So back in September I exchanged some messages with a complete imbecile called “lala-slave-labor”; then they made a post where they published the conversation, framing it as “crazy person tried to convert me”. Even though all I did was pointing out that their idea of “free speech” was completely impossible, because...
They initially claimed that limiting the speech of bigots is not “freedom”.
However, I pointed out that, when bigots are left free to spread hate speech, this INEVITABLY results in bigots limiting the speech of their victims.
Therefore, Lala’s solution was that bigots and marginalized people should “compromise”.
...Which is against Lala’s definition of “freedom” (see point 1).
Anyway, Lala deactivated, but SYABM was one of the few people who reblogged it, uncritically siding with Lala (because of COURSE he is). Anyway, post under the cut.
For easier reading, Lala’s messages are bolded, while mine are not.
lala-slave-labor + aridara
lala-slave-labor
I have seen your posts. Do you honestly believe everything you post? Do you honestly believe everyone else that is sane is with you on this?
09/03/2020
aridara
Be more vague.
09/03/2020
lala-slave-labor
The shit you post a lot about
09/03/2020
aridara
MORE.
lala-slave-labor
Shit you were postin’ yesterday, you dense mother fucker.
aridara
M
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R
E
lala-slave-labor
Do you fight for racial justice?
since you’re a daft cunt
aridara
Yes.
lala-slave-labor
ACAB?
aridara
The system is completely fucked up, from how management completely fails to make cops take responsibility for pretty much anything, to how cops are trained.
So more like “tear down everything and start over”.
lala-slave-labor
Everything?
aridara
Yep.
lala-slave-labor
Even how America does elections?
aridara
What does the USA electoral system have to do with the USA police system?
lala-slave-labor
the politicians set how the cops do their job
aridara
Hold on, you mean the USA presidential elections or… pretty much every other political election in the USA? Given that they use two very different systems?
lala-slave-labor
The politicians make the policies.
Are you even American?
aridara
No.
lala-slave-labor
Yet America is a racist country?
aridara
Maybe you should ask non-white people in America.
lala-slave-labor
I am not-white
aridara
With all due respect, you are one and they are legion.
lala-slave-labor
non-whites are a hive mind? A collective? We all believe the same things?
aridara
No.
lala-slave-labor
“you’re the only one and they are legion”
you so sure?
aridara
It’s similar to your body: every cell has a different opinion, and yet you aren’t dissolving in a pile of molten flesh just because half your body wants to go in one direction and half in another.
lala-slave-labor
Do all or 90+% black people hate cops? Are cops killing blacks because they’re black?
aridara
1) I don’t know. Probably.
2) They are much more harsh towards black people for no reason* other that they’re black.
(*: Reasons that are directly contradicted by their actions are ignored.)
lala-slave-labor
I haven’t been shot or arrested because I’m not white. None of the other non-whites here haven’t been shot.
Where are you getting your information?
aridara
……Are you claiming that non-white Americans do NOT get shot?
Because that’s wizardry.
lala-slave-labor
Mostly by non-white people…
Have you been to American big cities?
aridara
Fun fact: most crimes involving white criminals affect white people. And yet, white people have literally never cared about white-on-white crime.
To your question: no.
lala-slave-labor
Because, at least where I live (a 90+% white state, with a sub-10% crime rate), no one gets shot or arrested. It’s big news when it happens, and that’s because it happens…ohhhh, maybe once a year, if not rarer.
lala-slave-labor
Where are you getting your information?
09/03/2020
aridara
God.
lala-slave-labor
What?
Straight up…
Gee Oh Dee God?
aridara
Also lots of people, for They are Her creation, and They are the Many to Her One.
lala-slave-labor
How do you feel about gay people? Trans people?
aridara
They face a lot of discrimination and should get the same rights as everyone else.
Also, I don’t get why transphobes are literally obsessed with genitals - especially those of children. It’s super creepy.
lala-slave-labor
God does not approve. And God is just and good. Soooooo
aridara
Different God.
lala-slave-labor
There’s only 1 God.
But which God is this?
aridara
In pretty much all monotheistic religions, the name of the god is literally the word for “god”.
lala-slave-labor
“they’re all the same”
aridara
No, they are not. Christianity is a lot different than Islam, for instance.
lala-slave-labor
Islam always kills the gays
based religion
aridara
Nope. There’s tons of Islam currents that are pro-LGBT.
lala-slave-labor
That’s a vast minority.
aridara
Fun fact: there were quite a few major currents in the Middle Ages where forcibily converting other people into Islam was punished with exile at best, death penalty at worst.
Also, “vast minority” is pretty inaccurate.
lala-slave-labor
Have you spoken to many muslims?
aridara
Yes.
lala-slave-labor
More than 1000
aridara
They treat people like ISIS in the same way I would treat, say, Mussolini.
And yes.
Have YOU?
lala-slave-labor
You won’t believe me.
aridara
I believe a lot of things.
lala-slave-labor
like Social Justice?
aridara
But, admittedly, not EVERYTHING.
