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clerical-error · 1 year
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Thought and Memory.
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breelandwalker · 2 years
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Just a heads-up for the pagan and witchcraft tags -
If some random url or anon messages you asking what you think of a certain website and their ideas and claims, block the account, report it for spam, and delete the message.
Do not answer. Do not interact. Not even to snark or issue a rebuttal.
The fucking neo-nazis are fishing for recruits in our waters again.
Do not let them use your blog to boost their SEO results. Do not given them a second of your time or an inch of your platform.
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whiskeyterrafoxtrot · 7 months
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Pentacle Patch
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Whiskey Terra Foxtrot of Washington State, LGBT+ and Pagan owned
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thefourcebehindit · 11 months
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Just realized how crazy it is for people who belive in the Asir to be racist, it's the only hereditary pantheon that I know of what has God of different and mixed ethnicities in them. Skadi is Jotun, Thor is half Aesir half Jotun and of corse Freya and Frye are Vanir
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tea-and-antlers · 8 months
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I love meeting other norse pagans because you get to ask such fun icebreaker questions like✨ What's your favorite rune?✨  and ✨what if any is your favorite norse myth from the eddas?✨  and ✨ are you actually cool or are you another fucking nazi?✨ 
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justaforestfaerie · 7 months
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Sunny days
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dyscomancer · 8 months
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nazis should not be allowed in any space, but i'm especially upset with how they've co-opted old norse and viking shit. i wanna blast melodic death metal and deck myself in Amon Amarth shirts without people thinking i'm a fucking skinhead
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theemmtropy · 1 year
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Kratos would punch Nazis for misusing his wife and son's heritage.
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studies-in-heathenry · 9 months
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Uhhh new here! Two questions: what is "folkish" and why should they not interact (I assume they're bad). Also, are you a mythic literalist (just curious).
Hi there, welcome!
Folkish/Volkish people believe that only people with Scandinavian/European ancestry can practice Norse Heathenry. It’s historically inaccurate, racist, and rooted in Nazi ideology. I tell these people not to interact with me and my blog because it makes it clear where and with who I stand with in the Norse heathen community.
For the second question, I’ve actually not thought about it that much. If the question is, do I think every myth literally happened in the material world exactly as it was recorded then the answer is a clear no. That said, I do think there is truth in them.
I could probably fill paragraphs with different and conflicting ways that I conceptualize myths but I’ll save that for if anyone is actually interested.
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thechaoticgingers · 1 year
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Yule illustration I did a few years ago
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aresstan · 10 months
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It’s actually sickening how little self awareness people have when conducting heathen rituals. If what you’re doing for the gods looks exactly like the nazi salute and sounds like it’s missing a “heil hitler” during the chanting you need to have a serious sit down with yourself and think about how that might affect other people. If it’s still not clicking for you, maybe you need to open a history textbook published by professionals and learn something new.
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queer-tech-seer · 1 year
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Runic Divination: A Modern Invention
It is a popular belief (especially in certain Neo-Pagan and Heathen circles linked to Neo-Nazism and White Supremacy) that the runes of Elder Futhark:
Were the runes primarily used by the Vikings and represent a direct link to Viking ancestors
Have been used for divination for over a thousand years, representing a long and unbroken tradition, and that the way we use them now is the way the Norse used them in antiquity
Have ancient esoteric meanings that have remained unchanged through the passage of time
Unfortunately, none of these statements are true.
Around 98 AD, a Roman known as Publius Cornelius Tacitus wrote what was essentially an ethnological study of Germanic peoples entitled Germania. In Chapter X, he describes a system of divination used by one particular Germanic Tribe, an observation which later became the basis of what we consider today as runecasting and of the contemporary usage of Elder Futhark as an oracle:
"To divination and casting of lots, they pay attention beyond any other people. Their method of casting lots is a simple one: they cut a branch from a fruit-bearing tree and divide it into small pieces which they mark with certain distinctive signs and scatter at random onto a white cloth. Then, the priest of the community if the lots are consulted publicly, or the father of the family if it is done privately, after invoking the gods and with eyes raised to heaven, picks up three pieces, one at a time, and interprets them according to the signs previously marked upon them."
It is important to note that, at this time, the full inventory of the Elder Futhark alphabet was not yet finalized due to the fact that the sound inventory of Proto-Norse was not yet finalized. It wasn't until around 400 AD that all 24 runes can be solidly attested to within the archaelogical record. While it is probable that some letters of Elder Futhark were likely being used at the time Tacitus wrote his Germania, but it is extremely unlikely that the symbols carved upon the wooden tiles were Elder Futhark.
Additionally, there is simply no archaelogical or historical evidence beyond Tacitus' claims suggesting that the Proto-Norse or Norse used runes as a system of divination at all. Certainly the runes were used in magical contexts; there are many examples of runes and bindrunes being used as talismans and sigils inscribed on weapons, shields, jewelry etc. within the archaelogical record, but nothing suggests that these runes were ever used for divination as we know and use it today.
