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#like i'm genuinely not judging for anyone for shipping them
hg-aneh · 7 months
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Hi! I absolutely love all of your art and I’ve been fallowing you for awhile! There’s been some rumors that you ship Muriel x crowley?? Which I guess is an odd paring but nothing terrible wrong with, I was just curious if you do ship them.
Thank you for all your wonderful art <3
okay, i want to preface this by saying that I've already been harassed over this to the point of being called a lowkey pedophile and having every little move of mine scrutinized and misconstrued to sickening extents (this harassment spilled over to my partner too, and it was horrible)
so all anyone would do by doing this again would be repeating history, among other things that have to do with fucking up my already frail mental state
now.
onto the meat
yes, I ship it
no, I do not see Muriel as a child, kid, teenager, or anything of the sort and I find it personally distasteful to think of doing so because infantilizing autistic traits rubs me the wrong way (p e r s o n a l l y)
you can do it if you want to, I have worse things to worry about than a random person on the internet thinking something of a fictional character, just don't try to push your headcanon onto me just because you perceive it that way or because it's a popular dynamic that you find fun
adding onto this, i want to add that i will never and i mean fucking NEVER post anything related to that ship outside of the very specific private Xitter account i created for it
(and my personal facebook, on a friends only setting)
any Muriel & Crowley content outside of that account is all platonic and bla bla you get the gist. I can separate things, what a talent.
Now, I'm being overly paranoid and explaining myself to exhaustion over this for a very good reason and it's because last time someone found out about it ((yes we're going full circle to the beginning of this little bible)) they treated it as some sort of GOTCHA moment about me being a pedo ((and if you didn't know this already: I fucking despise children with my whole being, I'd rather be forcefed alligator shit for my whole life than be with one of those creatures for a single day))
It got to the point of that person making extremely hurtful videos about me and their little friend group comprised of goober eating toddlers joining in on the "Hater" train or whatever the hell that new cultural trend is called, as well
It was hell, that whole experience fucked me up BAD and i feel silly for saying this but it was genuinely traumatic! So- I apologize if I'm sounding confrontational here, anon, but like, this is the type of thing you have to do to keep yourself safe now, it's gone to that point and I'm in hysterics now because what the fuck
Lastly, I'd like to say this one other thing
Muriel is played by an adult actress, they are canonically the same age as Aziraphale and Crowley and are also an eldritch creature just like them
The fact that they're nice and bubbly and happen to have autistic traits doesn't suddenly make them a fetus. I have friends with the same personality type as them and I feel like it'd be dumb to treat them like zygotes knowing they're adults with body hair and debt
Again, if you see them as one, I'm literally no one to judge, I'm 1.49, you're better off taking judgement from a stupid lone penguin in the saharan desert.
But don't fuck with others for thinking otherwise, it's not a moral issue to disagree with a headcanon, please. 🥲
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riddlerosehearts · 9 months
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idia/vil is such a sweet and interesting ship to me and does not deserve to be a rarepair i'm serious. this might end up a bit incoherent and disorganized because i'm not great with words, but listen. the thing is that while on a surface level idia shroud and vil schoenheit--a nerdy shut-in with anxiety who likes to game all day and a mega famous celebrity who's strict about self-improvement--might seem completely incompatible, their actual interactions show us that that just isn't true!!
like, for example idia's starsending robes vignette is a big one!! the way that vil sees idia trying to hide when he's supposed to be at the ceremony, and idia says he's terrified that people will make fun of him, that he's not like vil and can't just go out and not care what anyone think the way he does. and then vil... tells him he's wrong, that it's the opposite, that he cares so much what other people think but has enough of a grip on himself that he can ignore it and appear confidently in public. the way vil admits to idia that they are so much more alike that he thinks.
also, the way that (in this fan translation at least, as well as in other TLs i've seen--the localization translates it to have the complete opposite meaning, for whatever reason) idia then says "so in other words, you've got to level up your ignore skill", and instead of getting annoyed at him for translating his advice into video game terms vil just says "isn't that obvious?". he's going out of his way to try and give idia genuine advice and is willing to speak his language to get him to understand it. he even does a similar thing later on in book 6, when he tells idia that it's worth taking chances because after all, the star rogue protagonist took his chances and went from zero to a hero.
and on that note, book 6 is so good for them. book 6 has idia get all excited and carried away while infodumping about star rogue, only to abruptly lose his enthusiasm and start talking quietly and stuttering. and who is it that tells him he shouldn't act so embarrassed and that they weren't judging him? it's none other than vil. vil who also shows an interest in gaming, much to the surprise of idia who believed, in his own words, that a "sparkly, gorgeous supermodel" like vil couldn't possibly like any of the same things as him! but no, vil wanted to try out the games they had and vil expressed a desire for idia to talk about his passions without fear of being judged. vil enjoyed playing star rogue and he was glad to discuss the movie adaptation with idia and ortho.
it's also vil who, when idia expresses his disappointment at the star rogue sequel being canceled and his wish for the original team to get back together and create a sequel that would be made with passion behind it, is the only one to genuinely understand where he's coming from (as opposed to jamil who's like "is it really that complicated?" and leona who suggests that he just throw money at the creators). vil is the one who encourages him to take a chance at doing what he can to make that wish a reality, to let the original team know that there's a passionate and loyal fanbase waiting for a sequel, and tells him that he just generally shouldn't give up on changing his future and achieving his dreams before he's even tried. of course ortho heard this advice too and took it very much the wrong way, but vil showed a surprising amount of understanding and support for idia and i feel like it was exactly the kind of thing he needed to hear.
also. remember the scene in disney's hercules where hercules temporarily gives up his godhood and his youth by diving into the underworld to save megara? because vil literally did the same thing to save idia. yeah, he may say he only did it for plot reasons, but like come on, how am i supposed to just not ship them after they parallel one of my favorite disney couples like that? vil is a world famous actor and model who was terrified of aging, and he still took such an insane risk!! i'm sure idia would have a crush on him after that.
i'm trying to wrap this up now because it's already too long but also idia has actually been said to have great fashion sense as his online persona and shown to enjoy cosplay and dressing up on occasion (for example, he went all out on his pumpkin knight costume and this hasn't made it to EN yet but he liked wearing the masquerade outfit). vil had pretty high praise for his design sense when he saw ortho's burst gear. and vil gets along incredibly well with ortho and is in the film club with him post-book 6, which is something i imagine idia would appreciate a lot. the contrast between them and the things they unexpectedly have in common are just so neat to me.
so, in conclusion,
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i love them and i think they should be boyfriends
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achaotichuman · 18 days
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I think it is hilarious how some people are so aggressive about sticking so thoroughly to canon, and not allowing for any room for imagination, because like, my brother in christ, canon does not exist.
