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elpis-simps · 3 months
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Okay I just found out something. So we all know Captain Marvel. (BTW this post is for marvel fans) and her movie. I've watched that movie multiple times. Love it, I think it's written fairly well, great CGI, funny script, good lore and story, love how everything ties in, overall its a really good movie; and captain marvel is one of my favourite superheroes, and one of the most badass.
WHY THE F*CK do people think she's a "bad movie and bad superhero" like it's one of the really good B.E movies! (Before Endgame)
**I'm using B.E as Befoee Endgame because A.E (after endgame) is arguably the worse marvel era. Don't get me wrong, it has some great stuff in A.E, but B.E is just better overall.
Anyways, back to what I was saying. I think k Brie Larson was a great actress and did really well portraying the character Captain Marvel. Not to mention captain marvel was one of the overpowered superheroes in the B.E era, before they started making everyone OP to defeat big CGI villains and to make their movies more action packed to get more views and stuff. She had good plotline, good powers, cool backstory, funny, and genuinely one of my favourite female superheroes.
I would love to see her as the new face of the MCU, A.E. considering they killed off what was generally considered the "face" of the MCU, Iron Man and Captain America, they haven't put much focus on one or two specific people to be aforementioned face.
Captain marvel hasn't been killed off, she has amazing potential, and she's personally one of my favourite 'Big Badass Backup To Fight Big Strong Villain" in those "No hope left" moments.
I don't understand the hate on her. May e its because she was, along with Natasha Romanff, one of the first female superheroes on-screen in the MCU. Sexism is a big thing in movies and stuff, but I have some reasons why I think she and another person- who I will mention later- should be the next 'Face of the MCU'.
1: the previous 'face' duo was Iron man and Captain America. So it sta ds to reason, along with what marvel has been doing to be more racially and gender inclusive, that we should have 2 female superheroes.
Yes I know the whole 'really overexaggerated feminist film superhero plotline new budget annoying superhero to earn more money and get higher ratings' thing is annoying; but hear me out.
Point 2: I have a few options, but to continue off of point 1; I feel like a good combo would be The Scarlet Witch and Captain Marvel. (Wanda Maximoff and Carol Danvers)
They are both powerful, badass, good storyline, great actors behind them heroes/characters. They could make for a good duo to contrast from the B.E duo of men.
Point 3: yes u know that Wanda is 'dead' BUT before the rocks fell on her, you could clearly see a flash of RED MAGIC in the rocks. After the entire Dr Strange MoM (multiverse of madness) plotline was 'Scarlet Witch has grown in power she's following us into DUFFERENT DIMENSIONS and was prophesied since the DAWN OF TIME, and has unlocked much more of her powers, I HIGHLY doubt some normal old rocks would kill her.
It's just unlikely considering how obscure some of marvels foreshadowing has been, we know that they foreshadow films that come out like 3 years later.
Point 4: moving away from Captain Marvel and Wanda, how about a new duo.
Bucky Barnes and Yelena Belova. Its similar to the old duo of Captain America (man out of time, from 1940, soldier) and Iron Man (normal human, with special training/ gear that is one of the only things that makes them super.)
This duo would be interesting, especially as we've seen both bucky AND yelena on an official marvel movie poster together.
I personally love both characters;and it pays homage to the golden age of marvel B.E.
Bucky is homage to Captain America (obviously) and Yelena is homage to both Iron Man AND Natasha Romanoff.
And it could allow for more opportunity of the old age to come shining back through the new age, in the form of two humans, who have a rivalry,
(I think it would be interesting to have bucky and yelena to have a mild rivalry at least, considering we chose them due to there similarities with the old duo, cap and stark)
Who are also enhanced in ways that gives them an advantage in fighting, and it could give a lot of opportunity to save marvel. And bucky is a fan favourite character, so considering marvels reputation going down now their movies are getting worse COMPARED TO B.E, I think this could be a great way to bring the nostalgia of the old movies back.
So my original rant was about captain marvel being hated. Sorry for making you read all this, and if you have read everything here, I thank you immensely for giving me the time and chance.
I really miss the B.E era, and hate how they kill off all the OG great characters for new, sh*ttier superheros like Kamala Khan.
