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#no because we need to talk about how so many armys look down on kpop
bookscandlesnbts · 5 months
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You’d be surprised by how many girls LOVE fuckboys. Isn’t it one of the most popular tropes in fanfics? Imo, it’s not really that deep down they think JK is a fuckboy: it’s more that they want him to be. It’s the only attribute from the typical fuckboy prototype he’s missing right now: he’s young, famous, talented, beautiful, fit, into typical masculine stuff like boxing, motorcycles (if the rumor about him having one is true), he has tattoos and piercings, a big dog, a big car, he likes looking a bit tough. Having lots of girls in his arms would just increase his status even more, signal he has potential for being a good lay (which, from what I’ve heard, does not always correlate 🙃) AND it would counterbalance his feminine/dainty side that many Armys don’t like and/or don’t want to acknowledge. Also, him being potentially bisexual or gay (imo, it’s the last option and it’s been obvious from day 1) decreases his attractiveness in the eyes of many fans: the typical fuckboy is straight, or it’s not fun and sexy anymore. You got to keep the fantasy alive, thinking deep down that YOU could be one of his girl. Even if, in reality, there’s not even 0.001% chance, you can imagine that eveeeeeentually it’s still a tiny tiny chance, and it’s still better than if he’s into guys! In real life, lots of girls fall for that type of guys. And then cry about it when he doesn’t want to settle down with them, because they realize they’re not THE ONE for him, aka the one that’s going to make him drop the fuckboy life, but that’s another story (I’m not talking about my own experience, I swear). They want the guy who’s popular with women, and the whole kpop industry capitalizes on this.
PS: I’m over generalizing of course, not all women are attracted to the fuckboy type, but a subsequent amount of girls/young women are, even more so in kpop fandoms because the industry precisely thrives on it.
Hi anon. Oh I’m well aware that fuckboys are popular and romanticized in media. I agree with you that some of these people just want Jungkook to be. I think they don’t know him they just see someone attractive with muscles and tattoos and can sing and dance and equate that to the bad boy trope in a romance novel.
Soooo many ARMYs don’t acknowledge his dainty side and I’m sure these new y/n stans don’t even know it exists. Jungkook can act very “babygirl” at times with his mannerisms. But that doesn’t fit the straight fuckboy stereotype.
They definitely need to keep the fantasy alive hence those that feel the need to shut down any mention of him not possibly being straight. It jumps to “don’t assume someone’s sexuality!!” Which is actually a deeply homophobic response, implying that being something other that hetero is a bad thing, but I digress.
I don’t know how to make it stop, but I’m hopeful that when we start getting regular content again that involves a certain sun and moon duo, that we will see these people fade to the background again. It will be harder for them to maintain their stance.
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km-kindredspirits · 1 year
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How my adventures with BTS began.
Some time in 2015, I saw the Dope MV. I actually ended the MV mid way through because the song was not my cup of tea. Even now, Dope is one of my least favorite BTS songs. Please note that I don’t dislike many of BTS songs. In fact, I like majority of BTS’ songs. This includes the solo projects, especially Mono by RM. I actually have a Moonchild tattoo on my wrist, because of his song. Dope just so happens to be my BTS introductory song. After Dope, I did not pay much attention to them; but still, I saw so many comments about BTS in YT videos unrelated to BTS. I looked them up and was super confused on why this KPOP group has so many names (BTS, Bangtan Boys, Bangtan Sonyeondan, Bulletproof Boy Scouts). Aside from Dope, this ended up being the second reason why I turned away from them. I did not think much of BTS... until June 2016.
Fast forward to June of 2016, I was watching the k variety show, “We Got Married.” One of the couples during that time consisted of comedian Jo Se-ho & kpop gg Fiestar's Cao Lu. While watching one of their episodes, I saw a bunch of comments under the videos talking about how ARMYs were gonna destroy him (I am paraphrasing here, but you know how ARMYs get when BTS are mistreated). I was super confused about why the Korean Army would care about Se Ho enough to do him harm. After reading too many comments, I realized that ARMYs were BTS’ fans. Of course, all the comments were related to the infamous burger incident. I then went to watch the clip of the burger incident and was appalled by the actions of Se Ho and some of the other cast members. On the flip side, this made me interested in Jungkook. I wanted to know more about him and what made him so beloved by so many fans. 
This lead me to look up BTS MVs. One of the first MVs that popped up was actually a violin cover of Save Me by Youtuber JuNCurryAhn. After watching the cover and loving it, I knew I needed to listen to the original song. I watched the Save Me MV and was blown away by the song AND the MV. At that time, I knew NOTHING about BTS and was actually unsure which member was Jungkook. I guessed correctly but had to do a lot of comparing his visual from Save Me to the variety clip haha. Because I loved Save Me, I looked up their other MVs and the next song I listened to was I NEED U. I also really liked that song, so I moved on the RUN. After RUN, I was sold and the rest is history. I never knew that KPOP songs can be this palatable, easy on the ears, and lovely! Since that fateful day, I have never looked back.  
I actually grew up on 1st generation KPOP (H.O.T.; Shinhwa; S.E.S.; Baby VOX; Finkl; etc...), so KPOP is not new to me. In fact, as a preteen, I would watch my sister practice KPOP choreographies. After 1st gen, I stopped listening to KPOP for a long while. I knew about Big Bang and DBSK but did not care about KPOP during that time. I liked Run Devil Run by SNSD, but that was the extent of my interest in KPOP. I consumed mostly American music, although I thoroughly enjoyed Asian dramas (Taiwanese, Thai, and Korean) and listened to lots of OSTs from my favorite dramas. I still love watching dramas including American shows. 
A little more about me, I have a bit of an addictive personality. Once I like something, I tend to devote a lot of my time to it. If I like a song, I listen to it until I am tired of it. I prefer to binge watch shows versus watching new episodes each week. For example, I LOVED Vic Zhou due to Boys Before Flowers and Mars dramas, so I would look up his pictures online. At that time, Youtube was new so there was no videos of him that I can watch. To this day, Mars is still one of my favorite dramas ever. Because of my tendencies, I knew that once I go down the rabbit hole of BTS, I was never coming back out.
After watching the three BTS MVs mentioned above, I spent the next two days looking up everything I can about this group. I literally pulled allnighters because I was so intrigued by them. Side note: I am a night owl (hence the tattoo Moonchild), so this was not something difficult to do. When I learned that they use Twitter, I decided to follow them on there as well. I originally created my Twitter account in June of 2012 (June seems to be a lucky month for me), but abandoned it until my BTS era. Since then, I have not stopped loving and following BTS. They are so special and precious to me. 
Summer of ‘16 was actually the summer before I started the Masters program, so finding BTS during that summer was both a blessing and a curse. I was frequently distracted in school; however, BTS also motivated me to get through the 2 year program, so that I can get a decent paying job and buy all the merch I want! That was my driving force to get through the program LOL. This is a joke, but also not a joke :’). I did end up graduating from the program and getting a decent paying job, so I am doing okay in the merch buying department haha. 
Fast forward now to present day, I have been an ARMY for 6.5 years. If I tell people that becoming a fan of BTS is one of the best decisions of my life, some may say that that is strange or ridiculous or stupid or whatever, but it is the simple truth. BTS are not only artists, they are mentors, friends, family, leaders, trailblazers, teachers, and champions. BTS impact lives in ways that I think even they cannot fully comprehend. BTS make the impossible possible for themselves, which shows their fans that they are the makers of their own destiny.  Like RM once said, ARMY is not pushing BTS from behind, but instead, are walking with them side by side as they climb the mountain. If I can say one thing to BTS, it would be this, “I recognize that the love and trust between us is delicate and rare. I treasure this gift with tenderness and care. Your vulnerability and sincerity are fully felt by us. I have loved the adventures that we have experienced together thus far, and am so excited for all that is yet to come. I will wait patiently for the day that I meet the seven of you together again. Forever, I thank you.”
P.S. I don’t know if anyone will read this post, but if you did, thank you. I hope to learn about your journey with BTS as well.
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peppertaemint · 2 years
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Not having any friends in the genre is part of bts' brand because they really have to drive home that bts only has army(im pretty sure a member has even said those words before). It's bts and army against the entirety of kpop.
Everyone hates bts cause they were so "different" and so "hip hop" and they didn't have money so everyone looked down on them, and now they're really big so people are jealous.
Even when bts has friends, they don't actually have friends unless army can use it flex or something. Like the padding squad or jk's 97 friend group. Armies love it when they can use these things to talk about how everyone loves bts and how cool they are, but at the same time these friends aren't good enough for them and no one in kpop is actually friends cause there's like evidence that kpop idols(not bts) are petty and mean or something.
Vs allowed to be friends with his wooga squad though cause they're actors and its just idols that army hates.
It's actually kind of crazy to see it, cause I got into kpop as an army and I watched all the videos about how hard bts had it and how they're real artists amid the masses of manufactured snakes. It really gets to you if you don't know anything else about the genre, like I refused point blank to consume any other kpop content for years cause bts was everything and they only had armys.
It really is like brainwashing and the isolation is part of it. And it sounds crazy to say this stuff cause it's just music but that's really how it is.
Anon, I get it... all of that marketing stuff really works and people believe it all. They don't realize there are many groups with much more artistic freedom (and freedom in general) than BTS. Your line about the mass of manufactured snakes really hits well—that is the lie sold. I don't begrudge BH the marketing ploy because every brand needs its angle to differentiate itself in the market. You have to stand apart from other brands in order to capture a chunk of the market. What I hate about their particular marketing is the isolation as you say and how they play both sides of the genre. Basically, they're kpop when it's convenient for us; when it's not, they drop the genre. I've said it many times before but it's a disservice to the genre.
The "we only have army" stuff becomes disingenuous over time. The more we hear it repeated, the more it sounds like rote answers preconfigured (ie. marketing strategy). I have zero doubts the group adores their fans. But at this late in their music careers, I think some fans hope for something a little "off script."
I heard that the group will be doing some rounds on Korean music shows, and I'm excited about this. I'll watch them all. : D
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lonelywhalien22 · 1 year
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I'm so excited for D-DAY! Yoongi is my bias-wrecker in BTS LOL and I'm forever in love with his mindset/lyricism. He has a way of writing things straightforward, but still being comforting (versus Namjoon's very poetic and wise writing style). That's my favorite part too!!! I also liked the reference to IU's 'Eight':
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I loved this softer side of 'People Pt 2' and how it reflects Yoongi's growth as an artist and a person! Aaaggghh he's just one of those people that you wish a little extra success for, ya know? Idk - he makes me soft! LOL. All the references to past AUGST D and BTS songs (and maybe even IU's 'Love Poem'???) was tastefully done 🤌🤌🤌 I also really loved seeing him harmonize with IU 😍😍😍 they sounded really good together?! To be frank though . . . I don't quite understand the connection between the original 'People' and 'People Pt 2' yet, but I could also just be thinking too much into it (if you know, help a slow-brained friend out? 😅😂).
OMG OMG OMG NCT Dream concert 😭😭😭 if I had more money I would definitely go again HAHAHA. I think I'm still going through post-concert depression LOL because I woke up kind of down and tired today for no reason 😓
My favorite performance was 'Trigger the Fever' and (surprisingly) 'Saturday Drip'!!! Mark did a little bit of 'Golden Hour' as well so that was fun!!! (Thoughts on this solo song too???) NGL, I had a little bit of Renjun tunnel vision, so I only remember him and bits of Haechan/Mark during 'Trigger the Fever' 😭😂 They looked like they were having so much fun and just feeling themselves, it made me so happy! I'm always a little biased towards rap line performances in Kpop LOL because I just like the hyped vibes. I actually don't listen to 'Saturday Drip' all that much, but the NCT Dream rap line did a really good job with performing it!!!
I'm so sorry with how long this is LOL, but it feels like catching up with an old friend after a minute and I do just really like talking music with you hahaha. Are you going to any other concerts this year other than Ed Sheeran? Happy Tuesday 🤗
@twogyuu don't be sorry about the length of your post because mine is disgustingly long as well. like i'm actually deeply sorry for my word vomit:
Wow that’s a fantastic line from the song you shared as well! Love the sandcastle analogy. And omg the way I missed all the IU song refs…like Love Poem is my fave song from her 💀 (is it obvious i don’t speak korean??? lol 🤣). I love songs where you pick up on something new in the lyrics the more you listen to it! And at the ending when he shared he wrote it during covid like ahhhh I really felt that - It’s been so interesting to me as a music listener to hear works by artists that were made during covid/about covid…I just think it’s fascinating and like this little time capsule/archive of a very specific moment in time where we can see all the different emotions that came from that period and how they were expressed in so many different ways.
Also that is literally such a perfect way to differentiate between Namjoon and Yoongi’s lyrical styles - like you took the feelings right out of my brain and worded them perfectly. Yoongi has always been my favorite of the rap line for that reason. And then jhope is one of those rappers who’s like the vibey rapper if that makes sense??? It’s like his stuff always has this groovy flow to it that’s so distinctly him - I like to think it’s because he’s a dancer too but idk lol.