None of these are real, the characters are not real, the story is not real. There is no such thing as canon.
There is only such thing as the op. The one who originally made the story and the characters, which is why we have copyright. So that no one can *make money off of these characters and the story*
But so long as you aren't plagiarizing the story in order to make your own money off of it. Once these characters are published and, in the world, everyone has free reign with them.
Once they are in your head, they are your characters. Which is why people interrupt their actions differently. Because the characters will appear different in your head compared to anyone else, including the author.
Idk the origins of the term canon, nor have I done any research on the topic (I'm just rambling) but tbh in my eyes it appears like we as a society have allowed money to ingrain itself so deeply into us as people, that we allow to dictate what we think. And this goes for the idea of canon.
Because the actual author is one making money off the books (rightfully so) it has become a sort of, is their way or the highway (this is just a half-thought through theory btw don't take it too seriously)
Which is why I personally love to take said characters and do whatever the fuck I want with them. Because whatever I make them do is in character for me, and even if it isn't, it might be for someone else. Because while they are in my hands, they are my characters.
Consider this a freedom post. You are free to think whatever the fuck you want, none of these people are real. Make Elain a villain, give Kosechi a love interest, make Feyre and Tamlin get back together after she divorces Rhysand. It doesn't matter what the og author thinks, so long as you aren't making money off these characters, you can do whatever the hell you want with them.
And I don't mean make theories crack, I mean you are allowed to genuinely believe this is the best course of action, even if you know the og author won't take it that way.
Cause personally, I do think Tamcien is a plausible ship, and I hope it happens in canon. Do I think it will? No, but Tamlin and Lucien are my characters when they are in my head, so I am allowed to think whatever the fuck I want about them. And same goes for people who disagree with me.
Like some people want Lucien to take over the world, I do not. Some people want Tamlin to die, I do not. Some people want a myriad of things that I do not, and both of those ideas are in character, so long as they are in your head.
Make elriel your canon, make elucien your canon. Fuck it, make Rhysand/Beron your canon.
The only person judging you in the voice in your head, and people on the internet and who gives two fucks what they think. Get as weird as you want, it's all canon, cause none of this is real.
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v-arbellanaris · 1 year
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i admire people who ship maric/loghain in a healthy way mostly bc i'm not one of them. there's SO MUCH weird & fucked up history between them. loghain's dad ends up dying because loghain brought maric to their camp, and loghain blatantly blames him for it until he doesn't. loghain tries to leave maric but maric begs for him to stay on his knees, shirtless, and loghain agrees to it and also gets on his knees to swear fealty to maric. loghain stabs a bann for disrespecting maric and maric just goes along with it. a bog witch possessed by an elven god tells maric that loghain will continuously betray him. loghain pushed maric into killing his lover and maric married loghain's lover, who was maric's childhood betrothed anyway??
and then she held such a grudge about it that loghain exiled himself from denerim until she DIED and he only came back because mother ailis asked him to, and she only did that because maric was inconsolable until a 30 minute peptalk with loghain. loghain moves back to denerim and motherhens the fuck out of maric until he feels so suffocated and overwhelmed and alone that he tries to off himself in the deep roads but DOESN'T because he falls in love with another elf. maric dreams about his wife being married to loghain. maric genuinely believes that if loghain had married rowan, rowan would still be alive. maric gets kidnapped by darkspawn and is remarkably chill about it because he's 100% sure that loghain is going to rescue him. and somehow, loghain manages to find the exact location maric is at about 5 minutes after he arrives there and saves him
loghain is still married to another woman the entire time he's living in denerim with maric. and he only goes back to bring his daughter to denerim and then leaves his wife on the other side of the country to live with maric. loghain brings his daughter to denerim and raises her with maric's son, who he then leaves behind to die, in part because of a promise maric told him to make. when maric goes missing, loghain almost bankrupts the entire country looking for him
maric, despite being the most aggravating annoying bullheaded impulsive person loghain knows, is such a paragon of goodness in loghain's mind that everyone else is judged on a maric metric. no one else ever measures up to the maric that lives in his head, least of all either of maric's sons, or himself, or anyone else, ever. he yells maric's name in battle years after the man's gone missing, presumed dead, and when he passes out, thinking he's dying, his last words are about how he's disappointed maric. maric, trapped in the fade for years, refuses to come back to the waking world because loghain is not in it.
like. hello. they're so fucked up & i love them for it
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haylijahtilldeath · 2 months
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What are your top 5s in anything TVDU related? (Characters, ships, friendships, familial bonds, episodes, etc.)
Ooh, my first question. Thank you for asking!
Even though I've watched tvd first, but I prefer the originals to it. So, my answer is going to be mostly about them.
I'm going to do the characters separately.
First, characters from T.O
Elijah Mikaelson (because he was the calm before the storm, I don't know how to describe him, he was just so resilient and holding onto his brother when the entire world could only see a monster in him, and for all his complex layers.) and Hayley Marshall (because she was a BAMF, the best mother you could have) fighting for first place, but none of them can win.
Camille O'Connell because she was such a ray of sunshine. (Caroline stans do not come at me, this is about two characters who have literally never met.)
Freya Mikaelson was such a badass.
Klaus Mikaelson because he had the best retorts and sarcasm.
