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lavalave · 1 year
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nerdymariamania · 2 years
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WHAT DO YOU MEAN 'NIGHT OF THE LIVING PHARMACIST' WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A DCOM BUT GOT CHANGED TO A SPECIAL BECAUSE DISNEY WAS RETHINKING SEASON 5 OF PNF BECAUSE OF MARKETING SALES??? YOU MEAN WE COULD'VE HAD MORE OF 'NOTLP'??????
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Lots of me
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is there now?
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whenthegoldrays · 9 months
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Once again proving that you need to have a bit of mental illness in you to be in fandom.
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pnfoutofcontext · 2 years
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authenticcadence18 · 1 year
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With the new seasons coming next year take me back to when I watched Night of the Living Pharmacists for the first time realizing that not only were we going to get a phinbella plot but Isabella was also going to play an important role in the episode. 13 year old me was thriving it's the best Phineas and Ferb episode for a reason (even to this day rewatching it still has me kicking my feet and giggling)
OK THIS WAS LITERALLY MY EXPERIENCE 14 YR OLD ME WAS ALSO SHOOK AND GIGGLING AND KICKING HER FEET.
I remember this so vividly too, I had the episode written down on my calendar and sat down to watch it the day it aired. I was expecting a fun, Doof-centric halloween episode, nothing more. And then within minutes, Isabella was onscreen discussing an emotional bravery patch and confessing to Phineas and I was like??? Oh?????? Hello??????? PHINBELLA SUBPLOT YOU SAY?????????
It really is a shame that the end of this episode was shortened, the original ending had a Phinbella hug, there’s a storyboard for it out there somewhere. In my heart, they hugged😔
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cantdanceflynn · 1 year
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Spotted! At the end of attack of the living pharmacists!
OH MY GOD I ALWAYS FORGET THIS SHOT OF HER EXISTS SOPPING WET MEOW MEOW BITCH TYSSSM
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ursaribbon · 7 months
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yknow what i just realized?
one might initially see phineas as the leader of the group. he comes up with the plans, he gives everyone instructions, and he keeps everyone's spirits high.
but a crucial part of being a leader is keeping a cool head in dire situations, especially when things don't go well for the leader themself.
phineas, as he states in The Phineas and Ferb Effect, has very little frame of reference for what to do when things go seriously wrong. when something does go wrong, his first instinct is to panic and/or lash out at whoever is at fault. he starts running around in a panic and blaming himself when isabella goes missing in NOTLP, he gets so angry that he refuses to inform himself and reason with perry after finding out he's a secret agent in AT2D, he revokes candace's shed card and kicks her out without letting her try to fix her mistake caused by a small oversight in mission marvel, he totally freaks out when he isn't allowed to build anything in BBB, and he shuts down and gives up when he can't figure out how to get off the island in SBTY.
phineas flynn isn't a leader. he's (unintentionally) a control freak that doesn't know how to handle his emotions.
and who snaps him out of his funk in SBTY? who invites candace back to the shed to make things right in mission marvel? who makes sure phineas can build again as soon as possible in BBB? who reappears with a solution to the zombie apocalypse in NOTLP? who offers a team of capable individuals numerous times to help with phineas's plans? none other than isabella.
she's resourceful, reasonable, and able to think clearly in dire situations. isabella is the real leader, keeping everyone in line and making phineas's dreams a reality every time.
which is why phineas feels so lost when she stops coming over.
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weeklycandacedrawings · 11 months
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I have NotLP on the brain.
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radvimes · 28 days
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My Phinabella Headcanon -or- Why Phinabella Wouldn't Drift Apart Before Getting Together
(edit: as a neurodivergent person, I'm probably going to just keep adding to this post, like, forever...)
I know I'm, like, almost a decade late to the party, so I don't know who's left around here to read this, but after watching most of Phineas and Ferb, including AYA, hearing other people's analysis of Phinabella, particularly in light of Isabella's bday episode, the picnic episode, the haunted house episode, NOTLP, and Summer Belongs to You, binging a large amount of Phinabella fanfics and art over the last week, and pondering on all of that, I just really feel the need to write out how I see those 2 crazy kids' relationship progressing through their preteen/teen years and into adulthood.
