#loki series theories

[mythgenderedloki]

Okay so I haven't posted anything in about 2 years but ssshhh...

Apologies if anyone has already posted this theory, but the 'our loki will be with our Mobius' line from the featurete has reminded me of this. I don't think the Mobius we see at the end of S1 is from an alternative universe. I think it is still 'our Mobius'. Instead, Mobius doesn't recognise Loki because Loki has never existed.

Now Sylvie has killed He Who Remains, she is in control of the timeline. She uses her new power to give herself what she's always wanted: a life. To do this, she must first remove the existing life the Sacred Loki lives and replace it with her own. Two Lokis existing at once would probably cause too many nexus events for time to flow smoothly. Instead, Sylvie replaces Sacred Loki's life with her own, mundane one. This is why she works at McDonald's so she can live a normal life.

Loki, therefore doesn't exist, especially not in any significance for the TVA to take nite which is why Mobius doesn't recognise our Loki.

I think the climax of the series will be Mobius in trying to restore Loki back into the timeline by wearing the temperal radiation suit and physically repairing the timeline... risking his life to do so.

However, I think by removing Loki from the timeline, the timeline as a whole will begin to unravel. Without Loki, Thor remains an arrogant prince and never becomes a hero. The Avengers never assembled to stop Loki in New York. Thanos easily wipes out the half universe. This makes it even easier for Kang to take control of time with no opposition to stop him.

And loki will see that, even though he mainly played the role of villain on the timeline, he was just as vital as any of the heroes.

#loki #loki speculation #loki theory #loki s2 #loki tv show #loki series theories #loki show #loki season 2 #loki season two #mobius #slyvie #mcu #marvel #the avengers #thor

[silverpen-and-paper]

i really hate the theory that “sylvie was playing save asgard when she was arrested by the tva, so the reason she was arrested was bc she had a good heart.” i hate it for several reasons:

it implies that main loki, as a child, didn’t have a good heart. which makes no sense to me — do you think that our loki would have been playing a “destroy asgard scenario” instead?? and even if they had been, they were a KID, hundreds of years from doing the things loki does in thor 1 and avengers 1.

one of the main things that triggered loki’s villain arc was learning that they were A) adopted and B) a jotun. sylvie already knew she was adopted from a young age. it’s unclear whether or not her parents told her that she was jotun as well, but even if they hadn’t, just telling her about the adoption could be a huge tilt in the timeline, right?

maybe she could have learned about being jotun much earlier than main loki; or already knowing about the adoption would have softened her reaction to finding out she’s a jotun; or her parents would have chosen not to instill the same beliefs that frost giants are dangerous monsters.

or not, because there is a possibility that if sylvie had grown up in her own timeline, and learned she was jotun at the same point that loki did, she too might have gone down a villain path and her story would have been nearly identical to loki’s.

and either way, i don’t think sylvie’s nexus event is related to any "inherent goodness" she had as a child — same goes for any "inherent evilness" that loki had as a child. i think that her nexus event was the fact she knew she was adopted, or another reason that s2 will reveal to us, or both.

(i also don’t think it has much to do with her gender. i doubt loki being a woman throughout the entire mcu would have significantly changed anything in-universe.)

#however i do think that loki being a woman throughout the entirety of the mcu would have significantly changed things in OUR universe #no hate towards the person who actually thought of the theory btw!! #i'm just annoyed at the theory itself #loki #loki laufeyson #loki odinchild #loki odinson #sylvie #sylvie laufeydottir #marvel #mcu #loki series #loki series theory #loki series theories

[gallifreyriver]

I have a theory about Sylvie's nexus event.

I don't think she had one.

I think Renslayer was sent by He Who Remains to snatch her, for the singular purpose of knowing Sylvie would escape and try to destroy the TVA and Sacred Timeline.