For example…
Do you know someone in real life well enough that you know their tumblr username, and yet you have no idea what their name is?
lala-slave-labor
No
aridara
Exactly.
lala-slave-labor
Nice deflection.
aridara
I got someone claiming that ten people do that: they know me in real life well enough to know what’s my Tumblr blog, but not my name.
It’s whack.
lala-slave-labor
Do you believe in that social justice?
aridara
But enough venting.
Yes, I DO believe in Social Justice.
lala-slave-labor
Yikes
you have a lot of mental illnesses, don’t you?
aridara
No. But I have scoliosis.
aridara
…You’re searching “scoliosis” on Wikipedia, aren’t you.
lala-slave-labor
Crooked spine
no
I know a chick with that condition
But I digress, do people who don’t believe in social justice have mental illnesses?
aridara
No?!? That’s like saying that people who prefer Star Trek to Star Wars have mental illnesses. It’s nonsense.
lala-slave-labor
Didn’t you recently post “Trump supporters are racist”?
aridara
I’m pretty sure that I did. And I stand by it.
That, or they’re ACCIDENTALLY racist.
And honestly, I don’t know which is worse.
lala-slave-labor
I guess I, a non-white, is racist
somehow
aridara
By supporting a massive racist, which fucks over non-white people in general you included?
Yes.
lala-slave-labor
And an immigrant
aridara
Look, if you voted for a guy so racist that frikkin NIXON told him to cut it off, maybe you should pause and think about what you’re doing.
lala-slave-labor
He’s better than Biden, by miles.
aridara
In terms of bigotry or in terms of competence?
lala-slave-labor
Both
aridara
Because we’re talking about the guy who managed to bankrupt a casino. Multiple times.
How the FUCK do you manage to bankrupt a casino.
lala-slave-labor
That’s retarded, bro
aridara
I guess if you get bombed, or if there’s some kind of natural disaster… But neither of these applies to Trumpadilladilladome, house of the Drumpatilladimmsdimmatrumbadillampadome.
™
lala-slave-labor
“he ain’t competent, he let a business go bankrupt hurr hurr”
My people, my neighbors matter. The rest of world can burn for all I care.
aridara
MULTIPLE businesses go bankrupt. Including ones that, if you start up with some capital (like him), they’re pretty much impossible to bankrupt.
Hold on, let me Google it.
lala-slave-labor
Trump has been good for my community.
We also don’t have many dead by cop black people here
aridara
Six bankruptcies (is that the plural for “bankruptcy”?) between hotels and casinos.
lala-slave-labor
Outta how many?
aridara
I don’t know about the hotels, but casinos have a 100% bankruptcy rate.
lala-slave-labor
Yet our economy, pre-covid, was amazing.
aridara
5 casinos.
Until he decided to intervene personally, instead of changing the directives of Obama and Bush.
Trump Steaks evaporated.
lala-slave-labor
I support racism, bro.
Nothin’ wrong with that.
aridara
As for Trump University [pre-registered laughter]
Racism is pseudoscience.
lala-slave-labor
“we’re all the same”
aridara
In big numbers? Yes.
lala-slave-labor
If racism is fake pseudoscience, how come we gotta end racism? It ain’t real.
aridara
Because a lot of people still believe that it’s not only true, but a valid science.
lala-slave-labor
Where are you getting these sources?
aridara
“Oh, look, I proved that black people have a much lower IQ than white ones! I compared poor black people that couldn’t finish school because they had to work to support their own families, and white college students that studied how to solve IQ tests for years!”
That was from Stormfront, by the way. Not an exact quote - obviously - but the sentiment was there.
lala-slave-labor
And yet I put in less work but got better grades than my white peers.
It benefit me, so not a problem.
aridara
With all the due respect, you have a Spider Georg situation.
lala-slave-labor
what?
lala-slave-labor
Is it because I’m not white?!
lala-slave-labor
But I don’t eat spiders.
lala-slave-labor
Why are you commenting in American politics?
aridara
Spite.
Also, America influences the rest of the world, for better or for worse.
For example, Trump’s election significantly increased the amount of right-winf extremists in my country, followed by a sharp increase in the suicide rate of said extremists.
lala-slave-labor
Sorry you live in a country that is so weak that other nations can mess with it.
I don’t go around saying “hey, guys and gals from (your country), don’t vote for that guy”.
You don’t have that PRIVILEGE.
lala-slave-labor
Your country affects America, too.
But I don’t go around tellin’ your people who to vote for.
lala-slave-labor
Why are you so spiteful? What’d Trump (and/or America) do to you?
aridara
Do I have to list all the waya Trump messed up with international politics and encouraged the rise of right-wing extremists in pretty much all of Europe? Not to mention the fact that he is Putin’s ally, to the point of repeatedly breaking the law for free just to save hostile Russian agents?
lala-slave-labor
Right-wing bad, huh? You’re the good guys, on the right side of history, yeah?
lala-slave-labor
Freedom is absolute.
Everyone can say what they want, and it’s not a crime. Someone said a slur? So what, they have that damn freedom.
lala-slave-labor
From what my aunt and grand mother said, in Germany, Merkle invited them in herself.
