#nddp movies

[edwardian-angel]

Maureen O'Hara as Esmeralda

The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1939)

#the hunchback of notre dame #nddp #notre dame de paris #victor hugo #esmerelda #claude frollo #quasimodo #the hunchback of notre dame 1939 #1939 #1930s #maureen o'hara #vintage #old hollywood #old cinema #golden age #golden era #black and white cinema #cinema #black and white #hollywood #movies #women

[europeansdomusicalsbetter]

There may come a time I am more coherent about this but GILLIATT!!!!!!! MY DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!! MY GUY!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY DID YOU DO THIS???!?!?!?!?!?!!!!! HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO ME, VICTOR???? I CARE SO MUCH ABOUT HIM HOW DARE YOU DO HIM DIRTY LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#Toilers of the Sea #I need everyone to care about this book HALF as much as they care about NDdP #LIKE SURE IT DOESN'T HAVE AN EMBLEMATIC CHURCH #SURE IT'S EASIER TO GO TO PARIS THAN TO GUERNSEY #BUT I CARE SO MUCH!!!!!!!! #Gilliatt out here really pulling the same move as Disney Quasimodo #pulling a sieur clubin but for other people's happiness not getting rich #UGH i know like HALF the book is just him alone on a rock with a boat and a shipwreck #and there's so much Boat Talk that it's so easy to get lost in it #So there's no musical and no movies #not like les mis or nddp #but it's SO GOOD and i now care SO MUCH #EVERYONE SHOULD LOVE GILLIATT LIKE JUST AS MUCH IF NOT MORE THAN QUASIMODO OR JEAN VALJEAN #THERE I SAID IT #this man WHO HAS NO IMMENSE STRENGTH BUT AN IMMENSE WILL #THIS GUY PLAYING THE BAGPIPES IN THE GARDEN #THIS MAN WHO LOVES BIRDS AND PROTECTS THEIR NESTS #THIS MAN OUT HERE FIGHTING OCTOPUSES IN SEA NYMPH CAVES #THIS MAN! #I LOVE HIM

[ot3showdown]

Speaking of NDDP and bad movie adaptations, consider the gargoyles (one of the rare good things in this mess) !

Their names are Victor, Hugo (look, I know, but I wasn't the one who made this pun) and Laverne

hehe victor hugo. nice.

#asks #ship propaganda #nddp #hond #yeah i see why u use a diff . acronym #OH THATS GEORGE COSTANZA

[chaostheatre]

Same anon asSame anon asn as the previous message because I'm shy. Disney's Hunchback of Notre Dame is a classic that tragically didn't get the audience reception it deserved! While it tones down the source material, it's still something with enough depth for you to sink your teeth into. The movie is so bold in the way that it is unapologetically about religious extremism and repression intended for a family audience that I'm surprised that Disney made it. Not to mention that the soundtrack is absolutely gorgeous! The vocals are beautiful but those instrumentals are phenomenal. While Hellfire isn't an earworm, it's got visuals that really stick in your head. I've been watching the coolest analysis videos about the movie recently haha

it's an earworm to ME. </3 mea culpa mea maxima culpa

thond has been my special interest for the past 11 years... it's definitely my favorite piece of nddp related media, even with all its artistic liberties (including the gargoyles EVERYONE SHUT UP ABOUT THE GARGOYLES!!!) I consider it a top tier comfort movie. I can and have put it on while in the midst of paranoia and it calms me down instantly. it's been on my mind lately since the glomas event hit the english twst servers and we got a spark of activity in the fandom on here in november. it is hitting me HARD.

I dunno how long you've been following me here but I am both french (+american) and very catholic and very guilty and repressed about all things. every time I've visited family I've made a point of going to the notre-dame herself (next trip is TBD since I went just before the 2019 fire and obviously haven't had the chance to go back). I have a painting of the cathedral in my room from like... 2012... this movie is insanely important to me. my high school friends had to ban me from talking about it at a point.

sometimes it feels like when I talk about villains in a general sense I should clarify that my standard is claude frollo. who has also been my ultimate favorite char since I first got into the movie.

