#lesbians like cis women and trans women

[thisismisogynoir]

I love it when women hate men. I love it when women are allowed to vent to each other about how horrible and creepy men are. I love it when women form friendships with and prioritize each other over relationships with men(whether they're attracted to them or not). I love it when women put men dni in their bios and on their nude photos and on posts on their blogs. I love it when women refuse to mollycoddle and accommodate entitled male feelings with "but this doesn't mean I hate all men, I know a few men who are great, I love my father/sons/brothers/uncles/male cousins/guy friends" I love it when women complain about men WITHOUT "not all men" being a disclaimer. I love it when women avoid socializing with/refuse to be around/befriend/get close to men because they know men can't be trusted. I love it when women make "kill all men" jokes. I love it when women offer absolutely no concern or care for men's feelings and if their misandry offends men whatsoever because why should we, men are the oppressor class who have raped and killed and abused us and kept us as subjugated as second-class citizens for millennia, they regularly mistreat us and the women in their own marginalized communities still every single day and make this world so much harder and more awful for us to be in, and if we choose to hate them and not spare them any sympathy then so be it, and I don't just mean "men as a class" either, you can be a woman who doesn't want to have anything to do with any man on an individual basis and completely cuts off men from her personal life too and ykw I will love and fucking support you in that because men deserve absolutely NOTHING from us. If they're so tough and strong then they can handle it just like they can handle being lonely. If you are a woman who hates men, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE A LESBIAN AND/OR A TRANS WOMAN, then just know that I love you. I love you, I support you, and you are safe here.

#was going to make a post about how much i hate that women aren't allowed to hate their oppressors but i decided to spin it into something #positive instead #this is supposed to be the feminist site that makes reddit mgtow piss their baby diapers so let's go back to despising men and not coddling #their feelings and let's dye our hair blue while we're at it #i am so tired of this new wave of guilt-tripping and gaslighting women who hate men and don't trust or want to be around them #i hate how we're made into villainesses or the problematic ones for not valuing them in our lives or for wanting to guard ourselves or be #safe from our oppressors #and i'm tired of people who don't know the first thing about feminism being like 'BUT THAT'S TERF RHETORIC WHAT ABOUT X MINORITY MEN' #guess what women can also be x minority that you're trying to protect the men of and we get to hate men too #trans women are included when i say women btw and trans men are included when i say men #if anyone has the right to hate men more than anybody else it's trans women esp trans lesbians because they put up with so much shit #from men that even cis women do not and they especially know how vile men are behind closed doors #so #terfs fuck off #radfems fuck off #and if anybody tries to make this post more appeasing to men or 'not all men's this post you are getting blocked and hit with a hammer #feminism #misogyny #sexism #patriarchy #tw men #tw rape #tw abuse #misandry #terfs dni #radfems dni #feminists need to go back to being scary and unpalatable for men none of this 'but some of them are good!' bullshit #men are entitled to nothing from us #and if you try to prove me wrong then you are just proving my point if you have nothing good to say then simply keep scrolling #ok? ok.

[coolcaribiner]

lesbians who are terfs will never make any sense to me crying about the supposed exclusivity of the “female experience” like my brother in christ she experienced an othered, lonely, confusing childhood where she was made to feel inadequate in her gender, sexuality, or both just the same as you and instead of letting this unify you against patriarchy you just enforce it on other people to maintain the sliver of “power” you think you have. how do u not see how dumb this is oh my god

#like trans women are hurt by the patriarchy they don’t benefit from it you fucking coconuts bc even if they were ‘men’ (they’re not) #they’d be men who cannot live up to the standards set by patriarchy!!!! this is feminism 101 yet some people run their mouths like it’s 1912 #like dude. she’s doing gender and sexuality in a way cishet society hates just like u are. please be fucking smart and realize attacking her #only hurts YOU and loses YOU the same bodily autonomy u wanna deny her for the sake of “’saving ur lesbian brethren’ or what the fuck ever #you’re hurting cis women trans women intersex people EVERYONE because you’re so obsessed w feeling special for being perceived as a woman #and then being harmed for it that you can’t even see that the women you hate so much experience the EXACT SAME SHIT. use ur brain!!!!!! #anyways sorry read some takes from some lesbians in LC and got way too heated. god bless u trans dykes i love u trans dykes #idk what to tag this so. ya #posts

[ot3]

this flavor of trans guy misogyny where they do rhetorical backflips to explain why them not caring about women is good, actually, and since cis men are also misogynists a lot of the time we should all just stop complaining about it.