So when Renslayer said she 'didn't remember' Sylvie's nexus event, I don't think she was lying. I think she was just blindly following orders and possibly never even bothered to see what the nexus event might have been before arresting her. And because HWR had wiped her memories before this, she wasn't really 'in' on it either, just another pawn. So it's also not unreasonable to think maybe HWR instructed Miss Minutes to send a fake nexus alert at his command to jumpstart the event, since she was an Ai and inside everything at the TVA, all just so Renslayer would arrest Sylvie and start her on the path to him.

#loki #loki series #sylvie #sylvie laufeydottir #ravonna renslayer #he who remains #miss minutes #loki theories #loki series theories #fan theory #loki fan theory

[loki-us]

It’s the casual way Mobius sets his chaotic boyfriend The God of Mischief loose on everyone. Mobius is so attuned to Loki, he immediately knows how he’s going to react, offering him a gentle warning or permission to proceed. And Loki carefully waits for that permission before he acts, implying this is a familiar dynamic that’s been established beforehand.

#their trust and intimacy with each other #is so subtle #and yet it cannot be denied #I mean they’re practically married already #Lokius #loki #loki 1893 #1893 #mobius #mobius m mobius #loki god of mischief #god of mischief #gifset #loki tv #loki series #loki season two #loki s2 #thoughts-theories #loki-us blog #im screaming

[free-llama-arcade]

Ok, so the TVA style always struck me as 90% vintage and 10% futuristic SciFi. BUT, Loki x Mobius outfits designs are an intentional metaphor for fitting together. Theory time! Strap in.

It starts with my obsession over the lapels on Mobius' jacket. See how they sit UNDER the rest of the fabric instead of on-top?

Here's a grainy close up.

Man that's cool seam work. Anyway.

Now Loki has a cool lapel too, but it's the opposite of Mobius', it's all puffed up. (See where I'm going?)

Here's a better pic.

It has DEFINITELY been padded out. Here's a typical wool peacoat for comparison:

So we have Mobius and his lapel being inset, and Loki and his lapel protruding in excess.

MEANING that the two jackets symbolically fit together. Like if they hugged chest to chest. The lapels are a metaphorical puzzle piece for how Loki and Mobius go together.

Obviously there are many ways to read into this, like how Loki fit into Mobius' life, or how Mobius contains Loki's behaviour, how Mobius is more introspective and Loki is more a man of action. (Pop your interpretation below!)

But ultimately, this costume design HAD to be intentional. It's such a cute little detail that really shows how much thought really goes into this show.

I'm not sure whose choice this was, probably Tom Hornsby the costume director? Anyway, whoever it was, I see you. I love your work. This is just my current rabbit hole after falling in love with Mobius' lapels. ✨

#loki theory #obsessed with costumes #i fell in love with a jacket #Tom Hornsby #loki x Mobius #lokius #tva loki #tva costume #these men fit together like a puzzle #mobius jacket #loki series #loki and mobius #mobius #how do i sew this #protrude in excess

[aritks]

Not me bringing more lokius and angst to the table.

But from what we have seen of the end of the episode, Loki can hear through the branches People talking(?). What if Loki can hear how his dear friends decided to move on from everything, after his sacrifice.

But he hears in the distance, one calmly voice, saying "he will keep waiting" for him to return "let time pass". Like imagine how Loki would feel hearing that even after all of this there will be someone waiting for him, and its Mobius.

Like let me cry. For a moment.

#loki season 2 #loki series #loki #loki spoilers #lokius #mobius #theory #mobius x loki

[loki-is-my-kink-awakening]

Okay, I wanna talk about this scene and what it might mean for Loki and Mobius in S2.

Sure, they stood here so Loki could point at the panel showing all the Kangs fighting, and the full mural is meant to be the story of how the Time Keepers created order out of chaos, but what if it also means something else.

Let's look at Mobius first, then Loki.

Mobius POV

Mobius is standing with his back to a panel representing chaos and looking at one that represents order, showing the Time Keepers appearing as gods to shocked people below. Seems very religious and mythological, right?

