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arofili · 3 years

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the line of elros ❖ stewards of gondor ❖ headcanon disclaimer

Mardil Voronwë was the son of Vorondil, and became the first Ruling Steward of Gondor. He served as the third and last Steward to Eärnil II and after him his son Eärnur. Upon Eärnur’s inheritance, the Witch-king of Minas Morgul, whom Eärnur had faced in the North, challenged him again to single combat. Eärnur, rash and humiliated by his failure in their first encounter, was eager to answer, but all his counselors clearly saw that it was a trap. It took the combined persuasion of Eärnur’s mother, lover, and his Steward to convince him not to go at that time, but after his lover was slain in a skirmish, not even the wisdom of Mardil could prevent him from answering the Witch-king’s third challenge. Eärnur left his crown upon the lap of his father in the Houses of the Dead, where it would remain until Steward Faramir would pass it to King Elessar nearly a thousand years later. Eärnur rode past the gates of Minas Morgul with a small escort of loyal knights, never to be seen again. As his fate was for a time uncertain and Eärnur had named no heir, nor were there any obvious lords of royal descent to step forth and make their claim, no new King was selected. Thus, with a heavy heart, Mardil took up the leadership of Gondor, first of the Ruling Stewards. He began his rule with the promise to lead “until the King returns,” at first with the hope that Eärnur would ride back to Minas Tirith in glory, and later as but a formality. Mardil ruled Gondor with wisdom and patience during the time known as the Watchful Peace, earning the epithet Voronwë, “the Steadfast.” He was an even-tempered and practical man who paid close attention to even the minutiae of bureaucracy. His wife Anoriel was likewise a fastidious scholar, and it was at her suggestion that Mardil established a Stewards’ Reckoning of time, inserting two leap-days in an effort to maintain a coherent calendar. The son of Mardil Voronwë and Anoriel was Eradan, first of the Stewards to be named in Sindarin save for those who had taken names from great heroes of the First Age. Eradan was a solitary man who preferred quietude and the company of books. His wife, Gilwen, was of a similar mind, and together they agreed to leave one another alone as soon as their only son Herion came of age. Unlike his father, Herion was a lively and boisterous man eager to enter the social circles of Gondor. He wed the dancer Cadwareth, a beautiful woman whom he adored despite her own inconstant affections. Their son Belegorn was a hunter like his ancestor Vorondil, and though he never brought down a beast so mighty as the Kine of Araw, he carried the Horn of Gondor with a reverence matched only by his love for his wife Lossendil, a healer-woman of Ithilien he met on his travels.

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lesbiansforboromir · 3 years

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Impossible LotR Quiz Answer sheet with explanations!

As an addendum, since people have been doing the quiz I’ve seen a few mistypes and awkwardnesses that are my own fault so I’ve corrected them. This means some people got a higher score than was shown, know that when I looked over your answers I saw your actually right answers and fully appreciated them! It’s good to not that the ‘fill in the blanks’ questions will not take two words in one space, so I’ve had to get creative with how I apply two named folk like Mardil Voronwe, or people who have numbers like Hurin I.

I would also like to say, to everyone talking about how they’ve never read the Silmarillion, this quiz is very purposefully almost entirely based outside of the Silmarillion. This is Appendices stuff! Indeed there is only 1 question even tangentally related to elves in here, this is by design.

@magaramach, @brynnmclean and @apojiiislands asked to be tagged in this! Answers under the cut.

Q2. Who was Dora Baggins in relation to Bilbo Baggins? - Second cousin on his father's side Dora Baggins is a very elderly woman who was the daughter of Bilbo’s father’s brother. She likes writing people a lot of unsolicited advice! THIS WAS WRONG AND SAID FIRST COUSIN FOR SO LONG AND I AM DEEPLY SORRY FOR IT.

Q3. How many pairs of biological twins are mentioned in the whole of Arda's timeline and what races do they belong too? - 2 for men, 1 for elves and 3 for half-elves Fastred and Folcred, Haleth and Haldar (men) Amrod and Amras (elves) Elured and Elurin, Elrond and Elros, Elladan and Elrohir (half-elves) Now, admittedly Elladan and Elrohir are never actually described as twins. However they appear completely identical and have the same birth date, so it is assumed.