It is also important to note that Elder Futhark was not the alphabet used by the Vikings, as most proponents of runecasting claim; Elder Futhark was in use from the second century to the late 8th century (700s) in Scandinavia, when it was simplified to the Younger Futhark. The Younger Futhark WAS contemporaneous to the Vikings, and roughly corresponds to the Viking Age (793-1066 CE). This disproves the claim that the Elder Futhark is a direct link to Viking Ancestors -- the Vikings were using a different alphabet. It would be more accurate to say that the Elder Futhark runes linked the Vikings to THEIR Norse, Proto-Norse, and Germanic ancestors.
Finally, the meanings associated with the runes of Elder Futhark as we know them today were actually derived in modern times from the Norwegian, Icelandic, and Anglo-Saxon rune poems. None of these poems were written in Elder Futhark. The current theory proposed by modern linguists is that the Rune Poems were mnemonic devices used to help people remember the order, names, and, most importantly, the sounds of each letter of the alphabet. In other words, the Rune Poems were the equivalent to nursery rhymes. 
With this new context, the use of nursery rhymes to assign esoteric meanings or properties to each rune seems a bit odd. Consider how silly it would be if, a thousand years from now, a group of people got a hold of one of those long posters found in elementary school classrooms meant to help children remember the order of the alphabet and decided that not only did the letter A definitively meant 'apple' and B definitively meant 'book', but that we as a society used these letters in order to divine the unknown.
Additionally, if the runes were preserving supposedly ancient meanings, we would expect these meanings to remain consistent throughout time with no variations. However, if the Rune Poems were instead preserving the phonetics associated with each runic letter by linking them to words beginning with that particular sound, we would see variation in the poems due to the linguistic variation of meaning.
And variation in meaning is exactly what we can observe between the Rune Poems; for example, the specific word linked to the phoneme represented in the stanzas attributed to Uruz talk about dross, a by-product of iron smelting within The Norwegian Rune Poem, about rain within The Icelandic Rune Poem, and then finally an aurochs in The Anglo-Saxon poem. The same can be observed for the stanzas attributed to Kenaz: the Norwegian and Icelandic rune poems refer to ulcers (likely derived from the Proto-Germanic *kaunan), while the Anglo Saxon refers to a torch (likely derived from Proto-Germanic *kenaz).
As an aside -- from examining the Rune Poems and comparing them to the commonly used modern meanings attributed to each rune, it is exceedingly obvious that whoever did assign said meanings primarily used The Anglo-Saxon poem as a jumping-off point.
In summary, Elder Futhark runes as we know them do not represent esoteric, magical concepts; the modern day meanings assigned to them were derived from translations of nursery rhymes meant to help people learn the Elder Futhark alphabet and, in some cases, were not the magical meanings ascribed to them by those who originally used them. Elder Futhark was not used by the Vikings and is not a direct link to Viking ancestors as many authors claim. Finally, there is no archaeological or historical evidence to suggest the runes were used for divination, nor was there a long and unbroken tradition of runecasting. The use of Elder Futhark as a tool of divination is a purely modern invention that dates back, at most, to the 1970's. The runes as they are used today are not 'ancient' nor is there a 'tradition' of using the runes for divination spanning back centuries, representative of an 'authentic and 'sacred' and 'holy' practice linked to Vikings.
As far as I can tell, Ralph Blum was the first one to write about the runes as a system of divination. Eddred Thorsson (Otherwise known as Stephen Flowers, who studied Runology, Germanic Languages, and Medieval Studies in an academic context), a known racist and white supremacist strongly linked to 'folkish' beliefs, Odinism, Asatru, and the Neo-Nazi Asatru Folk Assembly (a hate group recognised by the Southern Poverty Law Centre), expanded upon Blum's work and incorporated many Neo-Nazi beliefs based upon volkisch & Nazi doctrine, and is responsible for the perpetuation of these three myths (and quite a few others) into the present day with the publication of his books regarding runes. The publishing rights to Flowers/Thorsson's books are held by the Asatru Folk Assembly. Much of Flowers/Thorrson's assertions regarding the usage of runes is ultimately just unverified personal gnosis unsupported by archaeological or ethnographic evidence.
The association between runes and Nazism is certainly not new. The idea that the Germanic race (and its descendants) was superior to all others was central to Nazi ideology, and German ultranationalists scoured the archaelogical record to find proof of a link to a mythic 'Aryan' Heritage. They particularly liked the Armanen pseudo-Runes (the meanings of which miraculously were revealed to a man named Guido von List in 1902 after suffering temporary blindness following cataract surgery), but ultimately they shifted their attention to the appropriation of the runes of the Elder Futhark. The most infamous rune used by the Nazis is Sowilo, the 's' rune representing the sun, which was renamed the 'Siegrune' (Victory rune) and was used as a symbol for Hitler's Schutzstaffel (ie. The SS). Other runes that were misappropriated include Othala (inheritance) which was used as a symbol for the mantra 'Blud und Boten' (Blood and Soul), and Tiwaz (Tyr), which became a symbol for war and struggle. To claim that the runes represent a long-standing tradition and link to 'the ancestors' is straight up Nazi rhetoric.