So here is just some ideas in my passionate rant which I would love to see. I love Wanda and Captain marvel, but personally I think I would prefer the Winter Soldier and White Widow duo because it would need less fancy magic CGI, and give the film(s) they appear in a more B.E and better quality feel then just a bunch of CGI that takes away from the quality of the movie and storyline, and the lack of CGI ( I mean the bright magic flashy stuff they constantly use in A.E, not the general cgi they more often use in B.E)
Would give the film(s) a better, more enostalgic, more authentic, emotional, just overall better film quality and plotline.
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buckymilf · 1 year
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thinking abt how TFATWS blamed Bucky for being HYDRA's slave ortured and experimented on, blamed by the therapist he's forced with by the governm., blamed by all the characters thru the show even blamed by the Titular character as "tough love". And they want us to believe it's development and not more charac-destruction like mcu justifying tony trying to murder Bucky. all that and Bucky still only gets called "Winter Soldier" in titles & Steve is still the only one who Knows and Defends Bucky 🙃
yeah totally, it's no new news to no one at this point that marvel currently just want the audience to see bucky as guilty, hence why he's in thunderbolts now, they will probably call him an anti-hero or worst, former-villain when he actually was never those two things
also, fyi, bucky continuing to get called the winter soldier is a little more complicated than it looks, and has a lot to do with marvel not wanting to credit his creator aka ed brubaker (the man wasn't even credited or received a penny for tfatws even though his character is LITERALLY on the title)
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Okay so like why is Stephen strange, Peter Parker, Bucky and Loki all so fucking fine! Like DAMN!!!!!
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lokiusly · 4 months
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OB is the type of friend to say “when are you two getting married?” in a genuine tone because he assumed that Loki and Mobius were actually together, only to find out that no— they haven’t confessed their love yet oh my god OB what have you done—
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samwisethewitch · 5 months
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What Non-Pagans Need to Know About Fiction Featuring Pagan Gods
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In light of Marvel's Loki show dropping a second season and a new Percy Jackson series on the horizon, I want to say some things about how fandom spaces can be respectful of real-life pagan religion.
Let's get one thing out of the way: literally no one is saying you can't enjoy fiction that uses pagan gods and heroes as characters. No one is saying, "Stop writing stories about our gods." In fact, many ancient cultures wrote fiction about their gods -- look at Greek theater or the Norse Eddas. The act of writing fiction about the gods is not offensive in itself.
But please remember that this is someone's religion.
The gods are not "just archetypes." Their myths are not "just stories." Their personalities are not a matter of artistic interpretation. For many pagans, the gods are very much real in a literal sense. I don't think Thor is a metaphor or a symbol -- for me, Thor is a real, autonomous spiritual being who exists outside of human perceptions of him, and who I have chosen to build a relationship with. Even if you are a hardcore atheist, I would hope you could at least be respectful of the fact that, to many modern pagans, the gods are both very real and very important.
When authors are not respectful of this fact, they reduce the gods, these very real objects of worship, to fictional characters. And here's the thing about fictional characters: they are fundamentally tools for authors to use to draw a desired emotional response from an audience.
Dracula's personality and behavior is wildly different depending on who is writing him, because different authors use Dracula to create different reactions in their audiences. In the 1931 film starring Bela Lugosi, he's equal parts alluring and disturbing, a symbol of America's mixed desire and disdain for foreigners. In Nosferatu, he's more strictly frightening and disgusting. In Francis Ford Coppola's movie, he's a tragic, romantic figure clinging to the last scraps of his humanity. In Netflix's Castlevania, he's an incredibly powerful being who has grown bitter and apathetic in his immortality. All of this is Dracula, and all of it is fine, because Dracula is not and never has been a central figure in anyone's religion.
Let's take a look at what happens when authors give this same treatment to real gods:
In Hellenic polytheism, Apollo is one of the most beloved gods, both historically and today. Apollo loves humanity, and humanity loves him back. He is the god of sunlight and of medicine, but also of poetry and song. He is one of humanity's most consistent defenders when one of the other gods gets wrathful. And while he does have dangerous or wrathful aspects of his own (he's also the god of disease, after all), he's also kind and soft with humanity in a way other gods often aren't, at least in some historic sources.
