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storiesofsvu · 2 years

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hi bestie! hope you’re doing great! 😊

out of curiosity, realistically, do you think Rita and Barba would’ve worked out? (as in a relationship obviously haha)

who do you think she’d make a lovely couple with?

hey bestie!! i dont have to work today so things are going swell lolol.

Okay, i have whole ass theories on this, and a couple of fics/series on the docket to include some Barhoun stuff.

Sometimes... I believe that they dated back in college, somehow became friends, spent lots of time studying, late nights, add in a little bit of booze into the mix and one thing lead to another and they fucked. It was out of sheer convenience that it continued or became something more. like, they were both heavy into school, focusing on future careers and making it in the legal world and a lot of other people may not have understood that and demanded more time/effort into a relationship. Whereas with each other it's just a couple of added little kisses when they greet each other, studying while cuddling and some sex added into what their friendship was prior. And then that's that, they graduate, both start working and out of that little Harvard bubble they kinda realize that they're not relationship material but stay good friends and the occasional fuck buddy. AND, while I fully believe that Lucia and Rita are the BEST of friends and Rita takes her on shopping trips and invites out to the hamptons and they gang up on Raf sometimes in a teasing way only a bestie/gf and a mom can, that Rita's parents *absolutely* would *not* approve of their daughter dating Barba. I canon her parents to not be the best, and obvi they're rich and upper east side kinda ppl. So the scholarship kid from the Bronx isn't going to be good enough, ya know?

Option 2: of them just being besties and not dating through college is kinda they casually date as adults, things don't get too serious because they simply *cannot*. Rita likes to dote on people, she likes to gift, she'll *regularly* come home with presents ranging from Raf's favourite sweet treat from the bodega on the corner to cufflinks from Tiffany's kinda thing. She spoils, a lot. And Raf can't deal with that, because they do come from very different backgrounds and he sees it as both a waste of money and like he's a charity case. Make sense? Like, while they both do have some fancy tastes, he just doesn't always feel like he fits into Rita's world. NOW in this situation (and this is the premise for an upcoming series); there is an easy solution. Raf also feels like he's not that great of a partner because he's always working late, can be standoffish/brash, or not always there. Rita's like, too much for him, so... if you add in a third person to make a throuple/poly, THEN Barhoun works. Poly Barhoun is just the far superior ship, Rita has someone to spoil and fawn over, Raf knows that his (third) partner has someone with them and taking care of them when he ends up sleeping in his office cause a case load is too much.

Now: canon wise, here are my speculations pertaining Barhoun.

s14: we first meet the two of them, they're very obviously still banging. Like, they're almost *too* flirty but trying to cover up the flirty if that makes sense. it's all "ms calhoun" "mr barba" with these little smirks, the "ms calhoun, long time no see" and she returns it with a little nod and a grin like she didn't wake up in his bed that morning. PLEASE. you're fooling NO ONE. potentially also dating at this point.

s15: still casual, still banging with potential dating. rita reps liv & amaro in this season, they clearly can't afford her, so it's obvi a favour for Barba.

s16: they fucking FIGHTING in this season, something went down, rita's willing to let it go but barba's got a stick up his ass and when he doesn't back down, she obvi fights fire with fire. they're at each other's throats in her first ep of the season and still tense in the second (my personal two fave options for this are: barba found out about rita/tucker and is irked she never mentioned it. OR, Rita fucked Liv and barba's livid because rita obvi would know that barba was harboring feelings)

s17: back to being friends, whatever happened, the water's cleared, they're still not perfect, but they're back to the teasing and the little games. s18: similar vibes.

Rita: while she has chemistry with plenty of the SVU characters, and a lot of them seem like they could work with her, there's always an issue that wouldn't make it work long term. The only person I can see her successfully being in a long term relationship with is Casey.

#barhoun #law and order svu #rita calhoun

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addictedtostorytelling · 2 years

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Hi! Thank you for answering my questions. I hope this "ask" finds you well. I just finished CSI S15 and I would like to know your opinion on these issues:

Why is Sara Sidle so angry? I have seen her spiraling with alcohol, depressed on her love for Boss G and anger about everything in general on S4 & S8 but the angry Sara on S15 is vicious and violent. Assaulting suspects on PD hallways, shouting during interrogation, slamming her hand on the interrogation table... Seriously, Sara Sidle is scary, way out of line and borderline unprofessional. The Angry Sara on the earlier CSI seasons are usually cause by Domestic Violence but the Angry Sara on S15, I can't explain the motivation. It's confusing.

And Greg Sanders is so dull. What happened to the rock and roll head banging, Las Vegas History lovin' Lab Tech turned CSI? His hair used to be so distinct and lively but on S15, his hair is dull and parted sideways. He looks so sad. Like life as CSI has sucked all the fun out of him.

(no complains about Pancho Nicky though 😁)

And every CSI is moonlighting as Lab Techs. No more Gun-expert Bobby, Tech Savvy Archie and Finger Print Reader Mandy/Jackie...now all lab tech duties are divided to Hodges, Henry and the CSI.

Also, I would like to comment on the writers of CSI S15. They are lazy. One case in an episode then a serial killer arc for the entire season. The tangents and possible explanation why a person is a viable suspect is confusing. Whatever happened to the 2 cases per episode concept? That concept worked with high ratings for so many years/seasons so why change it? Now, all CSI worked in 1 case per episode, it seems they are passing tasks with each other that they can do themselves. No wonder it ended on a low rating. I cannot see/feel the magic of CSI anymore. The episodes looks tired and dragging.

I am very sorry for the rant but I stopped watching when Gil Grissom left in S9E10. After multiple watching of CSI Vegas, CSI S01 to S9E10 and CSI Immortality, I finally got the courage to watch all episodes after GG left starting S15. Gosh, my disappointment and frustration were so high that I had to go back and rewatch all GSR scenes on CSI Vegas so I can remind myself that Sara Sidle is not angry and so beautifully in love with her hubby Gil Grissom.

I finished S15 but I am afraid of all the disappointment and frustration I will feel on S14. Still, I will push through so I can say I have watched all CSI Episodes from S01 to S15.

Again, apologies for the rant.

hi, @hiei29!

i’m gonna put my answers under the “keep reading” so as not to poison anyone’s dash, okay?

warning: this post is extremely critical of the writing in the later seasons of the show and especially of the characterization in those seasons. if you are a fan of those seasons, you probably shouldn’t read this post, as it contains a literal salt mine of negativity regarding them.

so, uh, i make no secret of the fact that i hate the later seasons of csi with all the salt that is in me, finding them to be some of the worst-written and most disappointing television i have ever watched, a downgrade in every possible way from the early seasons of the show.

there is literally nothing about them i find enjoyable, and i refuse to rewatch them because to me they are so contemptible.

i am afraid to say, but i think you'll discover (since you're watching in reverse chronological order) that things are only going to get worse for you as you delve now into s14 and then s13, which is the absolute nadir of the series and by far the hardest season to watch as a gsr/sara sidle fan.

anyway.

to answer some of your questions, i will first direct you to several posts that cover a lot of the same topics:

this one talks about the poor writing and multiplicity of storytelling problems in the later seasons of the show, explaining why they came about from an outside-of-the-story world perspective. though a lot of the post relates specifically to s10 (and the clumsy way the writers wield ray langston as a character), the same concepts also apply throughout s11-s15, as well.

this one was written after the end of s15 but before news of the show's cancellation had come out and so is in some ways out of date, but it does outline many of the general problems with csi's writing during that late-game era, including its eschewing of character development, how only working on a single case per episode reduced many of the characters to "glorified lab tech" and/or "courier" status (as you describe above), its over-reliance on spectacle, its lack of serialization/continuity, etc.

this one explains in more detail the shift from the traditional a plot/b plot narrative format into the "one case per episode" one and what this move's effects on the show were overall.

this one talks about how greg's characterization and development were first flattened and then dropped in the later seasons of the show, while this one explains how he got stuck in an interminable holding pattern as part of a never-fully-resolved love triangle with him, morgan, and hodges, which ultimately contributed to his "unfinished" feeling as a character at the end of the series.

as for the topic of sara and her anger in the late series:

that issue is one that has its roots in many of the other issues discussed above.

as new writers came onto the show and, steered by their generally poor writing instincts, made the mistake of focusing their attentions on introducing and highlighting the newer characters (first langston, then russell, finn, and morgan) rather than dividing their attentions equally among the whole cast, they neglected the old characters, essentially relegating them to minor character status. though by all rights, once grissom and catherine had left the show, nick, sara, and greg should have moved to center stage just by virtue of their seniority and how invested the audience was in them, they were largely ignored.

nick got the most development out of the trio post-s12 (when catherine left the show and russell, finn, and morgan replaced her), which is perhaps why you find yourself the least disappointed with his characterization out of anyone's, though even he featured far less prominently and received less development than he should have.

in the meanwhile, sara and greg's development completely fell by the wayside.

while greg's "benching" happened in the wake of the failed love triangle storyline of s12 (as described in the post above), sara's came about following her s13 divorce, after which she never really was given another personal storyline again.

though they would both occasionally be the subject of individual "focus episodes" (e.g., see episode 14x16 "killer moves" for greg or episode 15x12 "dead woods" for sara), any and all development they underwent was consigned to those episodes only; all emotional changes, lessons learned or unlearned, progress/regression, etc. they experienced lasted just until the end credits rolled and then was summarily forgotten about going forward, as if it had never happened to begin with. neither one of them had any kinds of serialized arcs to speak of for the last several seasons of the show.

but here's the thing: not only did they not get any character development in the last several seasons of the show, but their characters themselves were also flattened, reduced down to be caricatures of their former selves.

the new writers who came onto the show following the 2008 writers' strike and later (see the first post linked above) hadn't done their homework. none of them read the show bible or really got a feel for the old characters; they knew them only in a very superficial way.

frankly, all of the characters of the later seasons, both old and new, have the same standard base personality: a very one-note, sitcom-esque “quirky smartness” with a uniform sense of humor, uniform approach to problem solving, uniform professional skillset, and uniform “good guy-ness,” which results in them all tending to speak and act mostly the same across scenes, to the point of interchangeability.

seriously: in 80% of the scenes in the later seasons, you could swap out any one character for any other and the tone, timbre, and outcome of the scene would not be altered at all. there’s no perceptible difference between how sara talks and how finn does, how greg would approach an issue versus how nick would, etc.; they’d all make the same quips and take the same actions across the majority of all scenes.

the writers then tacked on maybe one or two “extra” character traits to each character* in order to “distinguish” them from one another (so that russell becomes base personality + hippie dad, finn becomes base personality + maneater, hodges becomes base personality + self-important weirdo, etc.) and considered their characterization work done, making no further efforts to develop or change anyone over time.