This doesn't make the runes any less useful as an oracle! Oracles and divination help us find meaning in our lives as well as help us explain the universe around us, especially when we're faced with the murky unknown or with things that cannot otherwise be explained by other models or paradigms of rationalization. Using the runes to seek out answers to otherwise 'unknowable' questions is actually a method of reframing and recontextualizing our experiences via the viewpoint of an objective outsider, providing new insight and promoting introspection. This is especially helpful if what we 'learn' might not be things we want to hear or think about, especially concerning ourselves. It also helps us elevate the subconscious into the conscious, and makes us aware of things we didn't otherwise give much thought to due to our tunnel-vision view and tendency to focus only on the things we think are important or relevant.
The lesson to be learned from this is that it is important to critically examine so called 'traditions', especially ones claiming to be ancient and representative of 'ancestral' practices -- oftentimes the people perpetuating such beliefs have done so for a reason. Unfortunately, because Flowers/Thorsson's work is so prevalent within the pagan community, and because so many sources regarding runic divination end up linking back to his work, the practice of runecasting and using runes for divination has become tainted with Nazi rhetoric. It is for this reason that I am highly critical of any source listing the 'meanings' of the runes.
So… what can you do about this? Don't buy Flowers/Thorrson's books, obviously. Be critical of all sources when researching runes. Evaluate whether or not this person did their own research, or simply took Flowers/Thorrson's work at face value. Laugh openly at anyone who practices Rune Yoga.
My recommendation to rune enthusiasts is to study the Rune Poems and research the etymology of each rune word and come up with your own meanings and extensions, just like you would when researching the meaning of tarot cards. By doing this, you'll probably also find that you feel even more connected to them than before.
And, above all else, make your space an unsafe space for Nazis.
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References:
Andersen, Harry. "Three Controversial Runes in the Older Futhark (2)". North-Western Language Evolution, vol. 4, no. 5, 1985, pp. 3-22.
Antonsen, Elmer H. "The Proto-Norse System and the Younger Futhark". Scandinavian Studies, vol. 35, No. 3, 1963, pp. 195-207.
Dickins, Bruce. Runic and Heroic Poems of the Old Teutonic Peoples. Cambridge University, 1915.
Hoppadietz, Ralf, and Reichenbach, Karin. "In Honor of the Forefathers: Archaelogical Reenactment between History Appropriation and an Ideological Mission. The Case of Ulfhednar." Reenactment Case Studies: Global Perspectives on Experiential History, edited by Vanessa Agnew, Sabine Stach, and Juliane Tomann. Routledge, 2023.
Imer, Lisbeth. "How the Nazis abused the history of runes." ScienceNordic. 13 October 2018. Translated by Frederik Appel Olsen. https://sciencenordic.com/denmark-forskerzonen-history/how-the-nazis-abused-the-history-of-runes/1459227. Accessed 28 January 2023.
Knirk, James E. "Runes: Origin, development of the furthark, functions, applications, and methodological considerations." The Nordic Languages, vol. 1, 2002, pp. 634-648.
Southern Poverty Law Center. "Asatru Folk Assembly." SPLC: Southern Poverty Law Center. https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/asatru-folk-assembly. Accessed 28 January 2023.
Southern Poverty Law Center. "Neo-Völkisch." SPLC: Southern Poverty Law Center. https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/neo-volkisch. Accessed 28 January 2023.
Tacitus, Cornelius Publius. Germania. AD 98. Translated by Alfred John Church and William Jackson Brodribb, Macmillan & Co., 1869.
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whiskeyterrafoxtrot · 8 months
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Patches are finally incoming!
I'm gonna get the hang of this and offer plain colored ones for a while, but there is also a variegated rainbow on my list.
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discworldwitches · 1 month
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i love self-identified norse pagans/eclectic pagans/wiccans talking about how st patrick’s day celebrates the colonisation of ireland. it’s so hilariously ironic.
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captain-crackship · 1 year
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So do the fascists realize that at least one of “their” gods has dressed in drag and two are nonbinary? Or do they conveniently leave that part out because it conflicts with their “beliefs”? Maybe take that as a sign that Norse paganism isn’t for you, you dumbfucks.
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ink-asunder · 4 months
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God I get so offended at people calling me witchy. Like, I get it, we're in the deep dark south and anybody with double pierced ears is like a satanist here, but I'm NOT a witch, I NEVER identified as a witch, and I do NOT appreciate you calling/saying I'm "witchy" to another friend just because it's the best shorthand you have for "psychotic divine apostate with aesthetic taste."
I'm not a fucking witch. I'm self-deified, I'm delusional, and I have shitty tiktok aesthetics. That doesn't make me a fucking witch.
Furthermore, I'm just RURAL. I have fucking antlers and skulls everywhere cause I'm a country bumpkin. Just because I have porcelain and creepycute stuff everywhere doesn't mean I'm different than the cowboys around here with rusted tools and driftwood everywhere. Quit being fucking classist. Quit trying to separate me from my home and roots just so I can be more palatable for you!!!
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