@10catslover @random-ass-fanboy ugh I guess this is how I’m doing this because apparently there still isn’t a better way to reply to replies in new posts, anyway these are replies to this post
my impression is that it’s because...a lot of Loki fans are also big Tony Stark fans, for a variety of reasons (the same reasons Frostiron is almost certainly the biggest Loki ship that isn’t Thorki, and for that matter I don’t actually know how the two compare to each other in numbers). I mean there are other reasons to be frustrated, like the fact that they’re both magically powerful in comics and only one of them gets to be that way in the MCU, or the way MCU Loki and MCU Wanda both started out as significant enemies of the Avengers for kinda complicated reasons and the writers only gave one of them a chance to earn forgiveness and fight for the good guys when in any just world Loki would’ve had that chance a while ago too...although as far as the latter goes, Nebula represents an even more egregious case because as far as I’m aware she’s still pretty solidly a villain in comics--one you can’t help feeling bad for, but a consistent and mostly intentional villain anyway--and she got a definitive redemption arc in the MCU regardless, and I...don’t typically see Loki fans hating her for that? I mean, they shouldn’t, I love MCU Nebula and her arc, but I am mad MCU Loki didn’t also get to have basically the same arc like he deserved, especially when I consider that his comics counterpart seems to have a much more complicated history than Nebula does, which means you can’t even go “well one is a Hero in comics and the other is a Villain” as a way of explaining it the way you can with Wanda and Loki. obviously Nebula is not the one on everyone’s minds right now, which I’m sure has something to do with it!
but--yeah, my sense is that this pattern of some Loki fans disliking Wanda is largely because a lot of Loki fans are also Tony fans, and generally speaking, Tony fans tend to not like Wanda very much because of how she was introduced in Age of Ultron...and then Civil War compounded the issue...and the reverse is also true to some extent, so it kind of turns into a nasty feedback loop where, for instance, someone who likes one character and is indifferent to the other starts actively disliking the second character because that character’s fans dislike their fave, and the more defensive people get about their faves, the more they tend to go on the offense and the nastier everything gets.
just taking myself as an example, my knee-jerk response--which I usually don’t actually say, I just silently seethe about it--whenever I see Wanda-negative posts (or Steve-negative posts because there’s typically a lot of overlap there too) basically boils down to “yeah well what about YOUR fave’s death count, what about all the shit YOUR fave gets away with, why is YOUR fave’s trauma a meaningful reason for his actions but my fave’s trauma isn’t, how about THAT”...even if the post in question never actually mentioned Tony. I mean, it usually does at some point in the reblogs or in other posts so I think my assumption is justified, but it’s also true that I automatically assume someone’s Steve or Wanda negativity is a direct result of them loving Tony whether the post itself gives me a reason to think that or not, so my defensive reaction of my faves immediately jumps to what is probably a preemptive attack on Tony’s flaws because of the assumptions I’m making...and again, I suspect the reverse is also basically true (i.e., people who were mostly indifferent to Wanda start disliking her more because they see what seems to be random Tony-bashing from Wanda fans).
so it’s all just...one big nasty feedback loop that I really wish we could all try harder to avoid. like...there are probably ways we can criticize narrative treatments of different characters without actively shitting on those characters, right? or, I don’t know, focusing more specifically on “here’s why I think Character A keeps getting shafted and it sucks, especially when Characters B through G do similar things that are portrayed differently, which is a problem of writing and not one of those characters and their fans inherently being The Worst” rather than “Character A keeps getting shafted and that’s why I made 10 posts in a row about how much I hate Character B”? or at least really trying to look at things in good faith instead of jumping straight to “Character B’s stans are delusional”? I mean fuck, we’re all here because we love something about the fandom, right? can we...try to focus on that? can we at least stop calling each other delusional (a specific thing that seems to come up a lot) for having different opinions and interpretations?
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don’t @ me, just be reasonable and like both characters so I can follow Loki blogs without constantly seeing snide remarks about a female character who’s experienced an incredible amount of trauma over a pretty short period of time
or just ignore the character you don’t like, that’s also a good option
[image description: the “What if I told you...” meme image of Morpheus from The Matrix, captioned “What if I told you...it’s possible to be mad about how the MCU treats Loki without shitting on Wanda in the process”]
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