And girl lol we both need help bc idk what Pt. 2 is referring to either 😭 i’m not one of the kpop lore people, even for the groups I really follow, so I’m always in the comments section learning new things too lol. Heck I barely understand why Set Me Free is a Pt. 2😅 ik bts likes referencing their old music a lot in song titles so I’m just blindly used to that now and don’t question it lol (fellow armys help us with the receipts pls bc I’m useless for this sort of thing lol)
Wow just checked out Trigger the Fever - never heard it since it looks like it was on the very first mini album before I really followed them but omg I love it - it's right up my alley and I love the optimistic vibes and the harmonies they hit are just really pretty to me. Saved on Spotify hehe. idk when they performed it but it sounds like it would be perfect towards the end of the concert when they wanna make the fans all emotional and crap as they start to say goodbye 🥺
Saturday drip is such a great concert choice, I bet the crowd went wild. The super hype songs are always my fav during a concert bc everyone goes crazy and shouts out the iconic parts and it's such a good time!!!
Golden hour wasn’t my vibe BUT i did really like the concept and the mv for some reason. Like it was one of those songs where the mv actually made me vibe with the song more than i would have if i just heard it with no visual. That’s actually one of the things i really love abt kpop in particular - the way they build whole concepts and visual narratives around songs and seeing how it all comes together in the mv…it has definitely opened my ears a lot more if that makes sense and there are so many kpop songs that upon a second listen or bc of something in the mv/choreo/etc. i have come to absolutely love. NCT especially always challenges tf outta me. For ref I am a Sticker enthusiast and I still get crap for that lol but what can I say??? NCT is experimental so i’m always surprised by the songs from them that I wind up liking, and golden hour was memorable if nothing else lol
dont feel bad about reaching out to gush about music!!! normally i don't have any other way to let out my feelings besides watching reaction vids or reading social media comments on my own during comebacks so it's great to have someone to chat with stuff about directly! I really wish I could have seen NCT Dream but the date for my closest city just wasn't the best and I already saw NCT 127 a few months ago with their The Link tour. I was like - I saw Mark recently I don't need to see him again for awhile (LIES) 😭 but Haechan was sick at the time so I didn't get to see him then and I really like him and Renjun ahhh!!! Next time!
You asked about other concerts and BRUH. I can't feel too bad abt missing Dream bc I'm still seeing/have seen so much! Everyone's got that one thing they splurge on and for me it's concerts. Back in 2020, my very first concert was gonna be Map of the Soul with BTS and then…well we all know how that story went 😭😭😭I’m still incredibly sad that I never got to see them all together live before the military service so after that and 2 years of lockdown I was like I have to see as many of my fave acts as I can because you never know when this might be an artist’s last tour for whatever reason. Once i could afford it I started going to as many concerts as I could and haven't looked back. There’s just something about experiencing music live with the artists and other fans around you that just gives me a rush idk i love it!!! Besides Ed (saw ur post and you should totally see him if you can make it work money-wise btw hehe. his tickets are some of the most affordable i've EVER purchased in terms of comparable seats at other concerts <3) I'm also seeing TXT in may WHOOP! And then i managed to get beyonce tickets even though my wallet hated me for awhile after that one ngl. I’m seeing her this one time and that IS IT lol. I heard SM said baekhyun and wayv are gonna have tours so if that’s true i’m gonna try getting tickets for those. I would love to see Ten perform live, he’s one of my faves in all of NCT, and then Baekhyun - I just REALLY need to hear his vocals live lol. Like he could just come out on stage, sing Bambi and then leave, and I’d feel like I’d gotten my money’s worth from that alone 🤣 Hoping to see The Boyz again on tour as well now that Eric is back and doing better but they haven’t announced anything rn. Saw them once but the seats were sooooo bad omg…gotta see them again with a better view because their performances and stage presence are phenomenalllll. I found out about them during Kingdom!
Unfortunately no yoongi for me bc the locations were more limited and I knew it would be a bloodbath lol. Also I still haven't recovered from taylor swift (i truly was one of those peeps in the queue for 8+ hours and still did not get tickets 😭😭😭). next time she tours (please please please let there be a next time istg) i've gotta go.
Not that you asked but since I'm on a roll and can’t shut up - I've seen some other groups in the last year and and hands down, without a doubt, the best for me was Ateez. They are my ult group besides BTS and cannot stress enough omg their stage presence is freaking insaneeeeee. Saw them two nights in a row and have literally no regrets. Best two nights of my life. Came back to my place with voice gone after that second night, ate a post concert meal and passed out in my bed. Was on a high for like a week after and I still miss them lol. Will always try and see them when they’re in my area.
Also recently saw SZA and that was a literal dream. she was amazing and i still have random concert flashbacks every few days.
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jooheonspinky · 1 year
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Kpop Dream Log 12: with Taehyung and Yoongi
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March 21, 2019, Thursday
I was at this small venue that had brought in BTS to sing a few songs. It seemed like I was there to watch the rehearsal and set up because there weren’t many people there. I was sitting on the stage area to the right of the guys. There was a looong table behind them, so I don’t know if they were going to do like a Q&A afterward or what.
Anyway, this girl kept talking to me. She looked Hispanic.
I asked her if she was ARMY, and she said “Oh no. I’m with Waze.”
I looked at her like what? She just repeated it.
Once I figured out she was talking about the navigation app, I told her, “I’m so sorry, but I pronounce it Wah-Z.”
She and another girl started laughing at my pronunciation.
Anywho, some time passes, and some of the boys sit down. I only remember Tae and Yoongi. Yoongi was wearing baggy white jeans with some brown or black sandals. His shirt was white also, with a picture of him on the back. His pic was half black and half white. I don’t remember much of what Tae was wearing. I know he had a light brown hat and bluish sunglasses. His shirt was a bright blue. 
Tae sat closest to me. I was sitting on the floor. He was so close that if I reached out my hand, I could touch him with no effort. So I’m trying so hard, so so hard to be chill and pretend he’s not so close. Yoongi is standing, making sure sound is good while he’s looking out where the audience would be. As he does that he starts to step back and step back and step back. I want to say something but I don’t know any Korean. Just as the back of his legs come in contact with a chair I get on my knees, hand out like I’m about to say Wait! but it’s too late. He stumbles and falls back into the chair. It teeters a bit, but then settles with no crazy commotion. He looks around embarrassed, chuckling to himself with that gummy smile and makes sure no one saw. I looked away just as his eyes scanned my way so he wouldn’t know I’d seen.
Now I’m thinking to myself, well, I need to know how to say ‘be careful’, so I look over at Taehyung, and I’m like, “Uhm, are we allowed to talk to you?” He gives me a coy smile, nods, and kinda summons me closer with his index and middle finger near his ear, which lets me know, ‘yes, it’s ok, and talk into my ear cuz it’s loud in here’. So I crawl over and am like, “How do you say ‘be careful’ in Korean?” He smiles like he didn’t expect that and says it. I frown because his voice is so deep I can’t make out what he says, so he repeats it (which I still can’t make it out), and then he says it slower, expecting me to repeat each syllable. This is what I hear No-rae-ga ja-shi-ma-yo (each dash is the pause that he waited for me to repeat).
Anyway, I guess my brain was stuck on how it knew what he said was wrong because it woke me up, lol
*I Googled 'Be careful' when I woke up, and it's actually 조심하세요.
** I also used Google translate for what he actually had me say, and Google translate tells me Tae said: The song is sleeping.
What in the world was my subconscious trying to tell me lol
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nightswithkookmin · 3 years
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chile i'm so glad i came across your blog, the amount of "i'm not going to assume they're dating" or "we can only draw certain conclusions but i can't say for sure" "we don't know their sexuality, BUT" type blogs i follow is getting kinda wack lmao. while i appreciate their perspective and nuanced takes i need to strike a balance. like let's get a lil delulu every once in a while. 💀
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lol the im-not-a-shipper-but-call-jikook-boyfriends-every-other-post blogs are the funniest to me. the shipping hierarchy, so to speak is so weird. maybe just because im not a "shipping real people is bad" person i don't see the big deal. gonna get called delulu anyway, might as well go full out. they is gay/queer and they're fucking. i'm so sorry.
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*also can we touch on the fact that shipping in this type of fandom (kpop) is kind of inevitable and unavoidable??! these boys are the other people we see them with day in and day out, interacting with each other and no one else. i feel like it's natural to ship when there's no other people around to break up everything, idk maybe someone can articulate this better than me. and people who are made to feel stupid for thinking that 2 members could actually be dating is so dumb. like is it really out of the realm of possibility that two people (jikook, cause all them other ships are....😬) who spent almost every waking minute together for like 8 years could fall in love. really?
/rant
It's the delulu hat for me
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Lmho.
I guess for me being queer, I feel it's gaslighting for these people to be saying things like that. As silly as it is, it inadvertently deny and invalidate the existence and queerness of gay individuals and so I struggle with it.
This is the consequences of straight people in gay people business. They like defining gay parameters for us and it's like who asked you?? I feel people who say things like that are just plain ignorant or tone deaf or willfully homophobic.
I don't think everyone in BTS is gay but it makes me feel safe to see half the community assume them to be and celebrate them in that way. They are not cussing at them and threatening to leave the fandom or cancel them for this assumption and that is huge inspiration to me.
Those parts of the fandom are a safe space to be in as a queer army.
When people assume a person's queer sexuality they are simply admitting to themselves at the very least that LGBTQ EXISTS. This is important to me because I grew up in a community where LGBTQ didn't even exist in the collective consciousness of the people and EVERYONE IS AUTOMATICALLY ASSUMED TO BE STRAIGHT AND EXPECTED TO BE.
People read people's sexuality all the time and have done so since time immemorial and a lot of the time when they have had a sexuality read it's in the lines of straight, cis, rich, poor, superior or inferior. And that is a problem for some of us too because that discrepancy in the assumptions is as a result of homophobia and heteronormativity.
That whole don't assume a person's queer sexuality debacle sounds to me like a boujee way of denormalizing and preventing the normalization of queerness disguised under care, disguised under intelligence and disguised under wokeness. Especially when straightness is the default setting in this giant blue bulb.
We need to radicalize that. We need to change the cis straight default setting and if you are perpetuating this narrative you really aren't helping the situation. SIT DOWN.
I'm rarely assumed to be queer in certain circles and while that makes me feel comfortable within those circles it often times make it hard for me to admit my queerness openly in those circles too because I fear I will lose that comfort and respect and love and privileges that comes with being percieved straight in those spaces.
When I started my blog, I noticed some people assumed I was white and would use certain black descriptors as slurs when describing other people to me. I quickly had to switch the formal way in which I wrote to a much casual tone so my blackness would show through. Don't get it twisted. She black. She blackidy black black.
Then on the other hand, I was hesitant to let my queerness be known too because being black, I was marginalized as it is- you is black, or sound black💀 you know how it is- it's that intersectionality of oppression at play. Double double homicide.
When certain people realized I was black POC minority, their attitude towards me changed. I had those who didn't so much understand what black language is or perhaps wasn't used to being in black spaces and were uncomfortable with my blackness- these would take offense at me saying certain things in certain ways. Like chilee relax Karen, all I said was these motherfukkers gay as shit and they gay. Why you acting like I called them twinks or sommin. Right there, I'm cancelled for calling Jikook motherfuckers. They get sirens and everything😭😭😭😭😭😭
Same vein, I struggle destraightening myself or correcting people who assume I'm straight because I fear they will treat me differently if they knew I wasn't.
Straight privilege exists in the same way as white or even pretty privilege may exist and because these exist there's that automatic conception of queer, poc, ugly, fat disemfranschismet to run along side it.
People treat you differently based on how they perceive you. That's a fact. And for queer people, perceiving us as straight is the only way we get to be treated as human by the masses. And a lot of us embrace that- straight until proven gay am I right 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's the duper's delight for me. Untill you catch me with a 5'8 melanin skinned silk pressed auntie on my left nipple good luck proving I'm gay.
It can be fun, I akekeke when some people around me are totally oblivious to the fact and even sometimes defend my straightness with their dying breath when nasty friends throw them shades or try to out me unprovoked.
A lot of us don't want to admit we are gay because we don't want to be disenfranchised.
I speak for myself when I say this.
But 'Don't assume someone's sexuality' is a double edged censorship used for and against queer people. It seemly offers protection on the surface of it for queer people but underneath it promotes heteronormativity and standardizes straightness and it is also used to promote closet culture, under the disguise of care and concern for the autonomy of queer people but that is a fallacy because our autonomy has never mattered to anyone since the dawn of homophobia.
And I don't know where this interpretation comes from. Why do people not want to assume queer people's sexuality but it's ok to assume straight people's???
It feels like a hijacked movement to me.
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THIS IS THE ACCURATE MOVEMENT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
Don't assume all people are straight. It's ok to assume some people are queer because queer people exists too.
It is wrong however to assume queerness based on how a person talks, walks, dresses or even on their body type. That is stereotyping. And stereotyping is wrong.
When it comes to Jikook, Jimin is often stereotyped as gay more so than Jungkook because they have different body structures. Jungkook is stereotyped too solely because of the way his wrists hang, or based on moments he's femininity shines through.
But I don't think shippers stereotype Jikook in that way at all. I dont think shippers believe Jikook are dating eachother simply because Jungkook applied setting powder to his face that one time. They assume they are gay only because they believe those two to be dating eachother. That is not stereotyping. If those two were heterosexuals I don't think people will accuse their shippers of stereotyping.
It's one thing to assume Kai is gay because he looks skinny and dances well. It's another to assume he is gay because in a relationship with Gdragon. And if people can't tell the difference between the two, they should get some education and stop talking about things they know nothing about or only know because they stumbled across user69 on Twitter. They are not helping.