Gia because she was so down to earth about everything. (Putting her after Klaus feels so wrong lmao.)
Now, Tvd characters. I can't conjure any explanation for them.
Caroline Forbes
Enzo St. John
Stefan Salvatore
Rayna Cruz
Rose from S2
Ships.
Haylijah, because have you seen them? The chemistry, the compatibility, the love and all the respect. (S5 never happened.)
Bonenzo because they were so good together, and Enzo actually loved Bonnie and didn't spend his time using her.
Klamille, because Camille could see beyond 'evil Klaus' and understood him like no one else ever did, and Klaus saw so much light in her, and he cared about her.
Steroline because they were also good together.
Gialijah because they had so much chemistry and there was just something about them
Friendships.
Caroline & Enzo, because he stepped up for her and they had something special about them.
Camille & Vincent, because they related to one another after all damage they got because of the Mikaelson family, and they made something good out of it.
Freya & Hayley because they spent years together raising Hope, and they bonded so well.
Stefan and Lexi because they do supportive besties better than anyone.
Bonnie and Damon because they have managed to go from sworn enemies to best friends.
Familial bonds.
Hayley and Hope. No one does mother and daughter better than them.
Elijah and Rebekah. We saw so many times how Elijah cared for her and how she looked up to him. I believe he was her favorite brother, even if the show wanted to make us believe it was Klaus.
Marcel & Davina. They're not family by blood, but the way he was her family more than her real family and tried to protect her meant so much.
Elijah and Hope. We did not get much of them, but they had so much potential. If the show didn't completely destroy Elijah to redeem Klaus, we might have seen him be the best uncle out there.
Freya/ Rebekah and Hope. These aunt/niece relationships were so good. Rebekah cared for her for months, and kept her safe, and Freya raised her with Hayley and taught her so much.
Finding episodes that I genuinely love from beginning to end is difficult.
TO S2E9: The Map of Moments. We had family, we had bickering and we had love.
TVD S3E14: Dangerous Liaisons. We had a ball straight out from a fantasy, do I need to say more?
TO S1E20: A Closer Walk with Thee. It was not a happy episode, but we had our first Haylijah kiss, and it's good enough to be in my top 5.
TO S5E8 : The Kindness of Strangers. As much as I hated S5, but this episode was so good. We saw the Mikaelson family reunited, and every time I watch Elijah break down after remembering Hayley's death, I can't help but cry.
TO S1E1: Always and Forever. This feels like such a basic answer, but I love this episode. It was the beginning of an epic tv show, and it's just so nostalgic.
These are the ones you mentioned, and I can't for the life of me think about anything else to rank. Anyway, I am awkward most of the time, and it includes this answer. So, don't judge me too harshly!
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mylittleredgirl · 2 months
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finally, m*a*s*h update!
season four disc two! ("quo vadis, captain chandler" to "dear ma")
there is a LOT going on in the frank and margaret department
i kind of tipped my hand here when i posted about my new obsession, but even if you are not circling the drain on this doomed ship... the Unresolved Breakup Tension is fuckin WILD in this disc
she literally punches him in the face!!! how was that not a breakup!
but then he buys her something or does something to charm or impress her, and it works! then he blows it again!! rinse and repeat!!!! i am 👀🍿
sam and diane from cheers are still theeee platonic ideal of slap-slap-kiss but these clowns definitely walked so they could run
i literally jumped off the couch when his wife found out, aaaaa it's so juicy
I'M SORRY i realize this doesn't speak well of me as a person, but those long close-ups on her face as she voluntarily eavesdrops on him dismissing their relationship (twice!!) and her heart gets fully crushed??? i could eat popcorn to this all day.
this is the kind of dysfunctional relationship that my artist friends would choose in our youth so that we could Suffer and Make Art, so i really hope margaret is writing terrible poetry about it
anyway, we're peroxide-roots deep into GIRL WHY??!??
and then bj very gently explains to radar that well, see, frank and margaret both kinda suck and we're in the middle of nowhere, so they're all they've got
and i had to spend three or four days staring at the ceiling about it, because YEAH. it's not just that they're each other's only rank-appropriate source of star-spangled orgasms
(and they both care far more about military hierarchy than they do about marital fidelity)
but they are so consistently unkind to everyone around them that they have no other choice for any human connection full stop.
i'm not even talking about their ongoing bullying war with hawkeye and trapper or bj, because that's dirty pool on both sides, but i could count on one hand the number of times either of them have interacted with a subordinate nurse or enlisted man without threatening them. like they literally would not have anyone else to talk to.
but the reveal that she still wants to MARRY HIM? oh god. ohhhh honey. noooo.
that fake proposal prank was so genuinely mean. mostly because they ruined her hot date! 👏 let 👏 margaret 👏 fuck 👏 random 👏 dudes 👏
"isn't general barker the one who wanted you to spank him?" lmaoooo
OKAY i swear i can talk about other things:
hawkeye continues to just NOT pull without trapper here. the nurses are fully dismissing or ignoring his efforts, and honestly is he even trying that hard?? have we seen him get even one date?
i've been trying to come up with an "intricate rituals" joke about hawkeye and trapper but where the rituals are... girls. you get me.
i re-watched the pilot and the desk ep (for frank/margaret reasons DON'T JUDGE ME), and hawkeye and trapper LITERALLY end the pilot handcuffed together, and in the next episode talk about sharing a nurse. how am i supposed to take this???
speaking of nurses, you know that little 🙄 you have to ignore in 2024 whenever the women on m*a*s*h get called honey and sweetheart and baby on the job (though tbh i worked on a construction site and an ad sales office in the 2010's and got the same treatment -- but in the modern day it's done ironically babe)
BUT when potter calls margaret "good girl" after he gets shot??? total opposite feeling. i literally had to pause and take a moment. he's her dad now.
also when he tucks radar in???? everyone's dad actually
in loving memory of radar's other dad though, two important points:
how proud would henry have been of drunk & disorderly radar??
and henry's "i've always wondered if i might be radar's dad" bit is genuinely 900% funnier now that we know radar's mom looks EXACTLY like him.
i don't think i have ever circled back to talk about klinger, who became so so so awesome
it's so funny that in klinger's very first appearance and 30 times since then, he has been told straight up that wearing women's clothes will never work to get him out of the army. there's no explanation for his commitment to this particular form of passive resistance except that he genuinely loves it
the swamp rats built a still and klinger got a sewing machine and learned a craft. he's so good at it!! his looks are 🔥
i feel uncomfortable when i see him in fatigues tbh. it happened a few times in this disc and i would like it to Stop actually
also precious baby father mulcahey... Protect Him.
i LOVE that everyone showed up for his church service when the grand poobah chaplain was in town. they love each other!!! (also the life magazine jeep shoot!!!)