* except for morgan, who is literally just the base personality and nothing else. i mean, seriously, aside from being “nice,” what even is she? how would one describe her? she has no distinguishing characteristics.

compare this very stock characterization in the later seasons to the rich characterization of the early ones: in s1-s8 of the original series, each main character has a very distinctive personality, worldview, and even diction. greg never would or even could have approached solving a problem in the same way that grissom would/could, nick’s dialogue didn’t sound the same across the board as warrick’s, etc. even grissom and sara, who were the two most similar characters, in terms of the basic temperaments, intelligence levels, ways of speaking and comporting themselves, etc., weren’t 1:1 the same as each other; they had enough that varied between them so as not to be mistakable for each other. the main cast felt like six different people, not six versions of the same person. and the storytelling was so much better and more compelling for it! even just on an emotional level, there was so much more dynamism and room for multiple reactions. not everyone was going to bust out the exact same quip at the exact same time, you know?

but whereas the new characters were never anything but this base personality + [insert the one individual characteristic they may or may not possess here], meaning that for as boring as they may be, there’s nothing really to mourn with them in terms of “lost potential,” with the old characters, this adherence to the stock formula is something far more devastating, as in order to make them fit the mold, the writers had to strip them of so much of their former characterizations, divesting them of all of the intricacies that had been part of them throughout the early seasons of the show, leaving them shadows of their former selves.

nick became “standard later seasons personality” plus

nice

texan

traumatized but we’re not quite sure how/in what ways/to what degree and aren’t consistent about depicting him as such

sara became “standard later seasons personality” plus

uncool/nerdy

sarcastic

angry

greg became “standard later seasons personality” plus

has a crush on morgan??????

(that’s really his only “distinguishing” character trait in the last several seasons.)

and all of them shifted from being dramatic characters who had occasional comedic beats to being comedic characters who had occasional dramatic ones. it was like they had been transposed into a sitcom world, despite the very macabre nature of what their procedural was all about; i call it the “ncis-ification of csi.”

it was as if never having watched the early seasons of the show themselves (or only having watched a few episodes here and there), the later seasons writers turned to the wikipedia character summaries for nick, sara, and greg and then based their entire depictions of the characters going forward on what they found in those few paragraphs of description.

there was no nuance or multivalence to how they handled the characters at all, no sense of recourse to their past developments, no sense of history with them, certainly no development going forward, etc.

so.

for as much as i hate the later seasons for what they did to gsr, i hate them even more for what they did to sara sidle, taking the most wonderfully complex, interesting, realistic, subtle, dynamic, well-wrought character i’d ever had the pleasure of watching on tv and turning her into what was essentially just “angry girl, version 1.0,” totally generic in every way.

i still remember my first time watching the scene in episode 15x12 “dead woods” in which sara stalks abby’s boyfriend slade down the hall at pd, runs him up against the wall, and threatens him. while my first reaction was to full-body cringe because, holy god, that was embarrassingly badly written!, my second reaction was to feel heartbreak, because what i was seeing was such a bastardization of my favorite character that she was almost unrecognizable to me, and it was such a shame.

it was like the writers were vaguely aware of older scenes like the one in episode 01x10 “sex, lies, & larvae,” where sara gets in scott shelton’s face, and wanted to replicate them, but they had no idea what would actually make sara tick or what her mechanics were.

theirs was just a bad impression of “sara being triggered,” lacking all understanding of her inner emotional world.

and that’s how sara is throughout the later seasons: most often, just the standard base personality, but with occasional flashes of intense and largely unexplained anger thrown in.

and, i mean—

had they wanted to, they maybe could’ve been more deliberate about depicting sara’s anger, making it an actual plot point that after the divorce, she started to be much more hair-trigger and prone to outbursts, constantly simmering with a low current of frustration that sometimes ignited into full-on flares of fiery temper in cases where she was provoked.

they could’ve shown nick and greg worrying about how on-edge she seemed and maybe even herself fretting over her inability to control herself.

they eventually could’ve written something about how the truth was, she found it easier to be angry at the world than to feel her actual, underlying emotion, i.e., heartbreak over losing the love of her life—because at least the anger was somewhat “empowering,” whereas the heartbreak just made her feel small, helpless, hopeless, and vulnerable, and particularly since she feared it might be unending.

because how could she ever be happy again without grissom?

at some point, they could’ve had the storyline come to a head, maybe with sara crossing a line with a suspect or even one of her team members, being confronted about it (or even faced with suspension) and then breaking down, finally admitting just how hurt she was, maybe going into anger management or therapy or at least just giving voice to her feelings for once.

like.

it wouldn’t have been a storyline i would have favored for her, but it could have been a thing if the writers had wanted to make it one.

it could have been some actual storywork.

but of course it wasn’t.

they never made anything of it.

there was never any sense that the writing of sara as angry was at all purposeful or that it had anything to do with events from her past, either from her childhood or more recently with the divorce.

in the later seasons writers’ incompetent hands, “angry sara” was always just a haphazard thing, something they did with her when the case-of-the-week called for it or when they didn’t know what to do with her otherwise.

never was it delved into.

never was it treated as the problem it was.

since in their minds, sara was just an angry person—ignoring all of her post-episode 05x13 “nesting dolls” development in the earlier seasons of the show—there was no reason to question or probe or explore her anger; it was just a given, something they could fall back on whenever they needed a quick and easy way to ratchet up the emotional tension in a particular episode.

the reason you find yourself unable to explain the motivations behind sara’s anger in s15 is because there aren’t any.

unlike gil grissom, the writers of that season are unwilling to ask what’s made sara so angry. they don’t ever go there, and neither do they want to.

they have no intention to ever look beneath the surface with her.

so they just don’t.

i wish i could tell you that there’s something to look forward to with s14, but there really isn’t. the writing is just as bad and the characterization is just as nonexistent as is the case with s15. sara is certainly just as wasted.

anyway.

thanks for the questions! please feel welcome to send more any time.

#answered #hiei29 #asks: csi #**#my meta #meta: csi #meta: production #meta: sara #later seasons #let's talk shop #fcebl #csiverse

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draculagerard · 1 year

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i know nothing about supernatural, so give me the best part of each season you’ve seen

ILY OK SPN TIME ‼️

This is such a hard question because so many things are constantly happening in that show. Also I’ve seen all 15 seasons so you’re here for some Information. But here we go

S1-3: Sam. Literally Sam ate that shit up sorry who CARESS about anyone else when Sam was there. He ran away from home and got dragged back because the demon that killed his mom also killed his girlfriend who he was going to propose to and he’s there looking for revenge and losing his mind you know

S4: angels are introduced as a concept and so is CASTIEL!!! Cas raises Dean from hell (he died and went to hell last season btw)

S5: killer season. It was about trying to prevent the apocalypse (aka Michael and Lucifer battling) and yeah it was truly the end of an era but start of another.

S6: Castiel villain arc 🖤

S7: this season was. Definitely something. A lot of dick jokes I’m gonna be honest. Anyways they introduced this character named Charlie so I love it for that <3

S8: KILLER season. Destiel are going through purgatory and a shit ton of homosexuality AND Sam goes through major torments. Fun stuff.

S9: I’ma be honest I don’t remember much of this season at all. They were treating Cas and Sam horribly so it can’t be that great

S10: THEY INTRODUCED. ROWENA. Literally the coolest and objectively best character on that show. Like her character development in the show ??? Mindblowing. AND on top of being an insanely good character she’s a hot bisexual milf witch. What more could you want

S11: don’t remember much of this season either but they had a good Sam episode so !!!

S12: The destiel queerbait was so real in this season SORRY. Like they had them fighting and slamming each other into walls and making each other mixtapes and manipulating the other to steal artifacts. Fun gay shit yk ? And also they killed Cas at the end of that

S13: I was gonna stop watching spn here but like. They introduced my best friend Jack so I stuck around for him <3

S14: probably my least favorite season so I’m just ignoring this

S15: They like. Did everything the last season. I don’t even have more to say

Anyways thank you for letting me ramble 💞💞💞

#moose asks #Janus #🖤🖤

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zmediaoutlet · 1 year

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Hello!! I have a Wincest(ish) Wednesday question for you if you're up for it! I was curious if you rewatch the show regularly or have any comfort seasons/episodes?

hi, hello, happy wincest wednesday! (the nice thing about supernatural is that the emotional wincest is canon, so all spn questions are technically wincest questions. quite the hack!)

I do rewatch the show! Not regularly, lol. But any time I'm going to write a fic I'll rewatch moments that I think might help -- as a result I've seen some *parts* of episodes like 100 times, haha. I've watched nearly every episode (barring some s15 stuff I just couldn't stomach), and have watched s1-12 at least twice all the way through.

