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mayhasopinions · 6 months
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what in the lgbt even was this scene (see tags for discussion)
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bubbles-is-hardcore · 6 months
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Okay y’all I’ve seen multiple posts now about how “dumb” it is that Sylki has had limited to no romantic/soft moments and they’ve only been fighting this season while Lokius has had a ton of nice romantic moments and like??? Yeah??? It’s almost like if a ship is going to be endgame or canon it would make sense to build up a positive relationship.
I saw one post say it was stupid that Lokius has gotten so much attention over Sylki when “we all know it’s not going to happen”. Why do we all know it’s not going to happen? Because it’s a mainstream character in a big franchise in a gay ship? Even though that character has been confirmed bi over and over again in the source material and beyond? That’s exactly the problem.
I just think it’s very telling that the straight ship’s own shippers acknowledge that there is no real romance between them this season and they are in two completely different places in terms of character development, goals, needs, etc, and still shit on the gay ship and complain that their relationship is being focused on too much by the show because “it’s not going to happen”.
It’s a really bad case of queerbaiting and they are mad at the wrong people. The fans of Lokius aren’t what’s making Sylki bad. The studio knows Sylki was less popular after last season and leaned into Loki and Mobius. The fact that they won’t follow through is entirely on the studio, not Lokius shippers.
Now all of this to say, I’m VERY skeptical of Lokius going any sort of cannon. I honestly think the best we can hope for is the tried and true ol’ “ambiguous ending” That so many studios go for in this situation. I got my clown shoes on and I’m honking my nose but it is what it is.
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dreamcatcheresss · 4 months
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The Gods suffer - Thoughts about Record of Ragnarok and Loki
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Thank you @hanaiikiki for uploading this picture. It made me want to share some thoughts.
Looks like he is used to rejection and still can't accept it. He wants to make it work finally, because love has never worked out for him before. It's like he hopes that finding love is the only way for him to feel accepted and wanted. He wants to have someone who he can be himself with. Apparently he is too scared to let his guard down around his friends and it's a general problem for the Gods.
Loki must carry a lot sadness and trauma, that he closed his heart so much. He has friends and still feels lonely, because he can't allow himself to open up to them. He doesn't trust even those who he loves. That's totally unhealthy. Finding love - ONE PERSON - who understands and accepts him must be his only hope to be happy and to heal his heart. He can't count on his friends, because they all have the same problem.
That's how I understand his obsession with Brunhilde. He doesn't want to give up, because it would feel like giving up on love and hope in general.
The Gods suffer. Look at Ares. At least he cried openly. But no one could go to him and simply hug and comfort him. Would it be weakness to do so? Would it put shame on Ares to treat him like someone weak? Maybe both is the case. But the fact is, that Loki really looked like he wanted to hold him tight and show some emotions... and couldn't. He couldn't show some love for his friend. Hermes couldn't comfort his brother. Zeus couldn't. Even after losing two beloved brothers and his adoptive son he couldn't mourn. We didn't see him allowing himself to be sad even in private.
The Gods have some huge problems in their society and we can it compare to toxic masculinity or the facade of aristocrats in our reality. Poor Loki wants to find a way to deal with it. It's no surprise that you can go crazy from that. He is under pressure and there is no escape. No, he has to deal with it by himself, just like the others. And judging from mythology he can do his best and society still doesn't accept him. So playing the role of the clown is the best way to get away with being the outsider. He tries to survive, even if he too proud to admit it to himself.
I remember what Poseidon said about what it means to be a God... I must say that it is a very sad existence. Sasaki was right about that. Sorry, I repeat a lot for sure. This is just my interpretation, also based on my own life experiences.
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lokisprettygirl · 1 year
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Under his influence (Post Avengers! Loki x female reader)
Read chapter 8 here // Series Masterlist
Chapter 9
Summary : A misunderstanding seperates you two.
Warning: mention of psychological torture, angst, insecurities, self deprecating behaviour
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To say that Loki was angry would have been an understatement, he was livid and he really would have hurt someone if he was allowed to do that. Unfortunately he no longer had an autonomy here, he was just a puppet, at first for Odin, then for Thanos and now these clowns in suits.
Everytime he thought of you it only made him want to cry. What you must be thinking of him? You must despise him, he had no clue about all of this but you didn't know that. Of Course he was getting punished for a mistake he didn't even make, the one person who seemed to actually care about him would probably never want to see him again either after this.
"Loki" He heard Thor knocking on the door, he went back to his chamber after press conference and when the news broke, he couldn't just stay out there with people who seemed so shallow, if they really wanted to leak the story, why didn't they just invite you here to tell the truth? Why did they just replace you like that?
He opened the door and Thor was looking at him with a look of pity in his eyes.
"I need to call her Thor, she must be waiting to hear from me, i desperately need to connect with her" he mumbled as fast as he could but his voice cracked.
"Just calm down Loki"
"Calm down? Calm down? I can not stay calm when I know she must be hurting there, why did you tell Stark about her?" Thor crossed his arms and he had a look of confusion on his face.
"I told him? I just gave him a briefing, why did you open your big mouth and share everything with that Melisaa lady?" He retorted and Loki realised what he had done, he told her every little thing you had done that day.
"I just..she asked me and I wanted to talk about her. I miss her around me, I miss seeing her, I miss talking to her" his eyes teared up and Thor sighed,
"You really do fancy her don't you"
Loki didn't respond this time, Thor went back to Stark and asked him to allow Loki that one phone call he had promised, so Stark, his publicist Dalia and other members from his team called Loki in the conference room. As soon as Loki walked in he stormed towards Tony which made him take several steps to the back.
"Look.. let me just clear one thing up okay?" Tony started speaking so Loki crossed his arms together. He actually didn't have an answer for him so he looked at Dalia, their publicists, she smiled at Loki but he didn't return it.
"I know you think we are evil for doing this but we did get in touch with y/n, that girl you were staying with all this time" his eyes flickered at the mention of your name.
"What did she say? Can I talk to her?"
"Listen to me Loki, she clearly wants to stay away from this drama, she said that she don't feel comfortable with this thing getting out in the world as she's just a normal girl and this would affect her life greatly, she refused to come here, we invited her only first, Melisaa was just the plan b" Tony looked at her as she pulled out a blatant lie, there's no way they reached out to that girl in Minnesota, he didn't even know this girl, all Dalia told him was that y/n wasn't someone who would look good with someone like Loki.
Loki's eyes welled up as he heard that. Did you really not want to get in touch with him? You did refuse to come here with him, it has been only two months but those two months meant everything to him.
"I like to believe that these past two months has been as nice for you as they have been for me"
Your words echoed in his head and they only made him feel more broken.
"I know you don't want to hear this but she said that she wouldn't want to associate herself with someone like you so publicly, your reputation isn't the best, in fact the way she was talking to me it seemed as if she didn't want to stay in touch with you at all" the words pierced his heart. You would never say something like that about him. Right?
"I still need her information, give me her phone number" he mumbled so she placed a slip on the table. He walked towards it and grabbed it quickly, then he stormed out of there. He did not want to believe this, did you really not want to connect with him? His heart felt heavy and burdened by the memories he had made with you.
He sat down on his bed and used the telephone in the room to dial the number, the number was turned off, he kept hearing the same message over and over again. He just wanted to hear it from you once, he wanted to be told that you were done with him too just like everyone else. Silent tears cascaded down his cheeks as he kept trying to connect with you but his attempts were futile, he felt shattered.
All he wanted to do was go back to that apartment of yours and cuddle you on that bed but perhaps you didn't want that anymore.
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You didn't know how much you had cried that day, he hadn't called you and now they were using the story so people would like him, why didn't he call you? Did he not want to talk to you at all? Were you this easy to discard and replace? Of Course you were, that's what had happened to you before so why did you think you would become an exception for a god like him? It indeed felt like a breakup that you never saw coming, you weren't even able to fall asleep because the memories kept you up at night, all you wanted to do was snuggle him and kiss him.
You wanted the time to turn back and bring him back to you but did he even want that anymore?
You couldn't have expected a powerful man like him agreeing to stay hidden in your apartment forever especially with someone like you but he was your friend right then why did he abandon you like that?
"How do you know I have not done just that, maybe all of this is just an act to fool you"
Maybe you were just a fool he played with.
Next day as you stepped out of your apartment you saw Mrs Geller and you could tell she was concerned about you.
"Are you alright my dear?" She asked you so you looked at her confused "Come have a cup of tea with me"
"I have to work" you answered her, so she walked towards you and grabbed your hand to take you to her apartment. Every Time someone showed a bit of concern for you, your eyes welled up on their own,
"That day i thought you were over this breakup but you aren't doing well are you?" She asked you as she made you sit down on her couch and that's when you broke down. You couldn't even tell anyone about him, you couldn't share your pain and keeping it all in only made it worse.
"I am not..I'm not okay" you placed your head between your palms as you started to sob, you weren't eating and you weren't taking care of yourself at all, it was starting to show.
"He was the sweetest man I had ever known and you know before.. before I met him i always thought that I still had time, I used to think that okayyyy I'm not that old I still have hope, i always wanted someone like him and for a moment i did but now he's gone and that hope is gone too because I know I'll never ever find anyone like him again because there's no one else exactly like him, it's just impossible" her eyes teared up as you cried furiously so she laid you down on the couch with your head resting on her lap and she caressed your head until you fell asleep.