Did it to themselves.
lala-slave-labor
They orchestrated the fall of the EU. No one liked the EU. There was never any good reason to stick with that fascist hell state.
lala-slave-labor
humans yearn, nay DEMAND freedom!
aridara
Funny, because hate crimes - including murder - significantly increased.
By the way: absolute free speech is impossible. You either limit bigotry, or you end up with bigotry’s victims being silenced.
lala-slave-labor
And we have a moral mandate to stop discrimination and hate speech?
aridara
I mean, if you don’t want people like us advocating in favor of sending people like you + your families + your friends death and rape threats every single day for the rest of your life. Especially the children.
lala-slave-labor
What’re you proposing we do to ensure all is safe and welcome? We can’t just let everyone do as they please, right? I mean, words kill, right?
09/04/2020
lala-slave-labor
What do you think of…Yuri Besmenov?
09/04/2020
aridara
The idea is pretty simple: if you advocate in favor of discriminating against, deporting and/or harming entire groups of people for no reason other that said groups exist, you go fuck yourself, and people have the right to take you at face value.
And I never heard of Besmenov.
lala-slave-labor
Freedom is absolute.
He called this social justice stuff back in the 80’s, to a T but everyone is pissed at him because he made them (rightly) look like inhuman monsters who hate freedom.
lala-slave-labor
Do you want to ban freedom or let people be discriminated against?
09/04/2020
aridara
Do you want to ban the freedom of bigots, or the freedom of the bigots’ victims?
lala-slave-labor
why do we have to ban either?
aridara
Because here’s the thing: every single time “advocating in favor of discriminating / deporting / harming an entire groups of people for no reason other that said groups exist” was freely allowed, EVERY single time it got worse to the point that said groups of people were threatened and harmed into silence.
So, we can’t have both. It’s one or the other.
So, what do you pick? The bigota? Or their victims?
lala-slave-labor
For no good reason, huh? Is it really because racism?
aridara
In absence of any other reason*, yes.
(*: Claiming that your reason is X doesn’t count if it is demonstrated that your reason is NOT X.)
lala-slave-labor
So what the native populace wants isn’t a valid reason? We should just try to accommodate everyone from all cultures in the same neighborhood?
aridara
Did you actually read what I wrote?
lala-slave-labor
Yes.
Different cultures cannot coexist.
aridara
They have. Throughout history.
I mean, random example: the UNITED States of America.
lala-slave-labor
It’s mostly white, Christians
aridara
So are Italy, Spain and Germany, and yet they’re very different cultures.
Like the USA. The USA are 50 different cultures in a trench coat.
lala-slave-labor
Most of America is white people. Most of America is Judeo-Christian.
aridara
So are Italy, Spain and Germany. And yet they are extremely different cultures.
lala-slave-labor
They don’t have freedom.
Freedom or bust
aridara
You don’t know that “culture” means more than race and religion, do you?
lala-slave-labor
Do you, as an Non-American, know what freedom is?
aridara
Do you?
Is it “I can do whatever the fuck I want, and fuck everyone else”?
lala-slave-labor
I can cause offense without having the government all up on my ass.
lala-slave-labor
I can legally own guns.
lala-slave-labor
As long as it’s not a threat or you’ve been asked to leave, you can generally do what you want.
Wanna spray slurs on the road? GO FOR IT
wanna call entire groups of people names? GO FOR IT
The government literally can’t stop you unless you start affecting other people.
and no, calling say, gays, mean things isn’t “government gonna stop you” worthy.
Can you do ANY OF THAT where you come from?
without getting arrested or “given a talking to by the local cops”
lala-slave-labor
all you’re saying is “I don’t like x, if you do x, you’re a shit person and I’m better”
and
“You’re X. I don’t care if I’m wrong, you’re X.”
lala-slave-labor
That basically shuts down all conversation. It’s proving you’ve got nothing of value to say. It’s why you and others like you with your points pull that.
lala-slave-labor
There is a third option to your question. Don’t get the government involved, and let the people themselves solve the issue. Don’t want foreigners around? Kicked out. And they aren’t wrong for it. Foreigners might radically change the neighborhood to something the locals find offensive and obscene.
lala-slave-labor
Unless you can grasp that “let people solve their problems” by taking a third option to your query, stay the fuck out of American politics.
lala-slave-labor
Last point: the victim can use freedom of speech to get the bigot thrown in jail. They aren’t helpless…usually. Though, that usually is just the mentally ill ones.
aridara
Nope. As I said, either you defend bigotry; or you defend the victims of bigotry. Can’t defend both.
For example, in your scenario, bigots are allowed to call for the deportation of gay and “foreign” (read: anyone of the “wrong” race) people, for absolutely no reason besides “those people dare to exist”. This inevitably escalates into harassment, threats and crimes, until gay and foreign people are silenced and kicked out.
Voilà: total freedom of speech is lost, because entire groups of people are now unjustly silenced.
