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delyth88 · 29 minutes ago
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Infinity stones scene breakdown
This scene has been on my mind since seeing the first episode of the Loki series.  It’s just such a good scene, and does so many things, that I wanted to talk about it some more.
First up, Loki quietly enters the office.  You can hear an old phone ring in the background.  Loki pauses, shuts the door quietly, and then looks around hoping not to be noticed. 
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He spots Casey and goes over to him, and whispers “hey” to catch his attention. This is odd, because why would you attract the attention of the person you’re about to attack, but I think Loki doesn’t know enough about this place yet to be sure of where the tesseract might be.  He’s probably assuming it’s been moved to some high security facility.  But then Casey is oblivious to Loki’s sneaking and loudly, and it seems without much concern, says “hey” right back to him, “I know you, you’re that criminal with the blue box”. 
This surprises Loki and he grabs Casey by the shoulders and pushes him down behind the desk, out of sight of the rest of the office. All while shushing him.  I couldn’t help but be reminded of the shushing in Ragnarok.
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We then get this odd exchange, where Loki first asks Casey what his name is.  Casey is somewhat confused, but answers, and seems more annoyed than alarmed at this point.
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Loki then glances around the room with this uncomfortable look on his face, before he musters up the... something... to threaten Casey - “Give me the tesseract or I’ll gut you like a fish, Casey!”
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What’s going on here? He’s partly keeping an eye on his surroundings here in case one of the hunters arrives, and to make sure no-one is walking to close to hear him say what he knows is going to be somewhat louder than the previously whispered conversation.  But we’ve seen Loki be quiet and calculating before, and this is not that.  He looks very uncertain, and clearly uncomfortable.  I think part of that is because he knows he doesn’t have access to his magic, and he knows these people are strong enough that he can’t easily overpower them physically, so this is a huge risk for him.  Will Casey be cowed into doing what he asks? Is he threatening enough to him? Or will Casey shout out to the office for help?
This is also setting the scene for the later conversation with Mobius about not enjoying hurting people. Here we can see a dramatic change of expression and body language as he prepares for the threat.  He gathers himself, takes a deep breath, and then focuses all his attention on Casey - getting in close and looking down on him.
Casey responds “What’s a fish”
Loki is completely thrown by this response, and flips right out of Threaten Mode - “How do you not know what a fish is?”
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“Well I’ve lived my entire life behind a desk”
“Well, what difference does it make?”
“I want to know exactly what I’m being threatened with before I comply.”
“Death, Casey. Violent, painful death!”  And now that they’re back on familiar ground Loki engages Threaten Mode again. But only briefly, because as soon as Casey stands up to open his cart Loki loses his intimidating look and goes back to looking fearfully around the office in case this conversation has attracted too much attention.
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Casey opens the lid, and asks "This it?” as he hands it to Loki.  Loki  is still crouched on the ground and the drawer is at eye level.  When he glances in the draw his focus is on the tesseract and he doesn’t see the rest of the contents. He takes the tesseract and sighs in relief, examining it for a moment.  
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Once he’s sure it’s the real thing he looks back down into the drawer...
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...and sees the infinity stones. 
He leans over and grabs the edge of the drawer and I love the sad little clunk that the collar control makes as it hits the metal edge of the drawer.  What was a second ago the most important thing in Loki’s world - the tesseract, his means of escape, his way home, and the bargaining chip with Thanos - suddenly forgotten about.
“What?” 
He says this in such a flat tone of voice.  Carrying his confusion, disbelief, and that sense of well-today’s-been-full-of-ridiculous-things-against-me-so-why-not-another-one. 
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“Infinity stones?” 
He puts down the control for the time collar and his hand just hovers over them.  I love how this just shows how unprepared he was for this.  He’s not immediately scooping up an handful, he’s shocked and processing, and thinking about why they would be so casually stored in this unprotected drawer. And why there would be so many of them.
This is where the music picks up, having been unnoticeable up till this.  A kind of eerie wail that seems very appropriate, and also appropriately mystical for these items of such extraordinary power.
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And then I think this is the moment when he realises that whatever is going on here, that if a handful of infinity stones are just thrown in a junk drawer, then any hope he had of escaping through using the tesseract is gone.