But I don't binge through a whole season or whatever like I see some people do. "Oh, I'm watching s9 this week!" Not Z. With some buds we're doing a VERY slow rewatch ep-by-ep, but since the finale aired we're still only in s4, haha. That's also the only way I'm going to watch these episodes whole, too; if I rewatch an ep on my own I fast forward a lot. Like I never watch the cold open, and skip most case material. Oh, some blonde screamed and died. Whatever.

That said: a few really great eps that I do go back to sometimes just for the love of the game -- Folsom Prison Blues, most of 6B (especially Like a Virgin/Unforgiven/Mannequin), Ask Jeeves, basically all of s11. I love s11... so much.

You'll notice not much early seasons in there. I don't find early seasons 'comforting' -- it's a lot of character development and important stuff, but when I think about the wincesty thing that I really find to be a home in the show, it's s6-11 that I actually want more of. That's my fave. I should get a waifu pillow with Sera on one side and Carver on the other, lol.

#happy wincest wednesday #answers #rewatching s1 was really a trial #i'm excited to get to s5 though #in the next five years or so #there is some MEAT on that bone

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thebiggestmenace · 3 months

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hurray!

we only got half way through this the first time, so we're officially on the new stuff!!

Cas isn't truly dead, right? he comes back at some point

Jack is so goofy

is Chuck the one to bring them back? and does he even bring them all back? cause I don't think Crowley comes back :(

wait, they burn Cas' body??

Asmodeus??

Jack's copying Dean 🤭

Sam is so good with him :(

gonna say it now, Dean is being an ass

are they just gonna kill everyone the boys know?

wait, is this the Empty?

hi, Sam, I love you

there's things in the Empty????

Cas!!!! you're back!!

Billie's not actually dead?? she's Death now?

the fact that Dean's all happy go lucky now that Cas is back?? 🏳️‍🌈

"he's an angry sleeper. like a bear."

Kevin!!

is Rowena still alive??

of course Ketch is back smdh

and Asmodeus has Cas now

Kaia is so pretty

Dean, threatening her is not gonna go well

oh, no, they're in the Twilight world

not Kaia :(((

omg it's that one guy from tlou

THEY DIDNT KILL ROWENA!!! HI ROWENA <3333333

oh, and she's all powerful? 😏

HI DANNEEL YOU ARE SO PRETTY

GABRIEL??? oh, what have they done to you?

is this even the right spell? *

* yeah, I did not think so

ep15 is so fun

the immediate "what" after Daphne said Dean had the ghost by his thigh? I know what you are

and Sam's been taken again

yk I think the only thing Ketch has going for him is that he's the one that freed Gabriel

and of course they're separating again smdh this never ends well

CHARLIE??!!

Sam, don't be mean to him :(

please tell me Sam isn't the one to kill Rowena.

NAOMI???

how do they fix the angel problem?

Gabe is so flirting with Sam oml

WE GOT TO SEE JACKS WINGS????? AND HE WAS PROTECTING MARY??? oh, he is so fucking cool

"and if we die, we'll do that together, too." AND YOU EXPECT ME TO BE NORMAL ABOUT THIS????

and they're all back now? **

** nope, it's a weird ass dream

why does this have the vibes of the walking dead?

I'M SORRY, WHAT JUST HAPPENED

oops thought this was e22

is that our Cas or their Cas? oh, it's theirs

Gabriel, no

wait, I remember the big group at the bunker??? but like nothing else?

somebody give Jack a hug

wait, yeah, how does everybody get back??

Dean deserved that day at the beach with Sam and Cas.

how the hell are they already back??

is Jack gonna kill him?

what the fuck, how is that even allowed

don't you do it, Dean

just use it on Lucifer?

Jack, no

oh, they're fighting in the air now 🤭

please tell me this is the last of Lucifer

oh he looks so dapper now

what a season, holy shit. I have so many thoughts, but I can't articulate any of them. I have fears for the next season cause how exactly are you gonna get Michael out of Dean? we don't have Crowley anymore, so what's the other option? and what about Jack? is he gonna be okay without some grace? is it gonna regenerate like it does for the other angels, or is it a fixed supply? I also fear a lot of people will be dying for ✨️plot✨️ reasons. needless to say, this season was a time and I fear the last 2 (????????) aren't gonna be any better

s1, s2, s3, s4, s5, s6, s7, s8, s9, s10, s11, s12, s13, s14, s15

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quietwingsinthesky · 9 months

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Omg no don't be sorry! I think it's great that your AU is about recovering from trauma, spn characters more than need it & I think a large part of the fanbase [queer young adults whose teenage comfort media was spn] also deserve to see that kind of catharsis ♥️

<3 there's definitely a lot of catharsis involved lmao. a lot of the decisions for the outline of the au are based off of things i saw in the show that. didn't make me angry exactly but did make me go, okay but why. why is this how it goes.

maybe it's just because i'm a kripke era lover above all else, but that part of the show really got it, you know? it went Here Are The Cycles. You Do Not Have To Become The Next Cycle. You Can Choose Something Else. as flawed as those seasons are, and as dark as they get, they're constantly outlined with a sort of hope, you know, "hope's kind of the whole point". which as the show goes on, it loses that. most of supernatural is just perpetual low points with no reprieve, which is required because they're always upping the stakes, making the situation worse to keep us invested, but at a certain point... why? is this the story we're telling now? that actually, it's inevitable, there is no fighting, there's no redeeming side of love only the horror and the damnation of it, life sucks and rocks fall and everyone dies now go home?

it's fine, to me, that that's the story supernatural ends up being. it's even fun sometimes. i like doom and gloom as much as the next person. but it is not really how i'd like this au to go, if i ever write something substantial for it.

(actually, if we want to talk about things supernatural did that actually made me angry on a storytelling level, uh. it's childish. it's very. s5 got something right when they said, fuck it, god doesn't care. he stepped in once and he thinks you should get your shit together from here. you can leave voicemails but he's not listening. there's no malice there, just. indifference.

and then by s15, actually, it turns out that god is an evil mastermind who hates You, Specifically, who has no redeeming qualities and has just been fucking the winchesters over because it's fun.

and we cannot really separate here that god is also supposed to be. well. a dad. the ultimate concept of A Dad. s4-5, hell even s11 to an extent, have a much more nuanced view of this. it feels more mature, both from the religious and the daddy issues standpoint. s15 feels like someone didn't go to therapy long enough to realize their parents were people too.

so on that point, i don't think god is the final boss of the marie au. i don't think there is a final boss of the marie au. it's just the consequences of everyone's actions, slowly rolling into each other. if god is a villain here, it's because supernatural gave omniscience to a flawed, insecure man who has been re-enacting his betrayal of his own sister for millennia through his own children. which is still fucked! but it's also not evil for evil's sake.

(no more evil for evil's sake in marie au. that's why lucifer is being reset to factory settings. will he still have to live with all that he's done, even if it wasn't entirely his choice to do it? yes. but he'll live.))

adhsjahdjshk im rambling now. this au is so self-indulgent and v much still in the vague outline stage. im just throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks.

#ask #marieposting

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i go through a lot of s15 eps for screencaps because i mean lots of jack and amara and eileen and etc but god sam’s hair in s15 is my enemy and i hate it i just want some good sam screencaps but there are so little in s15

#like i go through other seasons but i have A LOT of s15 and just ugh #rey actually speaks

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slowly making my way through jake's panel and not even a minute in he's already going all out with innuendos lmfao i love him. i'm gonna use bullet points.

he's mentioned the odd couple spin-off for michael and adam again when someone asked him what kind of uncles michael and adam would have been. his reply: “fancy cool cute uncles. [...] i wish they were my uncles. i'm my own uncle!” aw ♡

okay i love this one, so, Q: “adam as a character kind of had a lot of mistrust with people and kind of betrayals, like during season 5 or when he came back. which character do you think he would punch hardest in the face?” jake: “i was gonna say god! i think that’s fair, i think he’s so close to michael that he’d be like, ‘Hey! Asshole! You mess with my ‘‘uncle-buddy’’, you mess with me.’ uh, yeah i think he’d punch chuck in the face real hard and he would have michael’s power when he did it. he’d be super pissed, like—” [insert onomatopoeic sound idk how to convey lol]

oh someone asked him a neat thing-y (no it’s not a/b/o territory yet) ! Q: “if you were to write a supernatural story set in an alternate universe when everyone is human, who’s gonna get together, how raunchy is it, like—“ jake: “you shouldn’t use my imagination, you said it’s an alternate universe, which set me up and i was like going places. but they have to be human?” Q: “oh, they don’t have to, if you really don’t want them to be human, you’ve got other ideas. i’m not saying—“ jake: “you’re good! [...] i think we can piggyback on the odd couple sitcom idea, i think it’s definitely the way to go and yeah, you bet your butt it’s gonna be raunchy. the whole pitch— that’s my whole pitch, like, much like my panels the show’s a little horny. not inappropriately sooo! but we’re gonna ride the line a little, alright? Gotta Make Some Things Canon! yeah, so it would be— and as far as our physical form, hhm! we should be something. we should have tails or something. i’m not joking, i’m Not going There, stop saying that. [moment of silence] that’s it! :D” OKAY YOU MENACE.

off topic but i want the confidence of the girl who greeted him by saying 'hi bestie! :)'

anyway she asked him which one of his line would benefit from the f-word in his opinion and he ended up going with "since when do we get what we fucking want deserve," LITERALLY YEAH.

he got asked which character was more fun to play — a demigod and an archangel — and on one hand jake said michael never got to fly (we were robbed for that. assuming that he wouldn't have turned out like the au!michael vs lucifer mid-air fight lol) whilst luke did, but on the other hand he played two people in the same scene and that was also a lot of fun. "i got to work with my favorite actor, scene parter, he made me better i think i made him better," LMFAO

Q: "i was just wondering how you feel about adam being left behind in lucifer's cage, especially with how often dean and same are trying to save each other and then they just kind of rushed right past adam." jake: "yeah it's pretty shitty! it's a Pretty Shitty thing to do—forget about your brother. however, I Think the time spent between adam and michael was not wasted..." i'm sorry what. "and i honestly think the relationship— uh, i joked about wanting to be run over [by a bus. it's a joke about his coming back before s15 happened lol], but it was really fun to explore that close relationship that they had. i think that's like, it was really a unique thing to explore; this bond that was created, the fact they probably went insane together and then like... was each other's therapist. like got a grip on reality again. yeah, pretty messed up. appreciate it."