We saw this happen literally every time bigotry was freely allowed. Every. Single. Time.
But it’s clear that you would pick the bigots. “Don’t want foreigners around? Kick them out.”
09/04/2020
lala-slave-labor
Fine, you fucking retard. Yes, I’ll defend the bigots. Now fuck off with that “they might silence people” moralistic bullshit.
Yes, it is as you say, people will get treated like shit because they aren’t locals.
You’re so fuckin’ hung up on it.
“b-but the victims they bsbdoifjweoij”
“you can’t defend both” why not? Because I HAVE TO PICK A SIDE
Is that how this works?
lala-slave-labor
I don’t have to pick a side. People are dying daily in America, but guess fucking what, I don’t have to give a fuck, you European cunt.
You’re basically saying “we should protect everyone”. You realize what happens when we strip away freedom right?
lala-slave-labor
No one in America genuinely likes you Europeans. We all openly mock you.
lala-slave-labor
“but they might kill themselves” yeah and? That’s not my problem. They’re free to do that. So long as they aren’t taking other people with them, far be it from me or anyone else to stop them.
lala-slave-labor
If you place the safety of the people above all else, you get tyranny.
And if I see any tyranny, it’s my duty as a patriotic American to kill it.
lala-slave-labor
Freedom is absolute. It allows people to be harmed by assholes, but if it goes away, everyone will have 0 rights, not just those stupid foreigners you so love to “care” for.
But hey, I’m not a tyrant-in-the-making, like some people.
Because, newsflash, asshole, everyone is equal in America.
It’s literally illegal to be treated like shit by government and jobs because of what or who you are, within reason.
lala-slave-labor
You are going to have to restrict someone’s rights. Who, then, will be on the receiving end? The bigots? That rapes their rights. The victims? Again, rapes their rights. Not only that, but it kills the rights.
lala-slave-labor
You’re being a moral guardian-type busy body. No sane, rational American liked you assholes in the 90’s with that Satanic Panic bullshit, and we sure as shit don’t fucking like it now with this puritan, social justice bullshit.
So yes, I’m gonna defend the bigots.
But I’m also gonna defend the victims you say you care for.
Because it’s my duty to protect the rights of all within my country.
Sure, people might kill themselves, but the alternative is a dystopian “utopia”.
lala-slave-labor
So, until you, a collectivist prick, gets it through your thick fucking skull that you don’t have to side with either bigots or their victims, that you can defend both, stay the fuck out American politics.
lala-slave-labor
I am not taking your shit. Speak plainly, you wanna make a world where all are safe from being emotionally harmed.
09/04/2020
aridara
Are you done?
The fact is that you cannot defend the speech of both bigots and their victims. Is one or the other.
aridara
Literally every single time I asked people to find me ONE place where
1) “Advocating in favor of discriminating/deporting/harming entire groups of people for no reason other that said groups exist” was freely allowed; AND
2) Where that decision did NOT result into the bigotry becoming way wider-spread and worse, and the bigotry’s victims getting silenced,
- nobody answwred.
Because it’s utterly impossible. You can’t defend both. You defend bigotry, you give up the rights of the victims of bigotry. You are not American.
aridara
You said it yourself: unless you defend EVERYONE’s rights, you aren’t American.
09/04/2020
lala-slave-labor
I don’t have to live by people from Syria, Nigeria, Algeria, Greece, Japan, China, Peru, Mexico, let alone anyone else.
You won’t be honest about what you’re trying to say.
If they immigrate LEGALLY, they won’t get deported.
I’ve been here for 28 years. I came in legally. I don’t fear deportation. Comes with citizenship.
lala-slave-labor
If you’re a citizen, you won’t be treated like shit by the government.
lala-slave-labor
My father’s family has been here for 200 or so years, if not longer. But we have to share HIS LAND with people who weren’t even born here, that no one has ever met?
lala-slave-labor
His side of my family has spent the first 200 years I know of booting foreigners. They don’t have a right to our land. They aren’t OUR people.
lala-slave-labor
I’m not gonna stop the bigot from calling blacks niggers, calling trans people trannies, and all other manners of slurs. But I’m also not gonna stop the victim from contacting the proper authorities to deal with it.
The issues doesn’t involve us. It’s between the two engaged.
But hey, I’m debating a retard online what can’t even be honest about what he’s activisting about.
I’m not about to rob the victim, as you keep pointing out, of their agency. They don’t NEED any help.
But what can I say? I’m not on the right side of history, am I?
Out with your intentions.
Lying is a sin. You market your beliefs, removing the negative parts. Have you not thought of the consequences to these ideas? Or do you just not care?
aridara
Not what you said. You said that, if the people don’t want to stay around “foreigners” (read: people of the wrong race), then they have the right to remove them from the country.
lala-slave-labor
It’s not a race thing, you doofus.
aridara
Also, again: there is NO space where freely allowing hate speech did NOT end up with the victims of bigotry being silenced. None. Zero. Nada. Nothing.
Which means: you either defend hate speech, or you defend the victims of bigotry. Can’t defend both.