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“H-, how..., how do you have these?” He’s temporarily at a loss for words, and his voice is so low and flat, no inflection at all. No plan. No hope at all. This is the moment when reality sinks in, that there’s no alternative but to do what he’s told (for the meanwhile at least). This is the moment that leads him to voluntarily go back to the Time Theatre and wait for Mobius.  He turns to Casey for an answer, but his tone of voice says he’s not expecting good news.
“Oh, we actually get a lot of those.  Some of the guys use them as paperweights.”
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Loki looks back in the drawer and he almost looks like he wants to cry or shout in frustration and confusion.  That feeling when everything’s against you and there’s nothing you can do about it. He picks up one of the time stones to examine.
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The slightly sad music of the TVA starts playing as he drops the time stone back in the draw, a little bit angry at them for existing, and deeply disappointed.
He looks up from the drawer and around the office, but this time actually paying attention to what he sees.  Re-evaluating these dull office workers. The music picks up here with the strings joining in.
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All the while Casey is just watching.  He might not understand this significance of what just happened, but he clearly no longer feels in any danger from this weird prisoner. He closes the lid of the drawer and then follows Loki.
Loki has clearly forgotten about Casey.  He has bigger things to think about. He stands up and wanders out into the middle of the office, not concerned about any of the staff worrying about him. Feeling every bit of his insignificance at this moment.
He wanders over to the screen showing the sacred timeline.  No-one takes any notice of him.
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And I love the look on his face here, though I don’t have quite the right words to describe it.  You can see that he’s been devastated by what he’s just seen, and he now has to build himself up from the ground. There’s a sort of grief here too, for his world that has completely changed, and possibly a little sliver of hope, or recognition of potential opportunity, but at a scale that he’s not even sure how to engage with just yet.
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And I think he’s thinking if this is true, then what of the things Mobius said might also be true.  If they can have multiple infinity stones lying around then perhaps the future he showed wasn’t a lie. He realises there’s no point in fighting anymore and I think if Hunter B-15 didn’t walk in the very next moment he probably would have just wandered back to the Time Theatre to find Mobius to answer all his questions.
I love Casey’s little head bob of acknowledgement that Loki’s right - this is the greatest power in the universe.
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crimethecrow · 4 hours ago
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Thinking about how everyone Loki knew is dead now because his timeline has been reset. His father is dead. His mother is dead. Thor us dead. They killed them all (and it seems like it's not a painless death if you look at the guy who got reset in episode 1). Loki has nowhere to go.
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alexjcrowley · a day ago
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I am now realising the Lokius community has, I believe, completely ignored something from episode 2.
We know, Owen Wilson is Texan and is mostly associated with cowboys, so some of us (me in particular) started associating Mobius with the cowboy character, but I just remembered something from episode 2, something that has been ignored.
In episode 1, we saw a scene (not greatly executed, I have read on the internet, and I must admit, if you compare it to the scene in Latin, this is true) in which Owen Wilson speaks French. He speaks, I believe, at least a decent French (I am not French so I shouldn't really be the judge of this). Most of us have simply thought "Okay, it is probably required to TVA agents to know a lot of languages" (for example, in the same scene a Minuteman says he speaks French too). And it ended here, right?
Au contraire, my fellow Loki fans. "Au contraire" is also the French expression Mobius uses deliberately during his conversation in the cafeteria with Loki.
Which should lead us to believe Mobius, during casual conversations, could slip some French (and also other languages') expressions.
Honestly, Mobius using some casual French expressions and petnames with Loki (such as mindlessly calling him "chéri", "mon amour", "mon coeur") would make me so happy! I think it would be very sweet.
(By the way, the problem I had with the scene in French is just that at some point Owen Wilson switches back to English in front of the kid when he says something like "That demon is afraid of us", but the child shouldn't be able understand him because he is speaking in English. Don't @ me for this, please. But @ me if you can provide some useful information or an insight for the language that was used in that scene, I am curious to understand if it was accurate or not.)
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Going to horny jail!
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countesskittymeow · a day ago
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And here we are for episode two. Couldn't watch it last night cz my kid woke up xD anywho, first thoughts, Im kinda digging this green and gold marvel logo a lot more than the boring red one xD
Mind control? Evil Loki Variant does mind control. I wonder if this Variant ever faced Thanos. Also! They used the song! Its one of my favourite songs!!! Now i wanna sing along but unfortunately I can't because my kid is asleep and I dont want to wake her up in the middle of the night. I do wonder why the variant kept the hot commander alive unlike all the other attacks
Why does the TVA have such a retro vibe?