Untill people get offended when people assume others are straight, that rhetoric doesn't matter in its inequality. If you ask me, everyone is gay until proven straight.
Yet how many people will take offense at that?
Assuming people can be gay is not delulu.
It's ok to assume people can be gay. It's wrong to stereotype them as gay. If you can't assume they are gay, don't assume they are straight and don't assume at all. Run with this sis.
Wait, they don't ship Jikook but they call Jikook boyfriends???????👀👀👀👀👀
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The fake woke syndrome will kill people in this fandom with these mentally confused thought crisis bunch💀💀💀💀
Jikook themselves are shippers💀
Smh
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BTS Group Astrology Interpretation
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What is BTS's overall vibe? How does their debut influence them as a group, their sound, and how their career as a team will play out? There are a lot of things you can see about a group or business using event astrology, and we're going to explore how BTS's group astrology plays out for them as a whole. Want to see what placements are beneficial? Does their chart indicate fame? How does it influence their music? What potential things could be issues for them as a group? Lets take a look!
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(This is long winded, so grab some banana milk and churros and enjoy the ride!)
Chart Pattern
Their chart pattern is called a "Tripod" pattern. This pattern indicates that they like to do their own thing. They are the trailblazers, and are often doing things that have never been done before. They refuse to be boxed in. We can see this in a TON of their music but the song that comes to my mind first is "Idol." They are not afraid to speak their mind and to bravely put their thoughts and feelings out for anyone to see and hear.
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Personal Planets
Sun in Gemini - 7th House
Communication, self-expression, curiosity, and adaptability. This placement is STRONG for BTS when it comes to their lyrics and style. They change up their sound and styles frequently as they grow. They are excellent communicators and often times their lyrics are deep, but easy to follow.
They are crafters of the spoken word, and this placement is actually a great one for an artistic group. It allows them to stay current and to be able to understand and gather information about what is going on around them at all times.
Gemini Sun placements are very good at fitting in with the world around them, and in this case the placement is strengthened in the 7th house of relationships and beauty.
Gemini in the 7th house is all about learning how to get to know others better. This plays out in them trying to keep up with their fans and each other, and to really understand and relate to their closest relationships.
You can see this influence in their style, and in the way they try to empower, relate, and connect with people through aesthetics and communication. Take "Dynamite" for example: It was created in an attempt to connect, inspire and uplift people all over the world. It was well thought through, brilliantly created, and extremely successful.
Amongst themselves this placement allows for them to understand each other better. They are all very different people, but they all have an understanding and love for each other regardless, and this energy is part of what makes their bond so close due to it's ability to help them understand and communicate as a whole.
One thing they need to watch out with when it comes to this placement is a restlessness. They struggle to stay still for too long, which is good and bad. When it comes to the 7th house this means that they tend to not focus on one commitment for too long, but it also means that when things seem too stable they may get anxious as a group, which can cause some discord. Thankfully this is also good in the sense that it always helps them to stay relevant, and as long as they are investigating and researching before they make moves, they can use this to their advantage.
Moon in Leo - 8th House
Loyal, proud, adventurous, enthusiastic. This is a really bright and cheerful placement. It's also a placement that LOVES love.
In the 8th house this is a very creative and straightforward placement. They thrive on creating with their emotions, and they likely bring a positive spin to topics like death and rebirth. They often will have a deep understanding of things that are more taboo, and are able to express their views and feelings of these things in a creative and positive light.
As a whole they are very aware of the important people in their lives (ARMY), and it's very easy for them to emotionally attach because their love for their fans and their group is very deep and intense. If anything were to happen to their relationship to their fans or as a group it would be a huge blow.
They need to be able to express things in big, passionate ways. They have a big voice as a group, and it's likely people will try to discourage them and dull their shine and intensity. Think to when Namjoon and Yoongi were both teased and looked down on for being in a kpop group by other rappers. This is the energy they face as a group overall, and it's important to continually express their passion and energy regardless of the people that try to bring them down.
A downside is this placement tends to be pushy and somewhat domineering, so they need to stay patient with each other as a team. They may try to rush themselves into situations, and at times this could make them feel unstable, but again...as long as they are taking calculated risks with their music and contracts then this is a good thing.
Let me also say that this is a very psychic and intuitive placement and people and businesses with this placement are often times healers. They heal through their artistic expression, and they bring those deepest, darkest feelings to a place of comfort for their fans. If you look at all of their music there is a theme. Map of the Soul. That alone is already proof of this placement without including each song, their music videos and concepts, and the way they connect to their fans.
This is a GREAT position for a business because the moon in the 8th is also seen as a position that indicates wealth earned from others.
Ascendant in Sagittarius - 1st House
BTS has an overall energy that exudes exploration and is extremely social. They are relatable and well-respected all over the world. They are open-minded, flexible, and extremely good at adapting to constant change.
Hope. Excitement. Change. Optimism. This is a very good ascendant to have in both a personal and group situation. You can see everything here from adventure, to fame, to being charitable, to expression, to intuition.
Sagittarius is ruled by Jupiter and in the 1st house they are larger than life. This placement has been, and will continue to be, an amplifier for them. It is a placement that has led to fame, expansion, and notoriety.
This placement helps them be confident in themselves and their music. It's a placement of good luck and success. People are drawn in by the energy of this placement, and it helps BTS explore and understand all types of people, no matter their background.
They exude a colorful, childlike energy as a whole, even when talking about deep concepts and darker parts of the world and psyche. This makes them relatable and even for those that don't understand their lyrics, they can feel a sense of magic when listening to their music. They are funny, playful, hopeful, optimistic, and extremely likable.
This is another placement that has a strong intuition and a connection to spirituality. They often discuss things like the persona, shadow, ego, and the soul. These things are explored and the group as a whole grows and bonds through their own personal journeys and discoveries of who they are.
Generous. They LOVE to donate to causes. They LOVE to do things that better humanity. They are well informed, knowledgeable, and extremely attuned to the things going on in the world, and will sacrifice whatever they can as a group to bring awareness, support, and donations to causes that really need it.
A downside to this placement is a tendency to get bored, so they may have lots of projects that don't get finished or brought to light. They may get restless when they feel like they've been stuck in a situation for too long.
For some they may come off as naive or overly optimistic, and we can see that this was an issue in the beginning for them when they were looked at as just a kpop group, and not as a group that is more serious. Thankfully they have worked hard and proven time and time again that they are much more than just a kpop group.
Personally I don't see many challenges for a Sagittarius rising, and I love this placement. It's beautiful, and I could talk for days about how this placement is a lot of what BTS is known as.
Mercury in Cancer - 8th House
Here we find a place that helps BTS to slow down their high energy. Cancer is all about emotions, intuition, and going with the flow, and is traditionally ruled by the moon. Mercury is all about communication and knowledge, and the 8th house is the house of Scorpio traditionally. A place that is deep and watery.
This is a gentle, calm, and deep placement. They understand emotions, and express in a way that helps people who are in the darkest places feel heard and nurtured.
This placement is a huge one for music. It helps with rhythm, lyrics, and putting emotion into melody. This helps BTS express emotion through their sound, and that's a magnet for them as a musical group. Think poetry through sound and lyrics.
They can get frustrated as a group with "facts only" conversations, and as a whole will always touch on deeper subjects. They likely won't engage with drama or mainstream theatrics. They will likely stick to more personal topics in their music.
This also allows them to present or perform things in a powerful way that lets people know what they think and what they mean without any doubts. They are honest, and expect that honesty back from the world.
They may also need to retreat at times to work on projects or to go through their projects as a team, and all of them have to bring their viewpoints together in order to create the deep, soulful music we know. They likely have a ton of deep conversations amongst themselves about their feelings and emotions.
Ultimately this placement is kind, caring, and loving. BTS uses this placement to help people heal deeper wounds through love and compassion.
Venus in Cancer - 8th House
This placement honestly just triples the love, compassion, intuition, and care BTS has.
It brings a sensitivity and dependable energy to their group, and to their fans. They are protective, patient, and caring when it comes to their group and to ARMY.
This is another romantic placement, and it means they have a DEEP love for BTS as a whole and for their fans. They feel the connection on a deep level, and they place a ton of trust in their fans. (See Jungkook running into a crowd during a concert with zero fear, or how outspoken they are on controversial topics.)
They build a home amongst themselves, and invite their fans in to that home. It's a home built on dreams, intuition, love, compassion, and connection.
Again...spirituality. Literally their chart screams spirituality. This is another placement that focuses on the deep inner workings of being a human, loving ourselves and others, and developing humanity overall. You can see all of these spiritual influences in their music. They even touch on subjects like astrology, intuition, death of the ego, dark night of the soul...the list can go on for a long time.
They need to make sure to appreciate where they are at now, as this placement can make them forget to enjoy the moment. They need to allow themselves to revel in the current success and not chase after the next thing on their list. Celebrate the successes that you have now, because soon this moment will be a memory. Enjoy it while you are in it.
When they are hurt by someone or something they have a tendency to close down, and this would affect them on a more personal level. For example if someone in the group is hurt by a rumor, the entire group will put up a shield and nurture that person. They might withdraw from the public to make sure everyone is safe and cared for until there is no longer a threat. They also might hold grudges as a team against people who wrong them as a group, meaning that they could potentially fuel each other to do this if they aren't careful.
If you've ever noticed that they have a magnetic draw, part of that charm can come from this placement. It makes them naturally appealing and have a social chemistry as a whole that keeps people intrigued and coming back for more. As a group they develop each other and can actually increase each other's attractiveness.
Mars in Gemini - 7th House
Witty and edgy! Mars in Gemini knows how to use their words, and they definitely are not shy about it. This is a high energy placement and when the group is fired up about something expect there to be a lot of explosive communication about it. Think about songs like "Cypher 4" and "Ddaeng" and you can feel this energy.
Fast. This placement is FAST. This seems to be a good thing for BTS as long as they can take the moments to celebrate their successes as they happen. They are always quick to change and adapt. This speed allows them to keep up with trends, other groups, and the world. They just need to make sure all decisions are thought through, and usually this placement really helps them make calculated, smart decisions on the fly.
This placement is really good for BTS in the sense that it's usually a great fit for careers in the media, fashion, and entertainment. Again it's about keeping up with the trends and communication. What is cutting edge? This placement knows.
Usually people with mars in Gemini discharge their powerhouse energy through their hands, so it makes sense that as a group they are constantly making music. They also enjoy doing group puzzles and games together. (See BTS Run.) They have to constantly stay busy or they may get bored or depressed, and this just means that as a group they feel the most success and happiness when they are busy. They need that constant change so they can stay hyped up, and when they are all together their energy levels rise tremendously. This is where some of that chaotic energy comes from.
With Mars in the 7th house they may often times actually thrive in being the leaders, and they tend to have a dominant energy, but for a powerhouse group this is a good thing. They are extremely honest and loyal to their fanbase and they will likely fight anyone who comes for their team or their fans.
They are extremely competitive, and this placement almost always guarantees success. They don't stop until they are finished with a project, and they throw themselves into what they are passionate about as a group.
Jupiter in Gemini - 7th House
Lucky. Successful. Spiritual. Curious. Jupiter rules Sagittarius traditionally and this is actually a really great placement for them. They love to travel and be students of the world. They are constantly exploring in many different ways, and this allows them to bring their knowledge to a platform.
This placement is also very fortunate financially. It brings them wealth, which in the 7th house this can mean that it also brings the group lots of beauty and love.
Long term partnerships and relationships (with each other and their fans, and company) are predicted here. Jupiter is the sign of expansion and in the home of partnerships, relationships, and beauty, this can indicate a very happy, harmonious, long term situation.
I want to mention that their Ascendant is in Sagittarius and that actually affects this placement as well. Sagittarius being ruled by Jupiter means that this placement is actually their chart ruler. That means the effects of their Jupiter can be felt much stronger as a group than some of their weaker placements.
They have an innate ability to make their enemies into their friends, gain the affection and trust of the public, and to turn any partnership into a successful, financially lucrative situation. So this makes lots of people want to work with them and sponsor them. Think LG, FILA, Maplestory, Hyundai, Conway, Baskin Robbins, etc.
This placement personally makes the group very aware of their own energy overall. So they are very in tune with what feels like it's in alignment for them at any given time, and they will do research if they are not sure how they feel. They will usually discuss amongst themselves and really feel out how the whole group feels and thinks about things like partnerships and projects before committing to them.
Legal matters. They win. The 7th house is also the house of legalities and contracts so if at any point any legal matters arise for BTS, they have luck and intelligence on their side x10 because of this placement. They likely will quickly, easily, and successfully deal with any legal stuff that comes their way.
Last, but not least, for this placement: Their fans mean the world to them. Their love and relationship with their fans is amplified because of Jupiter being in the 7th, and you can see their love for their fans runs deep. It hits them very hard that they haven't been able to perform live, or meet their fans in person for a while, more so than a lot of other groups. They feel very deeply for their connection to their fans, and feel extreme amounts of happiness, love, and success when their fans show them love.
Saturn in Scorpio - 11th House
Hard workers first and foremost. Saturn is the planet that rules over hard work, and Scorpio is one of the most intense signs in the zodiac. They take their work very seriously, and they will dive into their work and won't come back up for air until it is finished.
Shadow healers. They use their music to relate to people on a level that makes you feel like you are their best friend. This allows them to really help you open up to yourself and dive into the depths. They can take you on many journeys through your soul and psyche and help you through even the toughest moments.