ANYWAY. nddp is really good but it has a different theme and the one in the disney movie resonates more with me, plus the visuals and character designs and music rock. I am first and foremost a hunchback of notre dame fan and every other media is secondary

#also dw lol I am the shyest person ever

[the-underrated-marius]

The 1956 French film Notre Dame de Paris is a pretty faithful adaptation as far as NDdP adaptations go! I really enjoyed it.

Only bummed that they didn’t include anything about Esmeralda’s mother, that scene in the novel was my favorite part.

I am really hoping for that Toilers of the Sea movie they’re planning to make on Guernsey!!

[budjavlebac]

Concept art for the Court of Miracles.

#notre dame de paris #the hunchback of notre dame #nddp movies #nddp #hond #clopin trouillefou #clopin #quasimodo #captain phoebus #phoebus #la corte dei miracoli #la corte de los milagros #la cour des miracles #the court of miracles #двор чудес #disney #disney concept art #hond concept art #concept art

[grinningstan]

nothing rubs me the wrong way as much as people talking about quasimodo as a ‘monster’ like that’s just a man with a deformity,,, that’s literally just a DUDE,,, is ugly really our only qualification for monsterhood now? are we really comfortable acting like this poor guy just trying his best is a monster because ,, he is deformed? i hate it here. grow up. everyone who calls him a monster owes me $30 per offense

#hunchback of notre dame #nddp #hond #no i will NOT make exceptions for the fact he’s technically a ‘universal movie monster’ in their line up that quasi is STILL just a MAN #honestly this opens up a fascinating conversation about monsterhood & the other & empathy bc the modern age swerves in monster definition #but this post is Specifically and Singularly addressing the fact that it’s pretty fuckin gross & ableist to call quasi a monster #in a story where there’s nothing supernatural about him and he is a VICTIM not an AGGRESSOR #all of u are banned from talking about any more advanced quasi versions until u learn what 5yo kids learn in the disney version #which is that appearances deceive and good people can look bad & bad people can look good #go back to ‘who is the monster and who is the man’ school and when u pass that final u may comment on book canon or the other films #ros dot txt

[hauntedheroines]

What is your ideal villain x heroine relationship?

Well first, there are Basic Rules(TM):

Must see her as a human being, not as a pretty object, disposable or replaceable. Examples of villains that don’t do this: Jabba The Hutt and Ming the Merciless

He must be clean. He doesn’t have to be pretty, just hygienic. Grima, from LotR, is ugly, but I still ship him with Eowyn, while Jabba The Hutt is just a disgusting worm.

He is powerful and talented; has to have some sort of confidence. I can pity him, sometimes it's even better when I do (like with The Phantom of the Opera) but some stalker movies make the character so realistically obsessed because he is an insecure and repressed person. This also has to do with not seeing her as an object. Most of the time they don’t even know why they want the girl, they are just searching for any replacement for the maternal love they didn’t get. They don’t think they are special, they would just take anything to fill the gap.

He can’t be willing to watch her die. This usually ruins the ship. I mean hurt her, okay, but to kill her would mean he thinks he can live without her. And if he thinks that, he better get into a deep depression and regret afterward, or be well-aware that he has dammed himself for the rest of his life. Leôncio from Isaura The Slave Girl, Bill from Kill Bill, Jack Devlin from The Net, and Frollo from NDdP do that.

Either the heroine wins or neither of them do. The villain must not triumph at the ending, keep the girl hostage and miserable at his side. Either he is redeemed or he is ass kicked. There is no evil triumph - nor in the sense that he gets everything he wants without reforming himself into a better person, neither in the sense that the heroine is corrupted and rules as mistress of darkness by his side. The most I can accept of a good character losing is that she loved him despite it all and after rejecting him, they both perish.

The ideal villain x heroine is when they are bond by their loneliness. Most authors believe the villain is always the hero's antithesis - the classic "Two sides of the same coin".

Maybe they share trauma, neglect - people think they are strange or too erratic. Maybe the heroine's willpower is walking the line of ruthlessness. Her power inspires fear in people, even in her, but the villain admires it.

Either way, they feel there are parts of them no one else would understand. That only they could know and love. That the villain, in an curious way, challenges her to become the greatest version of herself.