"quo vadis, captain chandler" was really good. i'm still over colonel flagg's whole deal but i now understand why everyone loves sidney freedman, and the guest actor they had playing not-jesus was incredible
bj continues to be the best little brother hawkeye could have asked for
also he maybe invented cpr?
i didn't say much about him here but I LOVE HIM and also his off-screen wife
forward and onward!!!
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silusvesuius · 7 months
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Whomst is the most overrated ship in skyrim? Not necessarily the worst but when you see it it's like "hmph old news get this away from me" or also tell me the worst poosible one in your opinion too! Interested in hearing your views on it (I don't know why I am wording this like an mf formal inquiry) (regardless) (obsessed with the problematic ship post with the like yknow the information on it)
i'm glad ur obsessed with the info.. i am TOO. as for the question(s), i wouldn't necessarily say i actually have a pairing that i really hate.. because who am i to judge other people for who they wanna pair together; i'm a fan of quite the doodoo pairings as well, as everyone knows. since i don't snoop around in the fandom as a whole i can't say there's something that really annoys me, but as a hot take i'd say...... m*raak isn't romanceable at all, especially with the LDB, if sticking to canon real tight. nothing wrong with going off-canon to have fun though. but i do say this as someone that genuinely hated him and was annoyed by him my whole playthru + i wouldn't ever save him or anything even if that was on option (real evil of me i know) so i wouldn't get the '''''hype'''''' around him and this whole LDB insert thing. i just think m*raak is too damaged of a person to be attracted to anyone but tentacles after spending 90% of his life in mora's realm💚 Love that for him. but i'm glad to see people have their fun with him and his character in other ways, too
this is gonna get long so going under the cut after this LOL
&& i'd say a pairing that kinda makes me itch would be t*llius/ulfr*c but that's because it doesn't genuinely even feel real at all like let's sit down and think. it's in the category of '2 men that hate each other (even worse are at political war levels of disagreement) we should pair them'. a pairing that tastes like soup that doesn't have salt in it yk. obviously there are ways they could get along for like 0.3 seconds but other than that it's nothing to me *÷&×>÷,&2 i believe people don't even see ulfr*c as a traumatized insane mental asylum crazy person that wouldn't be able to form normal relationships (Sad). not even saying all this as a elituli4lyfer, just in general. also g*lmar/ulfr*c is rich with flavor so idk why choose that over this but everyone has their preferences 😊
that's all i got to say pretty much i guess. i'm happy if other people are happy doing what they like so i hope nobody gets mad at what i said here lol 💙 i don't have a ship i consider to be the Worst of the Worst
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galacii-gallery · 9 days
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Do you support the problematic ships and what not in the UT fandom/community? Just a genuine question, not trying to accuse you just that it’s sometimes hard to trust artists and some are hyprocrites about it.
Thinks of a good response to this- I believe that people can ship what they'd like! I believe I can ship what I like. I generally support anyone's ships, even if they're 'problematic' amongst the community. I won't judge anyone for what they ship, let people enjoy what makes them happy it's not hurting anyone in real life ^^! I'm chill overall with ships. however... I will not support ships that portray Minors being with Adults! that's the line I will stop at.. and never expect myself or others to cross.
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bylightofdawn · 5 months
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Bleh did NOT finish the fic tonight but it's 1 am. I will say this after dissecting S3E6 so much, I am so VERY THIRSTY for more Cahir and Fringilla in future seasons. I loved their developing friendship over the course of season 1 & 2. And my heart actually hurt for Cahir when he thought she was dead. Like you could see the genuine grief on his face when Emhyr told him that only to find out a few days later in the midst of a hellish battle that no, she's still alive and kicking.
And his first instinct was to block her body with his when an explosion goes off. Fuuuuuuuuuuuck man. Gimme more of that, plz.
But I'm assuming he's going to inevitably make his way towards being introduced to the Hansa so I dunno if we're going to get any heartfelt reunions.
I can also understand WHERE the Cahir/Ciri fandom is coming from but it still squicks me out. Sorry, he's a grown ass man and she's at most maybe fifteen I know in the books she's more like 12 but it's pretty clear the netflix timeline is a little more different. Meanwhile he looks like he's in his late twenties or early thirties and I just cannot. I believe in the books he's younger so maybe it's not as bad? IDEK. And yes, I do try and remove my own modern sensibilities when it comes to these sorts of things but on top of the age difference, there's the fact he is one huge trauma trigger for her. He's quite literally the faceless beast from her nightmares and this is the first time she sees him as a man and not some demon but still. Soooooo much baggage and it's just not my cup of tea.
Not gonna judge anyone for shipping it, you do you, boo and I will be the first to admit there's some gorgeous fanart/fan edits of the two of them out there. I'm just gonna keep it firmly chaste, courtly admiration in my mind when I interact with the fandom. He definitely seems like he's gone through a complete transference of his worship for Emhyr and supplanted him with Ciri which is also all sorts of unhealthy and good lord this boy needs some therapy. But I don't think that exists in the Witcher universe so he's screwed.
