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martianbugsbunny · 5 months

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Personally i doubt thor knows loki loves him

U know what I'm gonna take the challenge on this one. Now, this post will only discuss their relationship in the movies before Ragnarok, because I don't really like that movie and I think it did a great disservice to both the characters and their relationship; the brightest and best of them comes from Thor, Avengers, and Dark World in my opinion, so I will be talking about what I love rather than what I have at best apathy for. Sticking it under the cut (it got looooong because I love to think about their dynamic), so if you want my opinion, read on, and if you've seen enough opinions for a lifetime and don't want any more, scrumble away and have a lovely day

Okay so let's start with Thor. In the beginning of that movie, there is absolutely no doubt in Thor's heart that Loki loves him, and here's why: Thor is an arrogant man who is largely blind to the things he doesn't agree with or understand. He has this mentality of other people just being made to love and adore him, because he's the future warrior king of Asgard, he's the golden boy, and because Asgard's people really do love and adore him, so his arrogance is only being confirmed by other people's actions. And of course, there's nobody who should love and adore Thor more than his brother, right?

Now, here's where I want to digress for a minute to talk about how incredibly unhealthy their relationship is. Thor kind of has the same outlook that Loki expresses in Avengers, that people are beneath him, and that's why they should all be looking up to him with awe and praise, and that extends even to his own brother. He tells Loki to mind his place and kind of brushes off his advice, because even though they're brothers and that's the closest anyone could get to being his equal, it's still not enough. Thor views Loki as another person who is beneath him, but who ultimately can't do anything but look up to him and love him.

This is an illusion.

Loki does love Thor. Their relationship, with how complicated and messy it is, only works if they truly love each other, and they do. But it's not the blind, adulating love that Thor expects. It's a jealous, aching love. Loki craves being equal to Thor, a problem that's only exacerbated by the way Thor denies him that position. He craves to be loved as he's assumed to love. And the problem with a love like that is how quickly it can turn. If Thor won't give Loki the affection he needs, then Loki isn't going to show Thor affection the way Thor wants him to, either.

That first movie is in multiple ways a brutal awakening for Thor. He's not the man his father wants him to be. His entire life he's been training to be king and then that future seems like it's been ripped away from him. He has his power and then it's all gone. And his brother, this person around whom he's constructed a narrative of almost reverent adoration, suddenly turns against him, tries to keep him in exile and then to kill him, tries to take the life that was promised to Thor. That looks absolutely nothing like the love Thor has believed Loki feels for him.

I would feel some doubt at that point. I think anyone would. My sibling tried to kill me. Does he still love me? Did he ever love me?

And to add to that natural doubt, Thor doesn't understand Loki. He never really has. He doesn't know what it's like to be, as Loki says later, living in the shade of someone else's greatness, the trickster brother who's never really trusted, let alone lauded. And correct me if I'm wrong, but even by the end of Thor, he doesn't know what really tipped Loki off the deep end. He doesn't know that Loki's just found out he's a Jotun in a land of Asgardians, that he's the very thing he's been brought up to hate and fear, so Thor doesn't understand why Loki is acting so erratically, which must compound the doubt for him. From his point of view it's like a light switch flicked and now Loki's trying to kill him, which increases the did he ever? question. Was it always a facade? And I don't think Thor ever quite realizes the illusion he built around Loki, the difference between his expectations and reality to begin with, so he also wouldn't be seeing that it's not quite instantaneous, that there were years of building resentment and longing that contributed to the tipping point of Loki's changed behavior.

So by the end of Thor, yes, he's got to be wondering if Loki loved him.