#'no one bats an eye when-' #actually yes plenty of women but particularly black women and lesbians have a lot to say about the specific brand of misogyny #that you get from cis gay men. only no one listens to women who talk about misogyny. is the thing. s o. #IM LITERALLY NOT EVEN SAYING PEOPLE NEED TO PUT FEMALE CHARACTERS IN SHIT #IM JUST SAYING IF THEYRE GONNA BE THERE IT SUCKS WHEN THEY'RE ONLY THERE TO BE PLOT MOTIVATORS FOR MEN!!!! NO ONE GIVES A SHIT WHAT YOU DO! #like if you're a trans guy and you have a complicated relationship to womanhood and don't want to spend a bunch of time #in the headspace of female characters. i get that. i can understand that. i can sympathize. #but if ur response to seeing someone complain about misogyny is 'why should i have to care about female characters' then ur just an asshole #theres a time and a place to talk about the Unique and Woke Way That You Personally Dislike Women and it's not on my fucking posts!!!!

[sciderman]

Sometimes i remember a comics moment i randomly came across somewhere, where Sam Wilson mentiones a musical and Steve Rodgers says he doesn't like musicals, to whitch Sam goes "Guess that means you really are straight" and even tho i don't care about Cap America or the Avengers, the moment stuck in me for that quote by Sam. And like....Sci, any ideas if straight men actually don't like musicals or is that bullshit?

actually i think i know more gay men who hate musicals than i know straight men who hate musicals. i've had a drag queen stop me point blank when i was about to sing a barbra streisand song, and i know so many gays who pointedly hate abba. so based on my experience i think the inverse is true. most of the straight men i know are kind of impartial about musicals, but gay men? hate.

my theory is that a lot of gay men don't want to fall into stereotypes, maybe. but thaaaaat's just a theory! a gay theory.

#sci speaks #i'm trying to understand the gays. they are a mystery to me. #i've seen a lot more toxic masculinity coming from gay men than i have from straight men. #i think it makes sense. they have less women in their lives. so they reckon with a lot more masculinity. more dick measuring. #also gay men have some of THE most unhealthy romantic relationships i've ever seen in my life. #this isn't a blanket statement on everyone but just from what i've seen. it's such a strange pattern i've observed. #lesbians? healthy. straights? usually healthy. gay men? universally a tire fire that makes me say “if you hate each other so much ??” #“why are you together??????????” #i have never met a cis gay mlm couple in real life that was healthy. every single one of them made my eyes widen in horror. #i want them to be healthy. please treat each other better. #the number of bitchy bitchy fights i've seen between mlm couples in public that make me so terrified #but i know mlm relationships in general are usually less... affectionate than wlw relationships. even and especially friendships. #just an observation. #i hate to say that there is a definite difference between amab vs afab experiences when it comes to relationship dynamics but. #of course there is. there is. as much as i want to say gender and sex do not matter. it really does. #it makes a difference. it does. #which is kind of why i'm glad i was born in the body i was. when people say “trans means you feel you were born in the wrong body” #im like.. i don't think that's true. i don't think that's true for me. #i wouldn't be me if i wasn't born the way i was. and i want to be me. but i'm a boy. i'm a boy but in the body that i have. #my body is still a boy's body. because i live in here. #sorry this went off on a tangent. #but yeah i know my brain would be different if i was amab. and i don't want all those other issues. #i think the only reason i'm so peaceful and serene is because i'm afab. and afabulous. #i see cis guys and im like.. yeah i don't want what you got. #once again! lucky to be me! i'm lucky. im lucky i have a vargooba. thank fuck for that! #couldve been so much worse off. could've been born with a dick and would be fighting for my life right now.

[princessefemmelesbian]

Well would you look at this. 😵‍💫 Because obviously if you dare say anything as wild and controversial as “lesbians don’t like men, please stop using a label that hurts us and tries to force men into our identity” you’re a raging terf radfem transmisogynist. Because obviously ONLY trans women use the bi lesbian label and it’s not like there are transfem lesbians who are rightfully against the label as well or anything and it’s not like terfs use the label to refer to cis lesbians who date trans women and why can’t you just let people identify as how they want of course lesbians like men stop the infighting already if you disagree with me that lesbians can like men then surely that’s because you’re an exclusionist gatekeeper who hates trans women.