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shiikiyun · 9 months
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this might be me being a little hater but i truly dont understand the futa/rumerie ship like... at all.
i know some ppl find appeal in ships where one half is an asshole etc etc but ive found people make rumerie into this Great Guy that Had A Better Moral Compass Than Futa, Actually and????? Hello. Hey. Hi
Like. Canonically, this guy did the same shit Futa did. He was PART of the harrassment the last victim suffered. He played a role in her death, and what did he (and the rest of the friendgroup) do? Dogpile Futa next and blame him entirely for it.
Could he feel guilt and remorse over it now? Maybe, but to act like he's any better than Futa and like they wouldn't have a terrible relationship feels like too much fanon getting on the way— Not to even mention the fact that Futa implied he saw these people more as friends than they probably ever did, and judging by how easy they turned against him... It's most likely the case.
Truth is, neither Rumerie nor anyone in the friendgroup cared about Futa. It was never this genuine bond of mutual respect like Futa probably believed. On his own words, they had fun sometimes, but he can't even call them friends at this point. Cause he was the only one that saw friendship there.
Knowing all this, I repeat— I don't get the ship. There's like, two Futa ships I'm ok with, but even the other few I don't like I can kinda see where they come from because I don't struggle to find that possibility of mutual respect within canon characterization... This one I just can't get behind, nothing about it tells me "ok, yeah, not my thing but i get it", and the more I think about it I just get angry at rumerie lol
Again, i know some ppl just find appeal in that toxicity... but at least commit to it, dont twist rumerie to fit this narrative of nice guy that Knew Better than futa over something he canonically was equally if not worse than him at
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aquiron2 · 11 months
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Despite Sayeon's crush on Jaeil being quite obvious, to me it seems less that she ACTUALLY has a romantic crush on him and more that he is the only person who has ever shown kindness to her.
Sayeon's mother died when she was very, very young. And even then I think that Sara was very distant from her daughters (Judging by the way Samin talks about her)
Samin is a terrible, terrible sister (even Sayeon acknowledges this, saying "We're not going to pretend that you were a good sister [...]")
Sayeon's father, Mr. Lee, is... completely out of the picture. We don't know anything about him so I'm going to assume that, just like Sara, that he was distant from his daughters
And despite Sayeon's current bitterness towards her sister, there was a time where she truly, genuinely loved and relied on Samin. But ever since Samin's murder (or in Sayeon's own words, "punishment") the two have grown incredibly distant. Samin may still love Sayeon (she still wanted Sayeon to stay with her and seemed hurt the night before she left) but she does not show it.
The only person that Sayeon allowed herself to befriend was Jaeil Kim, and he was quite literally the only person that she knew. He was the only person that she ever opened her heart to, he was the only person who ever showed real kindness to her, and who seemed to genuinely care about her wellbeing. (From Jungwoo's words about Sayeon, I am also assuming that everyone else in their school was distant from Sayeon and sometimes even cold).
And, as a result, since Sayeon didn't know anyone else, since she didn't have any other options, her brain just latched on to the one person who was nice to her and said "This one. I'm gonna have a crush on this one because he is nice and those feelings are going to be your problem now. Good luck!"
And Sayeon is... struggling. Like. Visibly. I don't know how to explain this but it seems like she too also knows that her feelings really shouldn't be there, and really wants to see him as just a friend. But since he is the only person that she has... it's impossible for her not to blush or call out to him after meeting a god.
I'm just saying this as someone who was ALSO emotionally detached, was being abused at home and had literally NO FRIENDS aside from one (1) girl in school that was nice to me, and ended up having a crush on said girl because she was the only one that I had: Sayeon's feelings seem unrequited. Not only to Jaeil but to Sayeon herself.
Let's be real, Jaeil thrashes cars with a guy (seemingly???) goes out partying 'till god knows when, doesn't study, and even though he is nice, he's honestly a terrible option for a romantic partner. If Sayeon had other options, other friends, he would just be another one of them, not a crush. And Sayeon knows that.
And... he doesn't seem to like her romantically either. Idk, Sleepacross may very well publish a chapter on Jaeil's POV one day and he may have a thought bubble talking about how much he loves her and when that happens I'll eat my words, but as it stands? He treats her just like he does anyone else, like he would any friend.
...Which is what makes Jaeil's loss all the more heartbreaking. He is the only person Sayeon ever had, the only person she loved (be it platonically or romantically, it doesn't matter)
When Sayeon eventually finds out about his death--about his murder-- she is going to be devastated. His death is going to be her breaking point and quite frankly I don't think she'll ever recover from that.
And... this is the end of my little rant!!
I am NOT making this post to invalidate or speak ill of anyone's ship!! I am just talking about canon!!
I think Sayeon x Jaeil is cute and fun and that's literally all that matters when it comes to shipping!! I just wanted to write a little analysis on Sayeon and why she may have a crush on Jaeil because her situation is one that I personally can relate to.
The way she emotionally distances herself from everyone, the way she attached herself to one person and grew feelings for said person out of a necessity because her abused and trauma-driven brain didn't know that she deserved better and that she can have more... it's something that struck real close to home.
Maybe everyone already knew this before I made this post, maybe this is obvious........ but Hand Jumper is the only thing in my brain right now and I wanted to write </3
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Sorry if I'm spouting stuff unwanted in your ask box. But I had a deep brain thinky moment and I thought "at least with reader inserts we admit we're inserting ourselves into the story". A lot of "shippers" seem to ship because they've projected onto a certain character, and they themselves want to be with another character (who often gets watered down to a very attractive slab of meat with little to no will and/or personality of their own). So of course, prime example is Jon with his choose your own poison girlboss, but I've seen it in some other areas. Of course there are some genuine attempts at investigating chemistry between characters out there, but it's often the most viciously toxic ships/shipping communities that I notice this sort of self insertion. Of course I could be assuming things and/or judgemental but it's just a theory I built up after years of observing.