"If you think too hard about where any of us came from, who we truly are, it sounds kinda ridiculous."

Mobius had always believed in order and that what the TVA were doing, ripping people from their lives, was necessary.

He also has previously likened Loki's origins, which is literal mythology in mcu form, as similar to his own experiences in the TVA.

What he isn't aware of is who exactly was behind the curtain or that all-out war is coming. That's something Loki reveals to Mobius, showing him the truth in his blindspot (the panel behind him).

Now, he knows the Time Keepers are fake, that he wasn't created by them. By this point in the episode, he's already acknowledged to B-15 that their gods are dead.

This revelation for Mobius feels pretty similar to how the truth was revealed to Loki in S1E1.

Mobius is also looking at a panicked Loki. He's seen him teary-eyed before, but not this distressed.

What Mobius sees before him is his fear, that Loki won't be able to escape the bonds of the sacred timeline, that he's doomed to die, and that pains him.

And one last thing. Loki is a god of mischief, and I can't help thinking about the comparison of a real god Mobius can see in front of him and the fake Time Keepers in the panel behind Loki.

Loki POV

Meanwhile, Loki is looking at chaos that scares him. The panel has several Kangs all fighting for supremacy in a pose that was similar to that shown by Kang in S1E6.

Loki is the god of mischief, who thrives on chaos, and yet the prospect of all these Kangs frightens him.

War is the only thing preoccuping his mind. It's the only thing he can see.

But behind him are the Time Keepers, and we know they are fake, but what if the truth Loki has to face is that while he no longer wants a throne, he might need to take it to save the people he cares for, his found family.

Loki is looking at Mobius, who's concerned about him and a little rattled, but ultimately keeping his calm. I think this calm is likely to fracture the more season 2 progresses.

What Loki sees before him is his fear, that Mobius will be caught up in the war and lost to him. It's a reminder of what's at stake if he doesn't restore order. And he's already experienced a Mobius who didn't know him, and that was heartbreaking.

What this scene also does is continue both Loki and Mobius being mirrors for each other, revealing truth and reflecting one another.

They are similar to each other in many ways. We saw glimpses of Mobius embracing chaos in S1, which I always love to see. And I can't wait to see more of these soulmates. They are important to one another.

Thanks to @lgwilt and @insert-witty-user-name-here for discussing this theory with me. I added in your glorious insights because what you said really resonated with me.

And I haven't even spoken about all the touching, that Mobius doesn't want to lose Loki and Loki is just so desperate to get to Mobius, but I think other people have covered that.

And just a wee note to everyone that this is just me theorising, and usually my theories do not happen, but I couldn't help pondering if this mural had an even deeper meaning. I just like theorising for fun.

Hopefully, the above made some sort of sense.

#loki series #loki #mobius #lokius #loki tv #loki show #loki s2 #loki season 2 #loki x mobius #wowki #loki theory #loki spoilers #not that this necessarily happens but for those who don't want to see any theories too

[kloudystars471]

Is the kid at the end of episode 2 Mobius?

It would make perfect sense.

Mobius and Loki were literally just talking about finding Mobius's past hours ago.The foreshadowing all adds up. Plus, at some point they brought up that he would have a different name. His original name is not Mobius. What if it was Jack?

But anyway, if you look at how the kid is dressed-

(a tan overcoat, a striped tie, yellow? brown? clogs, and a white collared shirt)

-it seems a bit familiar..

The yellowish brown clogs, a white collared shirt, a brown suit, and tie.

Sure, we can take this as the TVA having their own dress code in hues of brown and suites-

But they all wear it differently.

B-15 wears black formal clothes with no blazer and a red tie. It's representative of being a hunter since they all wear black.

Loki wears the brown suits and all, but he constantly changes how he wears it. He pops the collar, takes off the blazer entirely, rolls up his sleeves, etc. Plus, he has a different tie than everyone else.