#lesbian #anti-bi lesbian #trans women #lesbophobia #the raging hatred for lesbians on this site is getting to an all-time high tall will stop at NOTHING to gaslight us and make us out to be #hateful terf bitches for our sexuality #how many times are we going to do this same old song and dance #no i will not calm down i will be taken seriously #you CANNOT be a bi women as a lesbian idfc if you’re trans or cis #lesbians do not like men and bi women shouldn’t have to ‘oick a side’ by calling themselves lesbians #it’s absurd maddening and sad how little y’all respect us #and trans women always have a place in the lesbian community that doesn’t mean that ACTUAL MEN DO #shit #trying to frame this as ‘well you must be a terf if you are against bi lesbians’ is a shitty move and you’re not being original or clever #go fuck yourself #trans lesbians exist and are valid and the bi lesbian label hurts them just like it hurts cis lesbians if anything it hurts them more so #and i will block ANYONE who supports bi lesbians it doesn’t matter if they’re a trans woman a cis woman a trans man non-binary etc idfc #stop trying to frame this as exclusionary radfem rhetoric #bi lesbian as a term DOES support corrective rape idgas what lesbophobes like you want to say about it #that’s all goodbye #sorry but this got me mad you do not get to use transmisogyny as a clutch to spout blatant ass lesbophobia #i’m so tired of this shit #blocklist #op

[foe-of-fate]

If I find one more ‘lesbian’ on a dating app who is into trans men, I am going to lose it

#I know some people are going to disagree with this but it feels so disrespectful #I hate worrying that women I get into relationships with only see me as a butch lesbian and not a man #what’s going to happen when they get with someone who starts T? #I don’t care if you identify as bi or pan or Omni and say that you’re 99% attracted to women #but lesbian implies that you’re only into women #the lesbians I’ve been seeing on dating apps don’t even say that they’re also into nonbinary people #JUST women and trans men #and like… gahhh why??? #trans men are men. if you are a woman and you like trans men then you like men. #you might ONLY like trans men and not cis men #but you STILL like men #lesbian #bisexual #trans #transmasc #trans man #lgbtq #gay #gay rants

[shojoboy]

Being Bisexual is sooo cool we can be any gender and be attracted to any gender any amount, we lovvvvve women and nonbinary people and men and even if we only ever date or fuck one of those we are still Bisexual. We aren't "half straight, half gay", because that's not how sexuality works. Sometimes it feels like we don't have our own community but tbh that's because, the Gay community? We in there. The Lesbian community? We in there. Trans community??? We in there!!!!!!!!!!!! Yippee!!!!!

#bisexual #happy pride month i figured i get to make at least one bi post #as a bi person i still feel very shunted to the side sometimes lol #like it still feels...esp for women (because patriarchy world) that sayong your bi means you're saying that you like Men the most lol #altho on the reverse i think plenty of bi men r also treated like staright dudes ''trying to be cool'' which has it;s own origins #and also like. if ur lesbian or gay that comes with a Community and a history and everything and being Bi is like. oh you're there too lol? #even tho Bi people have ALWAYS been in both the Gay and Lesbian communities! it's just more obvious nowadays because in the past... #being openly ANYTHING was hard and obviously it was easier for cis bisexuals to like. pretend to be straight. or if they couldnt... #they could pretend to be gay or lesbian! like we had to be somewhere #and not everybody has the strength and fortitude to b openly Bi when both straights and queers will give you shit for it #anyway. #everything Gay or Lesbian is also Bi you are not missing out by being Bisexual. you can call yourself butch and femme you #can be a bear or a twink you can worship femininity worship masculinity do drag go to lesbian bars ETC #and to the youngsters who feel like they have to call themselves Pansexual because they r nonbinary or date trans people: you do not #Bi people are ALSO in the trans community! WE'RE EVERYWHERE #BI WORLD NO ESCAPE #YIPPEEEE!!!!!!!!!!! #-_- #pol

[horseshoemybeloved]