In either case, according to you, you are against freedom.
Sucks to be you.
lala-slave-labor
RIGHT…
As if the victim can’t use their freedom of speech to bring the bigot to fucking justice.
Or just fucking walk away!
You’re assuming everyone is as weak as you!
Insulting.
That is not “silencing”
you are FREE to make your fucking comments
YOU ARE NOT ENTILTED FOR PEOPLE TO LISTEN TO THEM
OR TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY
it’s not SILENCE
SILENCE IS TO STRIP YOUR RIGHT TO TALK
them not wanting you to talk, is not silence
Maybe them not wanting you to talk for a very good fucking reason
It’s not silence, you retard.
You know naught of freedom!
aridara
Nope - they cannot.
Again: if it was possible, then there should be at least ONE space where hate speech was freely allowed, but where the victims of bigots were still allowed to speak.
But there is not.
No amount of religious fundamentalism will change that.
lala-slave-labor
Then I should be dead.
I face those bigots daily.
aridara
Give it some time.
lala-slave-labor
Give it time?
aridara
Hate speech becomes harassment, which becomes discrimination, which becomes violence.
lala-slave-labor
What, I’m so weak, I’ll kill myself?
aridara
No. It means that the bigots escalate until they straight-up kill you.
See for example what happened in America in recent years.
lala-slave-labor
What do you speak of? The George Floyd thing?
aridara
No, that was just one of the last steps.
I’m talking about the progressive worsening of police racism, coupled with “law and order” politics that heavily disadvantaged black people and immigrants, coupled with multiple economic crises and an epidemic, coupled with one of the most patethic presidencies in USA history.
Coupled with a president who blatantly aligns himself with white supremacists.
Good job: you now are on the brink of a civil war. And your Dear Leader is doing PRECISELY what he shouldn’t be doing in this kind of situation - which ensures that the situation WILL escalate.
Enjoy your next six years.
lala-slave-labor
Then what is Antifa to you? And BLM?
hell, what does Brexit mean to you, while we’re at it.
lala-slave-labor
How has Trump allied with white supremacist
lala-slave-labor
Where are you getting all this information?
lala-slave-labor
‘tis not the illusion of freedom, that which America prospers under. ‘twould appear as so you are jealous, to be frank.
09/05/2020
aridara
Antifa and BLM are a decentralized movement without an actual leadership.
Brexit is the result of extreme nationalism, which is notoriously short-sighted.
aridara
Among other things, Trump repeatedly employs nationalist policies, and heavily prioritizes attacking non-white immigrants over attacking illegal immigrants.
aridara
I get my information from various sources. But my knowledge of how the USA is going towards civil war? That comes rfrom FM 3-24.
lala-slave-labor
What’s wrong with nationalism? Are borders bad, or something?
lala-slave-labor
Plus, like, everyone who is in a place, regardless of if they’ve been allowed in said place, should just be allowed to like, do as they please, with the full rights of people who have lived there their entire lives, right?
lala-slave-labor
So, tell me somethin’, will ya? What’s more important? Freedom or feelings?
Because you refuse to answer simple questions, I must spell it out for you.
lala-slave-labor
Are you just? Are you on the right side of history? I think I know the answer, but it’s best to get it straight from the horses mouth, as they say.
09/05/2020
aridara
Extreme nationalism (like white nationalism - which must not be confused with nationalism in mostly-white nations, they’re different things) is actively harmful, as demonstrated throughout history.
No, I don’t think there should be borders.
Again: your feelings on the matter are completely irrelevant. You either defend the speech of bigots, or you defend the speech of the victims of bigotry - there is no magic third option.
And yes, I do think that I am on the right side of history.
lala-slave-labor
Because people get killed, I have to pick a side?!
Are you fucking crazy?!
aridara
Yep. You either pick the side where bigotry escalates until people get killed; or you pick the side where you limit bigoted speech.
lala-slave-labor
ahahahaha
no
You’re gonna have to kill me.
aridara
Again: there’s no third option.
Literally every single time I’ve asked me to bring ONE example where they defended both bigotry and the victims, they failed.
Whine all you want, die all you want; these are the facts.
If that makes you die, then you are doomed to perish no matter what I or you do.
lala-slave-labor
The just thing to do is to strip rights away from assholes you don’t like?
aridara
Stripping the rights of others is not a right. Bigotry, unless opposed, inevitably strips others of their rights. Do the math.
aridara
Let me put it this way: if someone unjustly attacks you, and the only way out is to kill them, you have the right to kill in self-defense, right?
lala-slave-labor
Every psychopath in history thinks they’re in the right. That’s what having twisted principles will do to you.
aridara
But if you are the one unjustly attacking someone with deadly force, and they have no other option except to kill you to survive… do you still have the right to kill in self-defense? After all, they ARE attacking you with deadly force…
lala-slave-labor
yep
You think this is proving your point?
lala-slave-labor
We must be intolerant of intolerance, yeah? Even though we’re the tolerant ones, right?
what if I think your words are harmful or bigoted? Do I get to just kill you? Why do you get to decide that? What gives you the right?
crap, autocorrect
I and me, not you and you.
what if I think your words are harmful or bigoted? Do I get to just kill you? Why do I get to decide that? What gives me the right?
there, better.
aridara
So, basically, what you’re saying is that we should allow the victim to kill the murderer AND allow the murderer to kill the victim, right?