No, you are right on the money. (Rest under a read more because gods be good have my opinions on shipping and shippers in fandom gotten me some anon hate before)
It's why certain shippers tend to be very aggressive in their defences, because they have seen so much of themselves in a character they feel like you are judging them for a real relationship they are in. Refusing to see character flaws as a fundemantal aspect of who that person is, beacuse they don't want to relate to someone like that, so they invent a vision of this person that they have to defend beacuse they won't admit they related to a bad person.
It's a slippery slope to project so heavily onto a character in a ship you like. Beacuse you end up refusing to see them as dynamic people who are more complicated then their relationship and that relationship ends updefining them as a character. Example, I ship Brienne and Jaime but I also don't look at either of them as someone I relate to on a personal level. I'm also fascinated with both of their separate stories and greatly and think those separate journeys are what makes their intertwining moments so intriguing. But if I were projecting myself onto Brienne, then I would end up acting as if she was always perfect and her entire story revolves around a starry eyed Jaime who only lives for that relationship now.
Jon has such a bad treatment by his shippers, beacuse so often he winds up being that slab of meat for the other party. I know some people have joked "well about time its a mans turn" but the point is no one should be given the arm candy treatment by fans. Man or woman. Jon is such a footnote in Jonerys dialouge beacuse ultimetly he serves her at her beck and call with little agency. Because Dany is the one they see themselves as and thus molding Jon into their perfect partner means serving the worst aspects of a girlboss character, meaning stripping the complex agency of their romantic male interests. Same with Ygritte, people see her aggresiveness and sass and think oh my god shes me, and totally ignore the actual text on the page/proof on screen that Jon's time with her isn't happy or romantic. But they want to see themeslves in Ygritte's spitfire personality so badly that they refuse to see Jon as anything but a willing puppet for her enjoyment, beacuse they want the advantage of being her and having him.
Honestly most Jon ships have this problem, and it's partially why I don't ship him with anyone, and i actually ship very few characters with anyone. My time in the Pedro fandom I was infamous for disliking popular ships and a lot of it then too was seeing people projecting onto the female to a point where their interpretation of the character was just not what was on screen.
Casually shipping is fine, again I love a good analysis post about Jaime and Brienne, but like you said. At least with reader inserts, I'm telling you it's you. I'm telling you it's me. You know the reader acts that way beacuse it's who they are and it's not forcing them to be something their not just to force that character to be relatable to you in particular.
Jonsa, Jonerys, Jonrya and Jongritte suffer from this problem greatly, and during my time in the pedro fandom Mando and Omera, and Joel and Tess also were major sufferers of this problem. The male becomes meat for the superior female character beacuse you want it to be you and it being you forces you to turn this person into someone they aren't and this it strips the other party of their agency.
The males now only exist to be relatable arm candy, as opposed to reader inserts which do the work to find a way to make the reader fit into the existing world around them organically.
At least I'm being honest. I write Jon Snow x Reader fics cus I want to fuck Jon Snow, I'm not pretending like I just really like Dany and thats why I ship it. No, they're a terrible couple, but at least I'm honest about my self shipping. I don't have to lie about my intentions.
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Okay, so, I actually wrote this as a thread weeks ago for @grtr3's sangyaoFES on twitter, but there were a lot of little hiccups that needed to be edited. Still not... totally pleased with it? But it's as pretty as it's gonna get.
Anyway! A common joke is that Nie Huaisang's donghua design post timeskip is such a perfect sad-eyed tragic ingenue that it's a lucky thing no one ever got hit with it full force with his grief before he started the Headshaker ruse or else there'd be a whole lot more yanderes about.
So of course I have to take a silly idea and play it in full seriousness.
Title: The Wolves in the Hall Ship: implied past and maybe ongoing SangYao Tags: Mixed Canon, Crack Treated Seriously, Awakenings, Accidental Public Grief, Everyone Discovers They're A Little Bit Yandere, And Experienced Yandere!Jin Guangyao Is Having Absolutely None Of It
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Considering it was both his first public appearance since the funer- his ascension, as well as his first inter-sect conference since the same, Nie Huaisang was holding up surprisingly well under the scrutiny of the other sects. 
He was still pale and underweight from his period of mourning and he seemed to still be somewhat mentally distant -never quite looking at anyone, just the space they were occupying- but he had participated in all the formal introductions and the gift-giving to the hosting Jin sect and even the required toasts near-flawlessly.
After months of checking in on his mental and emotional state, it seemed Jin Guangyao had been overly concerned.
Or so he thought until the dull roar of the chatter and clinking plates and cups throughout the banquet hall unexpectedly began to die down.
Gently shooing away the maid who had come to ask him about whether or not to switch the type of wine yet, he turned to find that, gradually, more and more people were stopping eating or conversing to stare in the direction of the Nie delegation's seats.
Or, more specifically, to stare at Nie Huaisang, who was sitting stone still, face stark white, chopsticks still held in an upheld hand-
-and silent tears slowly trickling from widened green eyes as he stared at the bowls on the tray in front of him.
As he and most of the other occupants of the room watched, the Nie sect's new second in command put a hand on his leader's shoulder.
Startled out of his trance, Nie Huaisang's head jerked up as if he was a spooked deer, the tears streaking his face and lingering in his eyes glittering in the light of the lanterns and candle torches positioned all around the room and soft mouth opening on a gasp.
Jin Guangyao was very sure he did not imagine the collective inhale all around the room.
His hands reflexively clenched in his sleeves.
Unlike most of the guests and hosts in attendance, he had known of the vast and stark difference between Nie Huaisang's dramatics for observers and his state of genuine distress for years. It had been a secret Nie Huaisang himself had let him in on mere weeks into his tenure with the Nie sect, the way he used one to hide the other.
And now someone on their staff had blown that secret open and public, and it seemed the wolves were scenting blood.
"Ah- I'm sorry," Nie Huaisang was mumbling as he checked his sleeves for a handkerchief to wipe his eyes. "Haha, how embarrassing- on the first day, no less-"
Jin Guangyao noticed a few people starting to lean forward in their seats at rapt attention.