In the Lore Olympus comic series, Apollo is a villain. He's characterized as an abuser, a manipulator, and a violent man child. LO!Apollo is downright hateful, because the author wants us to hate him. Lore Olympus is a retelling of a myth about an abduction and forced marriage. Lore Olympus is also a romance. In order to get the audience to sympathize with Hades and root for his relationship with Persephone, Rachel Smythe needed to make someone else the villain. Apollo is the most obvious and extreme character assassination in Smythe's work, but several other gods (notably Demeter) also get the asshole makeover to tell the story Smythe wants to tell.
Here's where this becomes a problem: Hellenic polytheism is a fairly small religious community, while Lore Olympus is a massively popular webtoon with 1.3 billion views as of August 2023, print books available from major retailers, a TV adaptation in the works, and a very active online fandom. Rachel Smythe currently has a MUCH bigger platform than any Hellenic polytheism practitioner. Smythe and other authors are shaping how modern culture views the Hellenic gods, and that has a very real impact on their worshipers.
This means "Apollo is an abusive asshole" is becoming a popular take online, and is even creeping into pagan communities. I've personally seen people be harassed for worshiping Apollo because of it. I've seen new pagans and pagan-curious folks who totally misunderstand the roles Apollo, Hades, and Persephone play in the Hellenic pantheon because of Lore Olympus and other modern works of fiction.
There are tons of other examples of this in modern pop culture, but I'll just rattle off a few of the ones that annoy me most: Rick Riordan depicting Ares/Mars as a brutish asshole hyped up on toxic masculinity; Rick Riordan depicting Athena as a mother goddess; Marvel depicting Thor as a dumb jock; Marvel depicting Odin as a cold, uncaring father; DC depicting Ares as purely evil; whatever the fuck the Vikings TV show was trying to do with seidr; the list goes on.
All of these are examples of religious appropriation. Religious appropriation is when sacred symbols are taken out of their original religious context by outsiders, so that the original meaning is lost or changed. It requires a power imbalance -- the person taking the symbols is usually part of a dominant religious culture. In many cases, the person doing the appropriation has a much bigger platform than anyone who has the knowledge to correct them.
When Rick Rioridan or Rachel Smythe totally mischaracterizes a Greek god to tell a story, and then actual Hellenic pagans get harassed for worshiping that god, that's religious appropriation.
Religious appropriation is a real issue. This isn't just pagans being sensitive. To use an extreme example: Richard Wagner and other German Romantic authors in the 19th century used the Norse gods and other Germanic deities as symbols in their work, which was a major influence on Nazi philosophy. Without Wagner, the Nazis would not have latched onto the Norse gods as symbols of their white supremacist agenda. To this day, there are white supremacist groups who claim to worship our gods or who use our religious imagery in their hate movement. We are still reckoning with the misinterpretation of our gods popularized by Wagner and other German Romantics almost 200 years ago.
Again, no one is saying you can't enjoy fiction based on pagan mythology. But there are a few things you can do to help prevent religious appropriation in fandom spaces:
Above all else, be mindful that while this may just be a story to you, it is someone's religion.
Recognize that enjoying fiction based on our gods does not mean you know our gods. You know fictional characters with the same names as our gods, who may or may not be accurate to real-life worship.
Do not argue with or try to correct pagans when we talk about our experience of our gods.
Don't invalidate or belittle pagan worship. Again, this mostly comes down to recognizing that our religion is totally separate from your fandom. We aren't LARPing or playing pretend. Our sacred traditions are real and valid.
If you see other people in your fandom engaging in religious appropriation, point out what they are doing and why it isn't okay.
Please tag your fandom content appropriately on social media. Always tag the show, movie, book, etc. that a post is about in addition to other relevant tags. This allows pagans to block these fandom tags if we don't want to see them and prevents fandom content showing up in religious tags.
For example, if I'm posting about Athena from the Percy Jackson books, I would tag the post #athena #athenapjo #percyjackson #pjo. You get the idea.
And if fiction sparks your interest and you want to learn more about the actual worship of the gods, you can always ask! Most pagans love talking about our gods and trading book recs.
If you are writing fiction based on real mythology, talk to people who worship those gods. Ask them what a respectful portrayal would look like. If possible, include a note in your finished work reminding audiences that it is a work of fiction and not meant to accurately portray these gods.