But when Thor appears in Avengers, do you remember what plea he makes? He says I grieved for you, I want you to come home. That's not the kind of thing you say to someone you think doesn't care about you. That's a plea to the heart. That's Thor trying to get to the love he knows is in there somewhere, behind everything else that's built up around Loki's heart; that's Thor saying I know you still love me, I don't know what changed, but please let our bond be enough to fix it. Whatever he's been thinking about between the events of those two movies, he's moved past that doubt enough to think maybe Loki's love for him will be enough to bring him home, even if some part of him expects Loki to say no anyway. We know that in the interim he learned of Loki's status as a Jotun, so maybe Thor's even begun to try to understand. Maybe he's been thinking about the fact that life got very hard and very confusing for Loki very suddenly, and he wonders if now that some time has passed, there's a chance Loki wants to come back and work through it with him and their parents. When he says "we were raised together, we played together, we fought together," he's not just trying to convince Loki that he's loved, he's trying to remind Loki of his own love.

Again, during the Battle of New York itself, Thor makes a similar plea. He offers that he and Loki stop the fight together, and his eyes are so incredibly soft when he says it, you know he believes it can still work. That belief comes from knowing there's something in Loki that wants to say yes, something that loves Thor enough to give up his dream of kingdom and stop the invasion. His use of together is interesting not just because he's offering Loki a way out, putting it on the table that Loki can exercise his heart and choose a better path, but also because he's finally putting Loki on the same level he is. We can do this, we can return home, you just have to find some part of you that loves me enough to choose equality with me in this fight over equality with me in having thrones. He also holds back when he's dueling Loki, which is a horrible idea if you actually believe a person has the capacity to kill you, but if you don't believe that, it's an ultimate show of trust. Thor kind of puts his life in Loki's hands by not using his full strength, and only after Loki rejects his offer and stabs him does he finally use more brute force, although it's still not enough to kill Loki or even knock him out. Thor really believes, not just wants to believe, that Loki will not kill him given the chance, that there is something in him that wants to go home, and it's all because Thor, after all his shattered illusions, still believes there is love for him in Loki's heart, even if it has been touched and twisted by anger and pain.

In Dark World, Thor is much more pessimistic when he breaks Loki out of jail. He basically says that his brother is no longer in there, that he won't hesitate to kill Loki if he steps out of line. I think this is important to note because Thor isn't saying I don't believe you love me anymore, he's saying the person who loved me is dead and this shell is all that remains. Thor says he no longer has hope, but he's still clinging to that belief that Loki did love him, in his own way, and he would rather view Loki as dead than let go of it.

But beyond that, there's the fact that he not only lets Loki out of the handcuffs, he gives Loki a knife. Once again, you don't give a weapon to someone you wouldn't trust not to kill you, and you don't trust someone you've had so much tension with not to kill you unless you believe they love you. Loki says "trust my rage" re: Frigga being killed, but I would argue that actually wouldn't go in his favor. Thor has seen what Loki resorts to when he's not processing his emotions in any way other than rage: he attacks Thor, he falls into perfidy, he just lashes out at the closest target. And even despite that, despite having fought Loki in Thor and in Avengers, having witnessed firsthand what destruction Loki was willing to either cause or help facilitate, Thor still gives him a weapon and trusts that Loki isn't going to kill him. There is clearly still a part of Thor that is saying he loves me, he's not going to kill me.