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Loki woke up with the sound of loud banging noises on his door, he was having a dream about you, a sweet dream where he saw himself sitting on that ugly sofa of yours with you on his lap, you were giggling about something he had said to you and then you told him how cute he was as you kissed his forehead. He wanted to stay in that dream but he had to wake up sometime, he got up and showered because he had a training session with the Captain and Romanoff, he despised his life here, he truly did.
It's been a few days since that press conference and they were preparing him to fight like an Avenger. Thor was on Asgard for political purposes and he wasn't wanted there so he had no choice but to stay here. Every night when he went back to his room after the long day he always held that slip in his hands and dialed your number but it always told him the same thing, the number always was switched off or perhaps you changed it. He wanted to stop bothering you like this but he missed you plenty, he just wanted to hear your voice once and he would have killed for a chance to hold you just once.
"Loki are you listening? What are you wearing for the party? Our clothes need to match for the pictures" he heard Melissa's voice and it only irked him further, she wasn't at fault here, she was probably doing what she has been told to do but he didn't feel anything for her even though she had tried her best to seduce him, maybe it was because she was trying so hard, she was trying to fuck him while you wanted to be his friend, you cared about him , you didn't just want to have sex with him and be done with him after that, you wanted more the same way he did but then what changed? What made you take a step back?
At the party she clicked several pictures with him, it was an act on his part but he had no choice in the matter, people of midgard were starting to like him and this fake couple they had created.
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You sat down on the sofa after work and opened the Instagram app to stalk the Melissa chick again. She had posted a new photo with him with some cheesy caption, your heart clenched as you looked at his face. He had a smile on his face but why did his eyes seem so sad? That's not how you remembered them, whenever he was genuinely happy his eyes always became so sparkly and bright, they reminded you of the sun rising first thing in the morning. Maybe you were just romanticizing him, you knew this was not healthy for you but you couldn't stop doing this as well. That should have been you with him. Why wasn't that you?
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"Oh my godd I'm so drunk" he looked at Melissa as she sat down next to him, she was inebriated he could tell.
"Do you want me to walk you to your room?" He asked her politely, he didn't really like her but his mother always taught him to respect ladies so he never really made it clear that he didn't like her, she was just doing her job.
He walked her to the room and laid her down on the bed, he was about to leave but she grabbed his tie and pulled him closer to her.
"Loo stay with me" she mumbled and the shortened name was upsetting for him, it reminded him of you only.
"Please don't address me with that name" he told her as he tried to pull himself away as gently as he could, he didn't want to hurt her.
"Okay Loki.. is that fine?" She raised her voice and he was shocked by her tone "Just stay the night, come on..be a man, aren't you supposed to be a god? How come you don't want thisss?" She mumbled as she tried to kiss him so he pushed her away a little harshly this time to get out of her clutches.
"Do not behave so disrespectfully, you hear me? This is all just a farce and I need you to remember that" he walked out of her room as quickly as he could before this would get uglier than this, he didn't want to go back to his room so he took the elevator to the roof and sat down on the ledge.
It's been a month since he had seen you last, they say that time is the best remedy for such emotional wounds but then how come it was only getting harder and harder for him to forget you?
He wasn't able to let go of those memories he had made with you, you had him enchanted that very first day, he felt a sense of belonging with you, there was a strong emotional connection between you two and you have been hurt before so badly then why did you allow all of that to go to waste? How come you didn't want to explore the depth of this relationship between you two? He waved his fingers and a bottle of beer appeared in his hand that he had stolen from the several parties he had attended in the past few days.
He remembered how excited you used to get whenever he'd do one of these magicky things as you liked to call it.
A smile appeared on his face as he thought about you, he closed his eyes and just pictured himself with you in that tiny little apartment. The bliss didn't last for long because he heard the thunder roaring above him and then Thor was there.
"Welcome back" he mumbled as Thor sat down next to him.
"Aren't you supposed to be down there at the celebration?"
"I am" Loki answered as he chugged on his drink. He could feel his brother's gaze on him so he conjured another pint and gave it to him
"How's mother?"
"She misses you" he chuckled as Thor said that, it just seemed unbelievable at times. Did they even care when he was supposedly dead for a year? Did they even mourn him properly before they moved on and pretended as if he never existed?
"There's something I wanted to tell you" Thor spoke so Loki looked at him curiously,
"Go on"
"I had a conversation with Heimdall before my arrival, that lady of yours. .he said that she always seems miserable" Loki's eyes widened as Thor said that.
"What?"
"Loki that day before the press conference Stark said to me that he didn't think she'd fit into your new life. When you told me that she didn't want to talk to you I thought perhaps she wasn't ready for this but heimdall said she has been miserable without you, she keeps crying"
Loki stood up suddenly as he heard that.
"But I have been trying to connect with her and she just–" his eyes flickered with realization "What if that's not even her information that they gave me? What if they never communicated with her?" His eyes teared up as he thought about the possibility. What if you thought he was the one who didn't want to do anything with you?
"Norns I need to see her now" he stood up and his hand combed through his hair. Why didn't he just go see you in the first place?
"Loki you can't, we can't go there" Thor intervened.
"I can, I can teleport without the tesseract"
"No hold on Loki that would kill you, Minnesota is far from here"
"I have to .. Thor i have to go see her, I'd never be able to live with myself if I continue to hurt her like this" his eyes welled up so Thor sighed and stood up as well.
"But what if they weren't lying, what if she doesn't want to do anything with you?" That was definitely a possibility, a possibility that would continue to break his heart forever but he had to take that risk. He can't live his whole life this way.
"Well then maybe I just need to hear it from her. I promised her that I'd get back to her" his voice trembled as he spoke. Thor knew the moment he met you that you cared about him, you genuinely did and maybe Loki needed this person in his life more than anything, their brotherly relationship has soured because of everything that has happened amongst them but maybe this lady can bring back his older self, he seemed to be the happiest whenever he talked about you.
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It was 2 am at night and somehow you had managed to drift into sleep but then your phone started to ring and it was Mrs Geller so you picked it up.
"Hello Mrs Geller, is everything alright?" You asked her as you felt concerned, she never called this late at nights.
"Oh dear I'm sorry to bother you but I think that guy you broke up with is downstairs, I think he buzzed the wrong number" you sat up immediately as she he said that.
"Wait a second..what?" You turned on the lights, got off the bed and started to pace back n forth in nervousness
"That man.. Mark Johnson..he's downstairs, should I buzz him in?"
You almost dropped the phone from your hand as she mentioned his name, he must have told her the name, that means he was Loki. Oh god Loki was there.
"Ummm yeah ..bring him in.. ummm I'm sorry Mrs Geller, he probably forgot the apartment number "
You apologized and she hung up the phone after she told you that it wasn't an issue. Your heart was beating so fast you feared it would burst out of your chest and explode into several pieces.
You quickly walked towards the mirror but it was a lost cause, you looked awful and there was no fixing it.
As you heard the knock on the door you took a deep breath and opened it. There he was, as pretty as you remembered him to be. He smiled as he looked at you but his eyes were teary. You looked at Mrs Geller and she seemed shocked because this wasn't Mark Johnson, this was Loki in all his loki glory, even though he was in a fancy midgardian suit, everyone knew him by face at this point.
"I promise I'll explain tomorrow" you said to her and he turned around to smile at her. Finally he had come face to face with the famous Mrs. Geller.
"Oh dear ..alright, have a good night..both of you" she exclaimed awkwardly and she shut her door. Before anyone else would see him you pulled him inside and closed the door, the relief he felt in the moment was indescribable. He has missed this place and more than that he has missed you.
"So ummm how are you Loki?" You asked and he smiled. He could sense that you were cross with him but that didn't stop you from asking about his well being.
"I have been better, especially when I was here, I was so much better" you snickered as he said that. Yeah right, that's why he never contacted you again.
"Loki, really what are you doing? I am surprised you remember me still" You mumbled as you walked past him and moved to the kitchen to grab a glass of water.
"I am hurt by the notion, I could never forget you princess" he answered you so you glared at him.
"Yeah? Is that why you replaced me with Gorgeous gorgeous Melissa?" Your eyes welled up and so did his.
"That wasn't my decision, I didn't even know of that" his voice sounded so meek and sad that it made you wonder. Oh god what if he didn't know? What if they fooled him?
"Okay umm then why didn't you call?" As soon as you asked him that he just knew that they never contacted you, your anger seemed valid because he was hurt too by your decision of not wanting to do anything with him, you must have thought the same. He took out the slip they had given him from his pocket and placed it down on the kitchen counter so you looked at it, it was a phone number but you didn't recognise it.
"I am assuming that's not yours?" He asked you so you shook your head. He smiled before he turned around and walked towards the sofa to sit down, his knees felt weak, he was hurting you unknowingly all this time and he had no clue.
"I waited for your call Loki and it never came" you mumbled softly, he could hear the pain in your voice and it hurt him to the core. He never wanted to drive you away like this, he never wanted to fuck this precious relationship he shared with you, he just hoped that you'd still want him in your life, that you'd still want to be his friend.
"They said to me that they had asked you to be there with me and you refused to be part of that, you didn't want to get yourself involved and I knew how you felt about this and your family and I just thought you–" you looked at him shocked as he said that. They lied to him, he didn't lie to you, they played you both simultaneously.