Loki definitely wants everyone to know how awesome he is.
There used to be a HULK LOKI??? Also the look on Loki's face 🤣
The one after the hulk is just... I honestly don't have words to describe that one.. just wut???
I love the geeky Loki telling them about the nuances of magic (Im already creating a headcanon that this is an act and he's only showing them what they want to see i.e. an eager to please, slightly duplicitous version of Loki who wants them to know he's super useful to keep around)
Professor Loki. I do like the sound of that even if I suddenly flashed back to all of the harry potter crossover fics i used to read where Loki became a teacher at Hogwarts.
Mobius just gave Loki an answer from Doctor Who!!! Well sorta like that, not the same one but its all wibbly wobbly timey whimey stuff!
Loki is making his attempts at manipulation very very obvious and somewhat desperate. I'm really really reallllllly hoping this is an act. Come on writer people dont make me regret my decision to watch this show. I really wanna love it but I'm in that once bitten twice shy boat regarding the handling of his character so I'm either gonna come out of this series absolutely loving it orrrrrr I'm gonna hate it FOREVER and happily live in my headcanons.
It was an act! We finally see the real Loki! There is hope for this show yet!
Also the way his voice goes from the higher pitched eager to please tone to that deeper, slightly sinister yet 'i know I'm powerful and you should fear me' tone was fun to see.
This had better still be an act. He's supposed to be awesome at playing the long game.
He got shushed! So he shushed her back!
So wait... The total population on Asgard less than 10,000? Really?
Yeah Loki. Stabbing people in the back is boring. Stab them in the face! Much more fun that way.
Total Doctor Who vibes! They went to Pompeii! Ohhh imagine how fun it would be to see Doctor and Donna strolling somewhere in the background. Not that that would happen but now its my new headcanon and you'll have to stab me in the face to pry this headcanon from my claws xD
Loki, I'm loving your enthusiasm but the word Volcano was coined AFTER Pompeii's destruction. I doubt they know what you're talking about 😂 also, there's a volcano 'splodin! In the background, where the hell are the earthquakes?
Magic lizards. Loki really has a way with naming things doesn't he
Existence is chaos. Loki is the god of chaos. Since in algebra if a=b and b=c then a=c=a SO Loki is the god of existence and the variant Loki has already reached that conclusion so now the magic space lizards are feeling threatened by variant loki's potential and they want the variant dead to keep being the most powerful magic space lizards inside and outside of existence! Guys! I've just solved this season's plotline. If I don't live react to the remaining series episodes, know that I was found by you know who and taken for giving out spoilers.
Mobius: You're very clever!
Loki: and that surprises you? O_o
Asgard getting destroyed was a class seven apocalypse but the thin in 2050 is a level ten? I wonder how these classifications work.
The grin! The grin! They're both doing the grin!
You guys mean to tell me that NONE of the product packagings or designs have been altered or upgraded in thirty years? Dove, Axe, Vaseline, Tresseme, its all literally the same as the stuff I saw on the shelves at the grocers this week 🤣 i know it's a minor thing but I find that kinda hilarious.
Whyyyyyyy does Loki keep getting knocked around so much. Also, why isn't he using any magic. Grrrr... I find this most displeasing
She blond?!? Why is she blond??
Poor Mobius. I feel kinda sorry for him tbh.
And that's wrap on this episode. Still having mixed feelings about the series. There are parts that I like and then there are parts which keep bugging me. I'm not familiar with the various plotlines in the comics so I dunno whatever happened in those to the Loki though I find it interesting that Lady Loki (why is she blonddddd??? Why not make her a redhead instead? Loki was a redhead in most of the depictions pre-avengers, wasn't he?) has that broken horn on her headpiece like that one version from the comics.
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depressedtransguy00 · a day ago
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do any other people that are fans of both marvel and buzzfeed unsolved hope that Loki being DB Cooper in the series is going to be acknowledged in the true crime show?
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ironyscleverer · a day ago
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LOKI, Episode 1: Marvel’s Glorious Purpose
Disclaimer: This is both later than I had planned on posting and MUCH longer than I had planned on writing.This opener not only includes my thoughts on the first episode, but an overview of my entire relationship with Marvel, and how that will be coloring my viewing experience. In the future I hope to post each episode’s essay before the next episode comes out. 