Casey never wears the blazer, so it's apparently not a strict requirement.

O.B. doesn't wear a suit at all due to the work he does.

Renslayer wears the suit and all, but it's different. She has a yellow undershirt, a colorfully patterned tie, she keeps it buttoned, etc.

The uniforms for McDonalds at the time were striped red and white, as seen in the episode. The kid chose to wear a tie of his own volition, it's his style.

THEN, Mobius is the only one where he a) keeps the blazer unbuttoned b) wears lighter, laceless shoes, and c) is that specific type of awkward when talking to someone.

When the kid was talking to Sylvie, he said: "Cool, cool." Repeating the same word, but softer. He does it without truly tripping over his words, more so repeating them. Pretending to be casual,but visibly nervous. It is Mobius's sort of mannerism.

The year is 1982. That means that in our present day, Mobius would be in his mid fifties just about. It would also suggest that he was taken by the TVA around now. Seeing as he has gray hair, this shows it could be accurate.

If this were to be true, it means a 2 things.

1. Mobius had a friendship of sorts with Sylvie when he was younger (could be why he is so interested in learning about Lokis in the TVA, they are familiar)

2. Sylvie chose this fast food place on purpose. It couldn't be random. To 'accidentally' find the same job that her variant's friend worked at as a teen. She is planning something.

#loki #sylvie #mobius #marvel theories #loki series #loki season 2 #predictions/theories #could they be the same? #it's possible right?

[spider-gem]

What if Mobius was a villain/anti-hero in his past life?

Here’s why I think there’s a good possibility for this:

While it’s probably easier for Marvel to go the boring route (Mobius was simply a normal dude with a normal job and a normal family, etc), I think there’s more to Mobius than we think. Owen Wilson himself teased Mobius has a deeper story arc this season:

In the latest episode, X-5 (or Brad) strikes a nerve when asking Mobius why he’s not interested in his past. Mobius tells Loki that he likes his life at the TVA- that’s his purpose and he’s good at it (My Lokius heart also tells me that it’s because he likes being with Loki and doesn’t want to lose him if he goes back to his past life- yeah yeah, I’m delusional, I know…)

I may be looking to hard into this (I’m a writer and reader, over-analyzing is what I do) but what if there’s a reason Mobius prefers his life at the TVA? Don’t get me wrong, I do believe that his memories have been wiped, but what if there’s something deep within him (part of his subconscious perhaps) that’s telling him to avoid his past?

I looked into Mobius’ comic counterpart to see what I could learn about the character. There’s not much. He’s had interactions with the Fantastic Four and She-Hulk, but there aren’t any details on his past. However, there are a few things I found interesting:

We all know that Kang created the TVA, but could this imply that Mobius may have known Kang personally and chose to work with him? Let’s dive deeper:

Mobius is also known as Mr. Tesseract. Why? I have no idea. He doesn’t seem to have any relation with the Tesseract. (There are some VERY cool fanarts though, so check them out if you have time). However, there’s more:

There’s a Mr. Orobourous and a Mr. Paradox as well. We just met Orobourous (spelt as Ouroboros) in the first episode of season two. Also, connect the dots: Mr Paradox = General Dox? I may be looking too deep into this, but I feel like these three may be connected in some way.

While this still isn’t a lot of information, there’s still a chance that this alias has something to do with Mobius’ backstory in the show. So, here’s my theory:

What if Mobius, once known as Mr. Tesseract, worked closely with Kang? What if he helped build the TVA? There’s a possibility that he has powers he doesn’t know about (as well as O.B. and Dox) that helped structure the TVA. Mr. Tesseract may have powers similar to his namesake. Mobius balances the TVA’s power over space, Ouroboros (which, in definition, is a snake that represents infinity) balances the power over time, and Dox balances the power over reality.