"I know i said it was too much at the moment Loki but I never wanted to lose you, you knew what your friendship meant to me"
"I know.. I know darling..i just ..i really wanted to connect with you and hear it from you but that number..that never worked" he sniffled so you sat down next to him and held his hand in yours to gave him a comforting squeeze.
"I just thought you had moved on, and it hurt.. so bad because –" before you could even finish your sentence he went down on his knees in front of you, he grabbed both of your hands in his then he placed his head down on your lap, the sight alone made you want to curl up to him. He was being hurt too all this time.
"Loo" you mumbled softly as you leaned down to kiss his head, he smelled as good as you remembered, whenever the bed started to lose his scent you sprinkled some of that perfume he had given you just to feel him around you and now that he was actually there it felt surreal, it felt like a dream.
"Come here ..I'm sorry I didn't know" you opened your arms so he crawled up, you climbed on his lap and he immediately placed his head on your chest to embrace you as tightly as he could. He was crying and you were crying, it was a mess but at least you both had each other.
"I should have come before, I have hurt you so deeply and I don't know how I'd fix it, you saved my life and –" you pressed your finger on his lips to stop him from blaming himself, you were so angry with him before you had learned the truth because you thought he had abandoned you but now that you knew the anger had dissipated completely and all that you felt for him was the intense love, that never left, it was always there.
"We will fix it" You mumbled softly as you fingers caressed his cheeks "We just need to communicate because people aren't too nice out there okay?" he nodded as you said that, you wiped his tears with your thumb and you both had a moment where you just looked at each other because none of you could really believe that the other person was there and then he cupped your cheeks to kiss you, his lips planted on yours and he gave you soft kiss before it heated up, his tongue slipped into your mouth and he tasted so cold and so sweet like a frozen slurpee. God you had missed him so badly, this morning when you woke up you definitely didn't think you'd be getting to kiss him tonight.
As he pulled away the look on your face made him smile, you had your eyes closed, your breaths seemed erratic and your lips had swollen because of the kiss. He had missed you more than anything and he wasn't going to lose you again. He also noticed the fluctuation in your weight, you were still so beautiful but those bags under your eyes hinted at the lack of sleep and the sunken cheeks reminded him that you haven't been eating enough. Neither was he but his genes made it easier to hide.
"Did you umm eat dinner tonight..i guess I should say last night because it's almost 3 in the morning" you asked him and he smiled.
"I did not princess "
"Why?"
"Well nobody asked, " you shook your head at the answer.
"I have leftovers, I'll warm it up for you okay?" You mumbled softly
"I'll eat if you'd do the same"
"Okay" You pressed your lips on his to give him a peck but instead of pulling away quickly, you pecked on his lips like a bird again and again atleast five more times. He couldn't help but smile at the gesture, this was going to be his favorite thing from now on.
As you got off his lap, he grabbed your hand and followed you. He didn't want to leave your side because he felt afraid of the distance. You felt so hurt by him and he wasn't even at fault here, they had created this situation just to separate you two. And they were supposed to be the heroes. The good guys.
"Lo how did you get here?"
"Thor helped"
"Oh. Tell him I said thanks " you smiled so he pecked your lips before he leaned himself against the counter.
Just being here with you made him feel better. Everything seemed shinier and brighter at the moment.
"Ummm do you have to leave soon?" You asked him nervously, you knew he'd have to leave, you just didn't want him to go.
"He will pick me up in the morning, they can not know that I am here" he answered so you nodded.
"I know..but atleast we have the night" you smiled as you walked towards him, your arms wrapped around his waist as you hugged him then you placed your head down on his chest. After eating, he wanted to take a shower and you had kept the clothes he had left behind so you took it out for him. When he came out he was all drenched and wrapped in that towel that seemed too small for him, your face felt warm at the view so you turned around.
You fixed the bed and then you both jumped on it without wasting a second further, he was holding onto you so tight but it didn't suffocate you, infact you were finally able to breathe properly after so long. That's all you needed in your life now. Just him.
"Lo can I ask you something?"
"Mhhm"
"Why did you come today, what made you do so?"
"Well Thor had just returned from. Asgard and he told me that heimdall has informed him about you, and that you weren't happy without me" he told you honestly.
"I was miserable without you " you mumbled softly so he put his head up from your chest and kissed you "It's kind of eerie that I'm being watched all the time though" you giggled and it made him laugh too.
"I have missed you so much my princess, I never wanted to hurt you like this"
"I know that now, I'm sorry I assumed the worst, I just thought you were done with me" your eyes teared up so he turned you on your back and kissed you, your arms wrapped around his neck to pull him closer to you.
"Wait ..umm are you dating this Melissa woman?" You asked him and he looked at you confused before he understood what you meant.
"Not at all, it's all an act, nothing is real between us"
"So you're not her friend or anything?"
"You're my only friend sweetheart " you smiled and it made him smile too so he kissed you again.
"Well the act is working you're getting really popular on Tumblr" he chuckled as you said that
"What is that?"
"It's like Facebook, girls really want to have sex with you, some guys too"
He blushed as you said that
"Well I do not care for that" He only wanted to sex you up and do other things with. Just you.
He laid down on his side again with his head between the crook of your neck so you embraced him in a bear hug.
"You're so cutee"
"I have been dying to hear that..how cute I am though? On a parameter of let's say one to ten"
"You're like a thousand"
"I broke the parameter" he spoke excitedly.
"Definitely"
"You are absolutely adorable too my princess"
"I have missed you Loki"
"I'll come see you now princess, perhaps not everyday but I will be here" his words eased your worries but then the situation bothered you.
"What if they find out lo? I don't want them to hurt you"
"They can't hurt me Princess, I'm stronger of them all, I hope my silence won't be mistaken for my weakness, i committed a crime and for that I'm willing to atone but I won't let them harm you in anyway I promise " you kissed his forehead as he finished speaking. He was a victim too, you hoped someday he'd see it that way as well. Also they definitely didn't want you to be in his life and that worried you.
"People like me don't gel with people like them you know, they're above me"
"That makes no sense to me, they are all humans, same as you and my precious princess you're way above them all, your kindness is unmatched, you gave me a home when I had no one to call my own, you don't even know how much you mean to me" he mumbled softly, making you heart soar.
"I do now, I do lo and I'm so happy to have you in my life and that you came back"
His fingers caressed your back and they didn't stop until you had fallen asleep, sure he wanted to atone for the crimes he had committed but first and foremost he wanted to take care of the goddess that had chosen to believe in him when nobody did. He never wanted to hurt you again or destroy your faith in him.
In a few hours he knew he'd have to leave you again but he was determined that he wasn't going to lose you this time.
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nyxlaufeyson · 1 year
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I Think I love You
Oneshot Masterlist - Main Masterlist
POV: Second Person
Ship: Loki x Y/n
Type: Fluff
TW: None
Wordcount: ~1,200
Synopsis: You like Loki, your best friend, and have been avoiding him because you are scared of what will happen if you tell him. 
"Stop thinking about him! It's all you ever do." Your friend snaps her fingers to get you out of your daydream. 
You look at her with fake offense. "What? No I most certainly do not! Whose him anyway?" You ask, knowing exactly who she is talking about. 
She gives you her 'stop playing dumb' look. "Don't fuck with me Y/n. You know exactly who I'm talking about. Loki." She says, rolling her eyes.
Your cheeks glow a bright shade of red. "What! That's not true. I mean sure I think about Loki a lot but that's just because we are really good friends!" You try to defend yourself, but your friend is not having it. 
"Just tell him you like him already! It's so obvious he likes you too!" She says, animating her speech with her hands like you notice she always does when she's trying to make a point. 
You turn around to walk backwards so you can face her. "Absolutely not. We are just friends." you say, right before you bump into something and start to fall. 
Just as you were about to hit the ground, a strong pair of arms wrap around your waist and pull you up, bringing you face-to-face with... Loki! Your face goes back to being a blushing mess.
You've found it hard to be around Loki lately. You guys have been friends for as long as you can remember, but lately you've began to develop other... feelings for him. Before you knew it, you found yourself deeply in love with the dark prince. 
Every time you tried to talk to him, it came out in a jumbled mess. You also became extra clumsy, even though you were already pretty cloddish in the first place. 
You doubt that he would ever feel the same towards you, so you've been avoiding him in an attempt to not become the clown of the town. 
"Loki!" You squeak, and he smiles at you. "Y/n." He replies, and you attempt to turn back to your friend, but you find that his hands are still on your hips.
 This causes your face to become even redder, if that was possible, and Loki quickly removes his hands from your waist, thinking you had become uncomfortable. 
You turn to your friend, who looks around like she hasn't seen a thing. She pretends to spot Loki and quickly bows. "Well, Y/n, my prince, I forgot I had to meet my cousin for tea. Please excuse me." She says with curtsy, and scatters off. So much for her to get you out of this. 
"I should probably get going..." You start to walk off, when you Loki protests. "Y/n wait!" He grabs your hand and spins you back around to face him. 
You attempt to stop the blush forming on your cheeks, and manage to keep it to a lighter shade of pink. "Yes my prince?" You squeak, looking at the floor. 
"Have I done something wrong?" He asks, and you look up at him, confused. "What? No, of course not! What would make you think that?" You inquire, and now he is the one to look at you confused.
"You've obviously been avoiding me." You scrunch your eyebrows. "What? No I haven't!" You protest, but he gives you a 'I'm-not-stupid' look. 