They would be the perfect match in different circumstances, or if the villain wasn’t so far gone. But he has hurt too many people and to forgive that would be impossible. Maybe forgiveness is not what he seeks. Maybe he just wants to be sure she will never leave him, the only way he knows how.

She hates him, but once again he is the only one who matches her. Examples of ships that do this: Steerpike x Fuchsia, Annie x the Teacher, Alina x Darkling, Reylo, Casey x Kevin...

Other interesting premises:

They have a telepathic connection. A spell was cast on them and their hearts are connected. One can only die when the other does. They could even be born from the same womb at the same time. Like, they came to this world together; their destinies are intertwined oh no Nuada/Nuala.

They were childhood friends or met when they were younger oh my gosh I love this trope.

The heroine is socially acceptable in her sexuality, meaning she is not sexually active or she is a full-on virgin. The villain is comfortable with his own and teases her.

He never loved anyone before. EVER.

He is more invested than she is, or at least he gives in and expresses his feelings more than she does, showing her the possibilities and getting frustrated when she discards them once again. He will be willing to sacrifice everything for her while she will hesitate (Lizzie from The Blacklist) or will rather kill herself later (Lady Fuchsia Groan) than to be with the man she loves because of the moral boundaries, people who depend on her, the complete absurd of saving such a despicable person and etc.

Or else, let him be tormented. Let his feelings for her confuse and scare him. Let it be against everything he is and believes. Let her be a whore or heretic and he, a devotee. Let her be his family and he, in a position of power and prestige like a king or a millionaire, wanting the only thing he can’t have and would make him a joke to those who fear and respect him now. Let him stare at her intensely, without her knowing why, trying to kill or imprison her or send her away, only to succumb and confess his feelings. Let him be disgusted with himself for wanting her, blaming her, and then coming back on his knees for crumbs of affection from the one he has disgraced. Let his power be drained from him and delivered to the hands of whom he judged unworthy, to such an extent that he is the one to make the delivery. Let his feelings consume him to the point he doesn’t even know what he is doing anymore, things he never thought he was capable of; burning a city, destroying a kingdom, enslaving a galaxy.

BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT IS:

They defy each other. I like it better when the heroine is not naive and passive. They can fight mano-a-mano or play his mind games and schemes. Or she just has a mind of her own and won’t bend to his.

#Villain x Heroine #Darklina #Reylo #Fresme #Christine x Erik #Casey x Kevin #Sareth #Hoap #Keen2 #Fuchsia x Steerpike #James x Sarah #O'Briencest #Konstantin x Vasya #Daisy x Ram #answered

[a-love-poet-at-heart]

wow Josh groban actually recorded gold can turn to sand from Kristina från Duvemåla for his stages album

#I guess he's not comfortable singing in Swedish as it's english thou he recorded temps des cathedales from NDdP in french #he also recorded if I can't love her ironic since he sang Evermore in the recent movie

[ohquasimodo]

I'm really sad that the "original" (like up until about 2011) Hunchback of Notre Dame / Notre Dame de Paris fandom as a whole doesn't exist anymore :(

The fandom nowadays doesn't seem to go much beyond memes, the Disney movie and a bit of the NDdP musical - which is still fun, but it gets a little stale after a while. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy talking with anyone about The Hunchback of Notre Dame / Notre Dame de Paris in any capacity, but I really miss the more serious and in-depth discussions. I would love to chat with people about character analysis, adaptation comparison, variations of the different songs in the musical(s), collections, themes in the novel, the history, Notre Dame itself, etc.

I still talk to a few people from back then, but other than that, most people stop understanding what I'm talking about after a short time. Or when I'm like "Awesome, you like Hunchback too!" and start talking about things, they're like "WaIT NO...not that much!"

I've Iooked around on here, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Discord, Reddit, etc, but I haven't been able to find anything close to what it used to be.

If there's any original Frollo Forum people still out there (lol), I MISS YOU.