You don’t see any problem with this?
lala-slave-labor
You see a problem with that?
Do you hate fascism? Is everyone on Trumps side a fascist by virtue of being on Trumps side?
aridara
You have a problem.
lala-slave-labor
yes
I’m a retard lol
lala-slave-labor
Now answer the question.
09/05/2020
aridara
Yes and yes.
09/05/2020
lala-slave-labor
Thank you for taking the time to out yourself.
lala-slave-labor
If you respond, I’ll have to do something drastic.
09/05/2020
aridara
You literally had two world wars where you decided that fascism was bad.
09/05/2020
lala-slave-labor
You’re a good little idiot.
They will kill you if you don’t keep up, if you aren’t useful to them.
lala-slave-labor
And don’t go thinkin’ “I won’t be killed over this by my own party”. Hate to see it, but it happens. A lot. You don’t think BTLM? FUCKING FASCIST!
and then you’re getting death threats. Then they’re attacking you in the streets. You never said Black Trans Lives Mattered or not. But you never said they didn’t.
lala-slave-labor
You’ll one day become a fascist to them. All because they keep changing the rules. Eventually, it gets to a point where…enough is enough.
lala-slave-labor
You cannot accommodate every identity. Some identities want the rest dead.
I’m not the judgemental, tyrannical fascist here. YOU ARE.
lala-slave-labor
You have become the thing you hate. Because eventually, you will be branded a heretic.
aridara
No, I won’t. Antifas haven’t killed anyone in the USA in the last 25 years. Meanwhile, Trumpers alone have killed multiple people.
Same goes for BLM and white supremacists.
lala-slave-labor
Is antifa not an organization? They have chapters like you would the Free Masons.
aridara
You know how I’m 100% sure I won’t get branded as a fascist? Because I’m not a fascist.
And don’t give me any of that “Antifa calls EVERY innocent who disagrees with them 'Nazi’!” bullshit. It didn’t work with the neo-Nazis at the Unite The Right rally, it won’t work now.
lala-slave-labor
Where are the neo-nazis?
aridara
And yes, we CAN accommodate every identity. What we can’t accommodate is bigots.
Can I replace your eyes? Because they clearly aren’t working.
lala-slave-labor
So how do we get rid of bigots?
aridara
We need to replace your ears, too.
In fact, I think this is a “just throw away the whole suitcase” situation.
Anyway, step one is to find a wall.
lala-slave-labor
If you don’t accommodate bigots, are you really accommodating everyone?
Find a wall? And what, pray tell, will happen once we find said wall?
aridara
Get closer to it until your nose almost touches it.
lala-slave-labor
And then?
aridara
Then you stare at it for the next 30 years, without distracting yourself. Every 6 months, make some kind of noise so that we can know that you’re still alive.
It’s very easy.
While you are at it, think about ONE single space where bigotry was freely allowed and you could accommodate for both bigots AND their victims.
lala-slave-labor
Is that what you’re calling execution?
aridara
No.
lala-slave-labor
That’s the part where you shoot them in the head for being a bigot.
I’ve seen videos of that happening.
Hundreds.
aridara
Nope.
lala-slave-labor
Let me guess: fake news meant to make the good guys look bad.
aridara
No, it means that’s not what I am doing.
Of course, there’s always The Alternative. But you won’t like that.
lala-slave-labor
The Alternative?
aridara
Yep, The Alternative.
lala-slave-labor
And that is?
aridara
Are you sure that you want to know it?
lala-slave-labor
I wanna be on the right side of history.
aridara
Because it would require to sacrifice a fundamental part of what makes you “you”.
lala-slave-labor
And that is?
aridara
Your concept of “freedom”.
Not freedom itself; just the way you are currently interpreting it.
lala-slave-labor
Just toss it? Why? What’s wrong with it? Victims killing themselves?
aridara
You can discover it only by taking The Alternative.
lala-slave-labor
And do what, make America more like Europe?
aridara
No.
More like how America was supposed to be.
lala-slave-labor
And how was that? A place where everyone is/was supposed to be safe from anything they dislike or were uncomfortable with?
aridara
No. But you’ll have to take The Alternative to find out.
Are you sure that you want to know what it is?
lala-slave-labor
You keep dancing around it. Just out with it.
aridara
It’s pretty simple:
Just admit that you cannot accomodate both bigots and the victims of bigotry.
lala-slave-labor
And then what? How do we solve that?
aridara
The first step is to accept it. You still haven’t.
lala-slave-labor
Why? Because it isn’t allowed where you live?
aridara
Your concept of “freedom” requires you to find a way to accommodate them both.
Your concept of “freedom” is based on the assumption that such a thing is possible.
lala-slave-labor
Yes.