"Ok look I've just been really busy and-" You start before getting interrupted. "You used to find time no matter what. What's been up with you lately Y/n? If I've done something wrong, please tell me what I can do to fix it." 
You sigh and look back at the ground. "Look... It's true, I've been avoiding you, I'm sorry. I swear you haven't done anything to upset me." You manage to get out, and Loki looks at you, hurt.
It breaks your heart to see that you hurt him. But you just can't tell him the whole truth. 
"Why?" Loki says softly, and tears brim both of your eyes. "I can't tell you Loki..." You say, but it doesn't get him to go away.
"We used to tell each other everything Y/n. We've been friends forever. I promise you can tell me anything. It won't change our relationship." He pleads, but you shake your head. If only he knew...
"Loki, you don't understand. It would ruin our friendship." You try to explain, but he shakes his head. "I promise you Y/n, it won't. I know what you're thinking, it's the same thing that I thought when I told you I was a frost giant. But, you didn't care, did you?" 
You chuckle, remembering the night he told you. He was a jumbled mess, completely scared that you would hate him for it. Of course, you could care less. Honestly, he made the best ice cube for hot, sticky days. 
You contemplate your choices in your head. If you told him, it risked your friendship. If you didn't tell him? Well, it also risked your friendship. 
"I-" You start, trying to sort out your words. Loki nods you on. "Loki... Loki I think I love you." You manage to spit out, surprising yourself that you could speak at all. 
Alarm bells sounded in your head. You start to panic, all the worst scenarios whizzing through your mind faster than your racehorse. What if he doesn't feel the same? What if he hates you for it? What if he tells the Allfather and you get thrown out of-
Your thoughts are interrupted by his lips meeting yours gently for a soft kiss. You look up at him in surprise, and find him smiling down at you. 
"Y/n L/n, do you know how long I've been waiting those words to leave that gorgeous mouth of yours?" He asks, chuckling. "What- What do you mean?" You ask, not processing all of what's happening.
"I thought I made it obvious, but I've always loved you Y/n. I'll always love you." He says, and you become a blushing mess. 
"So, do you just think you love me, or do you love me?" He asks slyly, and you playfully punch his chest. "Ouch!" He pretends you really hurt him and dramatically puts his hand on his forehead and falls to the ground. 
"Someone help! Lady Y/n is a thief and has injured me!" He fake cries, and you kneel to the ground laughing. "And how am I a thief?" You ask. "You stole something from me!" He exclaims, trying not to laugh. You raise your eyebrow at him. 
"What exactly have I stolen my prince?" You ask, trying not to burst out in laughter again. 
He looks you right in the eye and smiles. "My heart." You laugh and roll your eyes, lying down and letting your head rest against Loki's chest. You look up at the ceiling of the palace, studying the golden patterns. 
Loki's hands start to ruffle your hair, and a smile creeps up onto your face. "I love you Loki." You whisper, but Loki hears it. "I love me too." He replies, and you turn around and playfully slap him. "Ow! Okay Okay I love you!" He chuckles.
You gaze into each others eyes before you bring your head down to his for another kiss.
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lokiiied · 6 months
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thinking about loki’s 400 year long stare at mobius when he says, “it’s about who”
and then how he looks at sylvie and says, “i can rewrite the story” and how she has her own story - without romance. how she told him to “write his own story” and how he’s now canonically god of stories/storytelling.
thinking about how if they make lokius canon, marvel’s first major canonically queer character will have “rewritten” the cishet centred narrative that a major audience is expecting and just how powerful that would be.
because, as much as i like the bisexual “confirmation” scene - it was very easy to look over if you’re a homophobic viewer or don’t know what bisexuality is. because they never had either of them say the words, “i am bisexual”. that and how they “dealt” with loki’s genderfluidity.
but a major gay couple?? with the healthiest and most intimate relationship i’ve EVER seen marvel write?? that would not be so easy to ignore. especially when you go back and see that it’s been there the whole time. if you knew what to look for. which, is honestly probably the queer vision in a nutshell. because cishets will be blind to anything if they see a man + woman option. they need “undeniable” proof. marvel knows that & it’s why they’ve gotten away with this. why they’re still “safe” for most of their anti-queer audience.
but just imagine, if loki fixes all this, get his friends back, and shows mobius know how he really feels and basically says “this has been the love story the whole time” THAT will be his legacy. in all the glorious i’m a god and i’ve been bad and i’m good and i’m queer and i have inherent worth just like everybody else and i don’t give a fuck loki fashion. and i hope to gods we get to see that.
that’s the story i want to see.
because if they turn around and give us sylki — (and in doing so say here’s a perfect example of a healthy gay relationship but instead we’re gonna give you a toxic genderbent selfcest romance) regardless of the fact we know they are both queer — that is not what a homophobic audience is going to see. they’re going to be satisfied that they didn’t see two men kissing on their screen and call it another win. and marvel would be continuing to encourage the idea that us queer fans are delusional - despite the clearly intentional writing.
not to mention the exhausting, intrinsically homophobic harassment & clowning lokius shippers have endured would actually not be for nothing if lokius were canon and marvel were to decide btw queer people are real and so are their stories and so is their love.
if the show about the genderfluid bisexual god of stories can’t accomplish that after all this character development then. idk.
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tyrannuspitch · 8 days
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i realised recently that i should probably clarify this, since not everyone has been reading my blog like the morning paper for two years, so:
when i compare loki to a jester, clown, or similar, it's not an insult, not even an affectionate one. i'm not calling him stupid, ridiculous, bumbling, inept, or anything along those lines; and it's not in reference to the post-TDW characterisation people often describe very unaffectionately in those terms. i'm actually saying he IS clever, calculating, and extremely deliberate in his self-presentation, because i'm calling him a performer.
this comparison originally grew out of the idea that, in less acute crisis situations, pre-canon loki might have been a kind of "class clown" to his peer group. and what i mean by class clown, specifically, is: an outsider and misfit who tries to disguise and compensate for their poor social standing by entertaining others, whether through humour or other attention-seeking stunts/performances.
there are two major pieces of evidence for this being true of loki.
the first is in T1, on the bifrost, before jotunheim. this is a brief moment, but it's still a significant one. for the first time, we see loki stepping to the front of a group, smiling, preening, and asking for attention. he practically says, "watch this."
the second is in TDW, after thor springs loki from jail. this one is emotionally messy, because (IMO) loki is not just trying to get thor's attention or approval, he's probing him, trying to work out what he's feeling - but there is still a very needy undertone to it. loki's been alone for so long and he doesn't know if he has any relationship with thor to salvage; he needs to make thor laugh or smile or even roll his eyes affectionately just to know that he still can. and so, again, he is suddenly and surprisingly taking centre stage - literally walking backwards in front of thor to make himself impossible to ignore.
between these two moments, we see loki trying to soothe his insecurity through many kinds of performance - humour and magic and even deliberate displays of manipulation/deceit. i think it makes a lot of sense for his character if you assume this is a long-standing habit.
for one thing, the mind games we see from him are often just an inversion of this - acting deliberately sinister or dangerous in order to elicit a particular negative response in his audience. for another, it really resonates with the double meaning of "tricks" - loki is not just disparaged for "tricking people", as in dishonour and deceit, but for "doing tricks", like a travelling entertainer - like someone of much lower status than a prince.
(and then we get into the servant side of the jester comparison, which is very much its own can of worms.)
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Whatever happens on the Lokius front (because let's be honest, fellow clowns, this is Disney-hater-of-gays) can we please take a moment to appreciate how incredibly intricate and intriguing this story is? Loki's evolution as an individual, learning to trust and be trustworthy, learning to care and be cared for, finding his purpose (his friends, this warmth and connection he has found) and being willing to give it all up if it was for their own good.
This is the Loki we only got to see in glimpses throughout the MCU films. Those little breadcrumbs Hiddleston provided by the momentary frowns and briefly forlorn expressions when someone would tell Loki who or what he was, and for a split second it seemed like he wanted to prove them wrong, but instead absorbed their opinions and embraced them because it was the only role he was seen fit to fill.
Beyond character growth, the story is just phenomenal. By now, we have seen a LOT of time travel portrayal in movies and TV, but Loki actually seems to provide a fresh take on the concept. Some parts of it are tried and true, but other elements (like how do you time travel outside of time?) make it exciting and different. The way the story is actually being woven from multiple timelines, how Loki's time-slipping has created a scenario where we can actually see how the story we are seeing now is still being written. It's an incredible example of science fiction and fantasy.
Also, I'd like to take a minute to appreciate the retro-futurism aesthetic. I cannot be the only one tired of the sleek minimalist, functionalism approach to science fiction aesthetic. The 1970s/1980s browns and oranges, the clunky Jetsons-esque monitors, the throwback to Automats (the mystery as to why its green and only seems to stock keylime pie) It's a breath of fresh air!
I guess what I am trying to say is, don't let whatever disappointment you might have about the finale detract from the fact that Loki is actually a really excellent piece of fiction, and a step in the right direction in terms of developing compelling stories with fresh takes on familiar characters.
And as always, if I don't get explicitly stated Lokius, I would always settle for ambiguous/open-ended Lokius. We have two days clowns.
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nunsongici · 6 months
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"For you. For all of us."
I do believe "for you" was originally intended for both of them, or even all of them. But, (spoilers,) by the end of this, my delusions win.