Q4. Baldor is who the skeleton scratching at the door used to be. When Aragorn and co pass through the paths of the dead they find a skeleton clawing at a door to the mountain. It is finely dressed and described as mighty and was later essentially confirmed to be Baldor, the eldest son of King Brego of Rohan, also called Baldor the hapless, who foolishly wandered into the paths of the dead on, apparently, a dare. (the answer to this was originally Brego because of a foolish typo from me, many apologies!)

Q5. When was the Ondonóre Nómesseron Minaþurie written? - During Meneldil's reign. “Enquiry into the Place-names of Gondor” was a text written by settled numenoreans about their new kingdom during Meneldil’s reign, who was the first sole King of Gondor after both Anarion (his father) and Isildur had perished.

Q6. Farmer Maggot's particular friend was Tom Bombadil It is stated that Farmer Maggot sometimes peacefully passes through the Old Forest to go and meet Tom Bombadil, who very much enjoys his company. However! Those who answered Merry or Pippin still deserve excellent recognition, Farmer Maggot was indeed fond of Pippin and respected Merry greatly.

Q7. What was the office of the Steward originally created to do? - Keep the Tradition of Isildur When Romendacil I went to war in the east, he realised that if he died then the secret of the Tradition of Isildur would die with him. Hence he wrote it down in a sealed scoll and gave it to a trusted confidante, to be given to his heir if he should perish. This tradition was maintained by further kings and those trusted confidantes became the Stewards of Gondor. This, admittedly, is a more suggested progression than explicit, but it’s a Impossible evil quiz so :) Q8. What was the 'Tradition of Isildur'? - Remember where Elendil was buried. Elendil had been secretly entombed in Calenardhon, supposedly the midpoint between Gondor and Arnor. This was a hallowed space for only Kings at first, but in later years when the Stewards came to rule Gondor they also were permitted the secret. Cirion had the remains moved when Calenardhon was gifted to the Eotheod to eventually become a part of the Kingdom of Rohan.

Q9. At the time of Pelargir's founding, is the world flat or round? - Flat. Pelargir was founded as a ‘Faithful Numenorean’ haven on the river Anduin. Therefore it was built before Numenor’s destruction in the Akallabeth, the reason for which being that Eru turned the world from flat to round.

Q10. Which of these monarchs were indolent and had no interest in ruling? - King Atanatar I - King Narmacil I - Tar-Vanimelde King Atanatar I ruled during Gondor’s richest generation and seemed to believe that meant he didn’t need to put any work in. Narmacil I, his son, didn’t want to put any work in, but he at least assigned his nephew, Minalcar, as ‘Karma-Kundo’ or regent during his reign. So he at least did something to keep the country going. Tar-Vanimelde had no interest in ruling and allowed her husband to do most of the governence. This backfired when she died and he organised a coup against his son to hold power.

Q11. When looking back on the Ship-Kings of Gondor, King Tarannon Falastur began the invasion of Harad and expanded Gondor's borders, King Earnil-I finally took Umbar but died at sea shortly afterwards, King Ciryandil spent most of his reign trying to defend Umbar and died in it's seige and King Hyarmendacil defended Umbar against seiges for 35 years before making war upon all Harad and claiming Harondor as a province of Gondor, ending the line of the Ship Kings.

Q12. What happened during the reign of King Romendacil II? - I don't know! Nothing? Yes I know this is particularly evil of me but Romendacil II was originally called Minalcar, yes the same Minalcar who became REGENT of Gondor due to Narmacil’s indolent nature. Minalcar indeed did everything else listed as answers to this question, but none of them happened during his reign as king. Indeed, his reign was said to be peaceful and we have no real information on it, so technically saying we don’t know, and suggesting nothing happened, is actually the most correct answer :)

Q13. Who succeeded Tar-Telperien of Numenor? - Her nephew, Minastir Tar-Telperien was a lesbian Queen of Numenor who never married and never wanted too and did an excellent job and I love her. Her nephew built a tower to mope in about how much he wanted to be an elf. They are not the same. Absolutely terrified about what Amazon could do to her.

Q14. Whilst his brethren, the nazgul, were attacking the Prancing Pony, The Witch-King was waiting in the Barrow Downs and probably had a really nice time. Not much to this! Witch King was chilling with the Barrow Wights.