Saturn here is really fortunate because it means they are meant to reap the full benefit of their hard work. Whatever work they put in they are rewarded tenfold in time. Because they had to put in the work they appreciate the reward a lot more, and generally don't let things like materialism or finances go to their heads. (See Bangtan forgets they are millionaires videos on Youtube.)
Friendship and their relationships with fans are very important to them. They value the friendship that the group has overall, but also externally. They actually gain a ton from their friendships due to this position, which is no surprise. Think about all of their music collaborations, and the fact that their fans are what makes them successful. This Saturn can traditionally make it hard for the person to open up completely, but...that's not necessarily a bad thing for BTS because they are a KPOP group, and need that privacy.
Speaking of privacy:they treasure their privacy, and they are extremely protective over their individual lives away from the group. They tend to have a wound here about trusting others with things like this, and I think rightfully so honestly. Fame can bring good and bad things, and being overly cautious when it comes to who you let inside is important for idol groups.
This placement also nods to a group that refuses to follow trends. They are very unique and want to express that, so they will ignore what everyone else is doing, and follow their own beat. This can lead to them feeling isolated as a group sometimes, which may make them doubt themselves at times, but they ultimately should know that this ability to be themselves is what attracts the greatest things into their lives.
Their biggest shadow fear is the fear of being misunderstood. Mostly because of the point we just went over. They have a fear that they will be so deep or different that people won't understand them and that they will lost interest, or they will never truly understand their messages.
They also may fear that they will lose their passion as a group and things may spin out of their control, or become inconsistent. They want to heal the world and reach as many people as possible, and there's a fear that they won't do this, and at this point that they would lose the status they have and stop being able to change the world through their music.
They need to know that their whole chart is lucky, and as long as they keep following their passions, their spirituality, and their values they will be extremely successful as a group. You're already so many leagues ahead of so many people BTS, so look around right now and know that you are safe and that so many millions of people love and support you.
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Transpersonal Planets:
Uranus in Aries - 4th House
A powerful trailblazing placement! This is yet another sign and planet combination that goes their own way and leads the group into uncharted territory with confidence.
Uranus in the 4th house traditionally makes them feel like they are outcasts or outsiders. That they don't necessarily fit in or have a "home." Aries being here drives them to create a home of their own. This is why they make every person feel included and safe with them.
They also will find that this aspect makes them feel at home with each other as a team of people who may feel like they don't fit in with "normal" society, but they feel like they fit in with each other.
As a whole they will encourage each other to rebel against society, norms, and traditions. They will all feel like a fire is lit beneath them when they are working together. A passion and bravery will exude from them as a whole.
This will give them a craving for freedom (which goes hand in hand with their Sagittarius Ascendant) and a desire to be independent. They will find that this placement develops a safety and stability within their group, and this is what gives them a strong foundation. They may at times come off as cliquey but they are far from it. They just really like to do their own thing, and are confident in the foundation they continually build together as a team.
Normally this placement can indicate hardships with family, but because it's a group chart reading this is saying that they come from all different backgrounds, and atmospheres, and they find a way to make anywhere their home as long as they are together. At times they can be dependent on each other, but this bond is what gives them stability in their endeavors as a team.
They are all inclusive, meaning that their love (ARMY, music, each other) doesn't judge, and it accepts everything. They are not superficial, and they like to think of themselves as a safe place for anyone and everyone to land.
Neptune in Pisces - 3rd House
Led by their intuition and thinking processes, they will look within their group and themselves to move forward.
I know this is sounding like a broken record but: SPIRITUALITY. I can't say it enough. They like to know the ins and outs of the deepest parts of life. They like to develop themselves on an individual level, as well as in their group. They then like to share this journey through music and art as true Neptune in Pisces placements often do.
It's another placement that gives them a leg up when it comes to communication as well. They have a way of using metaphors, art, sound, lyrics, and emotion to explain and teach things on a global scale. It's one of the reasons they are so popular globally, and relate to almost anyone they come across.
This placement has a power struggle early on between the mind and intuition. Generally there's a lack of knowledge on how to express, but over time as the mind and creativity flow together, it becomes a powerful placement. We can actually see this in BTS in the way that early on their music was influenced more by others, and now they are the ones who are creating their music exclusively from within themselves.
Eccentric, different, funny, and sociable. This placement creates a very forward-thinking group that loves the unusual and thrives from doing things in their own ways. It's given a very energetic and humorous spin because of the fact that the ascendant is in Sagittarius, and the overall energy of their chart allows for the group to have a massive amount of freedom, passion, and drive.
Pluto in Capricorn - 2nd House
I laugh at this placement because this can lead to a tendency to be very frugal with money, but can lead to holding onto things too tightly. So for instance: If your phone breaks, you tape it back together instead of buying a new phone. It's not that you can't afford one, it's that you don't value buying a new phone, and would rather save the money for something better. Plus you like that phone, and it still works, so why not?
This is a very logical and practical placement, and the goal of this placement is to teach the group what is really valuable, and in doing so they can translate that to the world. It causes them to develop as a team in the realm of stability and finances.
They are incredibly gifted at following their intuition as a group when it comes to what they spend money on, how their tours are organized, what businesses to partner up with, and how much to invest into their projects financially. They just understand and know the ins and outs of what is the best deal and what can bring them the most success.
They likely have struggled as a team with the pull of money versus stability from within. They have to continually understand that their group is stable and abundant just because of who they are, and that it's not all about how much you can earn or how successful you are. This will help alleviate the fear that all can be lost at any moment by helping them understand that they could lose these things, but that they won't lose their stability in each other.
The lesson is to let go a little. They need to follow their intuition, and it's okay if they are a little possessive over their team, their fans, and their success, but they also need to be okay with letting things come and go. They seem to already work through this challenge really well, and thankfully their other placements make it a lot easier to not get stuck holding onto everything. See the song "Let Go."
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Aspects:
Scorpio North Node - 12th House
Their purpose as a group is literally to show the transformation process (death and rebirth, spirituality) through art and music.
Their challenges are to embrace the unknown and to teach others how to do the same while understanding and accepting their emotions and themselves for who they really are.
It's all about embracing change and emotions for what they are and flowing through them. You will find that most of their music is about this very thing. Love yourself. Map of the soul. It's all about transforming yourself by working through your shadows and wounds.
Song recommendations if you want examples: Butterfly, Interlude: Shadow, Persona, Ego, Black Swan, Mikrokrosmos, Magic shop....I could just say their entire catalog really.
The goal is to change the world by helping people step out of their comfort zones, follow their passions, and love themselves. If that isn't beautiful, I don't know what is. If you find yourself drawn to BTS, don't be surprised if you are also drawn to spirituality, self-love, and massive personal transformation.
Pisces Chiron - 3rd House
When I do group Chiron placements they are read as how the group helps their fans, each other, and potentially the world heal.
In this case they help each other and the world believe in the universe again. That there is good in the world, and that we are all part of one big beautiful consciousness. (Not to get all spiritual on you.)
People who feel like the universe has dealt them a bad hand, beaten down by the world, discouraged with life, will come to BTS for healing. When you listen to their music and connect to them as a group it creates a sense of oneness. They teach others that they are important, they do have a place in this world, and that they belong. Your differences are what makes you who you are, and they are here to help you see that, accept it, and embrace it.
They will help you see that even in the darkest times there is always light. There is always hope, and you are ultimately in control of your life. They teach that the universe co-creates with you.
This placement helps them to open people up when they've shut down. To nurture people back to believing in the good again. They do this through communication and connection. They help people to face their wounds and to transform from them instead of running away from them. Then once they've faced them, they teach you how to voice your thoughts, your passions, your emotions.
Chiron in Pisces helps them to understand and actually feel other people's emotions and pain, so as a group they need to make sure they take the time to recharge after long tours or giving their energy to people. They can easily take on other people's emotions as their own, but this is also what helps them heal others.
The 3rd house Chiron placement also helps them teach others to find a balance between logic and intuition. Practicality and spirituality. Light and dark. A place where you can have both instead of leaning into one or the other.
Speak your truth. Be yourself. Feel your feelings. Love yourself. "Speak yourself."
Midheaven (MC) - Virgo
This makes so much sense it hurts me. Virgo Midheaven is all about having the ability to look inside yourself and bring what you find out in the open to teach others. They are destined for a career that allows them to better themselves (which they all do) as well as the world around them.
They use language as a healing tool, and are suited to a career that allows them to express their knowledge that they've gained from deep introspection. They are direct, but nurturing. They often bring a grounding energy into their career.
They strive for perfection and organization, which for a group placement makes a ton of sense, considering this is for their career.
This also indicates an importance when it comes to coworkers and teamwork, which is yet another reason they all work so well together.
They have great attention to detail, and we can see this in how much work they put into getting each part of their music to be just right. It's a great placement for working on masterpieces.
There is a tendency to be overly critical of their work as a group, but again...they need to recognize their accomplishments and their success in the moment and this will help curb that. Plus a little self-criticism can be a push forward if it's constructive.
Hopefully this gives you some insight into who BTS is and how they interact with each other, their fans, and the world around them. At some point I would love to expand even further on their placements because they exude such a warm and supportive energy.
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Here's their chart for anyone who is interested. More on their aspects to come at a later time!
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akookminsupporter · 3 years
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Really sick of the fans who are upset at BTS releasing English songs, but it’s like yelling in an echo chamber when you talk with them about it because they’re so unwilling to listen. BTS has only TWO fully English songs that aren’t collabs out of their entire discography. Why are people upset at BTS playing the game when we should be mad at the game itself?? If the industry gave their Korean songs the justice and recognition they deserved, then maybe we wouldn’t have this conversation. Look at Life Goes On. Dynamite proved to be a hit song and cemented BTS’ place as one of the top artists of this generation yet LGO was given no support (radios in the US played it like a max of FIFTEEN times). Then Butter happened and we saw again just how xenophobic the industry is and how much the insiders hate that a Korean band is succeeding.
When BTS broke into the western market, you know what kpop fans, western fans, and industry professionals said? They said, “Who even are these guys? They’re nobodies. Their numbers are suspicious and the GP doesn’t know them. They’re frauds who don’t deserve a place.” And then BTS grew bigger. They have the biggest fanbase in the world right now, that’s irrefutable, and guess what people say now. They say, “They’re only successful because of their huge fanbase. Their fans mass buy their number ones. The GP doesn’t even know them. They’re frauds who don’t deserve a place in the industry.” BTS built their fanbase from the bottom up because we saw just how amazing they were and just how deserving they were of success, we saw people constantly put them down, so we helped them reach a status where when you think of dedicated fans, you think of ARMYs. And yet, they’re still being shut out because the narratives keep changing to make sure they stay out. You’d think fans who see this consistent effort to break BTS would be understanding of the lengths BTS are literally forced to go to in order to get their deserved justice, but these “ARMYs” just don’t seem to get it. All I have to say is, I’ll enjoy Dynamite, Butter, Permission to Dance, and all of BTS’ entire KOREAN and Japanese discography and if you want to get mad at BTS for having 2, maybe 3, songs in English, you are free to stan any other group. BTS are fine without fans like that.
Anon said everything I wanted to say and actually something I said before. But anon said it better. Don't hate BTS for playing the game. Hate the game and if you think they shouldn't play it well... welp.
The conversation of BTS making music in English and how for many it's bad and blah blah, we already had it before they released Butter. The arguments are the same and my answers are the same so I don't see the need to have that conversation again.
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stormblessed95 · 3 years
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Have you seen what's going on on Twitter? It makes me wanna cry honestly. There's a group of black pink supporters in a Twitter space being racist and homophobic towards bts and jimin in particular and accusing a specific member of assault. And these people do not care. They were called out and they're doubling down. It's trending. Thousands of tweets about it. What they're saying is so disgusting I won't even repeat it.
And one of the saddest things I'm seeing is that Army who are defending the guys seem to leave out the part where the mean girls were being homophobic towards jimin. I've seen posts after posts about how they should be reported for racism and false accusation but it's almost crickets on the homophobia.
You don't have to post this. You can if u want to but I just wanted to type this to get it off my chest cause it was so disgusting how they were acting. It isn't even about me but their general attitude towards a race and lgbtq people just shook me tbh. They were just horrible. I can't imagine how jimin would feel if he heard this and I hope he doesn't. Even if he sees something is trending. For his own mental health I hope he avoids it.
I truly hope consequences come from this cause this is unacceptable.
Anon message: Not to bring the mood down but it seems jm can't catch a break. Btwn ppl projecting their sexual orientation or gender or even social issues on him & those who hate him for "steaaling" the spotlight from other members & those who hate him bcoz of a ship, add to that non army who hate him coz they jealous he's korea's #1 idol & their "oppa" isn't that's a lot of hate to throw at the poor guy. Been around kpop for almost a decade. I've never seen this done to any other celebrity. It's nauseating.
2 what's also kinda new (although it did exist before but it was minor cases) is the bullying jm stans have to face for just appreciating jm. I've seen ytbers apologize for prefering jm. Jm stans being attacked under his own vids & tweets etc. I have never seen this amount of bullying before. The only time i saw smthg similar was when e.x.o ka* was caught dating & ka*soo shippers came up with toxic theories to refute his dating scandal. E.x.ols were not having any of that BS & had to shut them
3 to the point where those ka*soo shippers openly talked about being bullied & ppl trying to censor them. I've followed many groups, seen petty fights during those 10 yrs NOTHING comes close to what's happening with army & jm. & yes i'm saying army bcoz to me ppl who know what the bloody hell is going on & look the other way are just as guilty as the bullies. Yes army if a big fandom & we can't control what is going on but at least ppl should stop minimizing the problem coz that's disgusting.