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Although I'm a shameless lokius shipper who can and will talk about them even on a first date or a job interview, I do believe there was much more going on in this scene than just a showcasing of a tragic love story. And that's not saying that wouldn't be meaningful (these types of stories are the only reason I still read fjjffj stop that's actually very sad...)
For me the story is very similar to how Luca's story ended. Hear me out, please, I'm crazy but I might not even be that crazy by the end of this.
Loki's first season and Luca both came out in June of 2021 so I might just connect them subconsciously, but the way Enrico Casarosa (director of Luca) said the movie was open to all interpretations hasn't left my mind since then. That's a huge part of making art, leaving the interpretation up to the viewer and not giving clear instructions. This way you can actually showcase such layers and depth that are much more similar to real life emotions. Because the line is blurry, no matter what. No label is clear enough to say why you love the way you do and how you do it. It's complex and beautiful.
Loki and Mobius, their relationship is beautiful because it has this complexity. I think it's worth mentioning, that what I'm about to say is a subjective interpretation, because this is my idea of love.
They did develop that friendship that articles like to highlight and we love to clown.
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But seriously that platonic friendship is there and it doesn't cancel out the hints of romance at all. That's why I'm also okay with the sylki kiss. Although the first time watching it, for me it felt unnecessary, I can see the significance of it happening. It's an emotional moment, them failing to recognise what they want, their unawareness of the bigger picture, and the comedy of it all, him falling in love with himself. Also... we never really talk about why Sylvie accepts the kiss and her inner conflicts? I need to think a lot more about Sylvie and her wants... but that's not gonna happen in this post, because I'm already going on, anyways... Guess what, Mobius calls this out two times.
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"What a incredible seismic narcissist."
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"It’s a complicated relationship, okay? There’ s a lot unpack when you’re basically in a relationship with yourself. They say opposites attract. No." *does that face, taking a sip of his shake💅*
It's the same of him being the only one who mentions Loki's behaviour changing. (I'm not sure if he's the only one noticing, but he's the only one who makes the choice of calling it out.) And I also love the way he says no to Loki when he asks him to trust him. Loki stays calm, and just says "watch".
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This is so!!! Loki has been doing this for so long, he looks kind of numb to it – this might have happened many times before and he's done explaining or calming Mobius OR he's okay with Mobius's distrust because he on the other hand trusts himself enough that he doesn't have to feel threatened to lose their bond. He knows their bond is strong enough that he doesn't have to worry when Mobius's trust fades for a moment. And the episode proves me right when in the next moment Loki gets access.
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"Yes!" Mobius says, grabbing Loki's arm with both his hands, anxious and relieved for a small moment!!!
And that's real trust, friendship and relationship right there.
Comfort, sacrifice and honest moments like these make me feel loved the most. You can't entirely trust someone, you can't expect love to stay the same and you can't expect that the past to just fade away, you can't forgive easily and yet you keep hoping.
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"That's a lot of hoping." Sylvie says.
And Loki is the key and his beautiful, beautiful character arch.
Most of these points are connected to my own experiences of friendship and the working relationships I've seen. Just like in Luca, we make mistakes, sometimes things that are hard to forgive and this is kind of the essence of being human.
Now back to Luca and the way Mobius has to touch Loki like his life depends on it. There are touchy people (and it took me some time to realise I'm one of them.) Enrico says:
“We talked about it and I mean, I think the reason probably we didn’t talk about it as much and, to a certain degree, we’re slightly surprised by the amount of people talking about romance is that we were really focusing on friendship and so pre-romance. But it is a kind of love, right? There’s a lot of hugging and it’s physical and my experience as a straight man certainly wasn’t that. The things we did talk a lot about is what is the metaphor here for being a sea monster, for being different? And some people seem to get mad that I’m not saying yes or no, but I feel like, well, this is a movie about being open to any difference.” (source)
Yes, I do recognise the worries about queerbaiting, and yes, I can only wish that wasn't the issue at Disney. But imagine for a moment, a world where this isn't the case and we didn't have to fight with tooth and nail for representation. In that case this story works perfectly as a friendship and yet it doesn't cancel out the chance of it snowballing into romance.
And then there's the last scene. This post sums it up. What I need to add to this is that most story elements are finished. Loki's Glorious Purpose ending is tragic, angsty and hurtful but it's done, finished. His friendship with both Mobius and Sylvie, tragic angsty and hurtful, still finished. What remains and what drives the audience crazy, and in need for explanation is Mobius being shown in between his lives.
I've seen a lot of people make posts about this alredy. How the show kept telling us that Mobius doesn't want to see his life on the timeline, how Loki knows and brings this up to Sylvie, but it's never further explained, really. Other than the natural conclusion that you just might not want to give up your known reality for something new. The show introduces characters who would, so it's not that everyone would hesitate.
Mobius let go of Ravonna, although it hurt him. Mobius did not remember OB, Mobius got scolded by Sylvie. Hunter B-15 (or Verity, my girl♥︎ i love you so much...) and Casey might be his good friends but we don't really see that apart from that goodbye scene. (Which by the way, hurt like hell...) The only reason left is that Mobius cannot live without Loki properly and the last damn scene proves. this. to. be. the. case!!!!
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"Let time pass."
I... I love movies man...
(end notes:
– I almost started writing a new paragraph about how this parallels to Spiderverse but let's just forget about that, because that's a box I don't want to open right now, because I will feel ✨dumb✨
– In the Hungarian dubbing he says "For you, Sylvie" and that perfectly sums up this shithole of a country... They did not put Sylvie into the subs though, a win is a win i guess...)
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lucianalight · 5 months
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Loki S2 Review
I rewatched S2 and I liked it even more on the second watch. I'm giving it a 6 out of 10 in average(8 for the finale). Since I didn't post a review week by week like for S1, I'm just going to talk about the main things I liked/disliked
The Improvements & Things I liked:
The pace and the narrative's tone and framing have changed. While the pace drops sometimes, these moments aren't as boring as S1. Meaning you don't want to constantly check when it's going to end(like you know, S1 and especially 1x06). The narrative is neutral and doesn't villain code Loki and hero code others. It doesn't turn Loki into a clown, a punching bag or someone who deserves humiliation(I guess they've done enough of that in S1). On the contrary the characters are shown as flawed people, with Loki being the most moral, considerate, logical and heroic amongst them.
They stated bluntly in episode 1, that what TVA used to do, were atrocities. That they were killing numerous innocent people who had a right to live their lives as they chose.
The characters were three dimensional, likable or tolerable despite their actions in S1. They showed remorse for the things they had done. Although the way the narrative chose to go about it in S1 still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It shouldn't happen to you for you to realize sth is wrong. But at least it was shown that the characters weren't slaughtering people mindlessly and some of them deep down knew it was wrong. Although the fact that they still did it, because of the "greater good", and "woe is me! It's not a comfort it's a burden" attitude about it is repulsive.
OB, Casey and Timely being funny, cute nerds and fanboys :D
Loki using amazing magical stuff and DID YOU SEE THE GREEN MAGICAL GLOW IN HIS EYES?*incoherent screaming*
No Romance. It was unnecessary and rushed in S1. This time they focused more on Loki needing friends and that was definitely a better choice imo and what they should have gone for in S1 too.
Sylvie's actions and personality framed as what they were. She wasn't put on a pedestal as this amazing different FeMaLe version of Loki. She was framed as a flawed character with wrong and right actions and beliefs.
Loki and Sylvie's talk in the pie land, about change, hope, fixing what's broken and being gods. That sigh before Loki saying "We are gods" with all the weight of the world on his shoulders. Wonderful acting.
The ending and its epic soundtrack.
Topics & Things That Could Have Been Handled Better:
The Topic of New York Invasion
"Sometimes a rage builds up and you just gotta let it out. Do you remember that time I was so angry with my father and my brother, I went down to Earth and I held the whole of New York city hostage with an alien army? Tried to use the mind stone on Tony Stark? It didn't work so I threw him off the building. It wasn't tactical. I lost it"
On the surface it looks like Loki's saying that's why he attacked New York and probably most people accept this without a second thought.
But the context of the scene matters. We see during the interrogation Mobius loses his temper. He was worried about Loki getting angry, but he was the one who loses his temper and hits Brad. Loki tries to calm him down by sympathizing with him to try and see what caused his behavior. It's the same thing he did for Thor in the first movie, before coronation and after it, while Thor was nervous and angry. What he says about New York while isn't the whole truth, it also isn't untrue. He was angry with Thor and Odin but as we know his anger and thoughts were influenced by the scepter. We also know Loki doesn't like to talk about his time with Thanos or being tortured. Instead he uses a half-truth, sth that is in character for Loki.
So the scene can be rationalized by this analysis but it's still annoying that this analysis is even needed. They should have been clear about the scepter's influence especially when mcu confirmed it.
Loki thinking about Thor's change as being a weakness. While both Thor and Loki were groomed and taught to consider being soft as a weakness, that wasn't Loki's true feelings. At least I don't think someone who prefers words and magic-that are considered a weakness in Asgard-over brawn thinks like that. His goal in the first movie was to goad Thor into fighting him. So the line should have been sth like this: "Asgard taught us being soft is a weakness, so I used that against Thor to goad him into a fight. I said he's gone soft…"
Plotholes and things that weren't explained.
Why Loki and Sylvie weren't sent to their original timelines like others? And why neither of them showed any interest in seeking their family? You're telling me Loki wants to see these people he knows for 10 seconds more than Frigga or Thor? OOC.