#the hunchback of notre dame #hunchback of notre dame #hond #thond #nddp #notre dame de paris #notre dame #paris #victor hugo #disney #quasimodo #frollo #claude frollo #judge claude frollo #esmeralda #phoebus #captain phoebus #clopin #clopin trouillefou #gringoire #pierre gringoire #jehan frollo #text post #mine

[moviestorian]

Today I saw Notre Dame de Paris live, I was waiting for this moment for a few months, but I totally didn't expect THAT. Beautiful. I'm literally speechless. A wonderful production, surpasses anything that I saw live so far, including musicals, plays, operas and operettas. I'm so in love and Notre Dame has officially become my second favourite musical ever.

#personal #wera speaks #nddp #i adored the original french production and i dare say this one was equally good #almost everything was Perfect #and I literally had to try my best to stop my tears and prevent them from falling down my cheeks several times #it never happened to me in theatre or opera and almost never happened during watching movies #love love love

[hunchbacked-one-eyed-lame]

Top ten favorite nddp adaptations GO (yes u have to rank them)✨

10. La Esmeralda (1844 ballet). This I would argue is the longest running and most performed and enduring stage version. Deadass. I actually kinda like it. I like to consider it the story of Hugo’s opera libretto except...good. It’s corny, melodramatic, and white washed from the book, but it works for the narrative and medium. There’s a 1994 production on YouTube and the scene where Esmeralda chases gringoire with a spoon is a delight. However the middle portion, with the nobles, while the most important and relevant for ballet fans, bores me to tears. The opening and ending are almost like pantomimes and that’s so cool to me.

9. Paul Foucher’s stage play. A faithful, and actuslly pretty decent play from the 1800s. Some scenes are a bit confusing and there are too many characters, but it is a good enough adaptation that I love researching. Highly obscured, I only found an English translation in a book of Frankenstein/Quasimodo fan fiction. Seriously! Also for some reason a children’s theatre in Italy has been performing this play constantly since like 2015???? What!

8. 1977. When viewed as a movie or even a made for TV movie it falls pretty flat, with terrible production values at times. Notre Dame isn’t a set, it’s a DRAWING. However, when viewed as what it actually is (I think) a “bbc tv play” it’s actually very good. I would love to see what this script would look like on stage, where I think it would work better, especially for the clumsy acting. Kenneth Haigh is the cheesiest Frollo ever, far from menacing, but very amusing. Quasimodo and Esmeralda, while not bad, aren’t super compelling. Gringoire and Jehan are fantastic, though the latter is a major flaw. Jehan is kinda the main character? He literally steals scenes from other characters, which I think should have been cut. Maybe I’ll do a fan edit of this version some time.

7. 1956. Not a great film, and it’s biggest flaw is it’s poor characterization, especially from the three protagonists. While the first color/widescreen version, it’s look is flat and uninspired, partly I assume because it was simultaneously filmed in two languages. However, unlike the Spanish version of Dracula (1931) the French version of this movie isn’t some stylistic masterpiece that trumps that American one into oblivion. One is less censored and has a few extra scenes and doesn’t have awkward dubbing so there’s that. There are some great scenes in this forgettable film, such as Quasi and Esmeralda in the tower (stolen from 1939 but done well), the alternation of the Anaykh scene so it is dramatic instead of comedic, and in the American version there is the greatest quote of all time:

“The booby wants to know where he is”

6. 1923. Lon Chaney is the highlight of this monumentally important film. However, while the first half hour is incredible, the middle hour is lacking for me. Much of the melodrama between Phoebus and Esmeralda, and the conflict that instills in Clopin, are pretty boring. Jehan is a weak villain and there are certain plot elements that go nowhere, such as that of Gudule.

5. 1911. A thirty minute silent film that was only rediscovered and made widely availible last year. Not only is it true to the novel, but it is able to tell it’s story and convey the emotions of the characters predominantly through visuals and body language. Unlike the 1923 film, there is not an over reliance on title cards. The ending also is amazing, probably the most horrific death for Frollo in any adaptation. You actually see him land on the ground and die- I have no idea how that was achieved without special effects.

4. (There is no 4)

3. Disney’s The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1996). A clumsy, overwritten movie that had too many cooks in the kitchen. Nevertheless, the film is a visual and auditory masterpiece, on a scale and dealing with subject matter never before and never since dealt with in a Disney animated film. The gargoyles and especially the random cutaway gags (the merry chase Scene) serve to harm the tone. Most of the issues were actually addressed in the 1999 German stage version, and made much worse in the 2014 off broadway version. This version is special bc it got me into hunchback and helped me meet a very personal friend of mine.