Of course, by the end of that movie, Thor is rewarded in his faith. Loki stabs Kurse to save Thor, and it appears to cost him his life, and as he's dying, what does Thor say? Stay with me. In essence, loving me so much you'll die for me isn't enough, love me so much you'll stay alive for me. It's not a rational thing to say to someone who appears to be bleeding out; a person can't generally stave off death on willpower alone when they've been stabbed in the gut. Thor always ends up speaking to Loki's heart, because he knows that heart is bitter and full of rage and grief but also love, even though Loki is absolutely horrible at expressing it most of the time. I want to talk about why Loki might've faked his death and taken Odin's place at the end of that movie in another post, but part of me really thinks he chose that specific way to fake his death because he wanted Thor to see that Loki did love him, and that was the only way he could think of to reach out without actually having to confront his own pain and the enormity of the breach between them. Now, the "I didn't do it for him" could be taken one of two ways: it was actually for Frigga, or it was actually for Thor. I'm very much inclined to believe the latter, as Thor is the one present in the scene. Also, the expression on Thor's face when Loki says that is so frozen, like yes, I wanted more than anything to be told that you still care, but not like this. And it feels like Loki is doing his best to communicate that he does love Thor, but his communication skills, especially with Thor, are severely distorted, partially by that unhealthy relationship they had early on where he most likely never felt entirely welcome to speak his true feelings, and partially by the chasm that opened between them when Loki went into his downward spiral of destruction, both of himself and of others. I genuinely think Loki doesn't know how to just say it. To quote myself from an earlier post I made about Loki, he feels like "there’s no way he can possibly repair the relationships he’s broken," so he doesn't try to apologize and make up for it. Like someone else (I forget who) has already said, sacrifice is the way Loki makes up for things. So he gives Thor this image of a sacrifice, the ultimate expression of love and devotion, because he doesn't know how else to say it.

What's the point of all this? Thor knew Loki loved him. That's the whole point of their story. Their love for each other is the cornerstone on which that immense cosmic narrative is built. Even with doubt, anger, bitterness, frustration, grief, pain all complicating their relationship and getting in the way of actually expressing love to each other, the fundamental truth of Thor and Loki is love. Is faith. Is hope. Is saying maybe you don't know how to say it, maybe you're trying to shut it down, but I know there is something in you that loves me and that's the part I choose to believe in.

Thor knew Loki loved him.

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sesamenom · 6 months

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just finished watching loki (verdict: no idea what they're doing but it's very shiny) so here's some more elf-ified marvel!

he's a House of the Tree sinda who survived the fall of gondolin and later sailed w/ the rest of the folk of the tree and various laiquendi during the mid-second age. (the horns are styled after dragon/balrog horns that he wears as a self defense thing after witnessing ecthelion's death) valinor he takes up an apprenticeship with Námo and gets himself some therapy in the halls

#not silm #marvel #loki #crossover #elfify #had lots of fun with this design #he was actually really easy to elfify from his s2 finale design #rearrange some fabric; swap out his time cape thing for a sinda styled one; add some armor and keep the goofy shoes; and voila #he started wearing horns after he saw ecthelion headbutt gothmog and figured it might be a good idea to do that on purpose #show-loki is one of the few non silm characters who might actually benefit from getting adopted by maglor #hes already an orphan and his brother can probably fend for himself so really what's maglor going to do orphan him again #now hes just hes sad and lonely and accomplished very little in the long run and can probably relate to maglors lamenting #it might be healthy for him to write a lament idk

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dobbiamo-capire · 9 months

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So I was wondering with how everyone is saying that Ferrari is wasting Charles and his talent, how would you feel as an Italian and how everyone would feel if he left Ferrari -which I think is near impossible, he wouldn’t want to become a second driver for Max, Lewis isn’t retiring anytime soon, and McLaren has Oscar and Lando, so I don’t see him leaving-

Good morning anon you really woke up and chose to make me cry😭 /j

I mean those rumors of a 2+3 years contract makes me a little more sure about him and his sick love for Ferrari but until it’s true in the stone i would just remain pessimistic

And let’s say he chose to not renew with Ferrari. Or better, for some reasons Ferrari chose to not renew him. Because I really don’t see Charles refuse a contract with Ferrari. He says it’s his dream and we believe it. Because Charles has something that Carlos and others drivers in the past don’t have: he’s a tifoso. He is not a simple fan or has respect or just a wish to be in red, no, he is the manual of an hardcore tifoso. It doesn’t matter what shitshow Ferrari trows at you and how much bad it can be out there, the brief moments when things got RIGHT you are overwhelmed by the joy of achieving them with the red team. And the tifosi KNOW it, they know when a critic is made with love or not. We want Charles to be mad ad Ferrari because we know he loves it, we don’t stand other drivers or other fans doing it because they don’t understand how it is to be a tifoso of Ferrari.