That his father was one of them made a deep possessive disgust bloom in his chest like the peony embroidered on his clothing, and his jaw clenched a little as he began to make his way around the edge of the hall, unnoticed.
He was halfway to the section where Nie Huaisang was sitting when it seemed the Nie disciples had picked up on the change in the air as well, judging by the way some of them began shuffling closer to their sect leader, eyes sharp and metaphorical hackles raising.
Once he was close enough to see the tray's contents, it was immediately apparent why Nie Huaisang been so openly caught off guard.
Jin Guangyao had expressly directed the kitchens to prepare braised pork belly with mustard greens, mushrooms, and wheat noodles, wanting to give Nie Huaisang something familiar and comforting for his first major public appearance.
Instead, the large center bowl held spicy beef and venison stew with glass noodles and eggplant.
One of Nie Mingjue's favorites.
In fact, it was what he'd ordered to be prepared during the last banquet the man had ever attended, looking to appease his increasingly volatile temper.
It could have been a simple mistake, someone having gotten their notes crossed from the previous event.
Or, he thought, restraining himself from glancing in his father's direction, it could have been deliberate. 
A cruel point to be made.
Either way, he would be sure to investigate.
But that would have to wait until later, as there was a much more pressing matter at hand.
"Xiansheng," he interjected politely to the second in command, keeping his voice soft enough that it wouldn't echo in the near-silent hall, "Perhaps it would be best for Nie-zongzhu to be escorted back to his room for a little peace and quiet to recover."
The second, a man with whom he'd never actually been friends, but had shared a mutually respectful relationship when other disciples had been much more condescending and rude, glanced around at all the staring spectators, then nodded and reached out to take hold of Nie Huaisang's wrist to stop his increasingly anxious searching.
A soft wave of murmured gossip went up at the gesture -more likely than not at the difference in size between the second's hand and the wrist he held- and Jin Guangyao bit his tongue to keep his ire from becoming evident in his expression. 
This vulnerability was something that belonged to him more than anyone else, even Nie Huaisang's own sect. He would not share it with the likes of anyone in this room.
Not even Er-ge.
Especially not his father.
"Lingyun, go with them," the second said, and one of the other disciples, a young man with a serious face but a bright gaze that spoke of an eagerness to do his assigned task well, saluted and stood.
"It- it's fine," Nie Huaisang said, his voice still faint and slightly wavery. "I'll be alright with San-ge, you don't need to go hungry on my account."
As the second had done before, this 'Lingyun' directed a distrustful glance towards the crowd. "I do not mind half a meal. But if Zongzhu prefers it, I will return to the hall once Zongzhu has been settled."
That seemed to be a good enough answer to placate his nerves, and when Jin Guangyao held out a hand, Nie Huaisang accepted the offered assistance. Once he was on his feet, the second let him go so the younger disciple could step in on his other side.
The movement broke the spell that had fallen over the banquet hall, and the two of them quickly herded Nie Huaisang out of the room before anyone could raise a protest to his leaving.
As he shut the hall door behind them, Jin Guangyao could feel the sharp prickle of many irate and envious stares piercing his back.
For once, he didn't care. Enjoyed it, even. Let them all chug vinegar that he was the one Nie Huaisang trusted to care for him while in such a state, rather than any of them.
They wound their way through mostly empty halls and were halfway to the wing for the visiting major guest sects when Nie Huaisang made a soft wounded noise and leaned against him. "San-ge, I'm sorry," he murmured, audibly trying to restrain himself from breaking down again. "I swore I would do well by Da-ge and not make a fool of myself on this trip."
Jin Guangyao put an arm around his waist to steady him and, once their escort said nothing about it, gave him a reassuring squeeze.
"It's not your fault," he said soothingly. "If anyone should apologize, it's me. I was sure I'd ordered a different dish for you, but-"
Nie Huaisang gave a small shake of his head, and though he made no verbal response, it was clear by his body language that he wasn't holding Jin Guangyao responsible for the error.
A relief.
A maid, young enough that she was likely a new hire for the banquet, met them at the door of Nie Huaisang's room and bowed. "Will Nie-zongzhu be requiring anything from the infirmary or kitchens?"
"A mild sedative and some chrysanthemum and wolfberry tea," Jin Guangyao said. "And something easy to eat that does not have beef or eggplant."
She bowed again and bustled off towards the kitchens.
Once she had disappeared around the corner, Nie Huaisang gently patted his disciple on the arm. "You can go back to dinner now."
Lingyun looked at his sect leader's still-unsteady hand, expression tightening in concern, but when Nie Huaisang gave him an encouraging little push, he nodded and bowed. "By your leave," he said, then turned to go.
Once they were alone inside the room and the door was closed behind them, Nie Huaisang turned to rest his forehead against Jin Guangyao's shoulder. "San-ge..."
"Shh." Jin Guangyao reached up and unfastened the younger man's guan, then began unpinning the bun of braids to let them fall.
The simple act of removing the most obvious sign of the sect leader position seemed to also remove the last of the anxious tension Nie Huaisang had been carrying in his body. He sighed, low and exhausted, and allowed Jin Guangyao to embrace him fully once the guan and pins had been laid aside.
This soft, quiet, completely earnest trust was another gesture that Jin Guangyao had absolutely no intention of letting anyone else experience, and though he was sincere in his caretaking, he couldn't resist reveling just a little bit in the warmth between them and the feeling of his fingers sliding through the loose sections of the other man's hair as smoothly as water.
"Come on," he finally said, walking backwards towards the bed and tugging Nie Huaisang along with him. "Boots and belt off, and I'll help you take your hair down the rest of the way."
"Okay," Nie Huaisang murmured, pulling away to begin removing his outer layers.
He'd just sat down on the bed and pushed off his boots when there was a knock.
"I'll get it," Jin Guangyao said when Nie Huaisang moved to stand. "You just stay put."
It was the young maid, with a tea tray that had a surprisingly large array of various dumplings and buns and sweets. "The meat ones are duck or pork only. I asked one of the cooks to open a few to double check," she said proudly.