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acefusti138 · 3 months
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if im being entirely real, i kinda hate how the mcu moon knight fandom ignores marc spector in lieu of steven grant. no one ever gives marc all the soft treatment that they give ‘precious cinnamon roll steven’ and it pisses me off. there’s so much jakesteven art that legit doesn’t even mention marc. he deserves so much better than this fandom only using him for his alters.
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spidergrotto · 4 months
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thinking about peter listening to the most dramatic soul crushing music outloud while everyone around him grows more and more concerned.
they all use discord and peter has his spotify connected, so they see the songs he listens to throughout the day and natasha is more than concerned when she catches him listening to mitski while doing his calculus homework— she’s ready to offer some sort of.. comfort, but peter just grins at her and seems totally fine— happy even, it’s unnerving.
peter happily working away in the lab with his “swinging around nyc at four am on an empty stomach while the sound of the rain overwhelms my senses and i am mid or post breakdown.” playlist and tony walks in and starts looking up therapist offices immediately after.
wanda and him make playlists together all the time so she’s accustomed to his music and taste, but every so often she see’s a song and has to fight the urge to hug him.
steve doesn’t know any of the songs peter listens to, he decided to look at the few public playlists peter has and is at sams door hours later asking if “spotify is a call for help?”
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sylvies-kablooie · 2 months
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rules of loki's conjuration magic
what can and can't he conjure up?
we know he can conjure fireworks, we see kid loki conjure up a sword, and loki summons that blanket him and sylvie cuddle under. but when it comes to conjuring the tickets for the train on lamentis, he couldn't do it.
my interpretation has always been "he can conjure stuff that he can picture" which SOUNDS pretty solid in theory- after all, a blanket and fireworks are pretty easy to imagine, and he never saw the tickets, so there's no way for him to know what they look like
but also that opens the door to the same problem that people encounter when trying to draw a duck from memory, which is that it turns out ducks are kinda hard to remember all the details of, and he would end up with a weird sort of duck creature but not quite an actual one
(although i used duck for this example just because it is the first thing that came to mind, conjuring up living things seems like it would be its own kind of power akin to wanda's children- we never see loki conjure anything living beyond duplication casting, which is its own separate thing, so i don't THINK he could conjure a duck, but just walk with my example here. you think you know what a Thing looks like until you realize you don't.)
does the ability to conjure something come from visualizing it? or using it beforehand? had he known that blanket and therefore it was easy to summon up? where is it coming from? are the fireworks actually an illusion but the blanket and sword were Very Real?
is there a consensus or is this another topic of highly academic debate in the loki world?
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cieric-of-chaos · 23 days
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Hello its me yapping again... about that witch from Marvel sorry bad English
Scarlet witch solo film but instead of being your typical 'mcu magic user shooting laser beams/lame-portaling to different dimensions plot ' it's Wanda Traveling the World Investigating and solving paranormal Cases, committing exorcism ,Collecting weird possessed knick knacks, Interacting with Supernatural entities like Actual Angels and Demons... Ghost? gnomes? Fairies? Werewolf? vampire?etc..like imagine them being an actual entities and creatures ( I hate that mcu always Scientify/Alienfied (?) Supernatural Entities and mythological creatures) boringggg
I think with an actual creative writer they can make mcu Wanda and mcu Chthon interesting and entertaining not just another "I am demon and I made you do bad things because I chosen you plot" please like imagine if he and Wanda actually met before but Wanda did not know he was a demon, they met after her parents die and he's like....(Don't slap me please) Became like her father figure/weird imaginary best friend, growing up in Wanda's memory he's just a kind oldman/creatures that helps her manage and Cope her with the death of her parents but then he randomly disappears as she reaches adulthood and also as a child she's experiencing supernatural and paranormal activities she didn't know he is the reason she is seeing things until she became the Scarlet witch... there is so many things I want to say....like come onnn the potential is there!Just Imagine The Drama The Angst and Wanda Having a Father(Figure) issue!!