Opener:
I have consumed a lot of content from the Marvel Cinematic Universe in my time. I have seen all four Avengers movies, all three Captain Americas, two-ish Iron Mans, two Thors, and a smattering of others, totaling at fifteen films. My favorites? Probably Thor: Ragnarok, and Captain America: The Winter Soldier. My least favorites? Definitely Doctor Strange, Age of Ultron, and (unpopular opinion) Guardians of the Galaxy.
But if asked, I would not say I am part of the MCU fandom. I enjoy the movies, but I grow tired of their polish. Though they will sometimes spin compelling narratives and witty dialogue, at the end of the day, fight scenes and explosions always take priority. I find it excessive, and driven by spectacle. I know that that is the whole point of an action movie and I’m not against it, but I’m not invested in it either. The movies fit into a time and place in my life, and do not go far beyond that.
Oddly, I enjoy the online fandom of the MCU more than the films themselves. There was a time when I was an avid Stucky shipper, and even read a small amount of MCU fanfiction. Social media content on Instagram and Tiktok can also be fun. I enjoy being in the in-group, and getting the references. Plus, the fandom tends to focus on the elements of the MCU that I am attracted to: the humor, world-building, and characters. Fan-made content takes what’s interesting to me about Marvel and improves it, exploring the universe with a depth, breadth, and self-awareness that I think the source materials do not.
I believe that the reason I am more connected to the fandom than the actual films is because the MCU is a corporate creation. The Marvel-Disney conglomerate creates content for the purposes of reaching the largest possible audience and ultimately making money. Economic incentives means that no risks can be taken. Nothing inflammatory in any way can be explored in these films. Everything must be done correctly, and as inoffensively as possible. If there are characters of color, they support the white man, with the exception of Black Panther. The same goes for female characters, with the exception of Captain Marvel (probably, I haven’t seen it). If characters are considered to be queer by actors or fans, it is not portrayed onscreen. The government can be criticized, but only within the acceptable parameters.
The parameters set by Disney are designed to attract a broad audience and avoid offense, but online media makes no efforts to please anyone outside of a small focus group. As a result, online fan culture does not shy away from breaking the rules. It is my perception that many online Marvel fans are young women and queer people, and their content reflects that; the MCU fanon is far more daring and colorful than it could ever be onscreen.
It is with this perspective on Marvel/Disney that I approached Loki, one of the most popular characters in the MCU internet fandom. Loki is the brooding badboy of the MCU, the tortured soul that make fans swoon. He’s a sassy villain but he’s also tormented and misunderstood. Maybe it’s the tropes, or maybe it’s just Tom Hiddleston’s voice, but Loki is a central feature of the MCU fandom.
In short, I am cynical about the intentions of any Marvel media because of its status as a corporate entity. The monetary incentives of a conservative approach mean that I am convinced that the show can never truly satisfy Loki’s core audience. So going into this this first episode I am curious to see how Marvel will choose to market the show. Will they try to attract a larger fanbase, or will they focus on pleasing existing fans? And if they choose the latter, how will they balance the radical desires of fans with Marvel/Disney’s conservative reputation?
Now, onto the actual episode… As I predicted, this episode was… a lot. In general I thought it was fun, if a bit heavy-handed thematically. I think I have a good idea of what direction it’s heading in. Here are my general comments:
The MCU knowledge required for this show tells me right away that it is intended for fans, and not really to attract newcomers. If anything, I would guess the show is intended to attract existing MCU fans to Disney Plus. While there is some explaining of the canon in the episode, it assumes for the most part that you have already seen the Avengers and Thor movies. The narrower scope indicates that this show will probably be somewhat more creatively/ideologically risky than the usual film standard.
For example, the episode contains clear themes of control and authority versus free will and independent thought. The TVA (Time Variance Authority) is presented as utterly impregnable, existing in a realm where even infinity stones hold no power. They dictate the flow of time, correcting those who deviate from their determined path. In theory, the TVA has complete knowledge and control over people’s choices across all of time and space. Loki, and Mobius to a lesser degree, are presented as counter to this system.