Sylvie's sudden mastery of magic since 1x06 isn't explained. She didn't know much, but then suddenly could do everything Loki did. I mean I can headcanon that her and Loki linking their power taught her some things but these sudden developments without any explanations are annoying.
Loki's genderfluidity. No mention of it at all. Although I believe that no representation is better than bad representation. And you should leave a topic alone if you don't understand it, otherwise you're gonna mess it up. Because bad rep can be more harmful. And so maybe it was a good thing mcu let that one go. But they could still fix it with some shapeshifiting, explaining its difference with illusions and Loki confirming that he is comfortable in her female form.
Loki's clothes. It's probably not that important in comparison with other issues but I really hate that beige suit. Why Sylvie who doesn't even want to be Loki and wasn't in Asgard since childhood changes into an Asgardian outfit for a fight and not Loki? Yeah I get it. It was because of the last reveal and transformation and finding his identity blah blah blah but at least they could have gave him his old Asgardian clothes or he could change the suit's color ugh
Criticism & Things I didn't like:
The ooc moments for Loki in some comedic scenes. Especially in episode 5. While the character has a comedic potential, it's not based on clownery or clumsiness. The best humorous moments for Loki are the ones where he outwits others, use sarcastic language or he is being outwitted despite his careful plans.
Certain emotional stakes aren't clear from the start. The audience know that saving TVA is the right thing because it protects all the freed timelines but they don't know why they should care? Or more accurately why Loki is so emotionally invested in this goal. That gets answered in episode 5 and while Loki's talk with Sylvie is a good emotional scene, the fact that it's stated so late in the story, makes the first few episodes boring when it comes to saving TVA.
The main reason the emotional stakes aren't clear(at least for me), I believe is because most of the people Loki call them his "friends",  haven't done anything to either deserve his friendship or aren't close enough to be considered a friend. Let alone someone Loki tries to move heaven and hell to be with them, instead of for example trying to find his brother and family. It is an issue which again is rooted in S1 and carried to S2. What happened in S1 wasn't therapy or a healthy friendship.
However, Loki being loyal to anyone who show him an ounce of affection or him being moral enough to try to save people are in character for him and that's sth good about it.
The torture scene.
The trick Mobius and Loki pulled was predictable as hell. I didn't even doubted Loki in TDW, let alone here. And even though I didn't believe for one second that Loki's actually going to hurt the guy, and he wasn't shown enjoying it, I still hated that he went along with the torture idea Mobius had come up with. Especially considering the fact that he was a victim of torture himself and never shown any sign in canon that he would torture someone. So yeah I hated that scene.
And why that scene was even necessary? Loki could get into X-5's mind when they weren't in TVA. We know he is capable of it. He did it both through mind stone in Avengers and in TR. how else they were going to delve into Mobius' problem though smh
But alright let's say they needed a scene like that. Still the whole Brad believing Mobius is against torture, and Loki's the one who would be in favor of it, is so fucking ridiculous. Any way you look at it, it has always been TVA and Mobius who did any torture we've seen during the two seasons. The tortures that Loki endured might I add. Even in the previous scene, it was Loki who didn't hit Brad and only tried to intimidate him non-physically by acting as a villain. It was Mobius who hit him, who was shown more affected by Brad's insults. So logically the scene they had planned to fool Brad, should have been played completely the opposite way. By having Mobius do the torture. At least it was recognized that the torture idea was from Mobius and both he and Loki gave the credits for it to Mobius.
Verity Willis. Hunter B15 unlike the Verity in comics, doesn't have a close friendship with Loki or truth detector powers. Not having a good friend like comics Verity for Loki, was such a wasted opportunity in the series.
Mobius saying to Loki "You're a man of action...". That was such a stupid, unnecessary line. As if the main difference between Loki and Thor wasn't Thor acting before thinking, and Loki thinking and planning before acting. While Loki is also a man of action, he is first and foremost a man of strategy. The only plausible explanation imo is that Mobius said it to not feel useless in comparison with Loki and his skills.
"Thor's not that tall". Yeah, no. I don't think Loki's reaction to seeing Thor and Odin's statues would be that. Knowing his brother and family were murdered by the very same people he's working with now. Remind me again why he's considering them "FrIeNdS"? Someone really needs to explain the concept of friendship to Loki. Or rather the writers of this show.
And while we are at it. Let's talk about how Loki's past and identity issues were completely swapped under the rug as if they were all magically fixed and didn't matter anymore. As if those weren't the most important part of his journey. Another issue rooted in S1.
Final Thoughts(for now :D)
Season 2 was definitely better than season 1. Not perfect, and not for those who care about OG Loki's issues. They set him on a completely different path in S1 and they messed up any chance to actually delve into his problems. So in S2 we're having a character that we're supposed to accept has moved on from certain issues, and now tries to find what he wants and where he belongs. Still, I think that they listened to the criticism for once as they tried to fix some of the problems of S1. After many years it didn't feel like that the creators hate the character, or using him as a prop, or a plot device. It was a story about Loki. A bittersweet story for the god of stories.
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See, this conversation really highlights everything that's wrong with not just the Loki show, but the MCU in general now.
What they highlight here, about Loki's conversation with Mobius, and how dismissive and flippant he is while talking about what he did he New York, like it's all some silly joke that shouldn't be taken seriously, like it wasn't a big deal, like what he was feeling while he did what he did wasn't a big deal, is really the heart of the problem. Nobody takes anything seriously in universe, so how the hell is the audience supposed to take anything they do, think or feel seriously?
They've reduced Loki's entire character to a joke. They've reduced what he went through in the first Thor film into to a joke, what he went through when he fell through space and landed in Thanos' clutches into a joke, what happened during the first Avengers film into a joke. Everything's a big, fucking joke now. How can anybody like this? Don't they see what the writers of this trash are doing? They're shitting all over you by shitting all over the thing you love. By making fun of it and undercutting it, they're telling you you were stupid to ever take any of it seriously. It's the ultimate form of disrespect to the fans. It's a blunt insult.
This kind of shit drives me absolutely up a wall. It's so awful. And what they say in this video is so spot on. Loki started out having such depth and gravitas and presence. He started off as such a commanding, attention grabbing, complex character. And now, he's just some guy who eats pie and talks about his feelings, but with a flippancy which tells you that he doesn't actually have any feelings at all. He's just a hollow cut out that's full of shit. It's such a god damn joke.
People shouldn't settle for this. They shouldn't praise it because 'well, it's not as bad as the first season'. Because that's such a high bar to clear? Loki getting kneed in the nuts over and over by Sif. That's the bar you're clearing. Loki falling in love with a variant of himself after knowing her for five whole minutes, for no discernible reason, because who the fuck would love Sylvie, the most obnoxious bitch in the universe ? Loki getting man-handled and getting his ass handed to him by a bunch of humans with taser sticks. Loki being made a fool of every other scene. Loki losing every fight he gets into. Loki being tricked and outsmarted at every turn. Loki being so narcissistic and brain dead, that he can't see when he's being manipulated. This guy is supposed to be a genius. He's supposed to be terrifyingly smart. Anyone who knows anything about this character knows that. But reverse psychology works on him, I guess.
So Loki does a little magic which, more than anything, just highlights the utter void of creativity in these writers minds, and we're supposed to cheer and clap? Loki is a god. Loki is the most powerful sorcerer in Asgard. He can do pretty much anything you can imagine. And this is the best they can come up with? He holds someone down with shadows on the wall. Wow. So impressive. Get the fuck out of here.
But that's really the problem. They've reduced Loki into such a shadow of what he once was, that even the barest crumbs of it that we get now, we get excited about. We praise and point to as proof that things are "better". They're not better, though. This Loki is still a clown and an idiot and acts and conducts himself in ways nothing like what was originally established with this character. This Loki still has nothing to do with the original character's story or history in the MCU. They make passing references to that history, and play it off for laughs, instead of actually delving deep into it and exploring it and helping the audience to really understand and sympathize with Loki as a character.
Loki talks here about being "angry" with Thor and Odin. Okay. That would be great, except he says it like it's a joke. Imagine if instead of that, it was actually treated seriously, and we finally, finally, got an examination of what Loki was going through emotionally during the first Thor film? Imagine if Loki actually got to acknowledge the devastation he felt when he found out he was a frost giant? If he got to really acknowledge the alienation and rejection he felt upon discovering he was the very thing that his own people, the Asgardians, had always considered to be lesser beings, and not only that, but literal monsters? Imagine if he got to really express the turmoil of that? Of finding out you come from a race of beings you were raised to believe were inferior, in all ways. If he was allowed to process why he had such an overwhelming emotional and mental breakdown, that he tried to destroy Jotunheim and then take over Midgard. Imagine if we got an actual acknowledgement of what lead up to all of that, with Loki feeling like an outcast, a reject among Thor's friends, among the Asgardians in general, always seen as lesser than Thor in everyone's eyes. Does nobody remember how disrespectful practically everyone was to Loki in the first Thor film? From servants to the Warriors 3 and Sif, to Heimdall. They all treated him like shit. Fucking Christ, there's a literal world of ideas and character depth to explore there, and they just... don't. They could have devoted the whole show to this and it would have been riveting. Imagine, imagine, imagine. But nope. Instead, we get a passing reference to it, written and delivered as if it was all some big comedic skit, and the rest of the show is about finding Kang so they can set up Avengers 5. Holy shit. People should not accept this as good. People should not praise or even give positive commentary on this because it's "better" than the first season. It's not better. It's more of the god damn same.