First off, as a technically inclined male (I'm a software engineer, and always loved tech as a kid) with ADHD/the neurodivergent grab bag who had to train himself to pick up on social cues, particularly cues from the girls in my life, I identify so strongly with Phineas. He is, in many ways, the kid I would have wanted to be growing up. Smart, capable, charismatic, with a good friend group, and best friends with the amazing girl next door. It really sounds like a dream life for an ADHD kid like me.
I bring this up to say that, speaking from experience, those relationships, particularly the ones with Ferb and Isabella, would be everything to Phineas. We see this with how he wants to include as many of his friends as he can in his adventures. We see this in the fact that his adventures and inventions almost always have to do with helping a friend/family member or are inspired by them. And, as the show progresses, we see that this is never more true than with him and Isabella. Yes, it would likely take him a few years to pick up on what Isabella's crush meant, but we can see that, even from a young age, he absolutely recognizes that she is a close friend, wants to spend time with her and do things with/for her more than he does the rest of his friends, and is frequently and regularly attentive to her needs as he perceives them. He recognizes that she is important to him, even if romance isn't consciously a part of that for him when they are younger, which is fine, because he's just a kid. He'll get there. To say it a different way, the kid is neurodivergent, and has his passion projects. Once it registers that she's important to him, that fact becomes a bedrock of his existence, of how he experiences the world. That's just how his brain works. It then becomes a permanent passion project to demonstrate how she is important to him. The important thing is that their foundation of friendship is firmly established, and he will spend the rest of his life building on it if she lets him.
On the other side of that, I think we see, through moments like during Isabella's bday, the picnic, NOTLP, and on the desert island at the end of Summer Belongs to You, that Isabella is beginning to recognize this dynamic. She's learning to accept that he's not there yet romantically, and that the things she's loves about him don't require him to be there yet. She loves his dedication, his attention, and how he brings out the best in her. He always says and does things to build her up and show that she is important to him. He depends on her in many ways, and they always have each other's back and their best interests in heart. She can meet him halfway, accept the good in their relationship as it is, and let it progress naturally. I particularly see this in the desert island moment, when Phineas, who isn't used to things going wrong pretty much ever, finally sputters out and sits down. He could have had a breakdown or an explosive fit that things weren't going his way, could have continued to frantically brainstorm with Ferb, but he didn't. He sat down and quietly sought solace in a peaceful moment alone with Isabella. You can see the mix of emotions she felt as she processed what that moment meant, and then realized that she needed to meet him halfway and inspire him to get back up and keep moving, even though she had just said that she so wanted that quiet moment alone with him. And in so doing, as he leapt back up and gave her a big hug in thanks, that really cemented their relationship all the more. While part of her would love him to reciprocate her crush in similar fashion to how she wants to express her feelings, ultimately, she just wants him to show her she's special to him via preferential treatment, quality one on one time, and words of affirmation, and he can and does do those things all the time. She is learning she can wait for the rest. Also, let's not forget that she's been to the future. She knows that she gets to be Aunt Isabella eventually! Between that and the care that she sees him give her as kids, while it might be hard to wait sometimes, I have to believe that she would stick with her best friend.
The other piece I would throw in here is that, while society often puts a big wall between being friends and being lovers, my experience is that the best romantic relationships are founded on strong friendships first, before infatuation and physical attraction ever enter into the equation in a meaningful way. As such, I think it's really reasonable to assume that their path forward is what I recently saw described as the "friends to idiots to lovers" trope. They would absolutely continue to be best friends, having each other's back and confiding in one another, for years. Isabella would continue to try to profess her feelings from time to time as we saw her do in the show, and Phineas would probably assure her that he likes and appreciates her, too. If she felt down about things from time to time, he would absolutely sense that, even if he didn't understand the complete significance of it, and he would reach out, probably with an invention or adventure or ice cream date or 2, because those things always helped her out of her funks before, and she would appreciate his attentiveness and attention.