Perhaps in the context of Disney as a massive corporation, being anti-authority may be construed as “edgy.” After all, there is a certain amount of irony in the fact that this TV show was painstakingly crafted to suit Marvel/Disney’s needs, and yet it thematically focuses on being powerless against an oppressive system. But I would argue that the themes in this episode are not edgy at all due to one factor: Race.
The two characters we see acting against the system are white men, whereas the figures upholding the system are notably women and people of color (i.e. the judge, the police officer, and the desk attendant). This is tasteless, in my opinion, but more importantly it does not reflect reality. By making marginalized people the face of power, Disney reduces the danger of placing the main characters in opposition to the system. In other words, if Mobius had been the only Black agent for the TVA, and he chose to work with Loki against a predominantly white power structure, that would be a very different story. It would clearly be a commentary on real-life society, which could garner disapproval from some viewers. But because the reverse is true, portraying Loki and Mobius as rebels is “safe,” and does not damage Marvel/Disney’s reputation in any major way.
Analysis
I chose to analyze the first portion of Mobius’s interview/therapy session with Loki, from 21:00 minutes to 24:45. I chose this scene because covers a lot of important material in a short span of time, both in the dialogue and cinematography. Similar to my earlier reflection, I would say that the camera work in this scene tends to revolve around Loki’s helplessness, and highlights the power dynamic between him, Mobius, and the TVA.
The biggest thing that stood out to me in this scene was the usage of shot length. Much of the scene revolves around dialogue, which means there are a lot of traditional medium-shots of Loki and Mobius’s faces. However, there are also some close-ups and wide shots that correspond interestingly with the lines being spoken. The first lines of dialogue as they enter the room are cautious. Loki does not trust Mobius, and Mobius doesn’t seem to care either way. For much of their initial exchange he is not even looking Loki’s way. To match this dynamic, the shots between the two are medium-shots.
But this changes when Loki says the line, “I live within whatever path I choose.” When he says this, the screen cuts to a wide shot of the room, showing Loki and Mobius from behind. The screen, projector, and orange walls are clearly visible. The physical presence of the room in this shot is representative of the TVA’s omnipotence, a reminder to the viewer that despite his grand words, in that moment Loki has very little choice. His powerlessness is reinforced by Mobius’s next, carelessly spoken line: “Sure you do.”
After a short-lived escape attempt, Loki and Mobius sit down. Loki is wary, but he has no other choice but to sit and listen. The first few shots in the exchange are medium, dialogue shots, but then the screen cuts to a wide-angle at Mobius’s line, “I specialize in the pursuit of dangerous variants.” This wide shot shows the two sitting across from each other at the table, ostensibly as equals. But once again, the wide shot shows the viewer more of the setting, reminding us of the TVA’s presence.
In addition, this wide shot also shows the viewer the body language of the two characters. Mobius is clearly at ease; as he speaks his line, he opens a soda and takes a sip. Loki, by contrast, sits still with his arms crossed protectively across his chest. Though they are seated as if they are equals at the table, it is clear that Mobius is in control of the situation.
The camera cuts back to dialogue shots, and the conversation begins in earnest. Mobius says what he wants, and offers Loki unspecified help in return. The camera stays at the medium length for a few lines, but as they begin to discuss Loki’s plans to conquer the world, it slowly moves closer to their faces. You can see, particularly on the shots of Loki, that the projector (the round, orange thing) is slowly moving out of frame. This could mirror Loki’s increased focus on the conversation, and decreased awareness of his surroundings. Following this logic, it is important to note that in Mobius’s shots, though the camera moves closer, the projector is never out of sight.
The camera continues to move in and in until it is interrupted by another wide shot. At this cut, Loki was offended by Mobius’s questions (“Mock me if you dare”), and Mobius had to backpedal quickly to keep the conversation moving (“No, I’m not.”).
But after this little faux pas, Mobius seems to grow more sincere than before. The camera cuts back to his face, for the first time excluding the orange projector from the frame. He asks earnestly, “why does someone with so much range just want to rule?” Because the orange projector is no longer in frame, it is possible that Mobius is genuinely interested in Loki’s answer, rather than just asking for the TVA’s benefit.
The conversation continues. Loki recites his spiel about how choices are bad because people are stupid and always make the wrong decisions. By now, the camera has reached its closest point to both characters, creating a sense of intimacy. As such, it is particularly noticeable when Loki directs the conversation away from himself. After stating that almost all beings make the wrong decisions, Mobius says to him, “I’m guessing you don’t fall into that category?” Instead of answering, Loki laughs, and makes a comment about the Time-Keepers. Though it is unspoken, it is plain that Mobius has found a hole in Loki’s worldview, and that makes him uncomfortable.