I'm combining both of these asks because they cover all the hate that has been essentially happening since forever but really gotten out of control the past 2 or so weeks. This is heartbreaking, horrifying and sad. I don't know what needs to happen. I would I guess love to see BH legally crack down on a lot of people. I don't know how that would work or what needs to happen... but this is absurd. I need to see big accounts stepping up to speak out on this. I need to see more action from the so called fandom instead of ONLY jimin biased and jkkrs. Jimin deserves so much better. All I can for us to do is to make sure we are very very vocal about our love for Jimin and Sharing about his talents and how amazing he is. We can also email Hybe/Big Hit to report all the slander when we see it. And if you see it on SM sites, report report report. Do not engage with them and feed them attention. Just report everywhere you can. This breaks my heart so much. I want to give Jimin a giant hug, wrap him in bubble wrap and take a baseball bat to everyone else who doesn't just heap love and praise on him. I'm glad he has the members around him and hope he is leaning on them for support.
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nct-lian · 3 years
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lian’s biggest twitter fan accounts
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they/them !!
will not stop talking about a limark subunit
was attacked by yun stans for saying they shipped lido
radiates raging bisexual energy
lian biased but is currently wrecked asf for sungchan
are we surprised though
they quote old limark memes even though they’ve only been in the fandom for 11 months
but who doesn’t so it’s okay
is relatively new compared to some other fans but is able to say that lian is the only woman ever
and we all agree <3
they bought the user “127LIAN” off of an old fan for $100 dollars
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she/her !!
somehow includes “lian frat girl” into everything
her camera roll is just lian throwing up 🤟
misses lian’s blonde hair 24 hours a day 7 days a week
so incredibly lazy she doesn’t even have the energy to make her account look pleasing to the eye
spammed trump with lian fancams on her birthday
once got into a fanwar with an army over whether or not lian should be in nct
the army lost
was originally taeil biased but when i tell you she fell HARD for lian after rewatching their regular mv
i’m not exaggerating
uses her account for talking with mutuals + just posting pictures of lian rather than anything else
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she/her !!
lian is her entire world, as you probably read
has been a fan for a VERY long time and was able to support lian through her entire solo career up until now
figured out she was lesbian after watching lian’s stay tonight mv,,
she was able to win an online fansign with lian
lian actually remembered her from a tim hortons that she and mark visited when they went back to toronto for tour
so they had a nice conversation with each other like they were friends :(
said previously that she shipped lian with jungwoo but later said that she just wants lian to be happy and wouldn’t care who she needed up with
has a hella bad habit of cracking her knuckles when it’s quiet
messages lian’s instagram account any time she can and will tell her about how her day went even though she’ll never reply
makes sure to send her goodnight texts as well !
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she/her !!
#1 yun stan as you can tell
while some yun stans are actually kind of toxic, she’s one of the good guys and will respect other’s opinions on the matter
she actually participated in making fun of yuta when that video of him backstage was uploaded
it was embarrassing, how could she not?
posts daily yun quotes and went viral SO SO SO many times because her account is used to prove that yun is real
“hErE lOoK aT tHis aCcOunT iT hAs AlL tHe aNswErS”
one quote in particular got over 100k likes: [yuta on vlive] comment: how did you feel about lian dancing with that boy for her pre-release single? yuta: actually, i told him to watch where his hands go :)
kpop twt was the embodiment of “AHHHH GO CRAZY AHHHH GO STUPID” for a whole two weeks before they decided to calm down again
not just nct twt, a KPOP twt as a whole-
she just wants more yun moments y’all
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he/him !!
heard mark say he called lian marijuana once and just rolled with it
is so straight for lian it’s not even funny
watches lian’s fancams religiously
he streamed dream of you for two days straight
refuses to ship her with anyone from nct because he thinks it makes them uncomfortable
so he ships her with bang chan instead <333
it’s reasonable
once tweeted that he wouldn’t sleep until lian replied to him and he got:
“sleep well, angel~!” in return
he cried
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she/her !!
OKAY DO YOU KNOW THAT ONE ACCOUNT THAT ALWAYS GETS REPLIES FROM JAEHYUN ??
THIS IS THAT SAME ACCOUNT BUT LIAN VER.
like lian literally ALWAYS replies to her
“how to be nayutaslian”
her aesthetics have been on point since april 2018 mwah
she’s double biased for lian and another member that changes like every single day
today it’s hendery
is a sucker for lian’s gotta go era + 127’s kick it era
almost started a petition for lian to change her stage name to her real name because she thinks that lianna is such a beautiful name
which it is
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59writes · 3 years
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THE DRAW (PART ONE)
(PART TWO)
if you’re reading this as like an actual fic: first of all I’m sorry. how did you end up here. it’s most definitely 2 am go to bed. this fic was literally made because of a fucking uquiz about “ what kpop boy are you enemies to lovers with”
second of all, ignore any chess mistakes. idk I know legit fuckall about chess, my brother just always bitches about it whenever I want to stop playing because I just have my king left or smth like that because I know I’ve lost. mf reads chess books.
like look: I UNDERSTAND the game and how it works, and the idea that you have to think ahead and plan. but I’m adhd as shit and there’s no such thing as time or planning. ergo, I suck. like I SUCK. I feel like if I applied myself I’d be great but fuck that. I’m a bad chess player and y’all gotta deal.
third: I mention League Of Legends at one point. I’m so cringe yes shut up ok but I’ve been special interest-ing League for several months now and I need to let you know that Josh, y/n, and Jeonghan play a mean jungler/adc/support combo (respectively). I have so many more headcanons typed in my draft or whatever but I know nobody wants to see it so
anyways pls enjoy this train wreck of a fic lol
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If you had known playing chess would have led to this bullshit, you never would have started playing in the first place.
You wouldn’t have worked your ass off, wouldn’t have pored through strategy books and watched live-streamed games, wouldn’t have competed for months to become an official grandmaster. Absolutely not. None of that hard work and pride deserved to be wasted on Yoon Jeonghan.
Thanks to your exceptional academics and study habits, as well as your headlining pursuits in chess, private schools crawled to your front door and begged for you to give them money just so they could brag about having you as arm candy. You didn’t care. It was free scholarships, a chance to leave your tiny town, a chance to start anew with people just like you. If you were lucky, they wouldn’t know your fame status, or would be used to the junk by now. Some would probably be even more popular than you.
So you grabbed a paper, scribbled a signature on, and packed your bags.
You had picked an academy for the arts, as logic games apparently counted as one. They figured they could do something with your whimsical essay writing as well, submit you in scholastic contests. It didn’t matter. You were free, and there to play some goddamn chess.
They had a hardcore club there, meeting daily on weekdays and occasionally for casual play on the weekends. Everyone there was excellent, all clever players with quick logic and a competitive edge that you hadn’t seen in a while. It was refreshing, but still not enough of a challenge.
You swept the floor with your classmates, and rose to the top of the club’s rankings within a week.
Of course you lost games here and there, as everyone did, but for the most part any game you began was imbalanced from the beginning. Your opponent could at best only defend themselves, only able to pick off pawns or bait bishops that inevitably ended in a brutal checkmate.
You were top of the class, and for once it took some effort. You felt like you’d earned something, and you were actually interacting with serious chess players who wanted to learn, not fawn over your work. They played fair and every game was fun.
That was until the blond bitch came in.
He sauntered into the class about a month after you’d hit the top of the leaderboard, long blond hair tied back in a neat and slick ponytail. You barely noticed, immersed in a game with another boy, Joshua. You studied the board as your opponent looked up, grinning wildly.
“Jeonghan!” He called out, waving at the other boy.
Jeonghan’s ponytail whipped across his shoulder as he turned, matching Josh’s smile with a killer beam of his own and jogging over.
“‘Shua!” He chirped, playfully wrapping an arm around Joshua’s neck, strangling him while his other hand smooshed Josh’s hair around.
You watched them wrestle for a second before clearing your throat. “Josh, your move.”
“Aw shit.” Josh says, wrestling Jeonghan’s arm away from his shoulder. “Back to the ass kicking.”
You grin. “If you hadn’t made that dumb move literally third turn in-“
“Hey! We are NOT talking about that!”
You snort and glance at Jeonghan, who’s gone quiet, studying the board. He crouches down and whispers in Josh’s ear, both of them scanning the board. Josh finally nods, pushing one of his pawns forward.
“What was that about, Hong?” You ask, capturing said pawn with a neat L from your knight.
“Nothing.” He replies sweetly, while Jeonghan smirks.
“Sure it wasn’t.”
Josh doesn’t reply. The rest of the game is tensely quiet, interrupted only by Jeonghan murmuring into Joshua’s ear every few minutes, a devil on his shoulder.
But it was fine, you were ahead by a few pieces, your bishops slowly inching towards a checkmate. The next move was it, the game in the bag.
And then your queen is gone.
Jeonghan takes the liberty of removing it from the board with a proud smile while Joshua cackles.
The game doesn’t last much longer, soon the both of you down to just pawns and your king, and then just the kings. A draw.
And let’s be honest here: Joshua kinda sucks at chess.
Josh counted it as a victory, though, hitting Jeonghan with a high five that echoed around the classroom like a firecracker. The boys talked briefly while you set up the board again for the next duo and packed your bag, ready to head to your dorm for a much-needed nap.
You wave to Joshua and turn to go, only making it a few steps before someone grabs your wrist. You whip around, ready to tell them off, only to be met with Jeonghan interrupting whatever swear you were about to say with a sharp smile.
“I’m playing you on Monday.”
He lets go of your wrist and turns around, resuming his talk with Josh as if nothing happened.
Rubbing your wrists ruefully, you headed home.
•••
Of course, his bullshit didn’t stop there.
You did, in fact, play him on Monday. He had you cornered within five minutes.
The next time, in four.
He gathered a crowd a few games in. Every time you’d meet his gaze he’d smirk, eyes brimming with some sort of superiority that made you furious, always endlessly cool and calm. He’d flick his hair over his shoulder every so often, even stopping to talk to spectators while you puzzled over the board, trying to hide your stress.
You were second place by Wednesday.
•••
“You cheated.”
Jeonghan just raises a brow.
“Put the rook back.” You growl, firm.
“Sorry?” He ignores your request, instead poking at one of your previously captured pawns he has resting on the table next to him. “Can you move? I’ve almost got checkmate.”
“My rook, Yoon.” You hold out your hand. “Give it back, or put it back yourself. H6.”
“I really don’t know what you’re talking about. Do you resign? If we were using a timer you’d have been disqualified sometime last week.”
It’s taking every ounce of self control to not slap the living shit out of the smug bastard. “Jeonghan, if you don’t-“
“How’s the game going here?” The chess club leader had made her way to your table, grinning widely upon seeing her favorite students.
Jeonghan smiles kindly at her while you curl in on yourself, trying not to explode. “It’s fine, Ms. Lee. Almost done with this one.”
“Are you missing a piece? Looks like the black rook-“
“Must have fallen off the table.” Jeonghan chirps, ducking under the table and returning with the piece in hand. He sets it with the rest of his captured black army, sending a thumbs up at Ms. Lee. “Thanks for noticing, we don’t need to lose any more pieces.” It’s an innocent sentence, but it makes you turn a boiling red. Lose a piece, my ass.
“Well played, both of you.” She replies, patting Jeonghan on the head fondly before walking off. The blond rolls his eyes, ducking his head so Ms. Lee can’t see.
“Jeonghan, you asshole.” You hiss as soon as Ms. Lee is out of earshot. “I saw you take it out of your pocket, you lying-“
“If you’re not moving, I’m going to.” Jeonghan replies, moving his bishop forward to capture your queen. “Checkmate. Good game.”
You can only gape as he grabs your hand to shake it and walks off, approaching Joshua.
That was when you really knew you hated him.
•••
You studied his games from then on, partially to learn, partially to gather evidence. If he was cheating this consistently with other players, you could definitely get him kicked out of the club and subsequently your life once competition season started, as well as learn and potentially steal his strategies.
Infuriatingly, though, every single game he played besides the hellish ones with you were completely fair. No pieces being slipped into his thin hands when nobody was looking, no clock taps that discreetly took a few seconds from his opponent’s timer. Even with Josh, who he was best buddies with: not even a joking steal or a prank of any kind.
It was just with you.
Every single game you played together, he managed to do something to piss you off, if not blatantly cheat. If it was one of the days you had spectators, his harassment would come in the form of heavy looks and obnoxious “I’m waiting”-esque moves: tapping his nails on the desk, raising a brow, checking his watch.
And if you were alone, you basically had to glue your pieces down to the board to stop them from slipping their way into his pockets. It was obvious when he did it, too, always sending you a smile, too innocent.
It was infuriatingly adorable how proud he was of his nasty behavior. And he was focused too: none of his other opponents got the thought and effort he put into outwitting you and attempting to steal things without you noticing. As much as you hated him, you had to admire it.
Which is why it was so hard to finally draw a line and refuse to play with him anymore.
Though he shrugged when you put your foot down, his dark eyes watched you the rest of that club session. Every time you caught him, he held your gaze for a moment before looking away and resuming cheerfully animated conversation with his opponent.
God, how was he so easily likeable?