People shouldn't accept mediocrity. They should demand better. Because if they don't, Marvel and Disney will just keep putting this same shit out and think they can get away with it.
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marvelights625 · 4 months
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"And then you get these two together, and they're this couple that like never quite got there and they're still working things out. And I think it's just messy and emotionally true. And it's not quite neat and tidy. That's what I like about romance. It's never neat and tidy."
how is this even real??
they are not a messy romance, they are just messy.
like…?
sylvie walked away when loki was on the verge of tears, twice.
sylvie blamed him for the situation (conveniently).
sylvie gaslighted him into believing her opinion on his friends’ life and the tva, and tried to convince him of her fixations. she forced him to admit his feelings and then dismissed it by saying,
‘we’re both selfish’
she made it clear that she did not need loki and was perfectly content without him. not to mention how she conveniently refused to help him to fix her actions.
yes, it was her fault. the timelines colliding, dying, was her fault. yet no one felt the need to hold her accountable.
and when loki did call her out at the automat, the writers decided to let sylvie be the victim portraying
‘no she can’t trust because her life was tough so it’s okay if she believes she did nothing wrong and just aggressively insults everyone around her’
she’s not a badass, or a girlboss. she literally had to do nothing to kill hwr. he sat there, got it over with. walked right into his trap. she’s not determined, she’s vengeful. she killed minutemen, innocents, anyone who got in her way. she doesn’t want a throne, but like any other loki would, she would recklessly get what she wants.
and it angers me that she never got an arc to notice this. never got a reason to feel the need to become a better person. i’m not sexist (ik that’s something a sexist would say). i don’t hate sylvie because she’s a strong female character. but strength also comes with wisdom, maturity, humility, appropriate trust and so many more admirable qualities they never gave her. they gave her a knife and loud voice and they were like ‘there’s the superior loki variant!’.
and it doesn’t make me a hater to blame sylvie for how toxic sylki is. she is indeed the manipulative, aggressive, dismissive person. no excuse can fit in for treating loki the way she did. yes, she doesn’t want a relationship. but loki ain’t grabbing her and begging for her love, he just asked for help, and she didn’t even have the decency to respect him.
why is the crew glorifying this? why is anyone at all promoting this? why is she justified? while loki got years of mistakes, punishment and realisation, sylvie got a two minute backstory and miraculously became loki’s love interest in the span of one episode, and everything is just justified. there is no depth to her whatsoever. if this is what they reduce loki to a ‘clown’ for, then they should’ve done better.
i’m more of a ‘leave the saliva exchanging, enjoy the show person’ but for one of the first times, i was watching a show about a character i was attached to for years and this is it. i loved him throughout his journey, and i loved his arc, and i loved his friends, but him and sylvie just make me sick cuz like, they can’t even decide.
‘she’s a loki but also not a loki because she hates them. but the show is about loki so she has to be a variant of loki. but only a variant because people can’t call it incest/selfcest. season 2 is driven by their deeper relationship and is emotionally true, but the show is basically her having trust issues and disrespecting him, saying she doesn’t want him. and loki just being sick and tired of all the shit and in the end, doesn’t get a break. thank you’
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actuallysaiyan · 2 years
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Kinktober Day 5: Face Sitting(Two For The Price of One)
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warnings/kinks: face sitting, cunnilingus, fusion, slight praise kink, sharing a partner, threesome pairings: Gogeta x Fem!Reader word count: 1.0k tag list: @beneathstarryskies, @ricflairdrip20, @witchofcustom, @loki-love, @xailem
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When you first met the two of them, you found them both annoying in their own right. But as you three got to know one another more intimately, you knew that it was the perfect trio. Dating two Saiyans wasn’t always easy, but you always found a way to make it work. While Goku was more carefree and laidback, Vegeta was high strung and demanding. So meeting both their needs could be tricky sometimes. You always had to take time out of your day to pleasure at least one of them. And sometimes they both wanted you. That could become complicated most of the time. So you finally told them about your frustrations and they realized they could do something about it.
“What do you mean you can fuse?” you ask, clearly so confused by what they’ve just explained to you.
“We can do something and we can be one Saiyan. That way, we technically both get to fuck you at the same time.” Goku says, a little too cheery about it.
“Tch, I don’t think it’s going to feel that way, but I don’t want to miss a chance to prove this clown wrong.”
You roll your eyes at Vegeta’s grumbling, but you know he wants to fuck you just as much as Goku does. You wonder what they would be able to do to become one. You’ve heard of the Potara earrings, but you weren’t sure that’s what they were referring to.
“It lasts only half an hour, so first we thought we would make you cum!” Goku explains, and he pulls you in a little closer to be able to kiss you.
“It’s what you deserve,” Vegeta justifies, a pink tinge on his cheeks. 
“So,” you breathe. “This is going to be all about me then?”
Goku shrugs, “Well sure! You know we both love you, right?”
“Yeah, how could I forget?” You tease him cheekily. Vegeta groans at your softness, but he feels himself growing aroused.
Vegeta grabs you off of Goku’s lap and you squeal when he begins nipping at your neck. Goku watches the two of you for a few moments before he nudges Vegeta. He smirks at Goku and he lets you settle on the ground. Then the realization hits him, and he’s blushing like crazy.
“Hmph, I don’t know how you keep talking me into doing this silly dance with you, Kakarot.” Vegeta mumbles, but when you place a kiss on his lips, he’s reminded of the act he’s about to do.
They get up off the couch and within seconds, they are standing next to one another and in front of you. You’re a little confused about all of it, but you know you’ll find out in a moment. Vegeta is blushing and Goku seems so horny. You watch as they perform this strange dance while calling out “Fusion ha!”. Your eyes nearly pop out of your head when you see just the one Saiyan standing in front of you. He smirks at your reaction.
“Like what you see?” The Saiyan asks. “I’m Gogeta, and we only have thirty minutes.”
You have a million questions but you know you don’t have time to ask them right now. It’s not long before you’re off the couch and kissing Gogeta. He sounds, feels and looks like Goku and Vegeta, but this is some other entity all on its own as well. His fingers run through your hair as you make out. His other hand works on undressing you, and he groans when he sees you exposed just for him.
“Come on, we promised to make you cum, didn’t we?” Gogeta coaxes. He settles on the couch, removing the clothing he has on himself. You have no words for just how gorgeous he is. He’s really a perfect combination of both your lovers.
He teasingly pats his face, “Your throne awaits, princess.” You can hear Vegeta’s voice coming out more strongly.
“M-my throne?” You ask, a little lightheaded from all this lust.
Gogeta is quick to grab you and he guides you to straddle his chest first. Then with his large hands, he picks you up and places you on his face. You try to protest but that cuts off into moans of pleasure as you feel his tongue on your pussy. It glides up and down your folds before he flicks your clit. Your fingers tangle in his hair, and you feel your hips buck to meet his stimulations.
You feel a slap on your ass which makes you squeal. Gogeta looks up at you, a fire burning in his eyes. It’s a warning look too. One that says “don’t move. I’m in charge.”. It scares you in a way, but the thrill is too good to pass up. You know neither of them would hurt you on purpose. So you let yourself get eaten out by this fusion of gorgeous Saiyans.
“I knew you could be a good girl.” You hear the praise more from Goku.
“I’m trying, but it feels so good.” 
Gogeta chuckles darkly before lapping at you more fervently. You try your best not to wiggle around, but with every lash of his tongue, you’re pretty much done for. The animalistic grunts and groans that come from him really make you even more close to the edge. This is such a different experience from what you’re used to. He’s even more feral when he’s the two of them together.
“Such a sweet pussy,” he growls as his tongue dips into your little hole. You don’t know which one of them came from.
“I’m close,”
He grips your thighs and pulls you in even closer. You’re practically suffocating him with your thighs,  but he doesn’t care. You shudder and shake as the knot in your stomach tightens so impossibly. Just when you think you can’t take anymore of this, you tumble over the edge with a loud moan. Gogeta holds you down, his lips latching onto your clit as you cum hard. His name falls from your lips like a desperate prayer, and nothing has ever made him feel more powerful than this.
As you’re coming down from your high, he lovingly licks at your pussy to gather up any remaining slick. His cock is impossibly hard, and he knows he’s going to need to fuck you now. Just as he’s about to push you back onto the couch, Gogeta turns back into both Goku and Vegeta. Goku looks over at Vegeta, and they both chuckle.
“Looks like we’ll be taking turns after all,”
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shiningshenanigans · 6 months
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So, about Loki and Sylvie’s dynamic in Episode 2…
This episode was hard to watch. It’s painful to see these two characters who we know love each other wrestle with such deep-seated issues in their relationship. The gap between expectations and reality for their reunion scene, what we hoped it would be vs. what we got, is pretty glaringly huge. 
It’s interesting to think about how most of the reunion fics people have been writing for the past two years have been variations of the same thing: Loki searching endlessly for Sylvie out in the multiverse, finally finding her and welcoming her back with open arms; Sylvie, tentative and rageful at first, but eventually breaking down in tears and melting into his embrace. We all wanted a big, emotional moment for them, full of kisses and hugs and apologies and “I love you”s. What we got instead was awkward tension and a lack of vulnerability from both parties. 