Q: "if you had a choice, what hair color would michael and adam dye their hair?" it's so funny :'D jake's answer is: pink mohawk for adam, and michael would probably just dye his hair darker. like the deepest back that's not available to humans.

Q: "what album or artist do you think adam would love, like, his favorite movie?" jake.exe has stopped working lol he didn't know right away so he asked the fan and she said she's a taylor swift fan, "so i think he's a sucker for Red," and jake agreed and added that, "adam thought he liked 1989 but then Red came out," then thought about it and said it would be a music compilation from '1998 reunion - now that's what i call music'.

... y'all, A/B/O time has come lol

LE CHAOS.

HIS FACE.

THE "you're welcomeeeeee," IN THE CROWD.

okay. i refuse to transcribe everything, but the question was about michael and adam's secondary genders lol. jake: "here's the thing! i hadn't A Clue what [stnads] meant when she—michelle sent that to me. i googled it. i took that bite from the apple of knowledge, and now i cannot take the taste out of my mouth. so, yeah she sent it to me for approval, she said, 'hey what d'you think?' and i was like, 'ehm, let me look this up,' and then i did. and i was like, Fucking Go For It! [...] okay so, who would be the alpha and who would be the omega. i think we all know michael would be the alpha, do we not agree?" (cue sounds from the audience) "we think Adam is the alpha?" (i should have been there i'm cackling. someone said 'because he keeps michael in check!') "... okay, now you changed my mind."

someone made a daddy joke about it, but i didn't get it so like, okay to each one their own. i still disagree and thought he got it right the first time around.

okay, he's talking about the natural-born killers episode a director pitched for him in season nine, we all know the one — with michael and adam on the road. we were robbed.

a fan is talking about a theory where adam is actually raphael's true vessel because he was pre-med and there’s a theoretical fourth brother somewhere out there. what makes me laugh is jake saying we'll had him to the sitcom and going, "another younger brother?" / "yeah we should have that," / "no we shouldn't. there can only be one alpha."

jake: i might just actually write that as a non-supernatural thing. not a bad idea! someone in the crowd: make it a fanfiction and pitch us it! jake: calm dowm.

alright, there is a whole lot of fun stuff going on and it's funny, like he and his brother thinking hanson were pretty girls and then finding out they’re actually pretty boys. also more a/b/o discourse. and he made his dean voice and went, "daddy's here," and "daddy's home."

Q: "since adam and michael spent a lot of time in the cage, of all the activities that they did to keep themselved busy what do you think was the dumbest?" jake: "grow a mustache and blow dry it."

Q: "if adam ruled hell, what's the first thing that he would change?" jake: "the elevator music would have '1998 now that's what i call music' on the loop because it still has to be a little bit like Hell. i think hell has elevator music."

and that’s it, that’s all folks :’)

#shut up fran.#got there for the #midam #stuff and stayed for his chaotic ass #all's normal #you're welcome :)#if there are any errors welp english's my second language and i was busy laughing my ass off so. yolo

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Let's talk about Supernatural 15x07, "Last Call."

Or as I like to call it, "the episode that makes me go feral because it tells us so much about Dean's sexuality, character, and arc."

YES others have written meta! YES I will talk about it myself for the satisfaction! I LOVE IT SO MUCH.

This post was originally a thread on Twitter and I am crossposting it to my blog.

Alt image IDs are included in that linked Twitter thread!

Join me on this journey.

What's the context of this episode? Dean's been kind of down/depressed, feeling hopeless in the face of the idea that they have to defeat God (and not really working towards that goal much), and he's mid-divorce with Cas. He goes out on this solo case to try to clear his head.

And he ends up at Swayze's Bar.

Look, there are many things to be said about this. Dean loves Patrick Swayze. Arguably has a CRUSH on Swayze. It's very tied up in Dean pretending not to like "chick flicks" but he secretly does, which is queer coding. This was a Choice™️.

Speaking of Choices™️: professional actors made many here. Deliberately.

Dean is smacked on the ass by a woman and then Lee smacks him on the ass too. Dean and Lee CONSTANTLY have physical familiarity and fond eye contact. I will limit myself to 1 paragraph about this lest I list it all.

My point is that I just really need every person to digest and accept the fact that this is textually bi Dean. Not subtext; it's TEXT.

Dean and Lee had a relationship. Their history is alluded to in touch and in words. They had an orgy together. Dean's bisexuality is not repressed.

It's also now canon that Dean tries to hide that he can sing well. Most people don't know (like Sam) but some do (Lee). Hence "Eye of the Tiger" callback.

And so: that's also the implication for his sexuality. Dean singing ON STAGE with bi lighting is him being ready to be Out.

They dedicated an entire half an ep at minimum to emphasizing he's bi... and to Dean having a conversation with someone he (initially) trusts about potentially having a break from hunting, and what that could mean.

LEE: You're chasing missing persons, huh? I thought you'd be on to something bigger by now, like the Loch Ness Monster... Bigfoot.

DEAN: Trust me, uh, bigger doesn't always equal better. Besides, who's gonna look out after the little guy? God certainly isn't.

LEE: Damn, brother, that's dark.

DEAN: Yeah, it's been a rough, uh... it's been a rough decade, Lee.

LEE: Yeah.

DEAN: But that's a conversation for a different time, 'cause this, this right here, this is all right.

LEE: Well, I'm glad you approve. This is nothing you can't have, man.

DEAN: Oh, come on. Who's gonna kill the bad guys?

LEE: Somebody else. Dean, how many lives you think you saved, huh? Hundreds? Thousands? You deserve a break, bro. Hell, you might even deserve two.

"But Lee turns out to be a villain!" some might say. "Isn't the point that giving up hunting is bad?"

Nope.

Lee's a DARK MIRROR for Dean. He exists to exhibit the truths behind Dean's desires, and then what they'd look like if they turned bad. Take it from him: "I am you."

There are LAYERS here. You can't focus on the dark side and ignore the truths that take place in the (often bi) light.

The singing? The conversations about taking a break? Throwing men out of the bar, which is framed heroically? "Road House rules" (another Choice™️)?

NONE of that was bad. It shows what Dean wants.

Things only get bad–literally and visually–when Dean's tied up as Lee suddenly says wrong things in the dark.

The contrast exists to show that maintaining Goodness is a choice, and Dean would have no problem upholding that.

LEE: It's called a marid. It's a freaky-looking little thing, isn't it? [Lee laughs, and Dean stares at him, incredulous] Ah. As long as you feed it, it gives you money, it gives you health, everything you dreamed of.

DEAN: And so, what, it just costs innocent lives?

LEE: Dean, you and I both know no one's innocent. After everything we've done, aren't... aren't we owed a little happiness, huh? Don't we deserve that much?

DEAN: Listen to yourself. "We're owed." "We deserve." Come on, man. You're not God. Hell, God's not even God.

LEE: Good or bad... the world doesn't care. No one cares, Dean.

DEAN: Well, I do.

LEE: Yeah. And that's what got you here. Now, takes a while to drain a man, but listen to me. Don't worry about it, all right? Don't worry because once you lose a couple of pints, you just fall asleep, and then it'll be over.

[Lee pats Dean on the shoulder]

DEAN: Lee.

LEE: This... this is not how I wanted this to go, Dean. When that blonde girl walked in here last night, I should've know, you know, Dean Winchester, the righter of wrongs, you were gonna keep digging, and you were gonna figure me out. And if it's got to be you or me, well, I got to pick me, man.

"No one cares, Dean."

"Well, I do."

It's a reminder to himself as much as it is to Lee. It's a re-centering of purpose that he sorely needs.

And what's also key? Lee is human, but is now a "monster" in Dean's words. Because Lee lost his ability to care, Dean can't abide by that.

(Side note: bonus for the fact that Lee dies up against a wall by being impaled and he coughs up blood. You know who doesn’t cough up blood in their very weird and unrealistic death scene? Dean in the finale.)

Remember: Lee is a dark mirror for Dean. "I am you."

By fighting and (tragically) killing Lee, Dean "kills" the darker side of himself. The side that's struggling to keep going right now... AND the side that fears eventually wanting a break means you must be selfish and stop caring.

He can keep going. He can find strength to fight God–and in the end, take a break and CHOOSE peace. It won't make him dark. He's the most caring man on Earth, even when it's hard. That’s reinforced later.

Isn't he owed a little happiness? And that's not in the having. It's in just being.

The bonus is what's going on with Cas in this episode.

Dean's clearing his head and finding his center again while Cas is calling him.

Come home. I need you. Remember what matters.

And again, contrast: Lee turns out not to be "real/true" in the way Dean thought he was. But Cas IS.

And after Dean goes through all of this... he's grounded again, he recognizes that even amongst questions of what God controls there are still choices to be made, he's reminded that letting his caring heart lead him is priority, he's lost another friend...

He comes home to Cas.

It's awkward. They're still distanced.

But this episode is a turning point for Dean. He's not angry at Cas anymore, he wants to talk, he's ready to move forward... he just doesn't know how to yet.

And if you follow the through-line... then you get Rowena saying "fix it"... and then after that is the Purgatory prayer.

I just !!!