Girl horseshoe,,,,, oooughhffhghfhfhfhfhfh

#and yes they’re all keeping the body hair #my god given right to draw hairy women #and sandman #seeing this is like a gender swap thing I’m having horseshoe and benzie be cis girls #Donnie is a trans girl #and then seeing that sandman’s transfemme gay guy #I figured the opposite would be transmasc lesbian #americas suitehearts #dr benzedrine #horseshoe #sandman #Donnie #also idk why but I feel like benzie would me butch #like an old 1920s-1950s butch ig #like those photos of the lesbians in the lipstick and the suit

[hotsugarbyglassanimals]

I think I realized what bothers me about the way people talk about the issue of transphobia (and transmisogyny) in lesbian spaces… it’s the suggestion that there’s something inherent to lesbianism that makes someone more likely to be transphobic, similar in the immediate assumption that bisexuality makes someone less likely to be transphobic. And that really colors the interactions people have with lesbians on this site, not realizing that the potential for transphobia is just inherent for cis demographics and transmisogyny for tme people

#im too tired to say more but people even look at cis lesbians who are just chilling and know nothing about r*dfems #and immediately think ‘she’s going to be transphobic’ #whereas people are more willing to hope a cishet woman is going to be one of those nice ones that welcome trans women into sisterhood #like come on…

[lord-radish]

imagine thinking that trans men are inherently bad or evil or predatory on the basis of gendered privilege and societal power structures. cringe

#transmasc discourse #like the idea that trans men gain male privilege and kick down the ladder to beat on the queer community is astonishingly stupid at best #the idea that transphobia or queerphobia as a whole doesn't affect them because they're Assimilating With The Oppressors is like #man fucking what is up with people yknow #gender essentialism is fucked up and it's the same force that's beaten down on bi ace and transfem people #the fact that this has turned into 'trans rights but only for the women' by some dumb-fuck shitstains is awful #no. trans rights for all. #like let me explain what I mean here: trans men aren't seen as men by transphobes #it's not 'oh you're a fella? crack a cold beer and let's bash some gays'. passing as a man has just as much risk to it as passing as a woman #because a man who will attack a trans woman as someone who is not a woman will most likely attack a trans man he does not see as a man #with the same violence he might level against a cis woman #that's just on the masc side. i can't speak for any violence against trans men by cis women but I can see how cis women discredit trans men #by claiming them as Lost Lesbians and Sisters In Arms who've been lost due to the Trans Agenda #like people shit on bi people because they have 'passing privilege'. but we know that bi people face homophobia #and other issues about their orientation. the idea that trans men get their Boys Will Be Boys card is to focus on a tiny selection #that *potentially* has the power to he a shithead - like a queerphobic asexual person or a malicious bi person #and paint an entire group of diverse people as literally the worst interpretation you can imagine about them #like consider that you have your own issues and/or biases in regards to people you like and want to hang out with #and stop calling entire groups of people invaders and oppressors whose entire goal is to upend the community #and turn the power of queer people against them #i understand how it feels to feel powerless and to have somewhere where you feel supported and safe #but if you're going to see pain and hate in every group who shares your experience but gives you an ick for whatever reason #there's a solid chance that the Righteous Crusade against them is - in fact - your own personal dislike wielding a modicum of power #that essentially functions the same way that hetero- and cis-normative standards and people have rejected you. #it is essentially you becoming the bully. and just like bi and ace and transfem people before I won't stand for it #trans men are my people.

[gynecologistmsfrizzle]

older butch lesbians, living happily as butch women, who say “if I were a kid now I would have been a trans man instead of a lesbian” are a whole lot closer to being trans— not ‘potentially’ trans, not ‘might have been’ trans, but really, actually, literally, trans, in their present lived experience, she/her and all— than they are to being transphobic. but I don’t think any of you are really ready for that conversation.

#I saw a video on YouTube where this older butch was chatting with a transmasc guy #and she said ‘you know if I were young now I probably would have transitioned’ #and he said ‘why if you were young? it’s not too late’ #and she chuckled and said ‘oh maybe I dunno’ sort of brushed it off #and i was sort of like. well it made me kind of sad. #i think in everyone’s rush to denounce transmisogyny we have completely lost sight #of the fact that the lesbian community’s trans elders include an awful lot of ‘cis’ butch women. #it’s like. it’s just fucking weird being a ‘cis’ butch with Quite Significant Dysphoria #who went on t for a while and presents very masculine and is planning on top surgery #and looking at these super feminine trans guys on tiktok who are read as cis women by everyone who sees them #who don’t want medical transition #and to think that I know much much more about what it is like to be transsexual— #and in some ways about what it is like to be transgender— than they do #and that DESPITE that there is no room for me in trans spaces unless I go back to using they them pronouns #I dunno. It’s just really lonely. I was talking to a transfem friend of mine about this the other day #& she mentioned something about political versus internal concepts of gender that really vibed with me #I can’t summarize it here but. Yeah. Anyways. Lonely. #rhi talks

[redheadbigshoes]

Very ironic how a lot of allo cishets at least recognize lesbians are not attracted to men while some queers think adding men to lesbianism is progressive.