The scene ends, and though it may seem as if nothing has changed, several things have been established. 1) The TVA has the power, and through them, so does Mobius. 2) Mobius uses the TVA’s power to his advantage, but he is not strictly using it to enforce the rules of the TVA. 3) Mobius has a plan, and it involves breaking down and rebuilding Loki’s core values.
A Brief Conclusion
Overall, I am impressed by the extent to which the show does subscribe to the fandom interpretation of Loki. The episode was chock-full of psychoanalysis and humor (and don’t forget, a scene of Tom Hiddleston shirtless), elements that I perceive to be major parts of the fandom. I am also impressed by the technical elements of the episode. True to Marvel’s usual polish, there is no doubt that the show is expertly done.
Despite these things, the show is about as conservative as I expected it to be. Though it fulfills many of the fandom’s core desires (character and humor), the episode still maintained a pointedly uncontroversial social stance. I am interested to see how they will maintain that stance in future episodes, especially in conversation with their commitment to at least a small amount of fan-service.
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[SPOILERS FOR LOKI EP. 1-2]
as much as i love the crack-y slant the loki series has taken so far, i do wish the narrative would take loki a little more seriously. like when he learned about ragnarok it was a heart-wrenching moment, but then like thirty seconds later he’s dumping salt and pepper into mobius’s salad. i absolutely loved that scene, i’m not saying they should have taken it out, but... i want to let the feels linger a little longer. i want to see more slivers of angst poke through the crack-y exterior of the show. ditto for episode 1 - i would’ve appreciated the emotional ending better if the entire first half hadn’t been mocking loki.  it’s just hard to appreciate the emotional moments when everyone (including the writers) are making fun of loki the whole time.
again, i love what they’ve done so far, i just want more balance. i’m happy that they’re playing off of the ridiculous side of loki we started to see in ragnarok, but i miss the bitter, angry, deadly loki from thor and avengers. i also miss... loki being smart, i guess? it’s not exactly that he isn’t smart, but his writing is patronizing. like i said, i’m fine with that, i just don’t want it to be like that the whole time. i love loki’s multifaceted character and i don’t want this one facet of him to overpower all the others.
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runekeepershymnal · a day ago
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Watching the first episode of Loki and
1. Okay, dang, that makes more sense. I was wondering why the Tennessee Valley Authority was the big scary government org.
2. I kinda ship Loki and the sexy competent TVA lady who brought him in, but I suspect she's too good for him.
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wowitslowki · 2 days ago
NO CUZ THE LOKIUS/DEANCAS PARALLEL IS MAKING ME UNHINGED
LOKI HAS SPENT LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF YEARS OLD AND HAS DEVOTED HIS LIFE FOR HIS GLORIOUS PURPOSE AND THEN HE GOES TO TVA AND HE FINDS OUT THAT FREEWILL IS A SHAM AND THAT HE WAS ALWAYS MEANT TO BE THIS ONE, STATIC THING—A FOOTNOTE IN THE WRITTEN BOOK OF THE UNIVERSE—AND THAT HE WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE MORE THAN THAT
AND THEN THERE’S MOBIUS, WHO IS BOUND BY HIS DUTY AND OBLIGATIONS. HE BELIEVES, MAYBE MORE SO THAN ANYONE, IN THE SACRED TIMELINE AND SURE HE HAS HIS DOUBTS AND HIS DESIRES BUT ULTIMATELY HE KEEPS HIS FAITH. THEN HE MEETS THIS LOKI, WHO IS NEVER EVEN SUPPOSED TO EXIST, BUT THEY’RE MAKING IT UP AS THEY GO—AND HE HAS SO MUCH???? FAITH??? IN LOKI??????? LIKE HE BELIEVES THERE IS SO MUCH MORE THAN THE PAIN AND SUFFERING?????