He respected your decision, though, and didn’t even attempt to talk to you. It was genuinely polar and strange, and it made you lost in thought as the months passed.
You almost missed the absence of anger, as stupid as it was. School had always been boring and simple, and chess with Jeonghan was the only thing to have made you frustrated in a long time, to have truly challenged you in a long time.
Even when you buckled down on trying to get him out of your head, he seemed to follow- being friends with Joshua (and honestly most of the other club members) almost always devolved into chats about the club and “why aren’t you playing Jeonghan anymore?”. Josh often suggested playing video games with the two of them, and you had to refuse (although playing League with Josh was so fun).
It was lonely.
Stupid Jeonghan.
•••
Finally, tournament season started.
Following (what was apparently) club tradition, the entire team dyed their hair between practices. You settled with a simple streak of blue that was stolen from Josh (he went completely teal, the madman).
The next day, Jeonghan came to practice with his blond ponytail gone, replaced by a dark brown undercut, hair bluntly chopped to end around his jaw.
Unfortunately, it suited him.
He saved a blond spot for a bit of Josh’s blue, however, and Josh dyed it for him in the middle of the clubroom, laughing the whole time. They’d planned it, clearly, as you were pretty sure Josh didn’t just carry around dye in his backpack.
Which means he knew you two would match when he did your hair.
It was confirmed by an apologetic shrug when you cornered him while he threw away the dye-stained gloves.
“Give him a chance, please y/n?”
“Hong Jisoo. You know how I feel about that dumbass-“
“y/n-“
“Why are you so insistent on having us talk again? He’s a two-faced-“
“y/n, you’d like him. He’s funny, and genuinely nice. I don’t know why he was acting like that with you, but that was almost three months ago. Give him a chance.”
“You should be glad I like you, you stupid fucking rat.”
Josh laughs as you walk away, fuming.
Unfortunately, you did like that stupid fucking rat, and so when he offered dinner after an out-of-state tournament (he pinky swore he’d pay) you finally gave in.
Jeonghan coming?
lol yea
that ok?
not rlly
I’ll give him a chance tho
:D thank u
you owe me
I’m buying ur food :(
josh we r literally getting fast food
you owe me
lol k >:)
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beomgyushighlights · 3 years
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Circus {H.K}
Day 1 (XII)
"all eyes on me in the center of the ring just like a circus"
in which the first words Nari's soulmate says to her are "free britney"
or
in which two idols find their soulmates in each other after thirteen days of little comments without knowing who the other was
-a short story soulmate au-
©beomgyushighlights 2021
do not translate or repost without permission
(can also be found on wattpad and ao3 under the same username)
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As the choreographer allows a break, the members of the band sit and cool down while the arguably most chaotic member sings Circus by Britney Spears quite loudly. The sound of footsteps running in the hall catches the attention of the band as someone yells, "FREE BRITNEY!" before they continue running down the hall.
   Confused, Chang Nari looks around the room, her band mates equally confused before she realizes that those are the first words her soulmate says to her. She rushes to look outside the door into the hallway, unfortunately too late to see the culprit. Sighing, she walks back to her band mates and takes a sip of her water.
   "What was that?" Eun asks. "My soulmate." She shrugs. Osamu spits his water out in shock. "What!?" All four members ask at the same time. "Free Britney." She says showing them her wrist. "H.K, 18, XII." Hyejin reads.
   "Okay, your soulmate is eighteen, good you won't catch a case. Twelve months? Days? Minutes?" Yejun says. "Unless you keep track it's hard to tell. Mine said twelve and then the next minute it said eleven so that's how I kept track and found my soulmate twelve minutes after our concert." Osamu says.
   "Duri is so amazing." Hyejin gushes over Osamu's soulmate. "Well it's been a minute and it hasn't changed so it's not minutes." Nari says. "Okay, back to practice." The choreographer says. Practice goes well and soon the band is going back to their dorm.
   The bands dorm is five bedrooms so each member has their own and that proves convenient for when someone wants a guest over. Opening the door, Hyejin hears a loud meow and a hello. "Duri!" Eun yells, running to the kitchen where Duri is cooking for the band. "Nabi!" Nari yells, picking up the small kitten that ran to her.
   Petting the four month old cat, Nari walks to the kitchen were everyone has gathered. "Hi, Duri!" She smiles at the older female. "Hi, Nari. Nabi was very talkative today." She smiles back. "She seems to get more and more talkative every day." Yejun says.
   "She also gets more energetic each day." Hyejin says. "She's only a kitten, of course she's energetic." Nari defends. A knock on the door pulls their attention and Nari goes to open it as she's the closest. She looks out the peephole before she opens it. "Hello?" She says. "Hello, are you one of the members of H.O.N.E.Y?" He asks her.
   "Yes, how can I help?" She asks. "I'm Kang Taehyun of Tomorrow x Together, we wanted to know if you guys have any time that we can meet and ask for advice? BTS recommended asking you guys for more advice if we need it." He says. "One moment." She smiles turning to face the kitchen.
   "CAN SOMEONE BRING ME THE PLANNER AND A PEN AND ALSO GRAB NABI FROM ME!?" She yells. "YEAH." Eun yells back. Eun brings the planner and a pen and grabs Nabi from Nari's arms. "Okay, so, we are really busy training this week but we are available two Tuesdays from now, that's in twelve days." She says. Taehyun pulls out his phone and checks his calendar.
   "We're free then, where do you want to meet?" He asks. "Just bring your band here, as long as no ones allergic to cats." She says. "None of us are, So two Tuesdays from now, here, what time?" He asks. "Two in the afternoon?" She asks. "That works, thank you." He says with a bow. "It's no problem." She smiles.
   She closes the door an shoes back to the kitchen. "WE MADE IT!" She yells. "What!?" Yejun asks. "BTS recommended a newer band to us for advice." She smiles. "Ooh, what band?" Hyejin asks. "Tomorrow x Together." She answers, grabbing the pencil from next to the calendar. She finds the Tuesday that's planned and writes 'txt at 2pm'.
   "Oh, oh, uhh, they have that song with morse code at the beginning that they debuted with, right?" Yejun asks Osamu. "Yeah, Crown." Osamu confirms. "They also have anti-romantic, which has a tiktok dance." Eun says. "I like Nap of a star." Hyejin says. "Two Tuesdays from now at 2pm?" Eun asks. "Yes, it's on the planner and the calendar, just like always." Nari confirms.
   "Taehyun came to the door and introduced himself. He said that BTS recommended us if they needed more advice." She gushes. "You look up to them so much it's hilarious." Eun laughs. "They have over 47 million followers on instagram and they have like over 35 million monthly listeners on spotify. They have fans in probably every country, they have worked with Halsey and others, they have broken so many barriers in the Kpop world, and they have won countless awards. Why wouldn't I look up to them?" She asks.
"Your fan girl is showing, Nari." Duri laughs. "Oh well, it's not a secret I'm an army." She shrugs. Duri finishes cooking dinner and plates it for everyone before they sit and eat together. They share light conversation, just bonding as they usually do. "I'm thinking about getting a puppy." Nari says randomly after a few moments of silence.
   "No you aren't." Eun says. "Yeah, I'm not. It's like that one time I said I was going to cut my hair short, I don't mean it I just said it because I thought about it." I shrug. "Do you wanna dye your hair tonight? I have leftover pink and with your black roots it'll look really good, we can just put it over the bleached part." Hyejin says. "Yes, as soon as we finish dinner that way I have time to shower and be well rested for tomorrow." She says.
After dinner, Osamu and Yejun do the dishes while Hyejin and Nari go to the bathroom and Eun goes and sits in the living room with Duri. Nari sets up her phone to do a live while Hyejin works on her hair. "Hello, hello." She waves as people start joining. "How's my day? My days been very good, we did a lot of practicing dances and then we came home and ate a nice dinner and now Hyejin is dying my hair." She says.
"What color? Pink." She answers. "I got an idea, you trust me right?" Hyejin asks her. "Yes, do whatever you want to my hair." She replies. "Favorite english word? Ricochet or maybe bodacious. I like to say words like ethereal and surreal as well though." She says.
   "Something exciting that happened today? Well, today I had a fellow idol ask if their band could meet with our band and ask some advice because BTS recommended us for if they needed more advice. I was very honored." She answers.
   "My bias in BTS? Not available because they're all kinda like older brothers to me." She says. "Favorite Kpop group? I like Twice and Red Velvet and Stray Kids and BTS and Blackpink and more." She answers. "What are the full names, pronouns, and ages of everyone in the band? Well, fun fact if you're ever struggling to remember one of our names just remember H.O.N.E.Y is our initials. In honey order it's Hyejin, Osamu, Nari, Eun, and Yejun. Age order it's Yejun, Osamu, Eun, Hyejin, Nari. Last names are Kim Yejun, Jeong Osamu, Lee Eun, Yun Hyejin, and Chang Nari." She answers.
   "Oh I forgot to say ages and pronouns, Yejun is 25, Osamu is 25, Eun is 23, Hyejin is 20, and I'm 18. Yejun is non-binary so they/them, Osamu uses he/him, Eun is she/they, Hyejin is gender fluid so any pronouns, and I use she/her." She adds. "What ethnicity is Osamu? Half Korean half Japanese. His mom is from Japan and she moved here and met his dad." She answers.
"How many of us have found our soulmates? Just Osamu, however I believe I almost met my soulmate today because we were taking a water break and I was singing Circus by Britney Spears and someone ran past and said 'free Britney' which are the words on my wrist." She smiles. "Favorite Britney song? Probably Circus because it's really catchy." She answers.
   "How was my english so good at our debut when I was only thirteen? My moms Australian and so that entire half of my family speaks English and from a young age she would make sure I could understand it. Also, my dad was moved to America for work when I was four and so we moved and lived there for eight years then we came back to South Korea when they moved him back and I became a trainee and we debuted a year later when Yejun and Osamu finished their military service." She answers.
   "Are we ever going to take a break? We don't plan to, that's why BigHit had Yejun and Osamu complete their military service pre-debut." She answers. "Do I listen to the neighborhood? Yes, I like Cry Baby, Daddy Issues, and Sweater Weather." She says. "What are my soulmates initials? H.K. and we assume it's not the english way so it's surname, given name." She says.
   "Why am I the main vocalist when I prefer rapping? I'm the main vocalist because I have the largest vocal range." She says. "Song that gets stuck in my head easily? A lot of them but Choke by I Dont Know How But They Found Me is stuck in my head right now." She answers. "Which band did BTS recommend us to? That's a secret but I can tell you that there's a K initial." She says.
   "My soulmate? No, the K is his surname, not first." She smiles. "A question for Hyejin, soulmates initials and age?" Nari asks. "M.L. and 24." She answers. "Favorite Melanie Martinez song? High School Sweethearts." She answers. "Okay, you're hair is done. Let the dye sit for an hour and a half then wash it out." Hyejin tells her.
   "Okay, hour and a half left on live. It's going to be in english now because I saw my moms in the chat and she said she likes the slight American accent I have." She says. "What collections do I have? I have a manga collection, Kpop album collection, Funko Pop collection, and a vinyl collection." She answers. "Favorite color? I like pastel purples, like lavender." She answers.
   "Favorite Harry Styles song? From the Dining Table." She answers. She spends the rest of the time answering questions until her timer goes off. "Okay, I have to go shower and then I'll be going to bed so that I'm well rested for practice tomorrow. I love you all, bye!" She waves, ending the live.
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lokisasylum · 3 years
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Trigger warning: homophobia, ideologically sensitive
So ya'll know how I was really excited and happy recently cause two IRL close friends of mine became Armys all on their own and everything was all honky-dory?
Well, yesterday I had the rude awakening of having to cancel one friend and for the most fucked up reason.
Homegirl was really out here manifesting her inner homophobe and was coming for BTS, ready to cancel them over some bullshit video made by an even bigger perverted, xenophobic, homophobe using "religion" to spread his hate agenda.
And even after explaining to her, with receipts in hands and all, that this person (like many others before them) was nothing but another problematic roach in the system. Trying to take down BTS due to their fame, with baseless malicious rumors and what not to try and manipulate new and younger armys to leave.
How this sort of shit happens every year, either at the very start, middle or end of year and that if she really wanted to be part of this (be an Army), that she'd needed to grow a thicker skin and learn to deal with it, move on, TRUST the boys and trust real Armys with REAL SOURCES.
But no... because in the end the problem wasn't the video, the content, ect.
It was HER and her open DISGUST/REPULSION for anything LGBT+ (or anything that may scrape around the edge of it).
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....I WISH I were making this shit up, but no.... this was one of "her many reasons" for no longer wanting to deal with BTS, kpop, ect a month into "stanning them" and consuming all their content (I don't even know WHY she brought up HS or B/P into this mess either, when the conv wasn't even about them, so that was uncalled for.).
Naturally, as someone who has family members and dear close friends in the community, I was hurt in the way she continuously kept attacking and repeating how disgusted she felt (puking emojis and all). Especially someone I have known since college and we even worked together for 5 years, but this is just another sad example of what some religions (or cults/sects) do to the weakest of minds. People unable to think for themselves.
It's fine to have your beliefs, your faith, something to lean on outside of this shithole called life. And if it becomes your main source of happiness and hope then GREAT! (I myself was raised in between Catholicism and Protestanism).
But when you get to a point where you feel entitled to belittle, hate, ofend others who think, look, feel differently from you that's when its time to reevaluate your self AS A HUMAN BEING.