Then, somewhere along the line, I imagine that their friendship would naturally begin to evolve into something a bit more tender, though they would both be in denial about it. Isabella would have spent so long telling herself to keep expectations low that she would have conditioned herself not to consciously read too much into anything Phineas says or does, and Phineas would be all "we're just really close friends, this is just how we've always acted". Meanwhile, they, like, eat lunch together every day, work their schedules to have a bunch of the same classes, walk/drive to school together every day, etc. They have a standing weekly movie/dinner night where, over the course of years, they now pretty much always end up snuggling on the couch while Phineas tries out fancy new massage tools and techniques he's developed because he knows Isabella gets sore muscles from sports and Fireside Girl-related activities. They stay over at each other's houses until all hours of the night, and regularly sleep on each other's couches when it gets too late. He gives her lots of hugs when she does something he really appreciates or when she's down. She gives him little chaste kisses on the cheek when he does something particularly thoughtful (the first time she did it, she thought she was pushing the boundaries a little. It quickly became habit). Lots of unconscious hand holding. Of course, regular trips to the ice cream parlor to celebrate or just for a change of scenery. Along the way, he's just always making thoughtful things for her, new sports/outdoor equipment, a custom bike/scooter/car, accessories and stationary with butterflies on them because he noticed that she often makes comments about him giving her butterflies, and he thinks it's some sort of cute inside joke. She starts regularly baking treats for him (and Phineas), and before too long, it seems like there's always something she made on the Flynn-Fletcher kitchen counter/in the shed. They work together to decorate the tree in each of their back yards, and probably also each other's tree houses. Pictures of them together are everywhere, and they kind of just roll their eyes and blush a little about it. No angst is needed, because their love isn't unrequited, it's just not fully recognized. Isabella wouldn't pull away, because as soon as she did, he would notice and reach out to try to understand what's wrong, and to comfort her and raise her spirits, and I truly believe that she would respond positively to that. Love comes in many forms, after all, and they would ensure that they both felt loved. In a lot of ways, they would fairly quickly get to the point where they are a single good DTR away from officially dating, with a lot of momentum in the way of making time for that DTR. On the other hand, as soon as that DTR starts, it's gonna go for hours, because they would both have plenty to say on the topic of their relationship, and I get the sense that both of them would exhibit the neurodivergent trait that this would be a topic of particular interest for them, so they would naturally be inclined to discuss it indefinitely.
As they get older, they both vehemently push back whenever someone makes a reference to their boyfriend/girlfriend, but neither one ever ends up going on a date with anyone else. They either don't go to dances because they have other plans, or they go in a group with, like Ferb, Baljeet, Ginger, and whoever Ferb has asked out that time. Then something happens. Either there's a dance where the rest of the group conveniently goes separately, or someone new makes a comment about them dating, or Ferb or Buford or Candace or someone finally gets tired of it and starts pointing out to Phineas all things they do that are totally the sort of thing you do with a girlfriend. Phineas' immediate reaction is to deny it like always, but then something kind of clicks in his head. It's not that the kid is totally oblivious to romance and dating, he's just never really thought seriously about how it applies to him and Isabella, because they've just always been them, and it's been great. Now, though, as he thinks back, things start to recontextualize in his mind, and he starts to wonder. Some time later, maybe a while as he ruminates on it for a bit, maybe the next time he sees her, he brings it up, mentions that people keep saying they're dating, or that it might look like they are dating, and are they? Should they? What would that change? He's trying to make some sense of the social cues and the intricacies of their relationship, you see. Or maybe this conversation gets triggered by emotions running unusually high and tender at one of their movie nights or something, and maybe they were suddenly looking at each other in a new light, maybe they even kissed. At this, Isabella is shocked and delighted, and asks if he is saying that he wants to define their relationship, if he's asking her to be his girlfriend. She sees it as him actually asking her directly about their relationship for once. He probably responds "well, yeah, kinda, maybe?" She might respond that, really, nothing much has to change, they would get to keep doing what they're doing, just as boyfriend and girlfriend, except that if she's his girlfriend, she can do stuff like this: and then she leans in for a kiss and/or an intentional snuggle, etc.