AND LOKI DOESN’T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THAT???? HE HAS SPENT ALL THOSE YEARS BEING THE SON HIS FATHER NEVER WANTED, A BROTHER OVERSHADOWED. THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS REACHED OUT TO HIM AND BELIEVED IN HIM WAS THOR AND LOOK HOW HE FUCKED THAT UP. BUT THEN MOBIUS, WHOM HE BARELY EVEN KNOWS, BUT APPARENTLY HAS KNOWN EVERY FACET OF HIS LIFE. THIS WAS SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HIM, PROBABLY EVEN BETTER THAN HIMSELF AND STILL CHOSE TO SEE THE GOOD, AND HE FUCKING VALUES THAT. HE DOESN’T WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT MIGHT FUCK THAT UP SHHSHSHSHDHHEHSHSHSHHS
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OK BESTIE BECAUSE YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EXACTLY !!!!!!
LOKI’S LINE OF “That means that, you and I, here in the TVA, we are the only ones with true freedom” IS JUST “Dean, you asked me, what about all of this is real. We are”  AM I WRONG???????????????
ALSO,, THE SMALL TOUCHES,,, THE TIE FIXING, FEELING SECURE ENOUGH TO FALL ASLEEP NEXT TO HIM (VERY DEAN),,, ALSO LOKI BEING FORCED TO BETRAY MOBIUS BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT CONFLICTS HE’S FORCED INTO,,,, FEELING AS IF MOBIUS WOULD EASILY WANT TO KILL HIM IF HE SAW HIM AS UNREDEEMABLE,, (VERY CAS)
MOBIUS WAS THE FIRST PERSON BESIDES FRIGGA TO TRULY UNDERSTAND LOKI AND APPRECIATE HIM AND STICK WITH HIM DESPITE EVERYTHING HE HAD DONE AND CONTINUES TO DO. AND LOKI DOESN’T REALLY KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT. THERE’S THIS PART OF HIM THAT TELLS HIM HE SHOULD JUST BETRAY HIM AND TAKE OVER THE TVA TO GET POWER, BUT THERE’S ALSO THAT PART OF HIM THAT UNDERSTANDS THAT POWER ISN’T EVERYTHING, HE DOESN’T WANT POWER, HE JUST WANTS A CONNECTION WITH SOMEONE. HE NEEDS TO BE LOVED. 
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countesskittymeow · 2 days ago
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Its time to watch some Loki! Tbh I had debated if I wanted to watch it episode by episode as it got released or if I wanted to binge watch it when ALL of it was released. (Netflix has me spoiled guys xD) I thought I could stay strong and hold off until I could binge but I'm a weakling and here we are, about to start our adventures with Loki which apparently includes a rehash of endgame... Can someone please delete that movie from my brain btw? I'd very much rather live with my headcanons xD
Wait... Really Loki? You start with the 'glorious purpose' line? Also wait, does his AllSpeak not work in this place? Is it an alternate timeline already?
Okay the slow motion blow is friggin hilarious but... Couldn't he have had one moment of badassery before he got taken down?
Okay on the one hand, his armour got destroyed. On the other... His armour got destroyed.
For a guy who's lived for over a thousand years, AND spoken enough to be known as Silvertongue, you'd think that pile of word sheets would be a lot bigger. Also, he signed his name in English? XD
I feel like if it weren't a Disney show, that finger Loki raised might have been the middle one xD
Awww, poor poor Loki. "What if I was a robot and I didn't know it.' it hasn't even been ten minutes and I wanna steal him and hide him away
So wait... All the TVA people so far a humanoids. I wonder if there are any alien looking recruits in the agency...
You can smell the cologne of two Tony Starks. I wonder what that smells like Loki
This does feel like a killing me kind of room. Oh Loki, if I didn't know that you're the main Loki of this show, I would have totally agreed with you on that
Awww, Loki wanted to be the big bad and now he's grinding his teeth cz he got called a pussycat 🤣
Okay, I'm not really sure I like this dynamic they're creating so far...
Pouty Loki is still kinda adorable though.
And now he's getting emotional over the fact that he doesn't really have any control over the situation. Could be an act but but that doesn't mean it also couldn't be real. This Loki has only just gotten free of Thanos's clutches after being tortured for over a year. How come no one has mentioned that yet?
Loki stole the looper thingy, didn't he? He did!!
Loki wants to know his name so he can properly threaten Casey 🤣
Oh Casey, Loki has no patience for your boring life story. Hand over the tesseract or suffer 'violent painful death!'
Uh oh... The severity of his situation is finally dawning on him... Poor poor Loki.
He's crying...
