so…i finally just finished season five of supernatural. i know there’s technically ten more seasons after this, but i love the idea that swan song is the real ending, since its the end of kripke’s era as showrunner and its when he meant for the show to end. i dont even know how to put into words what i feel right now. im just overcome with emotion because of how much this show means to me and how strange it feels to have finally finished all of the episodes of the original story. everything after this point will be different.
and of course im also overcome with how beautiful that ending was, and how much sam and dean mean to each other. in the end, the only thing powerful enough to overcome the word of god and beat the devil was the love between two brothers—thats some beautiful storytelling right there. so if you need me i’ll be in my bed, crying about how much i love supernatural, and wondering about all the possibilities for sam and dean if the show had ended right there where it was originally supposed to.
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I think it's interesting that when Gandalf describes Denethor's ability to "perceive, if he bends his will thither, much of what is passing in the minds of men," he ties it less to his wisdom or general insightfulness (though he possesses both) than to his difference from "other men of this time," his near total Númenóreanness, and as bolded here, the active exercise of his will.
Tolkien also attributes Denethor's resilience against Sauron (by contrast with Saruman) to not only his right to use the Anor-stone, but "great strength of will." He notes that Sauron had no servant with greater mental powers than Saruman or Denethor, and Gandalf remarks that Denethor was "too great" to be subdued to Sauron's will.
Denethor and Gandalf have a strange and unsettling silent confrontation, carried on by their gazes, yet it strikes Pippin as like "a line of smouldering fire" and "as if reading each other's mind." Gandalf afterwards says Pippin was stuck between two "terrible old men," lumping Denethor in with himself. Pippin also sees some kind of kinship between Denethor and Gandalf, as Sam saw between Faramir and Gandalf.
In his letters, Tolkien said that the ancient Númenóreans became barely distinguishable from Elves in appearance and in their powers of mind. In Unfinished Tales, he notes that they loved their horses, and when a Númenórean had a strong bond with a horse, it was said that the horse could be summoned "by thought alone."
In LOTR, Faramir—who has inherited Denethor's Númenóreanness/wizardliness—has a reputation for command over both animals and men. When everyone else is thrown by their horses upon being chased by five Nazgûl, he not only keeps his seat, but mysteriously gets his horse to ride back towards the Nazgûl. And during the retreat across the Pelennor, the soldiers in the city conclude that Faramir must be with the men who are managing to retreat in order, repeating Beregond's remark that he has some undefined command over both men and beasts.
Gandalf suggests that this is a result of Faramir pitting himself against the effects of the Nazgûl in some way, but his abilities (whatever they are) are outmatched. In the event, the effect of Faramir's Aura of Courage commanding abilities remains until he's shot and finally falls to the Black Breath.
Faramir also makes repeated references to perceiving or reading things in Gollum's mind. At one point, he describes Gollum's mind as dark and closed, yet unable to prevent Faramir from detecting that he's holding something back about Cirith Ungol specifically. Noticeably, this only happens when Faramir orders Gollum to look at him (which Gollum does "unwillingly"), and the light drains from his eyes as he meets Faramir's. It seems decidedly reminiscent of the later Gandalf vs Denethor duel-by-eye-contact.
Faramir's exact words about Gollum's secrecy are "That much I perceived clearly in his mind," in reference to his earlier questioning of him. He says that he can "read" previous murders in Gollum and Gollum cries out in pain when he tries to lie to him.
When Faramir gives staves to Frodo and Sam, he says that a "virtue" of finding and returning has been placed on them, with zero explanation of what he means by that. He adds a hope that the virtue will not altogether fail under Sauron's power in Mordor. He describes the people who did the woodwork but not who placed the virtues (it doesn't seem inherent to the wood itself, given his phrasing).
We do know that Dúnedain can potentially embed enchantments into items. The Barrow-daggers carried by Merry and Pippin are specifically enchanted against the Witch-king of Angmar by an unknown Dúnadan of the North, and when Merry stabs the Witch-king, the dagger breaks enough spells for Éowyn's ordinary sword to finish the job.
Meanwhile, Aragorn uses his healing powers to help the city, wishing for the presence of Elrond, because he is their eldest of their kind and more powerful. Aragorn, also, has at least some part of this ability to actively exercise his will and mental powers, perhaps an equal share, though he uses it less often.