He motioned her in to set the tray on the bedside table, then as he walked her back to the door, he handed her two silver taels from his sleeve. "One for you, one for the cook you spoke to. Thank you for your diligence," he said with a placid smile. "And let them know I said you could have two pastries as well."
Beaming, the girl bowed extra low in thanks, then left.
Jin Guangyao closed the door and returned to Nie Huaisang, who was looking at all the food with apprehension.
"You're going to help me eat this, right?"
"If that's what you prefer."
"Of course it is. There’s no way I can finish it myself, and you probably haven’t eaten at all yet, have you?”
Having undergone such an upsetting night and still concerned for him. Yet another small luxury he jealously hoarded.
“I have not,” he said as he turned and poured tea for Nie Huaisang, then handed him the cup and one of the small sedative vials from the tray. He allowed himself to steal a fleeting kiss on the cheek in the process, and took gratification in the small tentative smile it earned.
Slipping off his own boots, he took a seat behind the younger man and reached for a comb to begin unraveling the braids.
"I don't know what I'm going to do tomorrow," Nie Huaisang said after swallowing the dose of medication and taking a sip of tea to chase away the taste. "I should... I'm supposed to make up for causing a scene, right? Isn't that how it goes now?"
"You would be surprised how many don't bother," Jin Guangyao replied, managing to keep the bitterness out of his voice.
Though, in this particular case, he didn't want Nie Huaisang to make such an offer. There were too many, his father in particular, who would be all too happy to take advantage of it after what they'd witnessed tonight, and he had no intention of letting that happen.
"Simply apologize and say that you are yourself again and will be conducting your part of the discussions with the appropriate decorum."
"Okay."
And while Nie Huaisang was thinking about how to word his apology, Jin Guangyao would be thinking about how to keep a pack of scavengers from touching what was his.
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minu-moni · 5 months
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"antis are always toxic" ???? even ones that just block and move on? like I'm very much NOT proship but I've never harassed anyone over it
Anon, I gotta say, you asked a pretty good question!
Antis that just block and move on are a rarity I’m afraid, so my opinion will be a bit biased.
Considering the case you’re talking about, about antis following a proshipper without knowing they’re a proshipper, it doesn’t seem like there’s any problem with it, especially if they just block and move on with their life.
However, from my experience with antis (and that’s where the bias comes in), even the ones that don’t straight up harass other shippers go out of their way to complain about people’s ships (not censoring the tag btw so everyone that gets in the tag can see it) and complain when proshippers defend themselves after the fact, or spread those stupid call out posts that only talk about a person’s tastes on fictional fictional characters instead of anything genuinely worrying and dangerous.
Antis are people who judge others for tastes in fictional stuff, actively shun them when they find out about it or just straight up harass them. Maybe they just block and move on, which would be fine, but the layer of judgement is something that could delve into toxic territory if the person isn’t paying attention to their actions.
It’s the layer of judgement that’s the issue. Of course, you’re free to judge whoever you want and whatever you want, but when it becomes something vocal, that’s when it becomes toxic. You can just dislike something and move on.
If we boil down the definitions of proshipper and anti shipper we have:
Proshipper: someone who is against harassment; “ship and let ship”, “you’re free to ship whatever as long as you’re not hurting anyone”
Anti shipper, being the opposite, means the opposite: someone who is okay with people harassing others (even if they themselves don’t do it); there are stuff you shouldn’t like regardless if its fictional or not
Your case seems to be the murkier middle, someone who isn’t okay with people shipping whatever but doesn’t go out of their way to harass them. For that, I don’t have a concrete answer.
In my opinion, that would put you closer to the proshipper side than the anti side, since being proship essentially boils down to being against harassment.
From my experience, all people I’ve seen that are antis, even those that block and move on, are toxic at some degree, be it throwing off-hand comments about other people’s tastes, being arrogant, making fun of others for their ships even the innocent ones (and I’ve seen a lot of those), so I’m not really inclined to believe in antis that aren’t toxic on some level, even if minimal.
But every rule has its exception so maybe that’s you? I don’t know, I don’t fuck with antis either way.
It’s mostly about being safe. Not that all proshippers are actually nice, people can be rude and toxic regardless of how they engage in fandom, but when it comes to antis, I’m not at all surprised when I see a call out post about an anti being toxic or abusive in private.
Guess I can’t give you much beyond my perspective. Either way, be a person as nice as they can be, if I know that they’ll judge me based on the fictional stuff I like, regardless if it’s morally acceptable or not, I’m not getting close to them. I might be missing a great opportunity but I’d rather not take chances.
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Kind of a rant
The countryhumans fandom is really fucked up, and before people start thinking i'm coming after shippers, they're not the main problem. It's OK to ship two characters, and while it seems different, it really isn't because you don't really think about the landmasses or the governments in that, it's just two characters who happen to have the same name as countries. The problem is when people glorify horrible things, which is a huge problem in this fandom. The Axis powers aren't 'hot'. They're problematic, and they fought on the wrong side of WW2. I cannot stress this enough, but how you see the 'characters isn't supposed to be how you see the countries or their citizens in any way. It is unacceptable when people gloss over the horrible history of the world and romanticize n*zi germany. Now, am I saying that by reading a fic that involves it makes you a bad person? No, but if you specifically look for fics that center around them and doesn't explicitly explain how they're going to make it so it isn't super anti-Semitic, you should rethink your choices. Another thing I feel compelled to talk about is the sm*t fics. I won't judge you for it. After all they are 'just' characters, but if you view them as actual representations of countries, that's where the problem lies.
Am I denying that some ships are harmful? No, of course not, and there are genuinely problematic ships. Think before you ship, guys. Artists are amazing, I find that most are just interested in the fandom or like drawing them, but that is no excuse to draw that symbol.
If you aren't harming anyone, it's fine. But you have to consider what is considered harming people. Yes, it's ok to be cringy. It's ok to be interested in 'cringy' things.
Anyway, that was me ranting about shit, I might submit this rant to @rasywmtra
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