That sad part is, this is just what happens in human relationships sometimes. Sometimes you can’t resolve everything with one conversation. Sometimes fear, insecurities, pride, or just poorly timed interruptions keep us from mending what’s been broken between us and the people we love. 
But, there’s still a reason that we wanted to see the reunion scene play out this way, à la Hosea and Gomer or the prodigal son returning home after wasting his father's money. We long to see forgiveness and repentance play out in relationships, because that’s what unconditional love looks like. That’s how the conversation should have gone, and would have gone if these weren’t flawed, complex characters that we’re dealing with. Sylvie should be feeling remorse for what she’s done. Loki should be prioritizing Sylvie’s emotional well-being above his own needs. Under the surface, I think that that’s exactly what’s happening. But neither of them are vocalizing it properly, and that’s what’s creating the tension. 
Sylvie, I think, is clearly in the wrong. I say that as the biggest Sylvie stan ever, so hear me out. Her actions and anger towards the TVA have always been completely, 100% justified, but she’s being really short-sighted at the moment. She thinks she can settle down in her own timeline and forget about everything, but sooner or later the consequences of her actions are going to come back to haunt her.  
If you think about it, killing HWR didn’t really do that much to free the timeline. The TVA didn’t even know that HWR existed, and he seemed to be running everything on autopilot. If Sylvie had made it all the way to the citadel by herself, without ever meeting Loki or Mobius, the TVA might very well have just continued to prune branches and hunt her down, with no real knowledge of what happened behind the curtain. 
The real reason the TVA stopped coming after Sylvie is because Mobius and B15 put out an order to stop pruning branches. While Loki and Sylvie were making their way to the citadel, they were down in the TVA changing hearts and minds, transforming it from the inside out. That’s not to diminish what Sylvie did - after all, it was her fighting spirit that inspired the change in the first place. But in a roundabout way, Loki is really the one who set her free from her life on the run. He was the bridge between her and the TVA, the one who brought her story and the all evils of the TVA to the light. It’s really his influence that has made her new life on the timeline possible, but she doesn’t comprehend this yet. She can’t, with all of her unhealed trauma. In her mind, she’s her own hero. She saved herself.
It’s interesting to note that when Loki asks her what she’ll do if HWR shows up again, her answer is, “Kill him”, with that smug little smirk on her face. This has been Sylvie's go-to solution for all her problems ever since we met her. Minute men chasing her down? Kill them. Timekeepers trying to control her destiny? Kill them. Clown interrupts her plan to kill said time keepers? Kill him. Weird man in a purple robe trying to take away everyone’s free will? You guessed it: kill him. What she doesn’t realize, though, is that this mindset makes her no different from the corrupt TVA agents she hates so much. People making choices that lead to chaos and multiversal war? Prune them. In other words, kill them. Loki’s love for Sylvie, and his friendship with Mobius, has taught him that life has value, and now he’s doing everything he can to protect it through the TVA. But this isn’t a lesson that Sylvie has learned yet. She’s only thinking about the value of her own life - not the lives of others. Not really. Not yet.
Also, how happy could she really be in her little 1980s McDonalds world? Yes, she's experiencing stability for the first time in her life, and don't get me wrong, Homegirl totally deserves the chance to rest and live a normal life for a little while. But, at the same time, how many people in her new timeline could ever really, truly understand the life she’s lived? She deserves to have people like Loki, Mobius, B15, Casey and OB in her life: fellow variants who can relate, on some level, to the trauma that she’s been through. She deserves the chance to explore and embrace her Asgardian heritage, her Jotun heritage, even. With Loki in particular, she has the opportunity to be in a relationship where she is fully known in every way possible, seeing as he’s literally a masculine version of herself. She deserves that kind of intimacy in her life, and it won’t be long before that lack of connection starts to leave her lonely again. She may say that she’s not running from anything, but she is. She’s running from herself, from her own story.
Loki’s not off the hook, either. He made some major missteps in the way he approached this conversation. It really should have been his responsibility to lead with love and prioritize Sylvie’s emotions over his own. And while I think he tried to do that… he failed pretty miserably. 
I have a suspicion that he was disappointed, a little hurt, even, when he learned about Sylvie’s new life on the timeline. Afterall, they had kinda made plans to do that together when all was said and done. It probably stung to learn that not only was she ok without him, she was also happy and thriving in her new life. This is honestly the hardest part of learning how to love someone selflessly. You tell yourself that you want what’s best for them, but… can you accept it if “what’s best for them” has nothing to do with whether or not you are an active part of their life?
A lot of Loki’s desperation to find Sylvie in the first episode is fueled by uncertainty–not knowing where she is and wanting to make sure she’s ok. When he learns about her new life, a lot of that urgency goes away. But, he still wants to see her, and he feels like he needs a “reason” for it. So, he hides behind his encounter with her in the elevator as his way in.
What Loki should have done in this moment was be vulnerable with her. He should have asked her how she was. He should have told her the real reason he came: because he loves her and wants to fix things between them (and also protect her from an impending multiversal war, but that’s a conversation for later). He got this so right when he threw himself under her blade at the citadel, holding her gently and assuring her that he knew how she felt. But sincerity and truth-telling, vulnerability, are all still new to him, and while he’s not hiding his feelings anymore, you can tell he’s still struggling to express them.     
He’s too in his own head during their conversation. Her cold attitude and the time limit she’s placed on the talk have left him scrambling for words, so instead, he chooses to put up his own walls rather than chip away at hers. He tells her about what he saw in the future and asks her for information. He starts talking about TVA business and multiversal wars (the absolutely last thing she wants to hear about) and tries to force his viewpoint on her again rather than actually trying to clear the air.  
They both have so far to go to reconcile their relationship, and it's tough to watch. It makes me miss their bond in season 1, their playful banter and the inherent sweetness of their honeymoon phase. Is it possible that they’re drifting apart intentionally, that they won’t end up together in the end? Yeah, sure. Marvel doesn’t really have a great track record for ending romances on a positive note. But I really hope that all the angst is building towards something satisfying in the end. It is, after all, only episode 2. We’ve got the whole rest of the season to go!  
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boydcrowdr · 6 months
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i also just find the moments ppl are grabbing between loki and mobius and saying “this has no other interpretation other than gay” hilarious cus it’s always something he’s also done or said to sylvie or someone else. like that’s just how he interacts with ppl. he’s a clown. what can i say
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musclesandhammering · 6 months
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Kang is the World’s Most Ambitious Conman
Well, here we are. The end of the season. No idea what I’m gonna hyperfixate on when this is over. But since it’s the day before the finale, I wanna go ahead and get my final prediction out. This is what I genuinely think is going to be revealed in canon. If it doesn’t happen, feel free to clown me.
My theory is that there was never anything special about He Who Remains whatsoever. He wasn’t a particularly good inventor, he wasn’t a particularly good fighter, he wasn’t particularly powerful- he was just damn good at using other people as stepping stones.
I think he created all the technology in the TVA by reading A.D. Doug’s old books and papers and stealing his ideas. The “army” that he led in the multiversal war was really just variants of regular people he kidnapped from their timelines, and it wasn’t even led by him, it was led by Ravonna. He never “tamed” Alioth.. he used a Loki variant to enchant Alioth. After he did all this, he wiped all of their memories, threw the Loki variant back into the time stream, and kept the rest of them around as his military police, essentially- there to enforce his will and keep him in power.
Now as for what I think his plan was in regards to episode 1x06…
By now, it’s fairly apparent that he wanted to be killed so he could reincarnate (via a variant) and continue the cycle. But how exactly was that supposed to go?
Well, I think his plan was for Loki/Sylvie to become the quasi-leaders of the TVA after they killed him. He knew the loom meltdown would happen, and he specifically counted on Loki/Sylvie recruiting Victor Timely to help them stop it. That’s why he passed on his contingency plan to Miss Minutes. Because of she and Ravonna’s meddling in Victor’s life, by the time Loki/Sylvie came to him, he would already be primed to take HWR’s place. After the loom was saved, with Miss Minutes and Ravonna’s help, Victor was supposed to betray Loki/Sylvie and take power for himself. After that, there would still be the issue of all the other Kangs out there, so Victor would do exactly what HWR did before him: use OB’s tech, the TVA’s army, Ravonna’s leadership, and Loki/Sylvie’s magic to win the war. And there you have it! He’s right back on the throne as the next incarnation of He Who Remains.
That plan isn’t going to work in the show though. And there’s two main reasons:
Victor decides he doesn’t want to be an evil dictator. You can see in his face the moment Miss Minutes says “You’ll never be him.” that he perceived that with determination, instead of the disappointment she intended. As in: “you’re right, I’ll never be him. I want to be someone good.” And immediately after that, he goes and does something heroic to try to save everyone- and ends up dying for it (for now). And my how poetic it is for HWR to be foiled by one of his own variants expressing free will and choosing to be better than the story that was written for them.
Loki’s timeslipping. He Who Remains planned for one or both of the Lokis to kill him. He didn’t know the exact specifics of it. So Sylvie pushing Loki through a time door into the past TVA (which is what I think caused his timeslipping) probably isn’t something he anticipated. The timeslipping, of course, has a snowball effect, because it will eventually (as I’m sure we’ve all guessed by now) lead to Loki becoming the God of Stories. And the God of Stories will be strong enough to save the TVA, then assemble a team and defeat the rest of the Kangs.
It’s all very epic and convoluted and poetic. I think it makes perfect sense *guy applying clown makeup.jpeg*
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