Wanda Maximoff Character have so many potential and I hate that writers don't realize it :( Likes she's interesting....and I hate it even more that majority of her fans just talks on how much they I wanna sleep with her...and if not they are just reducing her to another depressed character that don't know how to handle herself I hate that TikTok fans won't stop focusing on her dead families and won't stop making the same videos over and over again, I don't care about her being powerful i hate that they made her too powerful because it's the only thing people always talks about...and Wanda is not supposed to be scary she is not a horror character stop trying to make her scary pleaseeee stop it (Waldron had done so much damage in her character >:|)
imagine her doing actual witchcraft that is not just "moving lowing hand thingy"...ya know like she obviously still gonna use her powers but not just for shooting beams and levitating objects she can do more than that like 'i hate that magic is just unexplained science thingy' it's so boring, I want her to yell Incantation while casting spells I don't care if it "goofy or corny" that's how magic is supposed to be anyway and I also hate the "no need for Incantation thingy" and the Karate-kungfu with Glowing sticks and circle in Doctor strange...how are these people called wizard?
I hope with see some real Magic in Doctor strange 3
how did mcu manage to make magic boring...I hate this...yes the fight scenes in Doctor strange are entertaining but they remind me of Naruto Ninjas more than wizards... and again sorry for my bad English I am bad at words...and "(?)" means I m not sure if the words are right ..
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snugpunk · 6 days
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Just thinking about food and super heroes,
Spider-man 616 (or any variant of Peter) feels like an Italian guy; usually eating pizza or spaghetti.
Spider-punk: feels like Hobie would love burritos or like Doritos Locos Tacos
Batman: leftover Filet Mignon.
Red Hood: 100% any 24 hour burger place.
That was just the start of what I was thinking about. There’s hundreds of superheroes and villains. But I’ll just leave this here.
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gay-jewish-bucky · 8 months
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As a fanboy myself, from the days before being a “blerd” was cool, I’m just as ecstatic as everyone else is to finally see Wakanda in all its onscreen glory. Yet, simultaneously, I find myself feeling conversely to how I often do in American Jewish spaces. In this African-American cultural moment, where am I? Where’s the rest of me? What space do Jews have in Afro-futurism? Or, more specifically: Where are Wakanda’s Jews? Bear with me, it’s not as far-fetched as it seems.
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Ranting about the old Netflix Marvel shows:
Looking back at the original NMCU as a whole, while I think the general consensus is that this side of the MCU fell off when “Iron Fist” premiered, I think the real issue is more complicated then that. I think that the Netflix shows started off strong, but couldn’t implement their long-term plans for their side of the universe due to mismanagement/lack of collaboration. Oddly enough, the NMCU sorta reflects the current issues with Phases 4 and 5 of the mainstream MCU.
When you look at the shows overall, it feels like a bunch of creators were given free reign with these characters, and it shows. All of them had their own distinct identity, as well as what audience they were targeting. The problems started occurring when the shows had to start connecting.
I can’t say this for sure, but it really feels like no one was put in a Kevin Feige-like position to direct the overall journey. Instead, it feels like Jeph Loeb and Marvel Television (which was its own thing before being absorbed by Marvel Studios) just sorta mandated that the shows need to have a big crossover event. It made sense, especially since the Arrowverse was pulling this off as an annual thing with their shows. While it sounds good on paper, I feel like none of the teams behind each show were in sync with each other:
1) Daredevil didn’t really find a good way to balance the needs of the show and the needs of the crossover. Rewatch season 2 and you’ll notice that while the Punisher storyline feels more thought-out, the Elektra storyline feels jumbled and incomplete. In fact, the first 4 episodes are focused on Frank, and then all of a sudden, Elektra is pushed into the story. I can’t prove this but it feels like the original idea was to focus on Frank Castle, but then Elektra had to be introduced in order to set up “The Defenders”. Which was premiering the following year.
2) Jessica Jones didn’t even bother building up into “The Defenders”.
3) Neither did “Luke Cage”.
4) Although I have a ton of separate issues with “Iron Fist”, I do feel sorry for the production team. This show had the unfortunate burden of having to introduce its hero while also doing most of the build-up for the crossover. To make matters worse, if you read up on the behind-the-scenes development, you would know that the show was rushed out. Finn Jones was literally learning the fight choreography minutes before filming.