Finally! The badass Loki I was waiting for!
Also, interesting intro for the other Variant. im definitely curious to see where this goes but Im still split on whether I like this show or not so far.
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When did we all collectively decide to ignore the fact that Lokius will probably never be canon? And the possibility of Mobius getting killed or something because Loki escaped? Guys... I am NOT okay.
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sapotillam · 2 days ago
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Theories, theories, theories!
I've seen all these posts claiming that Mobius is adorable and reliable but... I don't know, I'm just not sure we can really trust him. Hear me out, I'll explain.
In the first episode, we learn that Mobius is specialized in dangerous variants. That means he can handle hard situations, violence, evil tricks and everything. He can handle this, he can control variants acting madly. So he's clearly not as ingenuous and sweet that we seem to think. He's clearly capable of being as mean and sneaky as Loki himself : don't forget, Loki is an easy one for him! He's seen -and defeated- much worse than the God of Mischief, who by the way intended to kill millions of people.
Talking of God of Mischief. Remember the interrogatory scene? The one where Mobius shows Loki the most painful parts of his existence (at least accoring to 2012 Loki), like his ennemies - who he just left - getting stronger and stronger because he couldn't defeat them, or his mother's death? The one where Mobius shows Loki how powerless he is in the TVA, putting him where he wants like an object? And the talking. The talking is the worst part. He tried to manipulate Loki, okay, fair enough-he had to do something to control him. But he did it in a cruel way that he could have avoided. Bringing up his mother's death to make him look like a fool? Mobius could have picked up any other example. He could have mentionned the countless times Loki tried to kill Thor, or even his last defeat, where he got captured by the Avengers and totally missed his goal: he would have proven his point, Loki wouldn't be able to kill him. But he chose the most sensitive event, the one which would hurt Loki for sure, and which Loki wasn't even aware of before he arrived in the TVA. He asked Loki if he enjoyed killing people, but it's as if himself quite enjoyed torturing Loki like this - in a subtler way, I must admit, but still.
And even if we didn't consider all of this. Let's pretend that he just applicated the interrogatory methods of the TVA, that this has nothing to do with his personnality. That might be possible! Let's say he's an adorable teddy bear (I'm exagerating, but let's say he's innocent and friendly).
In that case, would he be such an important agent of the TVA? I mean, we've seen what simple-minded persons become: they go with Casey behind desks and don't move. If Mobius was so ingenuous, that's where he would be. But he's far away from that position! He's got so much influence that he can interfere with the court's decision in two words. He can ask Ravonna for extra-missions without troubles, he can even decrate that a variant - someone who's supposed to be desintegrated - can work with him ! And let's not forget how many missions he has already lead, which Rovanna kept tracks of. AND, once again, he is specialized in dangerous variants. I can't believe that someone sweet as sugar who just wants to eat his salad would have gone this far.
Which leads me to think of this: why does he act most of the time as this sweet-as-sugar person? If we accept that he must have important abilities, why does he hide them? He shows his authority, that is fact: he can lead a team and tell Loki what to do. But I've got the strange feeling that he's acting to sweet for his real personnality.
I'm not saying Mobius is evil, cruel and merciless. But he has something in him that we shouldn't ignore. He's not as sweet and innocent as people seem to see him...
I don't know yet if that has anything to do with what he wants from Loki. Maybe he actually likes him (which seems difficult though, since in 2012 he's a mass murderer and chaotic psychopath - but after all, even then we all loved him), maybe he's using him for his own goals, maybe he doesn't actually care of him that much and just add him to his plans. We'll see. But I just wanted to share theses thoughts on the serie while we wait for the next episode.
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bebx · 3 days ago
Atleast marvel was generous enough to give us a glimpse of Jotun Loki again ..
Jotun Loki is beautiful and I hope we’ll see more of him in the series. I mean I believe there’s still a good chance we will because the series is about Loki finding out his own identity and accepting who he is. So I don’t think Marvel would say that and only have that little glimpse of Jotun Loki we saw in the second episode be all there is to it when Loki is literally a Jotun.
I know I could be wrong about us seeing more of him as a Frost Giant, but man I really do hope we see more of his Jotun form.
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Look at him he’s gorgeous
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jsimonew · 3 days ago
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Excuse my spam, y’all, but did Mobius really say “after you” to Loki and then look at his ass ?? 🤡
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