S15 is packed with Dean development to hone in towards the end of his arc, but "Last Call" manages to hit SO many buttons.

• He's always been bi, & is ready to be Out

• He can want a break–& maybe run a bar like the Roadhouse

• Caring is at the core of who he is

It's about the CHOICE. It's about wanting to live your truths, and that "caring" can mean many things–from defeating God and saving the world, to making the hard choices when it counts, to maybe running a bar where people are safe.

14x10 and its matching Texan Star also say hello:

DEAN: How come you always have a boyfriend?

PAMELA: How come you only want what you can't have?

DEAN: Whoa.

PAMELA: Besides, you don't want me. You just like to flirt. I'm a psychic, so I kinda know.

DEAN: All right.

PAMELA: So, still not ready to sell the bar, huh? It's a lot of money.

DEAN: Sell? This bar? This is my dream.

PAMELA; Yeah.

And I recognize that rereading this info is sad(der) now because of what we got in the end, so uh... sorry.

But that's half the point: it's repeatedly blatantly clear what we were meant to get, down to deliberate echoes in word choice–caring, happiness, deserve, even Roadhouse.

Dean was meant to choose to take a break, maybe run a bar–whether on Earth or in Heaven. At minimum, if Dean was meant to end up in Heaven, he was meant to choose it with eyes wide open. And the next time the phone rang with Cas' name (15x19), he RAN for him. He was VERY ready.

And the whole season tells you that. This episode is just my favorite.

So... thanks for letting me ramble on about it!!!

DEAN WINCHESTER: BI ICON, ONCE-LOVER OF LEE WEBB, THE MOST CARING MAN ON EARTH WHO DESERVED TO CHOOSE PEACE AFTER GAINING HIS FREEDOM, & SOULMATE TO AN ANGEL

And a very big thank you to the talented kings Jensen Ackles & Christian Kane, and their longstanding friendship. They gave me many rights with their acting choices.

Here's an iconic bonus for the road.

#supernatural #spn meta #15x07 Last Call #Lee Webb #Dean Winchester #Destiel #Dean is bi #took a lot of self control for me to not go FUCKING FERAL in this #char writes things

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Results of the Ultimate Supernatural Survey (Part 5 of 5): Favorite and Least Favorite Season Fourteen and Fifteen Episodes, and Favorite and Least Favorite Episodes Of All Time

Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4

And here’s the final part! Another thank you to everyone who participated, and a special thanks to the people that interacted with these results. I really appreciate it!

Season Fourteen

The s14 winner is 14x13 Lebanon, followed by 14x04 Mint Condition, 14x20 Moriah, and 14x12 Prophet and Loss.

Lebanon was particularly popular with fans of the Winchester family, as it was the first and only time since the pilot where all four members were together again. It’s a very unique episode in that sense. Mint Condition has a lot of humor and heart, and is a well liked episode as a result. Moriah had a huge reveal with Chuck has the final villain and ended the season with an impressive bang. Prophet and Loss is an emotionally heavy episode, and many people love the performances of the leads in it.

Here are your comments:

Some of these were SO hard. Honorary shoutout to Peace of Mind which has some of the best Cas lines and Heaven Can’t Wait which IS one of my favorite episodes, I just couldn’t pass up Bad Boys because I could honestly watch that episode over and over. Sorry I’m a Deangirl do you still think I’m hot

There’s a pretty clear winner here: 14x19 Jack in the Box, followed by 14x13 Lebanon, 14x03 The Scar, 14x09 The Spear, and 14x16 Don’t Go Into the Woods.

Jack in the Box is…not a well liked episode. It takes a complicated situation and barges through it with the lack of nuance that is so present on the show. Almost nobody emerged looking good, and it never really got addressed properly. Next is Lebanon, which many people dislike as much as others like, especially with the ways in which it focused on the Winchester family. The Scar is the third episode with Michael!Dean, which was a concept that people are fairly split on. The Spear contains the repossession of Dean, which also plays into fan reactions of the concept. Finally, 14x16 contains lore elements that are problematic and appropriative.

Here are your comments:

I don’t even remember season 14 well enough to have a least favourite

I honestly have a hard time with those last 3 episodes of S14. And a good chunk of S15. But overall I still love this show.

Season Fifteen

The winner of favorite s15 episode is 15x20 Carry On, followed by 15x18 Despair and 15x09 The Trap.

Carry On is an episode that inspires strong reactions, and we’ll get to more on that in the next section. Regardless, though, enough people loved it and it’s portrayal of the brothers to consistently vote to bring it to the top of s15 episodes, causing it to win the season. Despair is also extremely well known even outside watchers of the show, as it confirmed Cas’ love for Dean which made their shippers very pleased. The Trap is loved for similar reasons: it also focused quite a lot on Dean and Cas’ relationship. It’s also a strong episode for Sam and his faith and his hope.

Here are your comments:

Still not over the finale, also I never watched season 15 because i am still in denial of the finale so I picked a random fave episode

i havent seen half of s15 so some of that may be imprecise. also many worst episodes were based on the vaguest of memories

Season 15 was very uneven. Although there were a number of individual moments that stood out, there were very few episodes that were great all the way through. Although the finale was painful to watch because it was so hard to say goodbye, it was still emotionally satisfying. I feared it would be lame, and it was anything but.

Finally, the worst episode of s15 is 15x20 Carry On, followed by 15x18 Despair and 15x10 The Heroes’ Journey.

For the first time, an episode clearly won both favorite and least favorite in a single season. Carry On is probably the most controversial episode on the show. There are many who heavily disliked this episode and the endings that the characters received. It’s extremely polarizing, to put it mildly. Despair again takes second place here, as some people disliked the Destiel parts and others disliked the way Cas’ time on the show ended. Finally, 15x10 and it’s attempts at humor was seen as cringey and unfunny by many.

Here are your comments:

I love this show very much. Watched literally from the very beginning to the very end for fifteen years, despite everything, because it was dear to me. will never recover from.that ruinous wound of an ending, but also it's not canon and I reject its existence, along with most of S15. it's heartbreaking how disgusting the ending was, but I'll always love and be grateful for the characters and the place they had in my life.

Realizing I have seen almost none of s14/15 and very little of 11-13. so my least favorite episode might not be accurate.

I’m not one of those starry-eyed fans who thought, in spite of all the flaws, that this show would somehow stick the landing. And, lo, I was right. I always knew they were gonna flub the finale. Always. I didn’t think they were gonna flub it so badly as to undo literally FIFTEEN YEARS OF PLOT AND CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. But that’s where we are.

And now: the final question. What are considered the best and the worst of the entire show? Because the answers were so varied, I have provided you with ALL the numbers for this one. Feel free to take a closer look at the data to see all the specifics! I’ll give you the top five for each category, and let’s see what we get.

Favorite Episode of All Time

The winner of top episode of the whole show is 5x22 Swan Song. Second place is 6x20 The Man Who Would be King. Third place is 11x04 Baby. Fourth place is 15x20 Carry On. Fifth place is 11x17 Red Meat.

After all these years, Swan Song still reigns supreme. Many people still consider it to be the best episode on the show, and have been ever since it first came out over a decade ago. A very popular Cas episode snagged second place, and the critically acclaimed Baby got third. Fourth is the most polarizing episode on the show, and fifth is a very narratively satisfying episode about the brothers.

I think what these results tell us is that generally, fans prefer episodes that are about the Winchester brothers. They also show us that the most popular Cas episodes are ones where he is working largely on his own, away from the influence of the Winchesters.

Here are your comments:

It ended perfectly

The finale is amazing!

It's hard to answer "fave/least fave ep on the show" because when I'm looking back on the whole show, it's not necessarily episodes but moments and arcs that stand out for me in this way. Picking an *episode* feels almost meaningless.

Least Favorite Episode of All Time

The most hated episode of the whole show is 15x20 Carry On. Second place is 9x20 Bloodlines. Third place is 15x18 Despair. Fourth place is 8x15 Man’s Best Friends with Benefits. Fifth place is 1x08 Bugs.

Carry On won this by a significant margin. As we mentioned earlier, many genuinely despise this episode. The failed spin off is second, confession episode third, a weirdly racist episode fourth, and a notions season one episode fifth.

What can we say about these results? People generally hated the finale, of course. They also hate episodes that don’t focus on the protagonists, particularly racist episodes, and a significant portion did not like the confession episode for one reason or the other.

Here are your comments:

I wish sam and dean died together :(

The Finale was a shit-show and ruined so much.

Unity is also very close to being my least favorite episode on the show

what the FUCK was that finale though.

i hate the way dean died and i hate sam's ending

Yeah, the show's finale was garbage. I could write an essay about how it not only undermines the season's arc but also the entire series. ALSO r u gonna tell me that that wig was worthy of a 15 season show finale????

The finale sucked

Istg if Carry On isn’t the least liked episode imma shoot someone. Probably the C*W lol

i don't even know man. i couldn't be bothered to look up episodes so this is only semi honestly done. also I just straight up don't remember what happened in the later seasons. sometimes I just look at the list and said to myself "well i might as well, eh" was a bit tempted to lost citizen fang as both my favourite and least favourite EP of 8th season. i also chose not to choose least favourite eps because. i just don't have that strong opinions (at least not with my state of memory - and also just discouing the episodes that are genuinely problematic since i figured this survey is about opinions and if something is just objectively bad and I chose this as a least fav EP it doesn't really say anything about my opinions on the show? maybe . idk it's late

I'm sooooo bad at differentiating between episodes, especially the titles

Final Thoughts and Comments

I thought I would leave this section up to you! Here’s some more of your comments, based on overall positive or negative feelings about the show:

Positive Overall Conclusion

Having to choose only episode for the favourites was just cruel

God, thinking about these made me wanna watch the show AGAIN

My favourite episode changes, but I'm going with this one today!