All of this to say that WHEN Charles won’t renew anymore (because we know that time will come, he can’t race forever) tifosi will be devastated and if it’s before time they will be angry (not at Charles, never at Charles) to Ferrari because it will definitely be their fault. Because it’s really hard find someone that is in Ferrari that loves Ferrari like a tifoso does, and having someone “of our own” in that car is what keeps us watching and hoping for better days. And if you remove the hope, you remove the passion and everything connected to it.

What we hope and what we actually see Charles will be in years to come is being with the FDA. He never stopped being interested in FDA, he’s invested in juniors since karting with his team and I can really see him bringing up the next Ferrari hope like Jules did to him

#omg sorry for the long answer i got carried away #maybe i should post my sad affectionate rant to Tumblr too #so you can have a view about all the emotions of being a Tifos mess #ask loki #anon ask #charles is the first tifoso #never forget about it

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worstloki · 7 months

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sigyn that married loki like ages ago so when it comes out he's jotun she's like. 'well it's a bit late to do anything about that'

#''bit sad to find out about this after his death but i suppose i can't blame him for that :/''#''tell me if he ends up not being dead i think we should sit down and talk about this''#''totally not cool so hide something like this. im going to dye my hair black as charcoal and not even tell him''#''lets see how he likes it''#''the royal family sucks btw. it succ real good.''#''how does someone find out they are secretly from a different realm. how wouldn't they know. couldn't he tell?''#''im not saying it's loki's fault but i think it would be less his fault if he was less dramatic about this kind of thing''#''aaannnndd of course he threw himself off the bifrost by the end of it. do you people know nothing about him?''#sigyn just decides loki isn't dead to cope btw #it's like thor except she doesn't get depressed about it #''shouldn't she move out of the palace since her husband died?'' nah sorry no one can stand bringing up the topic #she roasts them about it #like have you no shame #there is not even a body #are you trying to kick her out? don't you know who she married?#''he's dead'' alright believe what you want but odin and frigga haven't said anything so she's sticking around #sigyn like i have more important things to do than worry about this kind of thing. like managing the vanaheim exports #she needs to make her money

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head-empty-river · 6 months

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loki started out as homura and became madoka by the end wtf my gay little heart hurts so much rn

#loki spoilers #loki season 2 spoilers #loki s2 ep6 #madoka magica #madoka magica spoilers #mobius would never become homura #but maybe mobius can join him there #so he doesn't have to be alone #i'm so sad #it was a pretty good ending all things considered #but still #not what i wished it would be

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your-local-hyperfixater · 6 months

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There was something so heartbreaking about how scared of being alone Basim was when he realized he would never see Nehal again. She might not have been real, but she was real to him and to me 😔. There was terror in his voice when he asked if he would be alone. Nehal was his best friend, his past and present. She was his constant companion throughout his childhood, a time when he probably felt very alone. His father is dead and he has to find a way to survive. He is alone. No parents, no brothers, no one. Yet there was Nehal. The one who he could always find. The one who kept him company. The one who kept him grounded and focused on important things. It was her face he saw when he awoke from his nightmares. It was her who comforted him and tried to help him get rid of them. It was her who appeared when he felt alone or conflicted. She was there when he needed her the most. At Alamut, he was never really alone. He was surrounded by people who encouraged him and cared about him. But when he left, she was there for him. They may have drifted apart, but you can't deny that they still loved each other (platonically). They had differing opinions and motivations, but they would still find peace in each other's presence. Their friendship was one of devotion and care for one another. There was never any fear that Nehal would abandon Basim. She always told him that she would never leave him and stay by his side forever. No matter where he was, he knew Nehal was out there. He knew she would be back in Anbar. She was his home, everything familiar to him. The part of him he could never leave behind. The part of him that would haunt him if he had not gone searching.