Q15. Which of these characters are described as 'beautiful' at least once in the Lord of the Rings? - Galadriel, Denethor, Eowyn, Frodo, Elanor, Celeborn, Boromir Yes, Arwen is never described as beautiful, but Denethor is :)

Q16. We all love Boromir II, select the similarities he and Boromir I did NOT share. - Renowned relationship with the Rohirrim. - Destroyed the Bridge of Osgiliath - Feared by the Witch King - Retook Ithilien. - Had a brother. In case you’re wondering, yes, I love both Boromirs. But this question is a fun highlight of how many similarities Boromir II has with his namesake. These are the only things they didn’t both do. Although! Boromir I’s son was Cirion who allied with the Eotheod and created Rohan in the first place, the Uruk-Hai destroyed the Bridge of Osgiliath in Boromir I’s lifetime, Boromir II was PROBABLY feared by the witch-king we just don’t know, Boromir II held Ithilien and Boromir I had two elder sisters like Denethor II did.

Q17. Hey, did you know that, from Boromir I's war with the Uruk-Hai of the Morgul Vale, Gondor didn't know peace until Sauron's death on the 25th of March, 3019? Hah hah! How gut wrenching is that? About how long do you think it has been since Gondor knew peace then? Hey wait does that mean Boromir I's valiant victory that came at a personal sacrifice was the beginning of Gondor's wars and then Boromir II's valiant sacrifice was the end- oh god... oh fuck - 550 years To everyone who answered the crossed out answer,,, you’re correct in my heart. You get bonus points. Also hey! What the fuck :)

Q18. Who was Borondir? - The rider sent to find Eorl who made it to him after starving himself for two days but who then rode to the Celebrant with Eorl anyway and died in that battle. Literally couldn’t love this fellow more. Big Hirgon energy. A hero of Gondor for time immemorial.

Q19. The Ruling Stewards, from first to last (with their numbers typed as so Turin-I Hurin-II etc), were as follows; Mardil ; Eradan ; Herion ; Belegorn ; Hurin-I ; Turin-I ; Hador ; Barahir ; Dior ; Denethor-I ; Boromir-I ; Cirion ; Hallas ; Hurin-II ; Belecthor-I ; Orodreth ; Ecthelion-I ; Egalmoth ; Beren ; Beregond ; Belecthor-II ; Thorondir ; Turin-II ; Turgon ; Ecthelion-II ; Denethor-II ; and for like two seconds ; Faramir ; Alrighty, we had a bit of a fight in my discord about this but eventually I did relent in agreement that Faramir IS... very briefly... legally considered a RULING Steward. Ruling Stewards being Stewards that ruled a Kingless Gondor. But! With Aragorn RIGHT THERE is just seemed very redundant. Still! I’ll allow the pedant to win out, ten minutes is still a Ruling Steward. ALSO! I decided that having an extra box for the ‘voronwe’ part of mardil voronwe was just mean as it set everyone’s answers off kilter, so I removed that. ALSO for all of those calling me a bastard for adding this question, @illegalstargender was the one who requested it! I wasn’t going too!

Q20. The Stewards, despite ruling through very tumultuous and violent periods, were often known for boring things (because they simply ruled better than the Kings did, I said what I said) But what boring thing was Steward Turin I remembered for? - Being the only monarch of Gondor that married twice This skeezy bastard really did marry a second time during his OLD age just to father a son. I can only imagine what a dreadful cultural and social effect this had on this prude country. It’s so unnecessary! He had daughters, many of them! One of them certainly had a son before he did. He was just being a controlling arse, down with Turin I!!!!

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anghraine · 5 years

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Any thoughts on Mardil Voronwe, Gondor's first Ruling Steward?

I love him!

He seems to have been kind of the ideal personification of the Stewardship itself. It would have been so easy for him to make a power grab—he seems to have had influence over Eärnil, given that he was able to restrain him for some period of time (when he could have just let him go and taken power).

And even when he did take power, it was through the legitimate requirements of the Stewardship—he knew better than to make a divisive claim. I imagine him as steady, principled, thoughtful, and loyal, someone who would always put the interests of Gondor’s people above his or his family’s aggrandizement. Truly Mardil the Faithful! :)

#anon replies #respuestas #mardil voronwë #legendarium blogging #lord of the rings #húrinionath #de las bóvedas #Anonymous

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laurelsblue · 5 years

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Second part of the Stewards’ wives series.