You should make a poll with ships in it too. It’d be interesting to know.

God I love this show!!!

this quiz really reminded me just how many episodes in every season i actually love? it was hard to pick a favorite for almost every season tbh

deancas endgame

You should do favourite authors- mine are Bedlund or Yockey

Will always miss this show

Negative Overall Conclusion

maybe i DONT like supernatural…enlightening quiz. i definitely don’t consume it ep by ep so it’s really hard to choose this way

My brain is supernatural hell soup

it was hard to pick least favorites because the ones i don’t like are just kinda. unremarkable

This was way harder than I thought it would be!

this show sucks ass

Sorry for being vague I can’t remember all the eps lmao

Any of those goddamn dog episodes. Much like Mila Kunis in Jupiter Ascending I love dogs but holy shit is this show bad at dogs

Not every season had many episodes that were particularly memorable for me to where I could assign them a favorite or least favorite off the top of my head tbh, which is why I didn't fill everything out. Also hi Ana :)

man, this show lasted too long

it was hard to pick least faves for some of the seasons so I just picked the ones I remembered the least. some of them are just rubbish though

Very hard to pick just one least favourite episode….

Some of them are so hard to distinguish from each other (I have a decently bad memory) that i just. Don’t have options.

this show is fucking racist lol

A lot the episodes I said I hated, I mean I hated because they make me sad. & SPN makes me sad.

Can’t remember what is called but it was dumb

I need a nap

hhhhhhh it’s so hard when there’s literally no standout moment in a season that you like

This show has taken up far too much of my time

I've watched every episode of this show and didn't recognise half of these...

There's peace now that I'm done.

#spn #supernatural #sam winchester #dean winchester #castiel #speaks #spn survey

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Rating the ninjago season based on what I’ve gathered from binging the show in 3 weeks while not paying attention 70% of the time

(Spoilers obviously)

Season 1 / Pilot: not often on TV but a very good introduction to the story, love the concept of the skeletons and Garmadon being a knock off Hades, I wish they continued with that instead of the snakes, sadly kinda too fast paced but hey it’s supposed to be a movie I guess, 9/10

Season 2: what my local kids channel played for 5 years on loop, a classic but I’m tired of it bc I’ve seen it too often, has a lot of plot holes and the snakes are too goofy at times for my taste, terrible animation in comparison to the newer seasons, 5/10

Season 3: not as good as I remember it to be but their outfits slap, we finally get to meet PIXAL our queen, the trip to space was kinda random and unnecessary, but the shock when Zane died tho???? 12 year old me was devastated, 8/10

Season 4: really interesting premise, I wish they had committed to Zane staying dead or at least staying away for longer tho, the tension is lost halfway through the season somehow, we need more Skylor content, 7/10

Season 5: Nya has powers now?? And oh it’s just the thing we need to defeat the ghosts???? And airjitzu????? Really?????? Great writing very wow, but Cole being turned into a ghost had me shook so that’s really what saves this season for me, gonna have to subtract some points again tho bc Morro is yelling so much and so loud and it’s annoying, 5.5/10

Season 6: I like the idea of the evil dschinn in a bottle but the rest?? Dschinnjago (how tf is it even spelled)?? What the fuck where’s the creativity, and I hate how literally no one gets character development besides Jay and Nya, literally everyone else had no personality and then gets sucked into that sword, if you’re a jaya stan good for you but this season was so boring to me, 4/10

Season 7: okay this is a hot take bc apparently people kinda like this season and maybe it’s bc I paid even less attention than usual but it was so bad,,,,, snakes again? Can we come up with something different please? Yes the time blades are a cool concept but the rest?? And the character design of the villains is so bad, like seriously what the fuck, my eyes are bleeding, 2/10

Season 8: I was kind of sceptical when they suddenly started with that royal family stuff but Harumi,,, my beloved, the one and only girl boss, I think she’s the best villain of the entire show (yes her goal is kinda cheap but the reason for it and the way she behaves is just top tier villiany), the motorcycle gang is kinda fun as well, dad Cole has my whole heart, and the ending???? BRO?????? 9/10

Season 9: in retrospect it’s really just 4 gays raising a kid in the desert, gives me big mad max fury road vibes at least the aesthetic (i haven’t seen the movie lol), the junk yard baron guy and the faith plot are kinda cringe tho and the HTTYD scene with Kai?? They don’t even try to conceal that it’s a knock off, same camera angle and everything, the plot in ninjago city is like,,,, bro is this still a kids show?? This is straight up ‚a bunch of teens try to fight the fascistic regime in a post apocalyptic world‘, the whole season feels like a filler tho so 7.5/10

Season 10: that Lloyd / Garmadon fight really is something, have the creators forgotten they’re making a kids show??? Don’t remember much besides Harumi straight up dying and thinking that Skylor needs more screentime besides being a plot device, 7/10

Season 11: the beginning is veeeery slow which is kind of annoying and what happened to the plot with Aspheera?? Did I not pay attention again or....?? but the rest? Chefs kiss, love it, Akita my beloved,,,,, I didn’t see Zane as the emperor coming at first (although it’s pretty on the nose now that i think about it) but it’s so dark and so well written I love it,,, like I said a thousand times without the advisor guy and them not having to make it suitable for kids it could have been even better, the ending was so rushed tho and the conflicts were resolved way too easily, that’s why I have to subtract a point, 9/10

Season 12: this season could have used so much more superstar rocking jay content,,, seriously if you give Jay yet another season then fucking commit to it, the second half of the season is literally s6 all over again and I hate it, yes we get it jaya rules but please,,, give the other characters some screentime and development, the way the conflict with unagami is solved is,, questionable??? Like that’s not how it works bro, 6.5/10

Season 13: not at all what I expected it to be bc I had seen so much amazing stuff on here so I was pretty disappointed bc it didn’t feel like Cole’s season, the evil dad trope is overused so pls stop it, the uply (???) and their animated short slapped, we need to see more of Cole’s mom,,, pleeasseeeee, 7/10

Season 14: what the fuck?? Is going on???? Is this even a season??? What’s up with the western colonizers club????? I know it’s set up for s15 but I really didn’t like it esp the portrayal of indigenous people as savages (at least it has the vibe), 1/10

Season 15: listen I’m just not a fan of non human species in the lego world, the snakes were okay but these sea bitches look horrible, the evil son had a great voice actor tho, and the ending,,,,,, bro i still haven’t recovered, I never expected them to commit to something like that, 6.5/10

#ninjago

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mittensmorgul · 3 years

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rewatching s15 over the last week or so has been refreshingly eye opening. I know a lot of folks have been unable to bring themselves to rewatch, but I think this is my third full rewatch just running through the entire season. I cannot begin to explain how perfect the season is up to this point. Perfect enough that I will still forgive the clumsiness of 15.19 because it effectively gets the dirty job of punishing Chuck in the worst possible way done.

Try to tell me Chuck wouldn’t have preferred his own death to being rendered human. In his eyes, being a powerless human being with no other recourse against cosmic forces and reality is the PERFECT end for him. Killing him would’ve been too damn easy.

But where the show completely falls down is everything after that point. Which is why I’m absolutely convinced that Chuck actually won. Everything was his long con plan to bring about his ultimate ending-- one brother dying so the other could live a hollow half-life. But what so many people overlook in all of this is that it was always Chuck’s plan to turn Jack into the “ultimate vessel” for his own power. A vessel that the Winchesters would not suspect of just carrying on his own plan. Everything in the finale is the Ending Chuck wanted.

Free will lost, love lost, redemption and humanity lost.

I cannot believe that if Jack was still Jack in any way that he would’ve let Cas’s sacrifice for him stand. I cannot believe that the Winchesters in possession of their own free will would’ve just... reverted back to what they were pre-series and forgotten about everyone and everything they cared about and were willing to sacrifice themselves to save. Like... Chuck won in the version we were shown on tv.

Either the meta-connection to their universe that allowed us to watch their story unfold was severed at the moment Chuck’s power was drained and in a very meta way “our writers had to make up some sort of ending,” or else TFW simply didn’t realize they were still “in the story” and willingly fulfilling all of Chuck’s designs.

There’s no real way to understand what happened any better than that. I can’t even credit another interpretation of the events at this point.

It’s one reason I’m incredibly wary of them attempting to ever make more of the series. I’m not sure any continuation would acknowledge any of this, and I’m honestly not interested in a version of the show that presumes everything picks up from a point post-15.20 as if it all happened exactly as it appeared to.

So much for “Heaven is a paradise of free will!” if Dean gets “bored” enough to want to go back to Earth, you know? Heaven as it was in 15.20 is an existential horror, and that’s the minimum baseline acknowledgement that needs to be addressed if they ever do make more of the show.

heck I have so much more to say, but I have Adulting to take care of now... boo adulthood...

#spn 15.17 #spn 15.18 #spn 15.19 #spn 15.20 #spiders georg of the tnt loop #the finale isn't the final statement on the rest of the story it's the spiders georg of the story

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please elaborate on how s1 dean and s15 sam are similar if u can! that sounds really interesting

when I talk about this I'm talking a lot about abuse dynamics!

One of the interesting things about Sam and Dean is their different fear responses change dramatically (and in some ways switch). Dean in season 1 has quite an intense fawn response (towards John) while Sam is more fight/flight. Sam switches these off by considering them quite evil or through more helplessness and goes more to freeze/fawn while Dean's fight response gets hardwired more intense at the show goes on. (which is extremely notable post Hell where his anger and sadism were the only way to escape torture, but also with the progression of the show in general).