You can't go around preaching about "love thy neighbor as thy self", while at the same time talking shit about said neighbor.
Because THAT in itself is NOT okay just because you say or think it is. And being a hypocrite also comes with its consequences.
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park-chim-chim-fan · 4 years
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My Tiger Lily
Kim Taehyung x Reader
Genre: Fluff, established relationship, angst if you squint
Warnings: None
Summary: You’ve prepared endlessly for your wedding with Taehyung but nothing can prepare you for the cold feet you get an hour before the ceremony. In an effort to get you going again, the boys have you talk about the events leading up to this to remind you just how much you love each other.
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You were currently pacing around the bridal suite at the reception, hands shaking as you dialed Jimin’s number.
“Hey Y/N what’s up, is everything ok?”
“Jimin I need you to get over here right now. I’ll explain when you get here but just bring Namjoon as well. And please don’t tell Tae anything is wrong.”
“Y/N I need a bit more of an explanation if I’m just going to take off with Namjoon to come see you.”
“Ok look I’m freaking out right now! It’s probably just cold feet but I’m starting to worry about things I’ve never even thought of I mean-“
“I’m leaving now ok? I’ll be there soon. Just try to calm down. I told Tae that I needed to talk to Namjoon outside for a second. Everything’s going to be ok.”
“Thank you Jimin”
“No problem Y/N”
• • •
When Jimin and Namjoon got there they found you pacing while looking out the window to the ceremony down below, people starting to fill the chairs.
You let out a breath of relief when you looked to the doors and saw the two frazzled groomsmen who had obviously just ran quite a ways to get to your suite.
“Thank god you guys are here” you said as you went up to give both of them a hug with still shaking hands.
“Y/N you look absolutely beautiful. Tae is so lucky to be able to marry you.” Jimin stated, his hands on your shoulders grounding you a bit.
“About that,” you started to get worked up again as your worries came to the surface.
“You’re not having second thoughts about marrying him are you? You still love him right?” Namjoon interjected, pulling your eyes from the floor.
“God, of course not. I really do want to marry him. I’ve dreamed of marrying him since we met. And how could I not love him? He’s absolutely amazing and so perfect and kind. But that’s where the problem comes in,”
You took a seat on the small sofa in the suite, the two men taking a seat on either side of you. Jimin held your hand while Namjoon put his hand on your shoulder.
“How could a guy like him fall in love with a girl like me? I mean, he’s a freaking Kpop idol who’s literally known worldwide while I’m just a simple photographer from a small town.” Jimin let out a short but loud laugh, not able to believe that was what you were freaking out about.
“Wait so Y/N you seriously don’t believe he’s in love with you?” Jimin was still having a hard time containing his laughter
“Yeah, what’s so funny about it? You don’t have to laugh at how pitiful it sounds.”
“Y/N we can assure you Taehyung is more than in love with you. That man would die without you. Have you seen the way he looks at you? He can’t keep a smile off his face anytime he so much as hears your name.”
“Really? I’ve never noticed” Your heart fluttered when you heard their observation
“That’s because you’re too busy doing the same thing to him!” Jimin let out another giggle at Namjoon’s comment
“Look, if you don’t believe us, just think back to all the important moments you shared.” It wasn’t a terrible idea. You were willing to try anything at this point to get you out of your funk.
“Start by telling us about the day he proposed to you, ok? Just tell us how you felt and what you noticed about him, stuff like that.”
“I guess I’ll try it”
• • •
It was the last day of their Love Yourself:Speak Yourself tour. You were standing in the front row with a clear view of the boys. They had all said their ending ments. Except for Taehyung.
“ARMY, I requested to go last today for a very special reason. Now do you all know what that reason is?” The crowd erupted in a cheer of ‘yes’ as you were left confused.
“Now as you all know, my lovely girlfriend Y/N and I have been dating for about 6 months now, maybe a little more. And these past 6 months have been the most amazing time of my life,” You were now highly confused as Taehyung had never mentioned you in his ending speeches. He always talked about how much he loved ARMY.
“Y/N do you mind joining me on stage for a moment?” Now you were just plain shocked as the security guards around you helped you up on stage, Taehyung taking your hands and grabbing them tight. You looked back out to the crowd and noticed that all the ARMY bombs had turned to a light pink color, giving the stadium a bright, loving aura. You looked back to Tae who was currently looking at you with the biggest smile and absolute adoration in his eyes.
“Y/N, in the past 6 months, you have taught me so many things. You’ve taught me to become a better photographer, you’ve taught be how to cook more food than just ramen,” ARMY let out a small laugh at his statement. “But most importantly, you taught me what it’s like to love someone so much that I feel nothing else when I’m around you. I feel like I’m on cloud nine anytime I see you. You make me so happy, Y/N. Happier than I ever thought I could be. You’ve made me laugh harder than anyone else ever could. You’ve made me realize just how lucky I am to have met you.”
Tears fell freely from your eyes as you felt nothing but pure love for the man standing in front of you.
“Aishhh, Y/N you can’t cry or I’m gonna start crying!” You both laughed as you felt the world around you disappear. The thousands of people surrounding you, silenced.
“Y/N, instead of rambling on, trying to explain how much I love you in words, I figured I’d just show you.” Tae let go of your hands and got down on one knee, reaching for the small black box in his pocket. Your hands flew to your face, completely taken aback by his actions.
“Y/N I love you more than anything in this world. So will you do me the honor of becoming my wife?”
You shook your head yes and tackled Tae to the ground in a bone-crushing hug. The stadium roared from ARMY’s pure excitement for the two of you. Taehyung had the biggest smile on his face as he slid the beautiful ring on your finger, still kneeled on the stage with you. You pulled him in for a kiss and another hug.
“I love you so much Tae”
“I love you more than you could ever know, my tiger lily”
• • •
You forgot you were sitting on the couch with Jimin and Namjoon, so caught up reliving the best day of your life, until you heard a sigh of relief come from behind you. The three of you turned your heads to see a worried maknae and Yoongi standing at the doors.
“There you two are! Where have you been? We’ve been looking all over for you! Why does it look like you’re consoling Y/N? Is everything ok?”
“Jungkook, slow down, take a breath. Why did you two come looking for us?” Namjoon stood from the couch, trying to calm down the youngest.
“Well you say that you’re gonna talk for a second but then don’t come back for 10 minutes people tend to get a little worried.” Yoongi stated flatly.
“Sorry we should have told you. Y/N was having a little bit of cold feet but she’s fine now, right?”
“I was until you brought it up again Jimin, but now I’m thinking about it again!” You were quickly worked up again, doubts coming forward once more. You stood up and started pacing again, biting your nails now.
“Ahh, that’s not a good sign. She only bites her nails when she’s really stressed” Jimin whispered to the other three.
“Okay Y/N here’s what’s gonna happen,” Yoongi walked over to you and placed his hands on your shoulders, stopping your pacing. You looked up at him with teary eyes, trying to calm yourself down. Your makeup literally took hours and you weren’t gonna ruin it now.
“Jimin, Namjoon and Jungkook are all going to go back to Taehyung’s room and tell him everything and everyone is fine. I’m going to stay here with you and get whatever silly thoughts in your head, out. Does that sound like a plan?” You shook your head and took a deep breath. You were grateful to have Yoongi’s bluntness at a time like this. He was like a big brother to you and never hesitated to get straight to the point. “Good. Now you three go tell Tae everything is going to plan and everyone is fine. Y/N why don’t you come sit back down and tell me what’s going on”
The three left quickly, obeying their hyung’s words while Yoongi took your hands in his.
“What’s bothering you Y/N? You know it hurts me to see you like this.”
You explained the situation to him, pausing when he laughed at the reason why you were worried.
“Why does everyone think that’s so funny? It’s not it’s a legitimate concern!”
“It’s funny because of how silly it is. Y/N, if he didn’t love you, would he have made songs about you?” You look down at your hands and shake your head no. “I need to hear you say it Y/N. Did he write and produce whole songs about you and how much he loves you?”
“Yes.”
“And why did he do it?”
“I don’t know...” you muttered quietly
“Yes you do Y/N. Why did Taehyung take you to your hometown to see your parents when you missed them? Why did he get you an entire house on your birthday because once you mentioned how you didn’t like your neighbors? Why does he call you Yeontans mom? Why does he cuddle with you after he knows you’ve had a stressful day at work? How does he know you’re stressed just by seeing you bite your nails? I could go on and on. You know the answer to all of these Y/N you just aren’t saying it. But I need to hear you say it.”
You mumbled a quiet reply, seeing his strategy but still being unsure.
“I’m sorry what was that?”
“Because he loves me” you said a little louder than the last time but still barely audible
“Still can’t hear you Y/N”
“Because he loves me ok!” You stood up from his grip on your hands and somewhat yelled your answer. Yoongi smiled, seeing that his tactic worked.
“He does these things because he loves me. He took me to the movies when I was sad to cheer me up because he loves me! He lets me dress him up like a doofus when I’m bored because he loves me! He picks me up when I barely feel like I can function because he loves me! He loves me and I finally realize that thanks to you Yoongi. Thank you. So much” you lean down to give him a hug after your short epiphany.
“You always knew. I knew you did. I just had to draw it out from you first.” He smiled and stood up with you walking to the doors.
“Now I have to go reassure Tae no one is dead. But I’m glad I could help you Y/N.” He turns to leave but says one last thing before he goes. “You look beautiful by the way. Taehyung is a very lucky guy.”
“Thank you Yoongi, I love you”
“I love you too. I better not get a call in 10 minutes saying that you ran off”
“You won’t, I promise”
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You and Taehyung believed strongly in the whole, ‘seeing the bride before the wedding is bad luck’. So even after your little outburst, no matter how much you wanted to run to his room and tell him how much you loved him, you stayed in your room, now counting down the minutes to when you’d get to marry the love of your life.
And there you were, about to walk down the aisle, practically bouncing with excitement. Your dad eventually had to calm you down, saying that he wasn’t going to walk down the aisle with a kangaroo.
Seeing you so excited made the boys so happy. They were glad you were back to your old self, the girl who couldn’t contain her love and had no doubt that she was loved in return.
Pretty soon the wedding march started playing so you took a deep breath, and took a step towards your future.
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To say Taehyung thought you look beautiful was an understatement. As soon as he saw you walking down the aisle, he felt his stomach fill with butterflies, his chest fill with love, and his eyes fill with tears. He couldn’t believe how angelic you looked. How absolutely out of this world you looked. That was his wife. That was the woman that he would get to spend the rest of his life with. The girl who’s beauty couldn’t be comprehended. And he couldn’t feel prouder and more honored that you chose him.
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When you got your first look at Taehyung, your first thought was ‘I’m marrying the most handsome man on this planet’. You then saw him look down and wipe a tear from his eye and your heart clenched. You really were head over heels in love with him. And you knew he was just as in love with you as you were with him. While giving you away to Taehyung, your dad looked at him and said, “Can I trust you’ll take care of my daughter?” And Tae said the first thing that came to his mind. “Of course sir. I’ll spend everyday of my life making sure she’s happy and giving her the love she needs when she’s not.” With that, your dad knew you were in good hands. Upon hearing his answer a tear fell from your eye. Taehyung placed his hand on your cheek and wiped it away.
“You look so beautiful Y/N. Beyond words. I can’t believe I get to marry the most beautiful woman in the entire world.”
The officiant gathered everyone’s attention and started the ceremony. Pretty soon it was time for the vows and you prepared yourself to cry. It was inevitable.
Taehyung went first, taking his vows from Jimin’s hand.
“Y/N. My love. My best friend. My tiger lily. And now, my wife. When I first met you at the little coffee shop next to the studio I knew that you were meant for me. There you were, standing behind the counter in your little blue apron and the most beautiful smile I had ever seen. I think about that day a lot. How I couldn’t even talk to you without stuttering, how adorable you looked when I told you I thought you were cute. I remember Jimin telling me, and I quote, I was smitten. And he couldn’t be more right. I’m in love with you Y/N and I knew that the moment I heard your laugh. I was told to write down what it was that I love about you. But let’s be honest, we’d be here all day if I did that. So I’ll just name a few. I love the way your eyes light up when you smile or laugh. I love the cuddles you give me after I’ve had a long practice at the studio. Even when I’m sweaty and cranky, you wrap your arms around me and surround me with love. I’ll always cherish those moments. The ones we share all by ourselves. The ones I remember when I’m thousands of miles away. You make anywhere feel like home and always find a way to make me happy. So as your husband, I promise to always return your love. Even if you hate me, I will always love you and show you that. I promise to tell Yeontan that you love him when you’re not around. I will always return your cuddles and kisses and hugs and everything in between. I want to give you so much that it’s hard to put into words. So as long as we’re living, I will love you. I will give you everything you ever want. I will show you that I will love you forever and always. My best friend, my love, my tiger lily, my wife.
You had to let go of Tae’s hand to wipe the tears that were gathering at the corners of your eyes. You questioned how you ever doubted his love for you. He helped you wipe your tears and pressed a small kiss to your cheek. “I love you tiger lily”
“I don’t know how I’m supposed to go after that” you said to your audience. Your maid of honor tapped your shoulder to hand you your vows but you declined.
