That scene was like 90% mobius good lord if they’re not canon after that I’m burning it all to the ground
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the tragedy of loki is that his love language is dying for you and it's the only way he knows how to express love and so you only see it once before he's gone
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I realised what my issue with S2 Mobius was! His abrupt reversal from "I'm gonna burn this fuckin place downnnnn!!!" to "I love the TVA! They kidnapped me, but that was good! Also, I like pie!" is explained (too briefly) as repression/denial and not having any sense of purpose without the TVA, but it didn't feel to me like that was a logical progression for his character, an inevitable result of who he is, but more like the writer(s) wanted Jovial Office-Worker Mobius - perhaps the shallowest and least-interesting interpretation of him as he appears in S1 - and so the character is not allowed to be visibly upset or conflicted about his own life. It feels like he's been held back and reduced in complexity for the sake of convenience.
Sylvie's emotions being inconvenient for the Tedious Loom Plot led to her being largely absent and viewed as an irritable, irrational shrew, so Mobius did better than her in that he's allowed to be more easily "likeable" but he too is, while present, still being shunted to the side in a sense, because the story refuses to be about any of the things S1 left hanging/set up and wouldn't it be funny if Mobius suddenly liked food??? Ha ha ha, he likes cake pie! PIE!!! :D
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Are you dense or something?? Why are you acting like Loki learnt affection from Mobius like????saving Jane and all? Loki had been overly and openly affectionate with Thor for all his life and it only became weird from Thor 1 all the creators and actors have been very vocal about it, he cared about thors friends and protected their lives. Y'all really weird and just want to make everything about your ship when it's not.
I completely agree that deep down Loki has always had empathy and affection for Thor and those he cares about! I made a post on that here where Loki risks his life to save Jane and I mentioned some of that in the tags. I think Mobius’ impact on Loki was to give him freedom—to allow Loki to express his feelings, to show his affection, to be vulnerable and open in ways that he had previously only been taught were weaknesses. In 2x4, Loki talks about how Thor had been changed by Jane and how, at the time, Loki mocked him for becoming ‘weak.’ Because that’s what Loki had learned from Odin. He learned that he would only be worthy, he would only be good enough if he could achieve the throne, if he was seen as powerful and strong by others. When Loki tried to please his father by getting rid of their sworn enemies, it still wasn’t enough for Odin and Loki was cast aside for it. I think Loki never really knew how to express his affection and care in a way that wouldn’t lead to him being abandoned or looked down upon. Loki was taught that the only way to become powerful and worthy was to show no vulnerability, as he says in 1x1, the “elaborate trick” to inspire fear and control. He had absolutely no examples of how to show affection and still be respected for it.
Then when Mobius came along, he truly showed Loki how to trust and be open with another person, to show vulnerability and affection in a healthy and supportive way. Mobius told Loki ‘I see who you pretend to be but I know what parts of yourself you’re hiding and therefore I know you can be good.’ Mobius showed Loki that he didn’t need a throne to be worthy, he doesn’t need to pretend not to care to get others to look up to him, he can be gentle and he can trust others and those people will trust him back. Besides Loki’s mother, I think Mobius was the first person that believed in Loki’s goodness and gave him that freedom to express who he really is. Thor said multiple times that Loki could be better, could be more, but I don’t think even Thor ever really expected Loki to change. I think Loki’s interactions with Mobius gave him that freedom he never had to become gentler and more open throughout the series than he had a chance to be in the movies.
It’s true that I don’t think Mobius taught Loki how to care about people, I think Mobius was ultimately the first person that allowed Loki to just be, to express his trust and friendship without any expectations or judgement. Mobius transformed Loki’s views on how much someone is allowed to show of themselves and still be respected. Mobius said ‘you can trust me, you can be yourself, you can show me gentleness, and I will never mock you for it.’ I just don’t think Loki ever had anyone like that before and he never learned how to express his care before he met Mobius. Even if you don’t think they have romantic feelings for each other, Mobius clearly had a transformative impact on Loki’s sense of self, which Loki displays in his affection toward Mobius and interactions with other characters going forward.
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