So I think what I really mean to say is that like, in terms of the cycles of abuse, Sam generally becomes revictimised while Dean carries on the cycle of abuse as a perpetrator, but like in this Sam isn't the way he was earlier on to react to Dean even when the target isn't on himself. When Dean is lashing out and abusing Jack, Sam doesn't wish to see it, but he can't trust himself or find a way to really react a lot of the time. He is deeply trying to like, understand Dean's entire perspective because he's been shown time and time again going with his own is wrong and immoral ends with horrible consequences and he has to follow Dean's, but this is like, his downfall in terms of letting things that are bad to happen when it would be better for him to go against it.

So like, he is still in some ways complicit with what happens to Jack because he has a position of power over Jack (like Dean in s1), but neither of them are really... to blame as victims (though Dean I do think is a lot less aware while I think Sam is just untrusting of his own self and frozen).

There are like a lot of differences in them, but I also do think some of the ways they display wants and needs mirror each other (s1 Dean has regrets about wanting a normal life, feels trapped in this life, but also sees it as the only way to have connection and family. this is the same for later seasons Sam). Sam's personality later and Dean's personality early are also very much shaped by trying to react to an abusive person in their life too. Sam was an abuse victim earlier on as well, but even if in some ways he did want to believe John's perspective and was easy to switch fast, he was able to go against John with his fear responses and his own inner sense of self and ambition which is not present later on nearly as much at all.

#incoherents #tw abuse #wank cw #sam winchester #dean winchester #jack kline #john winchester #sam and dean #sam and jack #dean and jack #sammy #john #dean #jack #jack is VERY much like sam earlier on but he's too much like cas to have the same fear responses f;aeifha;ew

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for anyone curious, the following meta and the elaboration below are in relation to this post. i posted this to another blog of mine, but i felt i should share it on my personal as well.

okay, i actually genuinely don’t wanna shut up about the significance of miracle because it’s possibly one of the most redeemable qualities of the spn finale. it’s actually really important, even if you don’t like the circumstances surrounding it.

at first i just sort of went off about it in some tags:

#this is the only good thing about that entire finale #it is the one thing i actually loved from a meta perspective in terms of dean's archetype #so i gotta have the puppy snuggles on the blog i'm so sorry #other than that this is largely a finale free blog lmao #i actually have a Lot of feelings about dean being given a dog #and naming the dog miracle #am i gonna end up writing meta about a dog? possibly #in broad strokes: dean has always been the archetype of a soldier #but never once has he been allowed to be a veteran #the dog very much is representative of that #it's very commonplace for veterans to have emotional support animals #dogs in particular #the way miracle launches into dean's arms after dean's just woken up is indicative to me that it's commonplace #likely after nightmares #which means that (for me) dean's PTSD is being subtly addressed #which means when i retcon the disaster of a finale for my portrayal miracle is absolutely staying #spn 15.20

but there’s so much more to it than that.

the thing about the dog, if we’re staying within the context of the canon, is that this is a dean who has lost everything (keep that wording in mind, because we’ll be coming back to it). the war is won, and he's come home, but the cost was high. we also know that dean has canonically suffered from PTSD since the end of s3, though it’s not always been explicitly addressed in the following seasons. regardless, it's an aspect of his character that is widely established and recognized.

much like in s4, and after the purgatory storyline in s8, dean’s PTSD is shown to manifest itself largely through substance abuse, anger management struggles resulting in bouts of extreme violence, and nightmares. it’s a thread throughout the narrative whether it’s consistently addressed or not. more importantly in terms of the dog: dean is never allowed to heal, because the war wages on.

by the series finale, the war is won, but the cost is castiel’s life. what does the dog have to do with castiel, you ask? more than you might first think. i don’t want to get too deep in the paint, so i’m going to focus primarily on 13.01, dean’s grief arc in early s13 in general, and some key aspects of s15.

returning to the concept of being left with a dean who has lost everything, i want to point out a choice of dialogue in 13.01. the following is said during a scene of mourning, after they’ve lost castiel, and dean is left to wrap his body for burial.

dean [voice breaking]: we’ve lost everything. and now you’re gonna bring him back. okay? you’re gonna bring back cas.

this scene is the beginning of a several episode long grief arc where dean is depicted classically as a mourning widower in terms of cinematography (viewed on bended knee from above, distant and distraught after the death scene itself at the end of s12), and is then shown to slip into apathetic suicidal tendencies. his substance abuse reaches such a low that he quite literally drinks himself to death, but death will not take him, despite his wishes. he rages at sam for being able to move on so easily, in 13.03, patience:

dean: and what about cas? sam: what about cas? dean: he manipulated him, he made him promises, said, “paradise on earth” and cas bought it. and you know what that got him? it got him dead! now you might be able to forget about that, but i can’t!

the grief arc firmly establishes castiel as being representative of dean winchester’s hope, and the will to live. this is reinforced throughout s13 – s15, as it is further mirrored in later episodes, such as in act 3 of 15.09, the trap, in which sam is shown alternate futures. in every future where dean has lost castiel, he is shown to have lost his hope, and his will to continue on.

dean: no, sam. it doesn't matter. sam: what are you saying? dean: what i've been trying to say for months. it's time... time to stand down. sam: you want to quit? what's happened to you, dean? ever since— dean: ever since what? we lost pretty much everyone we’ve ever cared about? ever since the mark made cas go crazy? ever since i had to bury him in a ma’lak box? ever since then?

these follow an old tradition within the writing of spn that can be pointed at as early as 5.04, the end (“cas, too?”): castiel is always singled out apart from the rest. castiel, an angel, who saw worth in dean when dean couldn’t see it in himself. an angel who became his best friend, and loved him when dean couldn’t love himself. castiel, who saved him the moment they met, and saved him in death, as seen in 15.18, despair. given everything preceding this, it’s evident that this is not a small loss for dean. when they lose cas, dean loses the will to go on.

in losing cas that final time, cas’ confession — his assertion that dean is full of love, not anger — finally seems to break through. when fighting the main antagonist of s15, he is called “the ultimate killer.” at one time, dean would’ve agreed with this. but after cas’ confession, he denies it, and firmly says, “that's not who i am.” because that’s not who cas fell in love with. point being: castiel’s sacrifice affects dean enormously.

at the end of all things, when dean crosses the threshold from soldier to veteran because the war is won, he has a dog and he names him miracle; which harkens back to a scene when dean indirectly referred to cas as ‘his miracle,’ because truly: who’s been performing miracles in dean’s life over the past 11 seasons? the name holds a heavy weight and bears a large significance in the face of his loss.

by the end of s15, we now have a dean that is allowed to rest, and in resting, he is allowed to begin to heal. and the thing that is representative of this crossing of the threshold from soldier to veteran is giving the veteran an emotional support dog. that dean names miracle. something that is saving him, day by day, even in small ways. it’s just not only important for dean's development and healing after finally making that transition, it’s also the lasting influence castiel still has, even in death. it’s absolutely heartbreaking, especially when one considers how many of dean’s nightmares, stemming from his PTSD, canonically revolve around losing castiel — as is shown in early s8 through the purgatory storyline; therefore it is not incongruous to assume similar nightmares would crop up after the events of 15.18. and we’re shown this.

the dog jumping into bed for cuddles after dean wakes up is just so telling. but the way dean wraps around the dog, clinging? it’s the most telling.

granted, there is every possibility that i am giving the show too much credit (as it’s been shown we, as fans, are wont to do). but the concept of death of the author was quite literally pushed into the narrative of s15, and i personally like to think that no matter what else happened in 15.20, certain things remain significant and have bearing on the story, even if unintentionally so. that’s sort of just always been spn’s way of doing things.

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Transcript of End of the Road Special

Transcript of End of the Road Special.

Please let me know if I made any errors in transcription. Twitter version Family Don’t End with Blood Transcription Winchester Mythology Transcription

Dabb: Ultimately, we came up with something that we're all very proud of Singer: You never know what the audience is going to like so we really tried to say "what would make us happy? Would we be satisfied with where we've taken them?"

The Carry On song was a guideline.

Singer: The myth of what these brothers were throughout 15 years... We didn't shy away from fatalism, but we wanted to be able to have it be kinda uplifting as well.

Dabb: If you're going to do something that feels like a complete arc, you have to kinda go back to the beginning of it (clips of them hunting vamps from s1 & 15.20) When it comes to Sam & Dean- it's all about getting back to, in some ways, these two guys on the road in this car.

Dabb: They've been doing this job for 15 years now. They've fought everyone from demons to vampires to God himself, but at the end of the day, they're still working guys, out there on the road & taking cases. We've tried to never lose sight of that.

Dabb: There are times when we've been wrapped up in our own mythology a little bit. We've always tried to get back to the basics, which are: these two guys, saving people, hunting things.

Eugenie: I think we sort of knew generally what the ending would involve.

Eugenie: We might not have known the mechanics, but we sort of knew there would be a victorious, glorious sacrificial ending bc I think sacrifice is a big theme in the series.

For every great thing you do, a cost must be paid.

Singer: Andrew & I talked about it. We were in agreement pretty quickly... talked to the rest of the writing staff & let them know what we wanted to do and we were open to suggestions. And then we pretty much pitched it to Jared and Jensen.

Jensen talks about flying to LA. Jensen: So before we ever even started 15, we knew how the last portion of the story was going to go. We didn't know how we were going to get there, but we kinda knew the final- the finish line- we knew what... what that was going to look like.

Jared: I don't think there's ever been a season of SPN in 15 years where the way the writers thought the show would play out for that season- ended up being the way it played out And so we were aware of that. They told us here's what we're thinking, here's what happens to Castiel

Jared: In the finale, Dean dies & Sam lives on. And then we think they're going to meet up in heaven.

I remember Jensen... just because I know him so well- he seemed to bristle a little bit.

Jensen: It was hard to hear then & it was hard to read now. Not because I didn't like it, not because I wished it had gone differently... I'm not adverse to it. I think it's a great ending. I'm proud to film it.

Singer: And we just aimed for that, you know, throughout the season. We knew where we were going.