“Taehyung, originally I had written about how a bunch of silly little moments had lead up to now. But now that I think about it, this seems more authentic. While I do believe that all those moments lead to now, I was wrong about one thing. They weren’t silly or little. They were some of the most important moments in my life. You put up with so much from me. From my endless kisses and hugs when I’m clingy to the absolutely awful outfits I dress you up in when I’m bored. Those nights in the house where I can’t sleep but I’m still comforted by the feeling of your arms around my waist. It’s those moments, those unique and meaningful things that made me realize my love for you and your love for me in return. About an hour before the wedding, I had a little bit of cold feet. But thanks to those moments, those displays of your love for me, I realized I couldn’t be marrying anyone more perfect for me. Now that I think about it, it’s pretty silly how I ever doubted your love for me. I see it in your eyes, I feel it in your touch, and I can understand it in your words. You helped me acknowledge all the reasons for loving me. So as your wife I promise to help you realize just why I am absolutely head over heels in love with you. So even if you can’t see now, I will make it my life’s goal to get you to understand just how amazing you are. As long as we live, I will love you, support you and most importantly, I will never ever doubt our love. We were meant for each other and I’ve never been more sure of that than now. Forever and always I’ll be your best friend, your love, your tiger lily, your wife.”
“Aishhh Y/N you really didn’t write any of that beforehand?”
“Nope. Like I said; Authentic. I meant every word I said”
“Even the part about how you had doubts an hour ago?”
“Yeah but it was just my silly nerves. I know you love me in more ways than I can ever know”
“I’ll just have to make sure now you never have doubts again.”
The officiant continued on with the rest of the ceremony. You placed the rings on each other, following the standard readings of the ceremony.
“Do you, Taehyung, take Y/N to be your wife, to have and to hold from this day forward, for better or for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish; from this day forward until death do you part?"
Taehyung made eye contact with you, looking at you with love and excitement, smiling like a little kid. “I absolutely do” He took your hand in his gently, as if he were too rough you might break. He placed the band on your finger, leaving a light kiss on the top of your hand.
“And do you, Y/N, take Taehyung to be your husband, to have and to hold from this day forward, for better or for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish; from this day forward until death do you part?"
You smiled back at him, love filling your chest and shining in your eyes. “I do. Always.” You took his hand and slid the ring on his finger, giving his hand a kiss as he did to you.
“And now, by the power vested in me, I hereby pronounce you, husband and wife. You may now kiss the bride”
He had pulled you into the kiss before the officiant had even ended the sentence, eager to seal your love forever. It was different from any kiss you had ever had with him before. It was passionate, and eager, and deep. This time it was fueled by the promise of being together forever and filled with all the love he had promised to give you and more. You heard the boys cheers above everyone else. You heard a couple whistles here and there when his arm went around your waist and pulled you closer, the kiss continuing far longer than it should have. When you finally pulled away from Tae, you saw that most of the boys looked like they had cried. Even if it was a little bit.
You took Tae’s hand and held it up in the air in victory. You had done it. You had married the man that was meant for you and you knew that this day would never be forgotten. You would always be his. His best friend, his love, his tiger lily, his wife.
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A/N: Hello there! Thanks for reading! I might make this into a series or at least write small drabbles that connect to this fic. The next installation/drabble will probably be the reception or the honeymoon. Hope you enjoyed ♡♡♡
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hobidreams · 3 years
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@petty-talkofthecharts-discord-members You people really have 0 idea how industry, market, major music awards and charts work and it shows. Sit down. People are streaming because they enjoy music. You consume the music by streaming. Stop portraying people as bots and rabid fans. You listened to BE? Sorry to break it to you that you streamed. It's not about breaking records, it's not about other acts, it's about giving back love to BTS. THE BOYS explicitly said, multiple times, on a national 1/6
under a cut cause multipart 
television, in US and Korea, that they want all BE songs to chart on Hot100. THEY said they want #1 BB debut w Korean song. THEY all said, multiple times, including last week, they want a Grammy. THEY all wept whole night after #1, Jimin literally cried until 4 AM on the timeline together with armys. THEY SAID in the skit, after expressing euphoria, "Hoba, don't you think this is what happiness is like?". THEY said in the skit, "This is the best gift of my life... what... what just happened" 2/6
We appreciate them and the comfort, happiness their music brings us and we want to make them happy in return. So we give them what makes them happy. By doing what makes us happy. Which is listening to their music. If you don't want to see BTS happy, if you don't want them to get the awards they want, don't be a pressed anti in other people's business and let armys do what they want. If you think BTS is inorganic, that's fine, whatever helps you sleep at night, but know that so are all your 3/6
faves whoever they are. Name one organic big western act. Don't be shy, baby, speak into the mic. And it's cute how you think the strategies are a new thing on the west and how it's tied to BTS and ??kpop?? somehow? Do a little research on the history of Billboard charts. Whole history. Not just the last decade. Although the last decade has plenty of gems, too. Come on, sweetie. And let's not even BEGIN to talk about payola and blacklisting and fucking bundles. DON'T FUCKING LET ME START ON 4/6
blacklisting and payola and western acts and other certain acts and all your precious organic gp-loved "critically-acclaimed" radio-loved faves. You don't wanna have that convo, you really, really don't. It's gonna get real embarrassing for all non-BTS real quick. The receipts are out there, honey. So maybe don't start convos about charts and music industry when you're absolutely oblivious about everything, including how much you don't know about anything. 5/6
Y'all pressed people need to stop disrespecting BTS. You come and say THAT after everything Joon said and expressed just recently? Seriously? I hope the fuck you're now spewing this on weverse or twitter where there's even a tiny possibility he can see it. I have 2 questions for you: how could you? Why do you hate him so much? 6/6
my dude. first of all i literally disagreed with the anon that said streaming is inorganic lol.
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as i have said through my responses multiple times, i think STREAMING IS IMPORTANT AND VALID. i said streaming serves a lot of purposes and streaming gets artists growth. i literally said this at least 3x. i am not here to argue organic/inorganic. please don’t put words in my mouth. i did not say that any of the western acts are organic. i never said that they don’t have strategies to get their numbers higher. i said western artists have easier times getting radio play than our boys do because they compose music primarily in english and that’s absolutely not fair and xenophobic, and streaming is a way to combat that from our side. i was praising those who take the time to stream. i am literally saying its UNFAIR that our boys don’t get more chances to get heard on the radio.
the only point i am trying to make is that nobody is obligated to stream. my original post was made in response to many many tweets i saw that were straight up BASHING on those who dont stream, saying they’re not real fans or they don’t deserve to get decent concert tickets. there are MANY MANY ways of supporting BTS or any other artist you like, and that’s buying tickets. buying merch. buying albums. i don’t want anyone to feel guilty or bad because there are people telling them theyre not doing enough, when they are. the only obligations we have as fans is to enjoy the music. that IS streaming. the very definition of streaming is to listen to a song in real time. please take a look at my answers again. i’ll even quote one here:
we have a right to enjoy content however we want. if that means streaming to you, then yay! if that means listening once today and once tomorrow, yay!
i am trying to say that there should not be any bullying of people to stream. im no way am i discounting the importance of streaming. i am saying it should be something undertaken willingly.
(p.s. what? lol i can’t even fathom why you think i would dedicate nearly two years of my life to run a blog about a guy i ‘hate’?)
edit: also in case it isnt clear, ive been talking about mass-streaming. not just listening to the album. ive been talking about the culture that promotes people staying up and sacrificing sleep/health to stream.
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nightswithkookmin · 3 years
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Saw some ppl on twt having an interesting thought/theory the other day. That different from other pairings within the group, Jikook is one of the (if not the only one) pairings who have not had been shown having deep/insightful conversations in official content, what we see is mostly them being playful and flirty with each other instead, and that maybe that’s why a lot of people in the fandom don’t take what they say about/to each other seriously, and/or always try to downplay when compared to other pairings (i.e when Jimin said he was with JK on his birthday last year, or that he likes to wake up and see JK). Thoughts on that? Ngl, it got me thinking if maybe it’s one of the reasons why whenever jikook are jikooking it’s almost radio silence among armys who usually would get super loud when it’s JM or JK with other members 🤔.
They don't take Jikook seriously because Jikook flirts a lot and are often playful with eachother on camera than the others???
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That's a lie. That's Sanskrit for homophobia.
I can see the homophobia in their eyes
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If two people are flirty with eachother that is reason enough to take them seriously- especially in Kpop where people use the cover of homoerotic fanservices to live out their gay fantasies.
At the very least, when they flirt with eachother- however way you wanna take it, fanservice or not- they are assuaging their own homosexual tendencies and desires. If they didn't have them they wouldn't be flirting- unprovoked.
Flirting is a sign of sexual attraction.
What am I missing??
When Jimin says he likes to wake up to see JK's face, yes that's him flirting with Jungkook in broad day HD- it's gay, it's nonplatonic and borderline outing.
He likes to rile Jungkook up. No two ways about that. Sometimes he likes to engage in a staredown with Jungkook till the other caves- it's called gay lust and it's valid. Lol
Also, I don't get it.
A.
Are they saying Jikook lacks depth in their dynamic or are they saying THEY don't see the depth in Jikook's dynamics?
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If they can't see depth in their dynamics that's on them. Can't help them with that one. But I would have to disagree on that cos I see the depth in their dynamic more so than any I see in any ship in BTS.
B.
When they say Jikook rarely have deep insightful conversations on camera, what metric are they using to measure that said depth? What insight do they want? Chilee
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It doesn't get deeper than Jimin telling jungook he drinks to self soothe because he feels lonely sometimes.
Or Jungkook saying Jimin told him he wanted to be with him (the team) for a very long time.
You hear Jimin say very often, 'I was telling Jungkook the other day....' 'I was with Jungkook when X happened to me' etc.
Their ability to be vulnerable with eachother in ways they are not with other members, to understand eachother's feelings without so many words, to experience a lot of highs and lows together and connect on that deeper level weighs more than anyone's opinion of them.
May be they should pay attention to the things they say about eachother- the conversations they reference and the nature of those conversations. I'm sorry but a picture perfect two seconds screen time of a contrived conversation between two members does not equate to or determine the depth of their relationship. Especially if such said members leave that depth on set never to pick it up or engage in it off camera- yea we see them. We know just about who goes out to nurture their relationship beyond the directors cut.
Jikook nurtures their bond- as do certain other pairs in the group.
When JK is crying and he wants to cry in Jimin's arms that says more about their intimacy and the depth of that intimacy than any words can.
When Jungkook says he feels more connected to Jimin on stage after a performance when he holds his gaze that says depth than any words can.
I told Jimin he needs to calm down a little, that he can't sing like this or that. Jungkook helped me a lot with my lines. This says they are not too proud to learn from eachother. That's insight.
Whatever their Taxi fight was about, whatever conversation they'd had- that is emotional vulnerability. That is depth and that is insightful.
Jimin confides a lot of his fears and insecurities in Jk as JK does in him. Jimin would not know Jungkook sucked at emotional vulnerability or expressing his emotions if they hadn't branched into that genre of conversation.
They do have deeper moments- not necessarily conversations and they do have insightful conversations as well-
Besides, half the time Jimin is talking with certain other members he is constantly talking about Jungkook anyway so...
And Jk barely says two words beyond nodding, biting his lips or blanking out...
If Jikook lack depth the other ships involving them is worse🤣
I make exceptions for Vmin and Minimoni.
Jimin and RM are intellectually compatible. They've both said a lot of their conversations are of an intellectual nature. Personaly, I think Jimin makes RM emotionally honest too but whatever. Jimin did say his ideal partner is a mixture of RM and Jungkook. Rm because he stimulates his mind and challenges him, Jungkook because he makes him horny. Perhaps 😏
Vmin are like two emo lesbians. They just do too much emotional rawness and sentimentality in their conversations, sometimes I'm like spare us please😭- its always: Taehyung-ah, Jimin-ah... cue corny Bollywood romance song.
All the ships are unique. They all have different dynamics. Depth in one ship may not look exactly the same as the depth of another ship.
Perhaps, they should learn what deep and insight looks like in a real relationship. What depth and insight looks like in Jikook's dynamic. You put them in a room to talk and they are not gonna pour out their hearts or talk about dance and the things they are passionate about- they're gonna flirt because they find eachother attractive. They're gonna touch, giggle and if they have to say something I think it's gonna be I love you.
We learn a lot from the things people say about Jikook but we see for ourselves what Jimin and Jungkook are about because most times they show us and not just tell us.
People don't take Jikook seriously because they don't want to take them seriously. Anything else they say is just an excuse to marginalize them and invalidate them especially if they take others much more seriously.
Or it's just because they aren't abreast with same sex relationships- which I don't think is a mystery at all. Love is love.
Swap any pair in BTS with heterosexual couples and I don't think people will make Jikook, out of all the other ships, to be the fanservice ship of BTS. If anything the term couple would be befitting of them the most.
And yet somehow because they are men people would rather describe what they have as brothers and for those who admit it's couple-y they wanna dismiss it as a joke or fanservice.
You swap certain ships and you realize people are shipping their own delusions.
As a queer woman, I look at all the ships and wonder how in heavens people can assume certain ships are remotely real.
I find it bizarre.
I really don't care about people's opinions. They are entitled to it. I know what chemistry is, what attraction is, what love is and I see all of that and more in Jikook's dynamic.
No one can bamboozle or bulldoze me into rethinking or redefining what those things are and what they mean.
Sis forget the Jikook antis. Don't waste energy trying to understand them. Let's focus on our ship and put energy into supporting them the best way we can.
I hope this helps??
Signed,
GOLDY
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