It is. It happens here.
aridara
This is what I meant by “you must throw away your concept of freedom”.
Because you must accept that it’s impossible.
lala-slave-labor
Then what’s the correct definition of freedom then?
aridara
You have black people killed for no reason other that they’re black.
Gay and trans people tortured until they go insane and kill themselves.
People being arrested for no charges.
You don’t have freedom.
lala-slave-labor
Right, that guy I nearly killed was for no fucking reason.
aridara
And you sure as hell you aren’t accommodating both the bigots and their victims at the same time.
Only the former.
lala-slave-labor
Prick deserves a fate worse than death.
Why can’t we be allowed to have bigots?
aridara
You must accept that your concept of “freedom” is impossible. Only then you can heal.
Until then, you are trapped in your delusions.
Why you can’t have bigots?
lala-slave-labor
Yeah. Why can’t we?
aridara
Because if you have them, then their victims lose their rights. And that goes against your concept of “freedom”.
So, you must stop bigots.
lala-slave-labor
Why do they lose rights? Because some prick is bein’ mean to them? They can’t fight back?
aridara
But if you stop the bigots, then they lise their right to be bigots. And that goes against your concept of “freedom”.
So you must allow bigotry.
But if you allow bigotry, then the victims of bigotry end up losing their rights. And that goes against your concept of “freedom”.
So, you must stop bigots.
lala-slave-labor
Good.
As intended.
aridara
But if you stop the bigots, then they lose their right to be bigots. And that goes against your concept of “freedom”.
So you must allow bigotry.
But if you allow bigotry, then the victims of bigotry end up losing their rights. And that goes against your concept of “freedom”.
So, you must stop bigots.
But if you stop the bigots, then they lose their right to be bigots. And that goes against your concept of “freedom”.
So you must allow bigotry.
But if you allow bigotry, then the victims of bigotry end up losing their rights. And that goes against your concept of “freedom”.
So, you must stop bigots.
lala-slave-labor
No I don’t.
aridara
But if you stop the bigots, then they lose their right to be bigots. And that goes against your concept of “freedom”.
So you must allow bigotry.
But if you allow bigotry, then the victims of bigotry end up losing their rights. And that goes against your concept of “freedom”.
So, you must stop bigots.
But if you stop the bigots, then they lose their right to be bigots. And that goes against your concept of “freedom”.
So you must allow bigotry.
lala-slave-labor
I don’t have to stop the bigots, nor do I have to save the victims.
aridara
Yes, you do. Your concept of “freedom” requires it.
lala-slave-labor
Your concept of freedom is shit. It’s no wonder why both World Wars started in that shithole of a continent.
aridara
No, it’s YOUR concept.
You want to accommodate everyone’s rights: both those of bigots, and those of their victims
So, if you limit bigotry, you are anti-freedom.
lala-slave-labor
Why do we have to limit rights?
aridara
And if you allow bigots to take away their victims’ rights, you’re also anti-freedom.
lala-slave-labor
No.
aridara
Yes. You said so.
You wanted to accommodate both of them.
lala-slave-labor
I don’t have to, nor am I compelled by emotion, save either.
aridara
Well, go ahead. Do it. Or perish trying.
And if you don’t want to do it…
…why do you hate freedom?
lala-slave-labor
Do you even have freedom?
aridara
Do you?
I’m sure that you don’t.
lala-slave-labor
I do.
aridara
You either defend bigots, which means that their victims lose their rights, and freedom is lost…
lala-slave-labor
I can go around screaming “nigger tranny faggot get the hose” and shit and nothing happens.
aridara
…Or you stop bigots, which means that THEY lose their rights, and freedom is lost.
lala-slave-labor
I can do that all day.
aridara
You are encouraging bigotry to spread. And the more it spreads, the worse it gets.
Until bigots kill people.
lala-slave-labor
And?!
aridara
Which is against freedom.
lala-slave-labor
big fuckin’ whoop
aridara
Why do you hate freedom?
lala-slave-labor
that is what it means to be free.
aridara
Hating freedom means being free?
Not having freedom means being free?
Preserving the freedom of some, but not others, is “protecting freedom”?
Is that why they hated you?
lala-slave-labor
Right, the victim of bigotry has no rights. The cops will totes just side with the bigot.
Is that how this works?
aridara
When bigotry spreads enough, yes.
lala-slave-labor
Or are you projecting how your not-free hellhole handled shit?
aridara
Because then the bigots enter in the police system.
Which is precisely what happened in the USA. It’s not random that 40% of cops are domestic abusers.
lala-slave-labor
You’re right, not 40%.
It’s not even 10%.
aridara
Because they are bigots. And they have spread to the point that they have invaded the police system.
lala-slave-labor
And I’m not about to rewrite the system over less than 10% of the cops being shit people.
aridara
And nope, it’s 40%. At MINIMUM.
lala-slave-labor
No cop where I live is like that. Everyone respects them.
aridara
And that’s without going the open white supremacy of many cops. We’re talking “I want an ethnic cleansing” amount of bigotry.
lala-slave-labor
It’s only like that in the big cities, which is a small minority of the nation.