After that, they are truly insufferable/inseparable. They've been unofficially together for years at that point, after all. Now, it's just open and official and mutually understood how much they really mean to each other, forever. They probably spend a fair bit of time, at least at first, reminiscing about past moments where one or both were oblivious or in denial, thinking about how long they really have loved each other. Again, no angst in these conversations, just some wistfulness about missed opportunities, and joy in their shared history and future.
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Don't get me wrong, I've read many fanfics that I've loved, including "Can't Help Falling In Love", "Is This About a Girl", "Sugar Rush", and "In Two Weeks", that deal with them realizing their feelings and/or confessing to each other after some time pining/growing apart, and what it means/how wholesome it is once they are together. The thing I love most about each of those stories, though, is the way each of them taps into how important their friendship and commitment to each other is to their relationship, and how, no matter the stage of their relationship, Phineas has a singleminded determination to consistently, matter-of-factly, thoughtfully show Isabella how much she means to him through everything he does. I would love to see more stories that explored the "idiots" phase I described above, though, since most of the ones that I have come across that do explore a similar theme do so assuming that separation/pining/unrequited feelings/obliviousness must be part of it, and I don't think it has to be. Speaking as a neurodivergent person, I can say with certainty that he wouldn't be oblivious forever, and the instant he noticed a cue or emotion or comment from her that he didn't understand, or started trying to figure out his own feelings, he would be talking to absolutely everyone about it, trying to get people who understand these things to clue him in on what he's trying to understand, and venting at them about the same. People would clue him in for sure. He'd be relentless in bugging them until they did.
As such, at the end of the day, I just have a hard time seeing them drifting apart in the first place. They are far too committed to each other for either one to bear letting it happen. They embody the sentiment shared by Harry at the end of "When Harry Met Sally": "When you realize you want to spend the rest of your life with someone, you want the rest of your life to start right now!" That, to me, is Phinabella. I welcome your thoughts on this topic.
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irradiatedsnakes · 7 months
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OH BTW watched catu today :] i havent seen it since it first came out in 2019 and id forgotten almost everything about it since then! i was worried it was gonna be mediocre, i know there's plenty of folks who weren't too keen on it, but i really liked it! not as much as the 2nd dimension, but it was definitely a fun time.
rather than the like, more Movie type experience that 2d or notlp have, catu felt more like just a looong episode of pnf. id mostly just say it was fun! i do love stuff like 2d/notlp where the drama is heightened and things get more on the serious side, but the "just slightly more dramatic than your typical pnf episode" isn't a bad place to be for a pnf movie.
i have a couple gripes for sure- i don't think many of the songs were up to the usual caliber, ferb had too many voice lines, and some bits were wayy too drawn out.. i'm glad ferb was more involved but i think if he talks too much to do that you really lose his ferbiness :( there were jokey lines where you definitely couldve replaced him talking with something else and it'd work just as well. i adore ferb, he doesnt need to talk to be involved!!
that said, i really like the art. they had fun with angles and a lot more fun than usual with character expressions which i really appreciate, it was all very good to look at. and the action-type animation has DEFINITELY improved a lot- actiony scenes from stuff like the 2d movie always had a certain awkwardness to them that was not present here. the lineart was a bit thicker and i think the way they did the lineart coloring was slightly different? the differences were, like, small enough to be hard to pinpoint but distracting because i'm very familiar with regular pnf. so, not something bad, just different and throwing me off because of it.
the writing also felt, for the most part, on point. there were a lot of super funny lines and good bits. and i enjoyed candace's story! i'm an older sister, and the difference between my & my little sister's age is just about the same as that between candace and p&f (depending on which episode's timeline you reference..) and a lot of her emotional development in the movie rang very true to shitty-teen me, my conception of my self-worth back then, and how my relationship with my little sister changed as we both got older.
overall i liked it and it makes me very excited for the new seasons :]
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5 Man Band
It is not a controversial statement to say that the backyard kids fit the 5 man band archetype. They're even color coded!