#stephanie talks #lgbt #lgbtqia #lesbian #great reminder that when I’m talking about men I’m talking about trans and cis men #I feel like I always have to say this because people love to assume lesbians are talking about trans women #and tbh I’m not responsible for your assumptions that just shows maybe you’re the one being transphobic

[classicjdiesandgoestohell]

its interesting when ppl start discussing the experience u have had your entire life and calling it transphobic and stuff 👆 like damn ive been telling people this for years and now im rethinking everything

#the thing in question is saying you like everyone but cis men #ive been sayin this for many years. i just dont. or maybe i do but its such an intangible thing id never date one idk #but i saw someone discussing how excluding cis men others trans women (dont remember exact) phrasing and idk #i kinda saw their point #i still feel like i like everyone but cis men tho #i have had crushes on n dated cis girls transmascs n transfems #i dated a cis guy once but it was very.. if u know me u know i have obsessions with people and those can happen regardless of gender #it seemed to be one of those #before and after that cis men haven't even been in the question of attraction #maybe the fact i have one exception proves i actually do like them or something i dunno #ive also had the dilemma plenty where i want to just call myself lesbian but that sucks 2 any trans men i like so. i go back n forth on that #but i like to have some sort of warning sign on me that says If You Are A Cis Man Do Not Even Try To Date Me #bc cis men liking me irl makes me GAG dude i fucking cant handle it at all #the cis guy i dated was online so like. i could avoid the gag factor i think #but idk #that experience made me realize i could never ever date a cis man again which is classic lesbian expetience 77292929 #it is not for me! #lucky strike

[genuflecting]

conflating sexual orientation with genital preference is just so weird to me. I told someone I was gay last night and they asked if I was into dick or pussy, and it completely short circuited my brain as I tried to explain that it's about gender, not genitals. It feels like if instead of asking someone if they liked coffee or tea, asking if they liked opaque or clear hot beverages. Like, I like tea with milk and also without, and I like coffee with cream but also espresso, but not black coffee? And in that same way, if someone is just squicked out by tea with milk that's completely valid for them, but to then extrapolate their own experience outward and define a tea drinker as someone who doesn't like milk is both a logical fallacy and reductive of the human experience. Gender and sex is so much more complex than that and I can't fathom trying to reduce it down to such a false binary.

#this was something I felt even before I realized I was trans #there's no difference in my attraction to cis or trans men #and it's weird cause it was at a queer party but several comments throughout the night were people equating gender and genitals #like a lesbian saying she was put off by seeing dicks in a movie #and inside I was like “well were they straight male dicks? lesbian dicks? gay dicks?” #as a gay man I am attracted to the latter by association #and when it's either of the former it puts me off because that's not who I'm into! #but to see it as this separate thing feels weirdly dehumanizing #again: genital preference is a valid thing for people to experience #but to equate that to gender preference just feels like a completely unfounded comparison #my sex is so much more complex than that and I can guarantee someone interested in women would not find what they are looking for in me #I used to think sex was a much more solid thing #but learning more about biology and then transitioning have taught me that it is a highly mutable and complex phenomenon #this is sort of a vent about feeling somewhat dysphoric from people's comments but moreso than that just genuine bafflement #t

[gayvampyr]

men on this site are so pathetic to dedicate entire blogs and chunks of their time to shitting on queer women and our media

#saw a dudes blog (trans guy btw so this isn’t a cis men-only problem) who claimed to have been harassed by other lgbt people for ‘not being #a lesbian’ as if lesbians have privilege over him #and his bio said ‘im just here for the she-ra slander’ and like. what a fucking loser #to be so threatened and angry at the existence of sapphics and queer women that you proudly announce that you hate our media #and that you consistently dedicate time out of your day to doing so #fucking annoying #anyway im sick of men #non-sapphics are getting on my damn nerves