters, we'll still see all the main characters.
This is me reassuring myself and you guys. We will get through this lol. We will be okay. Just take a deep breath, and get ready to enjoy the season :)
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