Phineas - Leader He's the one who comes up with the gangs activities for the day. And when world saving gets involved, he's the one who directs conversation around plans: (see Klimpaloon Ultimatum's Buford Van Stomm scene, CATU's cut Step into the Great Unknown, and in NOTLP).
Ferb - Lancer The foil to the leader. While often times the leader may act as an opposing force to the leader this is not necessary. Ferb acts as a foil in other ways. The quiet man of action to Phineas's loud enthusiasm. Ferb is also the more likely of the two to break the rules or mess with people while Phineas is overwhelmingly sincere. He gets Phineas's plans to work and often subtly provides input.
Isabella - Heart/Chick Isabella is the girl. Unfortunately, that's what this role boils down to historically (2007). The girl who does girl things, like make-up or being flirty or whatever in the infiniteness of femininity is relevant to the character and context. In the context of girl only groups, this role is generally the girly-girl; the pretty or cute one. In the context of Phineas and Ferb, it's Isabella's cuteness that makes me confident she fits this role. She literally has weaponizable cuteness. But that doesn't mean physical appearance is all there is to this role. The reason this trope is shifted to "the Heart" in modern usage, is a reflection of what stereotypical femininity offers to a group dynamic. Emotions. Not to say that the whole group isn't emotional, or Isabella isn't also very smart, strong and a good leader. But Isabella's emotions do play a big enough part in her character that to ignore that would be disingenuous. But a large portion of Isabella's character does have to do with her crush on Phineas. These emotions have been a driving point to her character in several episodes. Not to mention an upset Isabella is an instant Phineas motivator. In addition Isabella is potentially the most empathetic member of the cast. She relates to Candace and is probably the only one of the kids we see really GET Candace, (Out to Launch, Mission Marvel). They all love her, but they don't really understand her. She encourages Phineas when he's feeling down in Summer Belongs to You. She's the one who comforts Buford when he's missing Biff. She's the one who recognizes Mitch as a poacher and is the one most distressed by the Klimpaloon experiments. Sure she's also oblivious at times (focusing on capri pants as the world is ending). But so is every other person in this town to some degree or another. She's a "Strong Female Character" (physically tough, and very skilled), but she does also fit the traditional Chick role by being unabashedly girly and sweet, and able make use of it. She's both. (Very magical girl). I'd almost say it edges into the trope of the female character not having flaws (which when you only have one character of a group there's a tendency to not give them big flaws because it reflects on the whole group, a then you get the whole Mary Sue effect), but because the same goes for Phineas and Ferb themselves (and Perry), so it's not like its just because she's a girl. And also Candace is here. On another note, it is typical for 5 man bands to be able to be split into two sets: Leader and Lancer, Big Guy and Smart Guy, with the Heart going in one of the categories. Isabella as Phineas and Ferb's next door neighbor and long time friend easily forms a trio with them. Very often she is with them even when Buford and Baljeet aren't. But also as brothers Phineas and Ferb are a duo without her too, and she's been known for form a trio with Buford and Baljeet from time to time.
Buford - Big Guy He's is literally the biggest. He likes physical confrontation. What more needs to be said. He defines himself by his brawn. He is the first one the group turns to when they need physical strength. And he forms a duo with Baljeet.
Baljeet - Smart Guy He defines himself by being a nerd. Phineas and Ferb notably look to him for more concrete math stuff (Klimpaloon Ultimatum and Undercover Carl). He's on a whole other when it comes to nerdiness. He is, kind of a nerd even amongst nerds, as Buford sometimes notes.