Good on them.
They’re free to do it.
aridara
Keep telling yourself that.
lala-slave-labor
You can’t save everyone.
aridara
Are you feeling this safe because you know that your cops are as bigoted as you?
lala-slave-labor
Better the fascist than you subhuman communists!
aridara
So it was never about freedom at all, eh?
It was only about YOUR freedom - at the expense of everyone else.
It was about POWER.
lala-slave-labor
Americans first. Foreign scum never.
aridara
I find it hilarious that you disbelieved my “40% of cops are domestic abusers, minimum”.
You know, considering that you have the exact same mindset as an abuser.
lala-slave-labor
Freedom is absolute. If I restrict the rights of one, freedom isn’t absolute.
That means bigots get to stick around.
But what’s so bad about bigotry?
aridara
But by doing so, you are restricting the rights of the victims.
lala-slave-labor
You seem hellbent on getting rid of it.
aridara
Which means that freedom isn’t absolute.
So are you.
lala-slave-labor
Oh, it is. I don’t have to pick sides.
aridara
Nope. You ARE picking a side, whether you want it or not.
lala-slave-labor
“bigot is bein’ mean” okay have fun.
“this foreign scum is musclin’ in on my turf” okay have fun.
aridara
Letting bigotry spread is one side - one that harms the victims of bigotry and leads towards their rights being denied.
That isn’t “having fun”. That isn’t freedom.
That’s AGAINST fredom.
So, you must stop bigots.
But if you stop the bigots, then they lose their right to be bigots. And that goes against your concept of “freedom”.
So you must allow bigotry.
But if you allow bigotry, then the victims of bigotry end up losing their rights. And that goes against your concept of “freedom”.
An infinite paradox, one that has only two solutions.
lala-slave-labor
The victim needs to grow up. Compromise.
As does the bigot.
aridara
Nope. Compromise is not freedom, according to you.
lala-slave-labor
I have no right to interfere in the affairs of others. Not like some godless heathen like you’d know about that.
aridara
And letting bigotry spread directly leads to bigotry interfering with the affair of its victims.
Not like some godless heathen like you would know about that.
You only have two solutions. One is to give up your flawed ideal of “freedom”.
lala-slave-labor
So what’s your real answer? Kill the bigots? They won’t stop being bigots.
aridara
Don’t change the argument.
lala-slave-labor
That’d infringe on their right to life.
aridara
Don’t change the argument.
You only have two solutions. One is to give up your flawed ideal of “freedom”.
lala-slave-labor
I don’t bend to the will of a terrorist.
aridara
The other is to give up this existence.
lala-slave-labor
Every coin has an edge. There’s a third path!
aridara
It is not my will, nor the terrorist’s will. It simlpy IS.
There is not.
lala-slave-labor
If you loved freedom enough to even consider dyin’ for freedom, you’d know that!
aridara
And yet, despite the fact that you loved freedom so much that you considered dying for it, not even you managed to find this “third path”.
Because it doesn’t exist.
lala-slave-labor
Because of a few assholes kill niggers?
Or that trannies get bullied to death?
aridara
Because letting bigotry spread leads to a LOT of assholes killing black people.
lala-slave-labor
Life isn’t perfect. And it shouldn’t ever be.
aridara
Then your idea of “freedom” is impossible.
lala-slave-labor
The only solution that will please you is to genocide the bigots.
aridara
No, it is not.
lala-slave-labor
They won’t stop being bigots.
aridara
And?
lala-slave-labor
Bigots have no place in this world, right? Hell, not even in this universe, no?
aridara
That’s what YOU think.
lala-slave-labor
It’s the logical conclusion to your extremist ideology.
aridara
Nope.
lala-slave-labor
Said it so yourself. Bigots must be removed.
aridara
Nope again.
lala-slave-labor
Putting people into a corner gonna change them?
aridara
Who said anything about change?
lala-slave-labor
That violates their right to speech, of free expression.
aridara
And their bigotry violates their victims’ right to speech. Your point?
lala-slave-labor
How?
aridara
Just like your ideal of “freedom” cannot exist,
lala-slave-labor
Why?
Because of a few assholes?
aridara
your idea of what MY beliefs are… doesn’t actually exist.
You just delude yourself into rejecting reality.
lala-slave-labor
What does Karl Marx mean to you?
aridara
That is how you manage to claim that you are defending freedom for everyone, while simultaneously admitting that your beliefs cause entire groups of people to lose THEIR freedom.
lala-slave-labor
Who says they’ve lost their freedom? Someone with 0?
aridara
Because you delude yourself into ignoring reality and how it contradicts your beliefs.
See, you aren’t even responding to my words anymore. You just rant about whatever you wanted to rant before.
lala-slave-labor
No.
aridara
Because you ignore anything that hurts your feelings.
lala-slave-labor
I was in middle of something else that required my attention.
aridara
This conversation is pointless. Farewell.
lala-slave-labor could not send
It’s pointless? Because you can’t convince a wet paper bag?
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