Lomelindë - wife of Pelendur and mother of Vorondil.

Orchaleth - wife of Vorondil and mother of Mardil Voronwe. Ironically actually only average height despite her tall parents and often tried to compensate for that fact.

Arinyien - wife of Mardil Voronwe and mother of Adanel (who married Galador of Dol Amroth) and Eradan.

#legendarium ladies april #unreasonably attached to my ocs #fun with dollmakers #vaguely silmarillion related #gondorian ladies are great

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askmiddlearth · 10 years

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The Best and Worst Stewards of Gondor

Compared to the kings, Tolkien doesn't tell us as much about the stewards of Gondor. I'd say they overall did a positive job, but since it would take to long to talk about all 26 of them, here are what I think were the best (and worst) ruling stewards:

THE BEST STEWARDS:

Mardil Voronwe (ruled 2050-2080) The first ruling steward, Mardil was awesome in a couple of ways. First of all, he set a very noble precedent for the ruling stewards - because nobody ever knew what exactly happened to Earnur (the last king), Mardil swore to rule "until the King's return", and this oath was repeated by each steward after him. He was a capable ruler on his own, and earned the name "Voronwe", which meant "steadfast."

Boromir I (ruled 2477-2489) Boromir I ruled after Denethor I, and inherited a Gondor that was at war with the renewed strength of Minas Morgul, and had recently lost Osgiliath and Ithilien. He led Gondor's armies into several battles, and managed to push the orcs back out of Ithilien (though the region remained depopulated), and broke the stone bridge of Osgiliath as a defense against future attacks. Through his military career Boromir I came to be feared even by the Witch King, though he did suffer from a morgul wound that significantly shortened his life.

Cirion (ruled 2489-2549) The son of Boromir I, Cirion also faced significant military threats against Gondor. While the orcs of Mordor had been driven back, Gondor was now under threat from the Balchoth of Rhovanion. Unable to fight off the invaders alone, Cirion requested help from the Eotheod. His call was answered by their king, Eorl. After fighting off the Balchoth together, Cirion offered Eorl the land of Calenardhon (now known as Rohan.) The two then swore an oath of alliance and friendship between Gondor and Rohan that proved to be very important in the future.

THE WORST STEWARDS: (relatively - none of them were really actually bad, as far as I can tell)

Denethor I (ruled 2435-2477) Okay, so this is totally not Denethor I's fault, but it was during his reign that Sauron started regrowing his strength at Dol Guldur. Also during this time, an army of orcs and Uruk-hai attacked Gondor from Minas Morgul and took possession of Osgiliath and Ithilien. Again, not actually his fault, but on paper he doesn't look too great...

Egalmoth (ruled 2698-2743) Again, not really a "bad steward." But he was busy with Gondor's renewed war with the orcs that, when the king of Rohan asked for help fighting the Dunlendins, Egalmoth wasn't able to send any soldiers to help.

Beren (ruled 2743-2763) This is the steward responsible for handing control of Isengard over to Saruman. Though, at the time, this was a good decision - keeping a wizard at Isengard helped Gondor and Rohan defend against the hostile Dunlendings. Despite this, retrospect tells us that it was a bad idea to give Saruman so much power in the region.

SOURCES: LOTR Appendices, The Unfinished Tales ("Cirion and Eorl", "The Battles of the Fords of Isen"), The Histories of Middle Earth vol. 12 ("The Heirs of Elendil")

#raceofmenweek #gondor #rohan #cirion #mardil voronwe #boromir i #denethor i #men of middle earth #third age

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arofili · 3 years

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the line of elros ❖ stewards of gondor ❖ headcanon disclaimer