Candace - 6th Ranger Candace is obsessed with the boys activities. So to the boys, she's often a participant, so they include her, and see her involvement, be it motivated by her own self-interest or not, they see her as part of the group to a certain extent. They made her a ninja costume in Quietest Day Ever, she's part of their 6 man world saving squad in Last Day of Summer and Save Summer. Their Klimpaloon rescue team in Klimpaloon Ultimatum, and she is one of the 6 who circumnavigate the globe. She's the 6th member of the team. It's just instead of joining the team later, she operates outside of the group and sometimes gets roped in. One could even say she is of the villain turned good variety: she often attempts to bust the days activities (acts as an antagonist), but when push comes to shove she joins them without hesitation, particularly later on.
Of course I think it is very important to recognize that these characters are not defined by these roles. Buford's also a nerd. Isabella's also really tough and a natural leader. All of them could feasibly fit anywhere. That's not me misassigning the characters, that's the characters being nuanced and well rounded. It's not about what role these characters fit as individuals, but rather the role they play on the team. They're all smart, but Baljeet is still the smart one, who checks their math and cares about education. Buford may be the most emotional, but he is still the wall of meat who is physically the biggest and chooses to play roles like bouncer and bodyguard. Isabella may be the fireside girls leader, but in this group its Phineas who leads the way with his optimism and the one who rallies the troupes and makes decisions on the days activities.
I don't know where I was going with this just I like how they clearly fit into the archetypes expected of the 5 man band. There's a reason that trope works. It leads to a team with a solid spread of skills, so can work well together, and and often different personalities that lead to unique dynamics. But I think the fact that the individuals in this group are strong in areas outside of their designated role really helps with the groups cohesion too. Each character can have more than one role. Buford can have dumb muscle jokes, but also jokes about the arts. Isabella can be the cute one, but also the tough one as the situation calls and rival Buford in that regard. Baljeet may be the nerd, but Ferb might have some sort of knowledge that he doesn't. It makes them fully fledged characters and adds nuance to their dynamics where they can swap roles circumstantially.
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pftones3482 · 2 years
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Doofenshmirtz! XD (listen: he's fun and I wanna see how many spaces he gets)
Uhhhhhh I feel like I'm gonna get murdered for this one but uh 😅 Doof is one of my least favorites of the main cast. Don't get me wrong, I love him dearly, but I just....don't feel the same about him that the rest of the fandom seems to?
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I wish there was an option for like "would want this character to be my parent" or something bc genuinely my favorite thing about Doof is what a wonderful father he is, and how deep down he's just such a genuinely caring person. Like my favorite character moments of his are when he's being a Dad™, and not just to Vanessa (his genuine smile after Buford leaves in BBB, the way he interacted with Isabella in CATU, how he worked with all the kids in NotLP, etc).
NGL I think most of my indifference for him now definitely comes from how obsessed the fandom is with him over the literal title characters. He's a great dad and a fun character, but I personally think he's overused both in the show and in fandom. Doesn't mean I don't like him though!
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The Reef: Stalked and Stuart Gordon's From Beyond
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noddytheornithopod · 2 years
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Joshua Pruett, writer on Phineas and Ferb and Milo Murphy's Law, said that NotLP was going to be a DCOM during an interview on YouTube with The 2nd Dimension/Phineas Flynn'a Law.
(In reference to this.)
...huh, interesting. The interview is super long if it's the one I assume it is so no idea where it is in the video (if you wanna give me a timestamp much appreciated tho!), but if this is the case, interesting indeed. Dan and Swampy I recall saying they wanted to end it where they did so I wonder if this was Disney going "lol you can't have another movie" (until we did).
I've said before I think Pharmacists has real series finale potential, if they were able to stretch it into a movie, maybe even bring up some plot points from other episodes eg Doof giving up evil (I mean, potentially losing everyone you love would be a good motivator to rethink your life lol) and maybe have Phineas and Isabella have a clearer resolution than Act Your Age gave us, they could've pulled it off if you asked me. What better way to end the show than a big epic movie?
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