Jensen: Reading it & knowing that... there's just a weight that is so much larger reading these scripts than I've ever experienced before.

There's an emotional weight that these scripts are going to carry & these episodes are going to have that I don't think we've ever seen before.

Brad: [J2] were so young when all of this started. They brought to it such conviction & such commitment to the effort.

That's one of the things that kept the show going for so many years... a show that was designed for very young guys, footloose & fancy free, & on the road…

Brad: To see these guys grow up b4 your eyes into- men, not boys any longer- was amazing.

BABY Jared: Though the story does involve Sam & Dean chasing supernatural things, it really is a story about two brothers that love each other & ultimately will do anything for each other.

Jensen: There's really one person that gets it on the level that I get it, and that's Jared. Jared: I've never spent as much time with another human being as I have with Jensen Ackles. He will be my friend and brother forever. And I know that.

BABY Jensen: There's a lot of dynamics between the two brothers, there's a lot of history between them, there's a lot of banter between them... it's good stuff S15 Jensen: We had a partner in crime & we leaned on each other for, you know, for times when it was tough.

Jensen: But we also won together. We got to share the experience of success & the experience of getting picked up for another season. Watching these two characters go through what they're going through, when we're working 14 hours & it's 2-3 o’clock on a Sat morning and we're just now finishing filming out in the rain and mud and we gotta race to the airport to get on a plane because we've got a photoshoot in LA & we've gotta do on camera interviews and we gotta promote the show that we love so much that we were just in the mud & the rain filming hours before we're exhausted and it's like there's only one person that gets that right now. That gets how I feel and that's this guy standing next to me. That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool to have somebody like that.

Brad: We knew it was going to be impossible to tie up every aspect of all of the cans of worms that we opened up.

We did want to bring a proper ending to the guys, the guy's relationship.

Brad: Then of course we had this huge corner we painted ourselves into with the most powerful thing in the universe being the big bad of the season. We try and find a proper send off for Jack & for Cas. What to do w/ the boys & is that a together farewell or an individual?

It was just... lots of moving parts.

Dabb: I give a lot of credit to Bobo who really was the one who started banging the drum early & often to ending the mythology in 19 and end the characters in 20.

Brad: You're battling God & battling God & you have this epic situation going on through the first 3/4 of the show & then what? You send off Dean in act 4? That just felt wrong. Eugenie: We had this obligation, it was really mandatory, that we tie up the mythic narrative and leave the final episode for the emotional resolution. I [was] more on the side of not wanting to best God. To have God change to be more like his creations. So there were philosophical arguments, but we always knew God's resolution was going to be a big ticket item.

Jensen: We'd started day 1 of the 2nd to last episode, 19. We were 1 day down on that episode & we were just about to start our 2nd day & we got the call that morning that we were not going to be coming in that day.

Jensen: So we figured ok, we'll figure out protocol, figure out what we need to do, & we'll just regroup, come back on Monday. As that day progressed, it was like- this looks like more of an apocalypse that is ascending upon us than just a bad cold.

They pulled the plug & they said everybody go home.

Singer: Fortunately, we got assurance from both the studio & the network that one way or another we were gonna finish the series. That was comforting to us, but we didn't know when we were going to go back.

Eugenie: We didn't know what we were going back to... if this was the last time we would ever see the set. There was no plan. It was just get out of dodge. Dabb: When it first happened, we thought it would be a couple of weeks, maybe a month.

I had conversations w/WB where they expected everyone to be back shooting in June & then things got worse & pushed & pushed.

Eugenie: Slowly as we settled into that 4 or 5 month period, discussions were going on w/the studio, & the networks, & the actors. We knew there would be restrictions on what we were allowed to shoot, but finally, the mechanics were figured out.

Singer: So they were ready to go pretty quickly, shooting in Van, where covid wasn't quite as virulent as it was [in LA].

Dabb: We were one of the first shows, one of the first WB shows to start back up. So in a way, we were kinda a guinea pig. But, in being that, I think everyone took it really seriously. We had 0 positive tests. Crew members weren't going out on the weekends.

They were like look, if I get sick, it hurts the whole show. That speaks to the family culture up there, where we've had so much of our crew for so long. Where J2 & Singer provide such great leadership.

Singer: When I was in prep for 20, I was basically in the office but couldn't go to the set. It was very odd for me not to be able to go to the set while I was in prep.

Everybody just hung in there & did what they were supposed to do.

Brad: Then we were faced with the dilemma of having to rewrite a lot of the stuff bc of the pandemic bc of the limitations that we knew were going to come on the production.

Jensen: We were gearing up for, not only the end of that season, but the end of the series. There was a lot of big, big things written-packed- into those last two scripts.

Jared: At first, it was supposed to be a lot of our old cast from prior seasons in a Roadhouse with Kansas.

Everybody had already agreed. Kansas was going to be in Van. We were going to have dad there & mom there. Just probably 20 or 30 different actors & actresses who had been a part of the SPN's canon over the last 15 & a half years.

Jensen: It was scheduled to be the last day that we were going to film, so it was almost like rolling right into a nice wrap party on camera.

Brad: The idea of flying a boatload of ppl up there to quarantine for 2 weeks so they could shoot for a day was making less & less sense.

Eugenie: How do we make this work? And while you're doing that, you also don't want to sacrifice the heart and soul of the project.

So we came up with a reduced, much more intimate ending. It has been replaced by something equally magical & rewarding.

Singer: I felt an enormous responsibility in directing the finale of a show that's been on for 15 years. Andrew, when he saw the cut, he said some really nice things to me as to, you know, the way I handled the material.

Jensen: The scenes that were filmed on our last day on the sound stages were filled with the most emotion of the final episode.

Singer: One of the really hard things was we're on another stage that wasn't the MoL stage & they started wrecking the MoL sets

They'd been working on this set and been apart of this- this family for just as long if not longer than the set's been around. I was like "it's really sad seeing this get taken down" and the other guy said, "I'm trying to hold back tears while I'm swinging this hammer."

Jared: As we start saying goodbye to characters, to locations, like it just seems like every day you would wake up and there would be some reason to cry.

Misha: This is a show ultimately about love, & empathy, & caring, & I think that Castiel embodies that.

Misha: Half the crew was crying. It was really such a sweet, supporting environment to be in for the demise of a character that, of course, for me is really important.

But it was so lovely to see that, you know, the folks that I'm- I'm working with were also there for Cas at that moment.

Alex: To get to work with these caliber people & see your friends every day is really special & is not something that often happens in this business for this long. It's been definitely a topsy turvy last couple weeks here with us and the crew.

Jared: Friday of the final full week was the big scene in the barn with the vampires where Dean suffers his fate. They did the first two days with the entire stunt team & the young boy actors.

And then they cut it for Thursday night and they're like, okay, Friday, tomorrow, we’re starting the dialogue. Dean, you're on the post. Sam, you just cut off the last vampire's head.

That was the scene- that was where Supernatural was really encapsulated.

Jensen: And then the next week we kind of had this- on the road encore get together filmmaking scenario that felt more like we made it & it was more pats on the back as opposed to tearful goodbyes.

Dabb: In a weird way you can look at the 15 seasons is like Sam & Dean's emotional evolution. You know instead of therapy, they kill vampires, but other than that it's kind of the same & brings them both to a very good place. And a place where they can, as the song says, you know, lay their weary head to rest.

This felt like the most honest & emotionally fulfilling episode for these characters to us. Jared: I got thinking about how Supernatural started & how the majority of times how I thought it should end. It started with Sam & Dean Winchester. I think it's proper that it ended with Sam & Dean Winchester together again.

Jensen: When the cameras stop rolling & Bob yelled, “Cut!” and Bob yelled, “That’s a series wrap on Supernatural.” There was- a there was a loud cheer that echoed through that canyon we were filming in. I will- I will happily say that there were hugs that happened and that needed to happen. Those are people that I spent not just years with, but so much time with- it's like brothers in arms and so to put it to bed the way that we did felt really good and then felt good to hug some people, I'll tell you that much. Singer: I thanked everyone, but I wanted to really thank people who had been with us from the beginning and as I looked around, there were so many people who had been there from the beginning.

We really were a family. I always say about this show is one of the reasons that it was a success and is that it was not only about the Winchester family, but it was about the Supernatural family.

Jared: So now that's all said and done, I guess I can look back at it and just be proud that I helped this show carry on and I'm really proud of the blood, sweat, and tears that I put in, and I feel like- I feel like that sacrifice was also maybe one of the things I learned from Sam, you know? Sam had to sacrifice a lot. So, I'm honored and flattered and grateful that I got to be a part of that journey.

Dabb: You're never going to have another show like this. You're never gonna have another experience like this. For a lot of different reasons, from how long it ran, from the family that the show became, from the amazing fans that we have. [Footage of us] From the emotional investment people can put in over 15 years of their lives.

Some started watching this when they were in high school, when they were 15, they're 30 now, they might have kids. That's their- that's like half their life. They've been with this show. You're not gonna have that again. Shows just aren’t gonna run this long, especially genre shows, but I don't know that I'm ever gonna do anything else in my career that I'm gonna be more proud of than having been involved in this show.

Jared: The things that stick out are just how important it is to keep putting one foot in front of the other. And keep on working and wake up every day and treat it like it could be your last and- and if you make it out the other side, you'll be happy and proud of what you did.

Jensen: The crew had packed up, they had cleared the bridge, and they were all starting to, you know, load their trucks and get moving. And Jared and I just kind of hung back, and we just took a moment. I looked at him and I said, “I’m proud of us, man. I'm proud of what we've done.”

We know that that's the collective we, that is everyone that is involved, that is- you know from the top down. You know, for our portion, for what we contributed to this monster of the show, he and I reflected on that, and still able to see and smell the roses.

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