2. Parizes Dievmates Katedrale. An obscure (outside of its native country) Latvian opera from 1997. Not only incredibly faithful to the novel, it has amazing music and a bizarre horror undertone to it all, and the piece is oddly...sexual? but in the least sexy way possible. Very Eastern European as well. Cruel, disturbing, romantic, and hilarious, I wish this version was more well known. The only real weakness is the first scene, which gives an origin to Quasimodo’s mother and is rather boring. I would love to see it translated into English.

1. 1939. The definitive cinema version, and a rather loose adaptation. Well directed and acted throughout, it is a masterpiece of the studio era. Phenomenal sets, costumes, and especially music from Alfred Newman. It’s themes of words over force, reason vs “stupid superstition and prejudice” and a heartbreaking portrayal of Quasimodo make this film unforgettable. A huge inspiration for the Disney movie by the way, so for fans of that version, this is a must see

#the hunchback of notre dame #notre dame de paris #this was so long to write

[hugos-esmeralda]

Pegasus, bident, harpe :)

Pegasus: Last movie you watched? 

Planes, Trains and Automobiles with my dad and brother.

Bident: What is your favorite way to spend free time?

Listening to music and reading, especially nddp lol

Harpe: What are your top 3 favorite places?

There’s this really cute little Italian restaurant I go to with my family, the beach, and maybe my house? idk

 thank you <3333

[thetollofthebells]

Is it weird that while everyone on all forms of HoND media is just disgusted by Quasi's looks, but my first instinct is to hug him and tell him it's all going to be okay?

*crackles knuckles*  Anon, you have come to the right person.

Okay.  So I saw HoND in theatres when I was 4.  I was obsessed with it and specifically Quasimodo.  My Mom didn’t understand why, and she thought it was hysterical because she told me I missed the point of the movie.

I was like head over heels for him as a kid and kind of never grew out of that whoops if he were real I’d marry the fuck out of him WHOOOOOPS WHO SAID THAT and I literally couldn’t understand why everyone thought it was so funny.  I didn’t get it??? I thought he was adorable and sweet and literally the sweetest child that has ever been.  I had a fucking picture of him hanging above my bed until I was 13.  And I’m still pissed my Dad threw it out without my permission.

All kidding aside, he’s such a tragic character across the media forms.  A character who has had everything against him, despite just wanting basic things [not really talking about NDdP, because Quasi was a bit more of just a mindless follower to Frollo tbh...] like to be spoken to/treated as a normal person.  It’s so so easy to sympathize with him, especially in Disney because they wanted us to.  When we first see Quasi’s face, the lighting is bright and the music is gentle and calming, because that’s how we’re supposed to see him.

TLDR; No, not weird at all.  Because I literally love this character so much my heartaches and I’m close to 27 years old.  And that poor boy needs all the hugs he can get

#[[ SORRY YOU DIDN'T ASK FOR THIS BUT I JUST LOVE HIM ]] #Anonymous

[diaryofanobsessivefangirl]

pls join me in the brian x rebecca hell I remember you were a fellow shipper

I watched every movie/mini serie adaptation of it, read the book and even brought a fansequel for just ship material?

My mother introduced to me. She is a vxh shipper as well. She even shipped the monster from the black lagoon and the heroine in the black and white movie.

I was a little disappointed at first doe. It was like fresme, but lacking the passion. No surprise since NDdP is french and Ivanhoe is British (I’m sorry, but for all amazing literature they provided us for centuries, British can’t write sexual tension for shit)

However, I see a great potential in them, which was best explored on the 1997′s mini-series. Here is me rambling about my favorite moments (X)

#Answered #Ivanhoe #Rebecca x Bois Guilbert

[budjavlebac]

Concept art for Hellfire.

#notre dame de paris #the hunchback of notre dame #nddp movies #nddp #hond #la esmeralda #esmeralda #judge claude frollo #claude frollo #frollo #frollo x esmeralda #fresme #hellfire #hond concept art #disney concept art #concept art #disney