So, why don’t they have their memories? I theorize that Mobius (and maybe the others) eventually realized that Kang was wrong. Maybe he attempted to overthrow him. In the end, Kang defeated him and took away his memories as punishment, making him forget about his powers. We also know that Mobius’ memories have been wiped more than once, so there’s a chance that Mobius’ powers (in theory) eventually resurface, causing Kang to repeat the process.

This may be just some wacko theory that I overanalyzed and spent too much time on (probably) but the idea excites me. If this is in anyway true, how will Mobius react? How will Loki react? How will this impact the course of the show?

I can’t wait to find out more. Again, Mobius may have just been some random jet ski enthusiast on the time line. But that’s the boring option. Marvel, please don’t be boring. (Marvel’s probably going to make it boring).

So, what are your theories?

#this ended up being longer than I expected #yes im delusional next question #please share any theories you have! #loki #mobius #mobius m mobius #lokius #loki series #loki theory #marvel #ouroboros #general dox #o.b. #spider-man #Mr Tesseract

[cherrishnoodles]

Idk if this makes sense, but talking abt the Jane/Thor and Lokius parallels, you guys know how Jane searched for Thor with her equipment because that's how she found him in the first place?

Do you guys think Mobius got some sort of understanding or like remembered that Loki found him on his timeline last time, so he went back hoping to find him again? Yk?? LIke Jane is doing ??? idfk I'm insane

#loki #lokius #loki s1 #loki s2 #loki series #loki theories #theory #theories #mobius #loki laufeyson #mobius m mobius #mcu #loki mcu #mcu loki #mobius mcu #loki x mobius

[mythgenderedloki]

OH GODDD

There's bikes and a basketball hoop.... Mobius has kids on the sacred timeline... MOBIUS HAS KIDS!!!!!!

(Not sure about the sheets tied into a rope out the window, rebellious teen sneaking out?!)

And Loki has to ask him to leave his family behind to save the TVA...

Mobius's biggest fear about having a good life on the timeline came true. Loki is the only one who knows this and he has to take Mobius away knowing this will make his fear a reality...

I'm crying and throwing up right now.

#loki #marvel #mcu #loki theory #loki tv show #mobius #loki show #loki spoiler #loki series #loki tv spoilers #lokius

[loki-who-remains]

I’ve been thinking about the significance of three.

The time keepers, however fake, were originally three. The war room has a triangular table where three people are supposed to be sitting at an equal distance from each other. Although there are five Kangs on the wall. In the end, there are many shots where people stand in three and almost always form an equilateral triangle. Yeah, it’s very cinematic and beautiful, especially in wider shots, but imo also symbolic in our case.

What if for the TVA to work properly it would actually require three people?

Someone who is practical and cares for order and people’s safety; someone who is more chaotic and can act quickly and effectively in ever changing circumstances; someone who thinks clearly, can mediate and decide at every moment how much chaos and order they need at any particular moment?

What if they have to be three?

#loki season 2 #loki spoilers #loki series #loki speculation #tva loki #sylkius #LWR's theories

[janehaster]

The TVA is located inside a black hole or in its orbit

Ourobouros' comment on black holes and Loki being spaghettified if he wasn't rescued in time made me suspect that the TVA is located inside a black hole or in its vicinity.

There's a book on black holes and the end of the universe in the credits. That's what got me thinking about the possibility. Also, spaghettification is a phenomenon specific to the nature of black holes.

The effect of time and space dilation caused by a black hole would explain why no one ages at the TVA. It's related to Einstein's Theory of Relativity. One year in the orbit of a black hole corresponds to roughly 700 to a thousand years in normal space. This means that, if anything survives inside or near a black hole, that life form wouldn't age as fast as we do. 

Mobius would take 50,000 years to reach his 50s if he lived inside a black hole since he was born, for example

And if some technology created by Kang managed to isolate the effects of high gravity, then it would shield the agency and protect everyone from spaghettification, making it viable for the TVA to work from within or near the black hole, but making it impossible to escape its gravity and travel to other places.