I have this funny feeling that Marvel Television set up the schedule for each show and refused to change it. Given more time, Netflix could’ve made it work. I can easily imagine the Elektra storyline being its own season of “Daredevil”, “Jessica Jones” and “Luke Cage” each having a season focused on the Hand, and “Iron Fist” being given more breathing room to introduce Danny Rand before diving into the crossover.
But let’s say Marvel Television didn’t want to make people wait that long for a crossover. Then they still failed to move the storyline of the shows in a way that could naturally lead into “The Defenders”. You’re telling me Jessica and Luke couldn’t have at least had a 1-2 episode subplot about the Hand? Or that the Daredevil team couldn’t have introduced Frank Castle later on in order to prioritize Elektra, who is arguably the most important character in the crossover? “Iron Fist”, while not a good show, at least tried to lead into the crossover.
(Side note: Just as a reminder, a common problem people had with the NMCU was that each season was too long at 13 episodes and that the shows didn’t have enough story to squeeze in. Jessica and Luke could’ve definitely worked in a 1-2 episode Hand stand-alone subplot to offset these issues)
I don’t mean for this post to take away from any of these shows. I still am fond of the NMCU. But looking back at it, I can’t help but feel that they were mismanaged. Good on their own, but since they had a crossover miniseries set up, there needed to be stronger collaboration between each show. Or, at least move the damn crossover if the shows weren’t ready for one.
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alwida10 · 1 year
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You know what, dear journalists? Damn you.
Loki already broke the 4th wall. At sdcc 2013. The outstanding part is that Loki -unlike other 4th wall breaks- didn’t enter “our” world in doing so, but pulled “us” into his. That is the power only OG Loki has.
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hoffmanstits-enjoyer · 8 months
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I found myself confused about a little thing: if Stephen took a look at an enormous amount of possibilities for them to defeat Thanos and he only found one solution, but in MoM we get to see an alternate reality in which they managed to defeat Thanos with the power of the Darkhold— does that mean that there were more paths he could've taken that would lead to success but he didn't find them while searching intuitively for the variables?
Did he just never consider the Darkhold a viable way to win? The Dr. Stephen Strange? The same guy that later was proven to go at any length to resolve issues, INCLUDING USING THE DARKHOLD?!
I also simply cannot believe in the bullshit one of the Stephens said about never finding a single alternative timeline in which he's happy— that makes no fucking sense, because if the movie defines his happiness as Christine then a very important moment to his life would be either chosing her or pushing her away(the specific moment could be argued over; perhaps after the hand surgery and before Kamar Taj?) and the multiverse works so that there has to be at least one ramification out there in which he chose her at the right time. Which makes me think that the Darkhold simply didn't show him those timelines— feeding him the 'truth' that Stephen Strange isn't capable of having a happy ending, the same way I think the Darkhold only showed Wanda the timelines in which she got her children to evoke her wrath over the unfairness of her timeline being the 'only one' in which she has no one.
All i'm saying is that the MCU sucks at explaining the Mystic Arts and the Multiverse.
(Unless i'm missing added information from series like Loki or Agents of SHIELD, which i didn't watch so I wouldn't have any idea... but the basic idea of a multiverse to be infinite and cover every single deviation so?)
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lokiusly · 5 months
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Why do I feel like the “History Is Now” is kinda of a meta title?
This show is making MCU history. It’s the biggest step forward to the multiverse saga, making Loki the god of stories, but—
Since this played at the last scene, with Loki, one of the first bisexual, genderfluid characters portrayed in the MCU, and Mobius, their special partner.
Maybe, just maybe it also includes…
The start of the first openly queer relationships that will be the heart of the MCU multiverse saga.
History IS now.
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aparticularbandit · 5 months
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real talk, though.
if vision quest is about white vision regaining his memories. even if she's dead, wanda should be in that.
you can't give me wandavision and then pretend that vision's memories wouldn't largely involve wanda. or you can, but then that would carry a through line of wanda caring more about vision than he does about her (or, at least, that his priorities were/are different - which you can support with infinity war and his decision to go jump into battle and leave wanda once he noticed the avengers needed his help). and regardless, she would and should still be part of those memories.
that would be the best place to confirm or deny what the mcu official timeline is speculating re: wanda's death because a white vision who truly regained his memories would also probably seek her out, depending on how he relates to those memories, even if he doesn't accept them into who he is or decides to be.
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