Now, he will never see her again. He will never talk to her again. He will never joke with her again. He will never hug her again. He will never rest knowing she would be there to wake him if he had a nightmare again. He will never hear the words he so desperately needs again. He will never be able to return to Anbar and find the house inhabited by a familiar face again. She is gone, and he will be alone. Not even a mentor to guide him. With Nehal's "death," Basim also died. He is now Loki, with all of his rage.

While Nehal was the manifestation of Loki and her appearance was concurrent with Basim's nightmares and him getting closer to the truth, that isn't how he saw it !! He associated her with comfort and home !! He never pieced it together. Why would he? His feelings were real and genuine. They were the truest besties ever

#basim and nehals friendship was so... pure??#it was never romantic and their personalities clashed a bit at times but they still stood by each other when it counted #sorry im insane about them that scene was so sad to me #Nehal is real to me. she is still there in Basim's mind >:( fuck the canon !! never leave my boy alone !!!! thats why hes mean :(#i do wonder if Basim can still see her or even hear her #because they fused and Basim remembered Loki's memories but Nehal also said he would never be alone #maybe she meant it in the form of never feeling alone and no longer struggling with his jinni #its so vague to me #that ending ruined me. they put their whole ubussy into that #it did make me feel things :( it made me sad :(#give basim his bestie back NOW. or perhaps even make her like mirage basim. there to remind him of who he also once was #the person he couldve been if he hadn't remembered #ac #ac mirage #ac mirage spoilers #assassins creed mirage spoilers #assassin's creed mirage spoilers #assassins creed spoilers #mirage spoilers #basim #basim ibn is'haq #nehal #basim ibn ishaq

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tsuyoiqueen · 5 months

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i just had the saddest thought and i need to share it. what upsets me the most about the finale is not the fact that mobius and loki are separated and alone as of now, because given that they're the only two who didn't get any semblance of a happy ending that only proves how much they need each other and the logical conclusion is that no matter how long it takes, they will meet again. it doesn't matter that they're worlds apart; it's like the legend of the sun and the moon, they're only ever together during eclipses but they are.

no, what upsets me is the fact that they parted the way they did, with mobius feeling like loki perceives him as a second option, as he's left him behind to follow sylvie and even that big declaration of "i know what kind of god i need to be... for you" was ambiguous. it's the fact that mobius probably feels like he doesn't have a place in this world because the one person he chose to spend his existence with couldn't choose him, couldn't stay for him in the end. it's the fact that he loved loki exactly as he was and supported him through everything for god knows how long. he watched him on a screen, saw his entire life unfold over and over again and then got to be a part of it, got to fight for the freedom of the multiverse by his side and they won but at what cost? at the cost of having the chance to go back to his old life or staying at the job he dedicated eons to and knowing none of these places will ever feel like home again. because it's not about where, when or why. it's about who.

#someone has definitely talked about this before #mobius' post-loki depression is so real #but it's the fact that mobius doesn't know loki did this FOR HIM. that loki made the decision after talking to mobius in the past #that they had a tearful goodbye and loki couldn't bring himself to let go of his hand until he absolutely had to #like he doesn't know how much he means to loki!!!#it's the miscommunication part that kills me #if they had at least parted on good terms i wouldn't feel that sad about the finale #because really it's just a matter of time until they meet again #but will mobius search for loki now? knowing that it was loki's decision to leave him again #knowing that the person loki loves is living the life he's granted them and finding her place in this world #but how can mobius move on if he doesn't have anywhere to go? he's lost and he's hurt and he's confused #because mobius loves with his whole heart. he gives all of himself #he did so when it came to ravonna #he did so for the tva when he thought it was his life's purpose #and he absolutely did it for loki #it's the fact that he doesn't know it's mutual that's killing me!!!#anyways. that's today's heartbreak post. follow me for more pain #mobius m. mobius #loki laufeyson #loki #loki series #lokius #marvel #sad thoughts #aryspeaks

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