Pelendur was a lord of the House of Húrin and served as the Steward to the kings Ondoher and Eärnil II. He was a friend of Eärnil and sympathetic to his ambitions to achieve royalty for his descendants, though during Ondoher’s rules it was assumed that this would be possible only through marriage, perhaps of Eärnil’s son Eärnur to Ondoher’s daughter Fíriel. Before any such arrangement could be made, Fíriel was wed to Prince Arvedui of Arthedain, the last remnant of the once-noble realm of Arnor. Eärnur was relieved, for his interests lay in men, but Eärnil’s frustration only grew. When Gondor faced the double threat of attack by the Wainriders and Haradrim, Ondoher appointed Eärnil general of the southern army, for despite their political conflicts there was respect between them, and Eärnil was a great warrior. Ondoher ordered his younger son Faramir to remain in Minas Anor as regent, aided by Steward Pelendur, in case he and his other heirs should fall in battle. While Eärnil routed the Haradrim, Ondoher’s army faced a greater threat than they had anticipated, and the King, his elder son Artamir, and his nephew Minohtar were all slain. Worst of all was the discovery of Faramir’s demise, for he had refused to stay behind and rode to war with the Éothéod in disguise. Though Eärnil avenged their deaths and routed the Wainriders from Gondor, there was now no clear heir to the throne. Pelendur, deeply grieved by the loss of the King and his heirs, assumed his Stewardly responsibility as ruler of Gondor until a new King could be crowned. He had never expected this burden, and it wore on him; it was only through the support of his wife Meleth that he was able to endure while the Council of Gondor deliberated who would be their next leader. Eärnil, a descendant of King Telumehtar Umbardacil through his younger son Arcíryas, presented his claim with the confidence that he would swiftly be declared King, but he was met with an unexpected challenge in the form of Ondoher’s son-in-law, Prince Arvedui. As the husband of the last King’s daughter Fíriel, who under the old laws of Númenor would have inherited as Ruling Queen, Arvedui argued that she was the rightful ruler of Gondor. Since it had been many long centuries since the Dúnedain had been led by a woman, he claimed that he should become King of Gondor in her stead. Additionally, Arvedui emphasized his position as the Heir of Isildur, once a King of Gondor himself, and thus also the Heir of High King Elendil; his children would be heirs of Arnor and Gondor, reuniting the Two Kingdoms and fulfilling the prophecy of the seer Malbeth. But to the men of Gondor, Arthedain was a small kingdom and only a remnant of Arnor, never as glorious as their own realm. Furthermore, Pelendur had ever been a friend of Eärnil and spoke for him among the Council of Gondor. After a year of debate, they denied Arvedui’s claim and crowned Eärnil II King instead. Pelendur served as Eärnil’s Steward for the rest of his life, and upon his death, Eärnil chose his son Vorondil as the next Steward, making the position hereditary in honor of his friend’s loyalty. Vorondil was renowned as a hunter for his pursuit of the Kine of Araw near the far-off shores of the Sea of Rhûn where he had traveled in his youth. From one of these great, wild white oxen, he fashioned a great horn bound with silver and engraved with ancient characters. This horn passed from Vorondil to his heir, Mardil, and from him to his, and so forth from eldest son to eldest son through many generations, until it met its end with Boromir son of Denethor II. The horn was part of a matched pair, the other of which was given to his wife Anwariel as a courting gift, though this was lost long before Boromir’s time.

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lesbiansforboromir · 3 years

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Am I the only person in Eru's Green Arda who kind of loves to head canon that Voronwe is the surname of the entire Steward family in Gondor, i.e. Ecthelion Voronwe, Denethor Voronwe, Boromir Voronwe, Faramir Voronwe, Eowyn Forthere-Voronwe, Elboron Voronwe, Barahir Voronwe, etc?

I’m afraid you might be! Many apologies jlakslk Gondor doesn’t have the concept of surnames in general, which I quite like as a cultural point. You aren’t ‘of the so and so family’ you are ‘of the stewards’ or ‘of the princes of Dol Amroth’ or ‘of the lords of lebennin’ and I think that translates into the rest of Gondor. People are placed into their families of labour socially, so you are known for your work. (’of the water works, of the guard, of the miners etc etc’) Which I also think works well into my ideas of Gondor being a very... in both good and bad ways, a country built on merits to some extent. That comes with expectations for people to be- I HAVE GONE OFF COURSE-

Apart from the no surnames thing- Voronwe was an important epithet for Mardil specifically, it’s characterful and purposeful, the first ever Ruling Steward, a man who did not crumble under the sudden new weight of responsibilities, duties and completely unknown issues surrounding such a position. It could have all come crashing down if not for him. He was ‘steadfast’ in his role and his duty to Gondor’s people and he managed to navigate every necessary legal and traditional point to ensure that this new system of government was workable within Gondor’s already existing management. So I think it’s important that, in people’s memory, Mardil remains specifically ‘the steadfast’.