In the book, he doesn't physically attack the Mouth of Sauron, but instead holds his gaze (again, eye contact is important!). There's another silent struggle that involves no weaponry or any other contact.
He prevails in some way over the Mouth of Sauron (not a warped creature of Sauron in the book, but a cruel Númenórean who has "learned great sorcery"). The Mouth indignantly says he has diplomatic immunity and can't be attacked like this.
But, I mean, maybe they're all just smart and perceptive, it's really unclear.
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I wish Sam could have punched John in the face. Beat him bloody, just truly exploded in early seasons. Shown him exactly what he made him to be in the most tragic way possible.
I would have killed for a scene that went like, Sam and John arguing, John is getting more and more loud, until he is screaming - spit flying, you know: the whole nine yards. Insantly, Sam matches this.
Dean would try and step between them, like he always does. But -Sam pushes him away, with a ferocity he has only seen from his mostly passive brother on hunts.
"Stay out of this Dean!"
Dean would try and say something but a steely look from John shuts him up. He steps back realizing that it's over. This is it. His family is done for.
Can you imagine the shock on John's face, when Sam swings at him. Landing a perfect blow to his nose, breaking it without even trying. Using all of those skills he taught him? Forced him to perfect.
Can you imagine the shock from Dean. Who steps forward a bit, he goes to step between them, terrified of what John will do. He knows what he did when they were defensless, never even dared to talk back. The bruises and the blood.
But then Sam is grabbing John by the collar and he lands another punch. And another. And another, he has him on the ground his knuckles bleeding as he tears them apart, each hit landing harder than the last. Between the blows he is spitting out like poison "I hate you!"
And Dean pulls him off. Dean begs him to stop. He doesnt hit Dean, simply trembles in his arms as he is held back - pushed away.
John just stares.
And stares. He doesn't say a word. Before he wipes the blood from his mouth, and spits some onto the ground eye already swelling up. Lip split.
He stands.
And still says nothing, because Dean is already doing it. Already taking the holy word from his father's mouth. Already starting to lecture Sam, maybe shove his brother a bit.
John doesn't have to say anything.
And in the moment, Sam wishes he killed him.
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I honestly just think it's funny that so many people have been watching ofmd as a 'comfort show' lmao like I'm over here specifically watching for the angst. I crave pain and suffering. As soon as High On A Rocky Ledge played in the pilot I was hooked because I knew I was in for intense emotional turmoil. Red Flags is now my favorite episode of the entire series. I honestly didn't expect Izzy to survive as long as he did. His fucked up relationship with Blackbeard has fed me so well.
Of course I adore the love story, and the fact that Ed and Stede's love is an absolute, an immutable fact, of the show's premise allows me to enjoy the angst all the more. But I feel like some people need to be reminded: David Jenkins never promised you fluff. He never promised no deaths, no tragedy, no violence, no difficult topics. Personally I think including a fair deal of all of those makes the hope, the love, and the comedy shine all the brighter and have more meaning. You don't have to agree, but you can't assign expectations to a show that never made such promises. There was never false advertising. David set out to tell the story of two troubled, complicated adults navigating love and a long-term relationship in an often harsh and unfair world, finding community and making meaningful gains in self-actualization along the way. Ultimately it is a 'feel good' story but it's a rocky and winding road meant to mirror the messiness of our real world. Maybe you need to step back and re-evaluate where canon ends and your headcanons begin, and what the 'goals' of the show actually are that may differ from what you're looking for in media, and not blame Jenkins et al. for 'betraying you' when they're just telling their story the way they set out to.
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Anyways nonconsensual things that were left out:
clarifying some things <3 (saying noncon if Sam did not consent or said no to any part). bizarre to include so many random solely noncon encounters but not others here (like in 5x11).
Also, while Sam being soulless wasn't nonconsensual on either soulless Sam's or his partner's behalf considering the way Sam talks about soullessness and the impact of his actions he'd never have wanted and the flood of memories it seems notable
Kiss & physical violence: women in white 1x01
Kissing/straddling: meg 1x16
Kiss: lilith 3x16
Kiss/in the same bed/emotional/physical intimacy: lucifer 5x03
Unspecified: rachel nave (possessed by demon) 5x22
referenced rape (and torture): lucifer 7x02, 7x15 (among other allusions)
If I'm forgetting anything it's not because I think a certain instance was consensual it's just because the show is 15 seasons long and Sam being sexually assaulted is a major theme. please feel free to add on.
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