Hence why the TemPads open portals to other points in time and space, and no one at the TVA goes anywhere using space crafts. Maybe not even Kang was able to create a vehicle capable of escaping the titanic gravity of a black hole. Not without risking spaghettification, at least. Hence the use of portals that instantly materialize you where you need to be.

With that said, Kang studied the relation between time, space and gravity and mastered it to the point where he created a device that could gather “raw time” and spin it into manufactured strands of time, bringing order - an artificial order, mind you - to what we presume is a chaotic universe, doomed to branch into a Multiverse and its own total annihilation.

One question remains, though. Loki and Sylvie traveled to the Citadel at the End of Time, but the TVA was nowhere to be seen. Shouldn’t it be located somewhere in the vicinity and be visible from Kang’s castle, since it’s also not located anywhere within the Sacred Timeline, rather existing outside of it? And where is the Temporal Loom located, exactly? In the very center of a black hole or in orbit around it, along with the TVA?

So many questions 

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[loki-us]

I feel like we don’t talk about this scene enough. It’s the implication that Mobius knows every terrible thing Loki has ever done and has still never seen him as a villain because of it. It’s Loki intimidating Brad by saying that Mobius—the person who understands him best—would agree that Loki is capable of getting what he needs from Brad. It’s Loki admitting that Mobius is the one who knows him better than anyone else ever has. It’s the casual intimacy of the statement, just 3 ostensibly unimportant words thrown on at the end of a sentence that ultimately reveals how familiar and close they really are to each another.

#idk what is it about this scene #but it makes me go absolutely feral every time #Lokius #loki #mobius #mobius m mobius #breaking Brad #loki 2x02 #loki s2 #loki season two #loki series #loki season 2 #loki tv #thoughts-theories #my HEART #Loki-us blog #im screaming

[artthoufruity]

Odin sucks and Mobius doesn't hence Mobius isn't an Odin variant, case closed

#lokius #mobius m mobius #odin hate club #odin #loki series #loki theories #mcu loki

[sincka]

I think, in my opinion, that if Loki make it back and confess his love for Mobius and vice versa, Mobius would suggest to keep their love secret at the beginning.

Both of them aren't really experienced in serious and healthy relationships and mostly, they are friends. Both might be scared to ruin something by calling themselves lovers.

And Mobius being a sweetheart, he cares about Loki's feelings and he thinks that keeping their growing love secret would avoid pressure from the others (even tho we know they would be so happy and without judgement). Because it would make their relation official and the pressure could make them feel nervous and unsure.

"why keeping it secret ? We're not ashamed of it, are we ?" Loki would asks, filled with insecurities.

"we're not. Definitely not. Just give ourselves some time... Don't be so hard on us so soon. It's not a speed contest, it's a slow cruise. And let's be honest, we might know what we feel— we still don't know what the hell we're doing right now, so... Let's not make it more complicated than it is already. Just... Keep it simple. Between us. Until we know... Until we know what we truly want. Or rather... How we want it. I mean... I don't want us to be nervous more than we are now. Don't you agree ?" Mobius would reply.

And of course, Loki would understand. More than ever.

In fact, it would make their story even more meaningful. Searching for answers, together. Testing each other's boundaries. Learning to know each other more. Seeking for the right moment to cross the line between friends and lovers by experiencing their first kiss. All that while taking their sweet time, feeling like they're the only persons in the world as none of their friends knows about them being a thing. Like a honeymoon phase they live in one of the branches, with patience, love and consideration.

Even when Loki would come back to TVA after all this time, glad to finally see his friends again. While b-15, o.b. and Casey are all happy to see the duo back, Mobius and Loki would exchange soft gaze, full of meanings while they blush.

And once they're both ready and sure of themselves, they would even forget about their agreement and kiss in public without the slightest embarrassment.

And b-15 would gasp and smile as wide as she can.

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