And whilst I think that adding ‘voronwe’ onto the end of a stewards name in casual conversation is a not uncommon compliment? Like after a particular political victory, or perhaps managing a complex situation really elegantly, someone might exclaim ‘Denethor Voronwe! A thousand thanks for your victory!’ (linking a steward to Mardil is I would say some of the highest praise a Steward can garner) It wouldn’t be a regular casual mundane ‘surname’ as it were. Though I think other Stewards got their own epithets! Beregond must have had one, and Turin II too. Which I suppose is the third reason I don’t share the concept. It would all become very complex as you’re adding on epithets to surnames ‘Boromir II Voronwe Hurinion’, let elves collect names like bottlecaps, Atani stick with one + a descriptor.

#erran vs tolkien #gondor #this was useful though actually and reminded me I need to write up that vague concept of #Gondor's relationship with the concept of labour and how it effects disabled gondorians #UGH so much to WRITE #chats #blackcur-rants

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lesbiansforboromir · 5 years

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Captain-General what? High-Warden who?

A serious meta post? You betcha

Boromir is, apparently, both the ‘Captain-General’ of Minas Tirith and also the ‘High-Warden of the White Tower’.

The Captain-General sounds easy enough to understand, he held command over Minas Tirith’s armies as both a Commander and Tactician. That makes sense. A position known within the common army as the head of their Military.

However ‘High-Warden of the White Tower’ sounds way more lofty, and yet also just like another way to say ‘Captain-General’ at the same time. Why have both?

I have a suggestion! You see, originally, during the King’s rule of Gondor the Stewards were required to not go to war by law. They had to remain behind in order to hold the throne if the King were to die. Kings in Middle Earth are highly fantastical in that they not only go to war, they also lead battles and often charge in the Vanguard, so this was a real and definite worry. We’ll chalk it up to the Kings of Gondor wanting to ensure the people believed them just as devoted to Gondor’s defense and prosperity as the average soldier. The image of a valiant and bold warrior King is a very popular one in Middle Earth and obviously the ideal to strive for.

So, taking all this into account, poor old Mardil, the first Reigning Steward, had a problem. The people of Gondor would still expect their Rulers to go to war with them, it was a well established tradition and tactic, baked into the Army itself. But, by a King’s decree, Mardil could not go to war. What was poor Mardil to do?

Well Mardil was also known as Voronwe, the Steadfast, apparently ruling Gondor ‘with a steady hand’ and I choose to interpret that as he was good at making everything work. So, in answer to this issue, Mardil created the position of ‘High-Warden of the White Tower’. This would be a personification of the Steward’s dedication, bearing all the military-specific powers a King or Steward would hold in times of war, and filled by someone both very close to him and very important in general, his heir. This action would bear a similar sense of risk and sacrifice as a King going to war, but it wouldn’t infringe upon a direct royal edict.

This is actually canonically backed up, since we always hear of Stewards sending their eldest sons as heads of the Army. Like Denethor I sent Boromir I to retake Ithilien, or Beren sending Beregond to defeat the Corsairs. Admittedly Denethor I and Beren were both very old men at the time, they likely couldn’t have gone even if they wanted too, but still.

Now it’s also possible and even probably that at various points later on this law was actually broken, one of those things that only some people remembered as a law, and no one wanted to enforce at the time. An archaic law that meant little these days. Beregond was probably the first, since he ‘brought aid to King Folcwine’ when the orcs of the white mountains attacked Rohan. It doesn’t necessarily mean he did so personally, but later Turin II certainly went to war as the Steward with the Rohirrim so I’d say Beregond started the trend.

I would also say Denethor II did some warring during his Stewardship. He had his sons so late in life and Boromir II was only six when Denethor took the Steward’s sceptre. This might not have been an issue but Gondor was at war and Denethor, who would have held the High-Warden title until his father died, probably just kept going until Boromir could take his place.

Still this was a risky ploy, and I would say Boromir went to war very young and took up the High-Warden position young too. Breaking a King’s Law that makes no sense to enforce is fine when you have no political enemies, but someone could have held it over Denethor’s head which made it a loop hole to be closed as soon as possible.

Anyway in conclusion I just think this is kinda neat and I love pretending Tolkien knew what he was doing at all times.

#boromir #tolkien #tolkien meta #denethor #stewards #lotr #lord of the rings #meta #text post #erran vs tolkien

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